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gradles21
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unlawful 16th amendment

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Some of you may find this interesting. This interview is with the guy that wrote the book "The law that never was." Basically he lays out his argument for why the 16th amendment was never ratified and that the IRS has no constitutional authority to tax the income of the American people. A couple interesting things that he says is that before Secretary of State Philander Knox declared that the 16th amendment to be "in effect" in 1913, J. Reuben Clark warned him that it was not the will of the states and had not been properly ratified. He also talks about how he was bribed by Orin Hatch not to publish his book. Just anther reason why i'm glad Orin Hatch isn't running for senate again. Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_6XfidxE8

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I cannot remember who said what and when, but I do remember one of the Church General Authorities stating that we (members of the Church) should obey the and pay the taxes. Some people did not pay income taxes and got away with scott free, while others we convicted and jailed,

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I never knew that the Secretary of State had the authority to declare any amendment to the Constitution to be legally binding upon the citizens of the United States.

Below please find a list of their duties found at the link at the end of this post. You'll note that almost every line refers to things "foreign" or "international," which makes sense. I highlighted one item that might apply to the announcement of the 16th amendment. As there seems to be no precedent for it though, I'd say it's a stretch.

Duties of the Secretary of State

January 20, 2017

Under the Constitution, the President of the United States determines U.S. foreign policy. The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President’s chief foreign affairs adviser. The Secretary carries out the President’s foreign policies through the State Department and the Foreign Service of the United States.

Created in 1789 by the Congress as the successor to the Department of Foreign Affairs, the Department of State is the senior executive Department of the U.S. Government. The Secretary of State’s duties relating to foreign affairs have not changed significantly since then, but they have become far more complex as international commitments multiplied. These duties -- the activities and responsibilities of the State Department -- include the following:

Serves as the President's principal adviser on U.S. foreign policy;
Conducts negotiations relating to U.S. foreign affairs;
Grants and issues passports to American citizens and exequaturs to foreign consuls in the United States;
Advises the President on the appointment of U.S. ambassadors, ministers, consuls, and other diplomatic representatives;
Advises the President regarding the acceptance, recall, and dismissal of the representatives of foreign governments;
Personally participates in or directs U.S. representatives to international conferences, organizations, and agencies;
Negotiates, interprets, and terminates treaties and agreements;
Ensures the protection of the U.S. Government to American citizens, property, and interests in foreign countries;
Supervises the administration of U.S. immigration laws abroad;
Provides information to American citizens regarding the political, economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian conditions in foreign countries;
Informs the Congress and American citizens on the conduct of U.S. foreign relations;
Promotes beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries;
Administers the Department of State;
Supervises the Foreign Service of the United States.

In addition, the Secretary of State retains domestic responsibilities that Congress entrusted to the State Department in 1789. These include the custody of the Great Seal of the United States, the preparation of certain presidential proclamations, the publication of treaties and international acts as well as the official record of the foreign relations of the United States, and the custody of certain original treaties and international agreements. The Secretary also serves as the channel of communication between the Federal Government and the States on the extradition of fugitives to or from foreign countries.

https://www.state.gov/secretary/115194.htm

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