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There's a thread on this forum dedicated to the abject worship of all things Alex Jones regardless of how much his words contradict reality. So how many heads exploded from Pieczenik's comments on Info Wars? Who are you going to believe, an ex-CIA guy or Jones, whose mouth frequently gets himself in trouble and who must pay for his lies and slander?

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Dr. Steve Pieczenik went on an expletive-filled 20 minute rant yesterday on Infowars – blasting everyone from Trump to McMaster to ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis over the decision to send more troops into Afghanistan.

No need to flash Dr. Pie’s full list of credentials again – for the unaware, he’s an expert in all types of warfare and counterintelligence, ran PsyOps for the CIA, and served under 5 previous administrations. Tom Clancy based the “Jack Ryan” character on Dr. Pieczenik, and if we are to believe him - he speaks for a splinter element of 'white hat' intelligence officials who worked with Julian Assange to expose Hillary Clinton and her operation. That said, he's still former (?) CIA who seems to be able to say whatever is on his mind, so perhaps take this with a guarded grain of salt.

While Alex Jones currently supports President Trump’s troop surge in Afghanistan, Dr. Pie let loose in a fire-spitting rage over what he considers a massive lie to the American public.

“We’re gonna have a bloodbath that we’ve never seen before.This is not about terrorism, that’s @#!!$#!%. This is not about 9/11, that’s @#!!$#!%.” –Dr. Pie
Highlights from the interview (video below):

Lies, Cowardice and Disaster

“Not only has the president lied to the American public, but more importantly the generals Mattis, McMaster, the people we helped to put in have lied to themselves and to the American public. These are generals who know better…”

Trump again repeats that we were attacked on 9/11. This is always about 9/11.I told you from day one, when I came on this show it was about guys like me and others who said; these generals are cowards. They’re moral intellectual cowards. I’ve known that about McMaster because we paid him. I knew that about Mattis.

This is a disaster. There is no strategy. McMaster is an idiot.

It’s @#!!$#!%. The real ISIS was created by the CIA. The real Al Qaeda was created by the CIA. We don’t have a war on terror. This is 16 years of insurgency in a place that’s not even a country/ McMaster knows that, Mattis knows that, I’ve been in Afghanistan.

Trump is now on notice that we will work against him.

How did the convince Trump to go along with the plan?

Alex Jones: How did they get [Trump] to do this when he’s very pig headed and always does what he thinks is best?

Dr. Pie: Because you gotta remember, when his father wanted to get rid of him and put him into disciplinary action, he was sent to a military academy. He then refused to fight in Vietnam. So he basically looks to generals as if they’re mentors and fathers. These generals are what I call idiot savants. They know what they read but they don’t know how to create a war and win a war.

Does Trump deserve ANY credit?

Alex Jones: Does Trump not get any credit though that he controlled them so far, and didn’t let them expand the war in Syria?

Dr. Pie: No, he gets no credit whatsoever. This is not a question of a grade. This is a question of what we call the ‘existential moment.’ You want to go to war, it takes 6 seconds to go to war. You want to get out of war, it’s taken us 17 years to find out what the hell we’re doing there. We don’t belong there. Men are dying there every day – we have no strategy, and putting more men into this place is not principaled rationality.

Follow the money…

Alex Jones: Why are they doing it?

Dr. Pie: There’s six trillion dollars in that war, and whose going to make money: KBR. Who makes money in Africa, KBR. What are we doing in Djibouti, the same thing. I’ve got soldiers who come back and say what the hell was I doing in Africa? Why was I in Djibouti, Sudan, Somalia? The soldiers have no idea what they’re doing.

Trump has no understanding what war is about. He has no understanding what it is to begin a war, and to complete a war. Neither do these generals. None of these generals were involved in finishing a war. They’re not like Eisenhower.

‘I guarantee you we will have another bloodbath.’

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Dr. Pieczenik is amazing here! Everybody needs to listen to this.

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 6:09 am There's a thread on this forum dedicated to the abject worship of all things Alex Jones regardless of how much his words contradict reality. So how many heads exploded from Pieczenik's comments on Info Wars? Who are you going to believe, an ex-CIA guy or Jones, whose mouth frequently gets himself in trouble and who must pay for his lies and slander? . . . .
So who has given Pieczenik a forum for the last 15 or so years?? Alex Jones. And Jones has always called out people whom he thinks are wrong, and frequently speaks out about when and where he sees Trump going off track.

You're problem is that you always seem to come to these subjects through other commentators. I don't see much evidence that you actually listen to Jones much. One of the strengths Jone's has is to invite a wide variety of commentators onto his show to find out what they have to say. You should listen, for instance, to what Pieczenik actually thinks of Jones, and why Jones is valuable.

You're such a black-and-white thinker, Ag. But pointing it out probably just reinforces your self defense in this matter. Does it bother you that you just slandered Jones, something you accuse him of doing? The old projection problem again. And you do the same thing with Trump, incessantly . . . it's like a reflex action with you.

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Isn't it precious how some posters here can take such altruistic poses towards Trump even though the President is already guilty of war crimes? Jones, too, will eagerly point out the Clinton murders and yet ignore Trump's. Precious. Except it leads to sackcloth and ashes.

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Trump is a past, present and future murderer of the innocent. I tend to be fairly black and white about murder. I'm opposed to it. If you defend Trump, or if you defend a defender of Trump, the murderer, what does that make you?

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/f ... fghanistan

Wednesday, 23 August 2017
In Huge Reversal, Trump Announces Expanded, Unlimited War in Afghanistan
Written by Michael Tennant


In Huge Reversal, Trump Announces Expanded, Unlimited War in Afghanistan
After years of decrying America’s 16-year war in Afghanistan as expensive and unwinnable, President Donald Trump announced Monday that he would continue and expand the war.

Speaking at the Fort Myer, Virginia military base, Trump argued that his reversal, while against his “original instinct,” was necessary because of what he has learned “behind the desk in the Oval Office.” Consultations with his “cabinet and generals,” he said, convinced him that the United States could not simply withdraw from Afghanistan.

Trump gave three reasons that, in his opinion, the United States must broaden its Afghanistan operations, all of which, the American Conservative’s Daniel Larison observed, are based on “very familiar and clichéd assumptions.”

“First,” Trump said, “our nation must seek an honorable and enduring outcome worthy of the tremendous sacrifices that have been made.” This, Larison pointed out, “ignore that throwing away more lives on a failed war is far worse than cutting our losses.”

Second, Trump asserted that “a hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum that terrorists … would instantly fill.” Despite Trump’s later claim that “no place is beyond the reach of American might and American arms,” it is impossible for the United States to occupy every last corner of the world to prevent terrorism from cropping up. There will always be places where terrorists can hide, and adventures like the one in Afghanistan tend to breed more terrorism rather than destroy it.

Third, Trump said “the security threats we face in Afghanistan and the broader region are immense,” citing “20 U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations … in Afghanistan and Pakistan — the highest concentration in any region anywhere in the world.” Left unexplored was the possibility that those groups are in that region largely in response to the U.S. presence there.

The president announced an increase in the number of troops in Afghanistan, though he didn’t specify how many. Congressional officials told the Washington Post the number is likely to be about 4,000, a nearly 50-percent increase over current levels.

In fact, although Trump defined victory as “attacking our enemies, obliterating ISIS, crushing al Qaeda, preventing the Taliban from taking over Afghanistan, and stopping mass terror attacks against America before they emerge,” he was pointedly nonspecific about the details of how this expansive victory will be achieved short of permanent war. “We will not talk about numbers of troops or our plans for further military activities,” he said, adding that “conditions on the ground — not arbitrary timetables — will guide our strategy from now on.”

Trump’s about-face, naturally, won him plaudits among neoconservatives. Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Trump had taken “a big step in the right direction.” Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said, “I think there’ll be a lot of bipartisan support in Congress for this proposal.” And former George W. Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen noted that he could have written parts of Trump’s address.

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:08 pm Isn't it precious how some posters here can take such altruistic poses towards Trump even though the President is already guilty of war crimes? Jones, too, will eagerly point out the Clinton murders and yet ignore Trump's. Precious. Except it leads to sackcloth and ashes.
"Altruistic"? Another example of Ag's mislabeling. " already guilty of war crimes"? Another one. It never ends with you.

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larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:51 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:08 pm Isn't it precious how some posters here can take such altruistic poses towards Trump even though the President is already guilty of war crimes? Jones, too, will eagerly point out the Clinton murders and yet ignore Trump's. Precious. Except it leads to sackcloth and ashes.
"Altruistic"? Another example of Ag's mislabeling. " already guilty of war crimes"? Another one. It never ends with you.
It won't end because Trump is a murderer. You've got to ask yourself, larsen, how you fell so far and from such lofty heights as to defend a murderer.

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http://theantimedia.org/trump-afghanist ... tate-plot/

Apparently, Trump is suffering from a belligerent form of Stockholm Syndrome and “The Generals” are his conniving captors. Okay, let’s break that down:

1. Trump never had a “policy” of anti-interventionism. He was simply a troll who tweeted out oppositional statements attacking Obama’s foreign policy. If Obama was doing it … he was against it. He knew that no matter what, it was red meat for his future base. Then he grandstanded on Iraq to torpedo Jeb Bush. And he attacked Hillary’s militarism … because it was expedient. Go back and listen to him speaking at those rallies. The real Donald Trump is the guy who wants to “bomb the $#!%” out of ’em and take their oil and kill their families. The real Trump is the guy who proclaimed in his bizarre inauguration speech that “Radical Islamic Terrorism” was something he wanted to “eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.” And then he purposefully surrounded himself with generals. Sorry, but that wasn’t a Deep State plot by George Soros.

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:11 pm Trump is a past, present and future murderer of the innocent. I tend to be fairly black and white about murder. I'm opposed to it. If you defend Trump, or if you defend a defender of Trump, the murderer, what does that make you? . . .
Trump is conducting what he thinks are justifiable military operations. He has not in the past, the present and the future, set out to "murder the innocent". This is where your black-and-white labeling comes acropper.

You should know that I've never defended these military incursions from Trump. Nor does Pieczenik

The problem with Trump's actions is that he is being misadvised about these military operations; Pieczenik suggests at least partial reasons why he may be susceptible to this kind of bad advice.

Pieczenik is a good analyst . . . . . "what does that make you"??

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http://theantimedia.org/donald-trump-de ... ghanistan/

14 Times Trump Warned Against Doing What He Just Did in Afghanistan
August 22, 2017 at 9:32 am
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(ANTIMEDIA) — On the same day millions of Americans were thrilled to witness — and equally distracted by — a total solar eclipse, Donald Trump decided it was time to announce a “dramatically different” foreign policy plan for the U.S. military in Afghanistan.

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Just how “different” is Trump’s new plan? In reality, the ‘new’ plan is simply more of the same failed policy of the past, one Trump promised to put an end to numerous times over the years prior to moving into the White House. The only difference is the childish language Trump used to justify the decision, repeatedly vowing to “win” the same conflict James Mattis told Congress “we are not winning” back in June.



On Monday, August 21, 2017, Trump revealed to Fox News that he had signed off on sending 4,000 additional troops to Afghanistan in what is officially the longest war in the history of the United States. Early Tuesday morning, NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg praised Trump’s decision to commit more soldiers to fight on the ground in Afghanistan, reminding allies that NATO is fully committed to backing the ‘new’ plan:

“NATO remains fully committed to Afghanistan and I am looking forward to discussing the way ahead with [U.S. Defense] Secretary [James] Mattis and our allies and international partners,” Stoltenberg said in a statement.

America’s favorite war hawk, John McCain, also praised President Trump’s strategy for Afghanistan. He said in a statement that he believes “the President is now moving us well beyond the prior administration’s failed strategy of merely postponing defeat,” also noting that Trump faces the challenge of keeping “the right level of effort, in the right places, with the right authorities and resources to see this conflict through to success.” He continued:

“To do this, the President must conduct himself as a wartime commander-in-chief. He must speak regularly to the American people, and to those waging this war on their behalf, about why we are fighting, why the additional sacrifices are worth it, and how we will success.”

On Fox News, Lindsey Graham said he was “proud” of Donald Trump’s decision:

“President Trump has the smarts and the moral courage to listen to his generals and take their advice rather than go the political way.”

Despite such fawning praise, the president is now contradicting multiple previous statements he made on the quagmire in Afghanistan. Here are 14 times Donald Trump called for the U.S. to withdraw from the war torn country on Twitter and television:

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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Do not allow our very stupid leaders to sign a deal that keeps us in Afghanistan through 2024-with all costs by U.S.A. MAKE AMERICA GREAT!
8:12 AM - Nov 21, 2013
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
We have wasted an enormous amount of blood and treasure in Afghanistan. Their government has zero appreciation. Let's get out!
3:06 PM - Nov 21, 2013
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
We should leave Afghanistan immediately. No more wasted lives. If we have to go back in, we go in hard & quick. Rebuild the US first.
2:10 PM - Mar 1, 2013
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I agree with Pres. Obama on Afghanistan. We should have a speedy withdrawal. Why should we keep wasting our money -- rebuild the U.S.!
3:59 PM - Jan 14, 2013
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Let’s get out of Afghanistan. Our troops are being killed by the Afghanis we train and we waste billions there. Nonsense! Rebuild the USA.
1:55 PM - Jan 11, 2013
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Karzai of Afghanistan is not sticking with our signed agreement. They are dropping us like dopes. Get out now and re-build U.S.!
12:14 PM - Dec 6, 2012
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
84% of US troops wounded & 70% of our brave men & women killed in Afghanistan have all come under Obama. Time to get out of there.
1:40 PM - Sep 11, 2012
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Why are we continuing to train these Afghanis who then shoot our soldiers in the back? Afghanistan is a complete waste. Time to come home!
9:05 AM - Aug 21, 2012
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
#trumpvlog My thoughts on Afghanistan, @RickSantorum, and why I fired two people on this week's #CelebApprentice... http://youtu.be/zPYfdDxt1cI
3:10 PM - Mar 13, 2012
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“Let’s get with it, get out of Afghanistan,” Trump said in the video tweeted above. “We’ve wasted billions and billions of dollars, and more importantly, thousands and thousands of lives — not to mention all of these young men and women that come home and they really have problems.”



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It is time to get out of Afghanistan. We are building roads and schools for people that hate us. It is not in our national interests.
2:34 PM - Feb 27, 2012
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
My @foxandfriends interview discussing violence in Afghanistan, rising oil prices and @MittRomney's leads in AZ (cont) http://tl.gd/g59mso
11:51 AM - Feb 27, 2012
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In the video linked to in the tweet above, Trump asked Fox and Friends:

“What are we doing there? These people hate us. As soon as we leave, it’s all going to blow up anyway. And you say, ‘What are we doing there?’ We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars on this nonsense. … What are we doing? We’re a debtor nation. We can’t build our own schools, yet we build schools in Afghanistan.”

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China is getting minerals from Afghanistan http://usat.ly/t69pc1 We are getting our troops killed by the Afghani govt't. Time to get out.
2:54 PM - Feb 29, 2012
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In December 2011 on CNN, Trump said we should “get out” of Afghanistan, declaring:

“We have to rebuild our country. We’re rebuilding. You know, you go to Afghanistan. There is a school. It gets blown up. We rebuild it. We build a road to the school. They both get blown up. We rebuild. In the meantime, if you want to build a school in Brooklyn or Iowa or California, you can’t build them.”

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When will we stop wasting our money on rebuilding Afghanistan? We must rebuild our country first.
2:43 PM - Oct 7, 2011
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As president, it seems Donald Trump is suddenly viewing the war in Afghanistan differently, and the Internet immediately noticed his ‘new’ plan was just more of the same.



Twitter Is Very Unhappy
Below is a compilation of Twitter users’ reactions to the news and mocking Trump for not providing any details or mentioning a timeline for ending America’s longest war.

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Secular Talk ✔ @KyleKulinski
It's fun watching everybody talk about Afghanistan using terms like 'winning' when nobody even bothers to define what that means.
8:21 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Lee Camp [Redacted] ✔ @LeeCamp
That awkward moment when you become what you campaigned against. Trump just went full warhawk.
9:23 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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igorvolsky ✔ @igorvolsky
Trump's new Afghanistan plan: I won't announce my Afghanistan plan
8:17 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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David M. Perry ✔ @Lollardfish
Trump: My strategy in Afghanistan is to send 4000 troops so you'll stop talking about American Nazis.
8:26 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Beau Willimon ✔ @BeauWillimon
The essence of Trump's speech: an expansion of open-ended conflict in Afghanistan with no clear, measurable timeline or goal.
8:22 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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How you know something's a bad idea 👇 https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/8 ... 7633302528
8:31 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Reinhard Wolff @contentmancy
What's the endgame in #Afghanistan? What are the win conditions?

Does anyone even know at this point?
8:27 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Jim Acosta ✔ @Acosta
Trump on Afghanistan strategy: "we will not talk about numbers of troops." (Don't the American people deserve to know how many we send?)
8:17 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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L.E. Kinzie @lekinzie
#Afghanistan no strategy
No goal
No exit date or strategy
Refusing to say it's 4000 troops

plenty of blame for everyone else.
8:16 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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john doe @nbeck92
What the @#$%! is the point of this speech #Afghanistan
8:25 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Krunal Shah @TweetKrunal
This speech says nothing. Just another excuse for his day-to-day problems. #Afghanistan
8:25 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Patrick deHahn ✔ @patrickdehahn
Confused. I don't hear a new policy or war plan for Afghanistan.
8:24 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Micah Zenko @MicahZenko
Bottom line: Trump has now expanded US military presence and/or airstrikes in EVERY combat theater he inherited from Obama.
8:27 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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Vanessa Rumbles @VanessaRumbles
Trump: "We push onward with victory in our hearts, pride in our souls..."

What in the world? #Afghanistan #TeleprompterTrump
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Pessimistic Princess @CuriousBug
I hope you all can translate this mess tomorrow. I'm not sure what he was trying to say, other than we're staying in #Afghanistan.
8:31 PM - Aug 21, 2017
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The only facts that were clear following President Trump’s speech on Afghanistan was that nobody knows what to do, and America is clearly not winning.

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:57 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:51 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:08 pm Isn't it precious how some posters here can take such altruistic poses towards Trump even though the President is already guilty of war crimes? Jones, too, will eagerly point out the Clinton murders and yet ignore Trump's. Precious. Except it leads to sackcloth and ashes.
"Altruistic"? Another example of Ag's mislabeling. " already guilty of war crimes"? Another one. It never ends with you.
It won't end because Trump is a murderer. You've got to ask yourself, larsen, how you fell so far and from such lofty heights as to defend a murderer.
First you need to ask yourself, how can you ascend to the lofty heights of not being so black-and-white and incredibly emotional in your analysis.

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larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:07 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:11 pm Trump is a past, present and future murderer of the innocent. I tend to be fairly black and white about murder. I'm opposed to it. If you defend Trump, or if you defend a defender of Trump, the murderer, what does that make you? . . .
Trump is conducting what he thinks are justifiable military operations. He has not in the past, the present and the future, set out to "murder the innocent". This is where your black-and-white labeling comes acropper.

You should know that I've never defended these military incursions from Trump. Nor does Pieczenik

The problem with Trump's actions is that he is being misadvised about these military operations; Pieczenik suggests at least partial reasons why he may be susceptible to this kind of bad advice.

Pieczenik is a good analyst . . . . . "what does that make you"??
No, Trump is a liar who said whatever it takes to get elected. (See my post previous to this one.)

Pieczenik is (ex?)-CIA. There's danger in trusting the CIA.

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larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:09 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:57 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:51 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:08 pm Isn't it precious how some posters here can take such altruistic poses towards Trump even though the President is already guilty of war crimes? Jones, too, will eagerly point out the Clinton murders and yet ignore Trump's. Precious. Except it leads to sackcloth and ashes.
"Altruistic"? Another example of Ag's mislabeling. " already guilty of war crimes"? Another one. It never ends with you.
It won't end because Trump is a murderer. You've got to ask yourself, larsen, how you fell so far and from such lofty heights as to defend a murderer.
First you need to ask yourself, how can you ascend to the lofty heights of not being so black-and-white and incredibly emotional in your analysis.
Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.

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So he has given them their war. Lets see if it impacts the media coverage and the tone of the national dialogue about Trump.

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:10 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:07 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:11 pm Trump is a past, present and future murderer of the innocent. I tend to be fairly black and white about murder. I'm opposed to it. If you defend Trump, or if you defend a defender of Trump, the murderer, what does that make you? . . .
Trump is conducting what he thinks are justifiable military operations. He has not in the past, the present and the future, set out to "murder the innocent". This is where your black-and-white labeling comes acropper.

You should know that I've never defended these military incursions from Trump. Nor does Pieczenik

The problem with Trump's actions is that he is being misadvised about these military operations; Pieczenik suggests at least partial reasons why he may be susceptible to this kind of bad advice.

Pieczenik is a good analyst . . . . . "what does that make you"??
No, Trump is a liar who said whatever it takes to get elected. (See my post previous to this one.)

Pieczenik is (ex?)-CIA. There's danger in trusting the CIA.
"Trump is a liar who said whatever it takes to get elected": Another supreme example of black-and-white judgmentality, to which you seems to be irretrievably addicted.

There is danger in trusting any governmental source that makes pronouncements and takes actions that further globalism. And I wouldn't say Peiczenik speaks for the CIA, or currently represents them at all.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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tribrac wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:22 pm So he has given them their war. Lets see if it impacts the media coverage and the tone of the national dialogue about Trump.
Already, certain neocons/globalists and such have come out in support of Trump's new policy. Sen. McCain being one of them.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:13 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:09 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:57 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:51 pm
"Altruistic"? Another example of Ag's mislabeling. " already guilty of war crimes"? Another one. It never ends with you.
It won't end because Trump is a murderer. You've got to ask yourself, larsen, how you fell so far and from such lofty heights as to defend a murderer.
First you need to ask yourself, how can you ascend to the lofty heights of not being so black-and-white and incredibly emotional in your analysis.
Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
I can only judge your emotional state by the incredibly emotional-sounding and charged black-and-white judgements you always make.

You just did it again: "directed towards blind Trump supporters". I'm not aware of any Trump supporters that I know who blindly support him.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
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Silver, some of us support Trump because we couldn't fathom the alternative (how much worse would things be with Hillary?). Some of us support him because if he delivers on just some of what he promised, we will be better off than we were with the previous president. Some of us support him for other reasons, and some of us simply support him because he IS our president, and needs our support and prayers. The fact that YOU don't see these reasons for support does not make us "blind." You do not win support for your arguments by incessantly insulting those with an opposing viewpoint. I have grown so tired of your Trump rants that I rarely touch your threads. Think about how our missionaries are trained to reach people. Do they knock on a door and start yelling and insulting those inside for being idiotic enough to be of another faith????? You are not winning converts. Be succinct (in general) and be polite.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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Crackers wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:43 pm
Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
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Silver, some of us support Trump because we couldn't fathom the alternative (how much worse would things be with Hillary?). Some of us support him because if he delivers on just some of what he promised, we will be better off than we were with the previous president. Some of us support him for other reasons, and some of us simply support him because he IS our president, and needs our support and prayers. The fact that YOU don't see these reasons for support does not make us "blind." You do not win support for your arguments by incessantly insulting those with an opposing viewpoint. I have grown so tired of your Trump rants that I rarely touch your threads. Think about how our missionaries are trained to reach people. Do they knock on a door and start yelling and insulting those inside for being idiotic enough to be of another faith????? You are not winning converts. Be succinct (in general) and be polite.
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I can see how you might think you have an iron-clad argument there, Crackers. However:
1. You are trapped in a false dichotomy by thinking that we had to vote Trump or suffer under Hillary. Simply look at his actions compared to his pre-election rhetoric. He's a liar and now with the power of the presidency behind him, he's a murderer.
2. You can certainly pray for him and Cain and Judas Iscariot. That's the charitable thing to do. I've also prayed for the man. However, he's sending more troops to die in Afghanistan, to offer just one example of his treachery, so I will not support him. Further, I will continue to point out his lying, murderous ways as long as he is president or as long as I can still draw breath.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:32 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:13 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:09 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 12:57 pm

It won't end because Trump is a murderer. You've got to ask yourself, larsen, how you fell so far and from such lofty heights as to defend a murderer.
First you need to ask yourself, how can you ascend to the lofty heights of not being so black-and-white and incredibly emotional in your analysis.
Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
I can only judge your emotional state by the incredibly emotional-sounding and charged black-and-white judgements you always make.

You just did it again: "directed towards blind Trump supporters". I'm not aware of any Trump supporters that I know who blindly support him.
Then let those Trump supporters who can see call him out for his lies and traitorous actions. We're going to send more troops to Afghanistan to die in a military action that is immoral and unconstitutional. Where are the supporters who oppose such action?

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:55 pm
Crackers wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:43 pm
Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
Silver, some of us support Trump because we couldn't fathom the alternative (how much worse would things be with Hillary?). Some of us support him because if he delivers on just some of what he promised, we will be better off than we were with the previous president. Some of us support him for other reasons, and some of us simply support him because he IS our president, and needs our support and prayers. The fact that YOU don't see these reasons for support does not make us "blind." You do not win support for your arguments by incessantly insulting those with an opposing viewpoint. I have grown so tired of your Trump rants that I rarely touch your threads. Think about how our missionaries are trained to reach people. Do they knock on a door and start yelling and insulting those inside for being idiotic enough to be of another faith????? You are not winning converts. Be succinct (in general) and be polite.
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I can see how you might think you have an iron-clad argument there, Crackers. However:
1. You are trapped in a false dichotomy by thinking that we had to vote Trump or suffer under Hillary. Simply look at his actions compared to his pre-election rhetoric. He's a liar and now with the power of the presidency behind him, he's a murderer.
2. You can certainly pray for him and Cain and Judas Iscariot. That's the charitable thing to do. I've also prayed for the man. However, he's sending more troops to die in Afghanistan, to offer just one example of his treachery, so I will not support him. Further, I will continue to point out his lying, murderous ways as long as he is president or as long as I can still draw breath.
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I'm not "trapped" in anything. Just curious, how did you like Obama? Clinton? Bush?...

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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Crackers wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 2:06 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:55 pm
Crackers wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:43 pm
Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
Silver, some of us support Trump because we couldn't fathom the alternative (how much worse would things be with Hillary?). Some of us support him because if he delivers on just some of what he promised, we will be better off than we were with the previous president. Some of us support him for other reasons, and some of us simply support him because he IS our president, and needs our support and prayers. The fact that YOU don't see these reasons for support does not make us "blind." You do not win support for your arguments by incessantly insulting those with an opposing viewpoint. I have grown so tired of your Trump rants that I rarely touch your threads. Think about how our missionaries are trained to reach people. Do they knock on a door and start yelling and insulting those inside for being idiotic enough to be of another faith????? You are not winning converts. Be succinct (in general) and be polite.
I can see how you might think you have an iron-clad argument there, Crackers. However:
1. You are trapped in a false dichotomy by thinking that we had to vote Trump or suffer under Hillary. Simply look at his actions compared to his pre-election rhetoric. He's a liar and now with the power of the presidency behind him, he's a murderer.
2. You can certainly pray for him and Cain and Judas Iscariot. That's the charitable thing to do. I've also prayed for the man. However, he's sending more troops to die in Afghanistan, to offer just one example of his treachery, so I will not support him. Further, I will continue to point out his lying, murderous ways as long as he is president or as long as I can still draw breath.
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I'm not "trapped" in anything. Just curious, how did you like Obama? Clinton? Bush?...
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Crackers,
OK, perhaps there's a better term than "trapped" for the line of thinking that dictates one must vote for Trump if only to prevent Hillary from becoming president. You tell me how you'd label yourself.

I consider Obama, Clinton, Bush and all other presidents since at least Wilson to be pawns of the secret combination that rules over us.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:57 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:32 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:13 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:09 pm
First you need to ask yourself, how can you ascend to the lofty heights of not being so black-and-white and incredibly emotional in your analysis.
Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
I can only judge your emotional state by the incredibly emotional-sounding and charged black-and-white judgements you always make.

You just did it again: "directed towards blind Trump supporters". I'm not aware of any Trump supporters that I know who blindly support him.
Then let those Trump supporters who can see call him out for his lies and traitorous actions. We're going to send more troops to Afghanistan to die in a military action that is immoral and unconstitutional. Where are the supporters who oppose such action?
Steve Pieczenik is one of them . . and there are others. "his lies and traitorous actions" More black-and-white judgementality. It seems to be part of your nature.

I have no hope that you will get any insight into how you operate in this manner and how you alienate probably most of your readers with your ranting style (those who take the time to read your stuff). It's who you are. You have been anti-Trump for well over a year and half I've been reading your diatribes. Something very visceral about it. As if you knew him personally and you imagine he did something awful to you.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 2:27 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:57 pm
larsenb wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:32 pm
Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 1:13 pm

Project much? You have no idea what my emotional state is. 99% of what I do here is a few scathing words directed towards blind Trump supporters followed by a link and article.
I can only judge your emotional state by the incredibly emotional-sounding and charged black-and-white judgements you always make.

You just did it again: "directed towards blind Trump supporters". I'm not aware of any Trump supporters that I know who blindly support him.
Then let those Trump supporters who can see call him out for his lies and traitorous actions. We're going to send more troops to Afghanistan to die in a military action that is immoral and unconstitutional. Where are the supporters who oppose such action?
Steve Pieczenik is one of them . . and there are others. "his lies and traitorous actions" More black-and-white judgementality. It seems to be part of your nature.

I have no hope that you will get any insight into how you operate in this manner. It's who you are. You have been anti-Trump for well over a year and half I've been reading your diatribes. Something very visceral about it. As if you knew him personally and you imagine he did something awful to you.
Yep, larsen, I tend to be very black and white about murder. My bad.

Yawn. You Internet psychiatrists are so boring. Thanks for analyzing me while I recline on your virtual couch.

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Re: Alex Jones vs. Dr. Steve Pieczenik

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Silver wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 2:18 pm . . . .
OK, perhaps there's a better term than "trapped" for the line of thinking that dictates one must vote for Trump if only to prevent Hillary from becoming president. You tell me how you'd label yourself.

I consider Obama, Clinton, Bush and all other presidents since at least Wilson to be pawns of the secret combination that rules over us.
A certain percentage of those who voted for Trump did so because they saw Hillary as totally unacceptable. Many others voted for him for more positive and varied reasons.

But it is true, logically, that those who voted Republican in Presidential elections exclusively in the past, and who did not vote for Republican Trump in the last election, effectively increased the vote percentage garnered by Hillary vs. the percentage accrued by Trump.

Your use of "trapped", once again points to your black-and-white thinking. You seem to be 'trapped' by that thinking mode. Poor guy.

If you ever entertained the idea of becoming an intelligence analyst, I would seriously recommend that you cross that option of your career list.

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