Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby freedomforall » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:27 pm

aspietroll wrote:
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Does anyone else remember some time within the past two years when President Monson talked about missionaries in Germany, and how proselytizing there is illegal?

endnote: Monson mentioned proselytizing being illegal in Germany only in passing while talking about the missionaries. A good constitutionalist leader would had made that the subject of his speech.
Would you kindly provide a reference for the talk mentioned above?
It was shown to me by someone else, I won't find it again. Might not even had been Monson.
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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby lundbaek » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:11 pm

I believe we should study the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and become familiar with their original intent/meaning, and also we should become aware of the meaning and intent of the 17 subsequent amendments, some of which have increased our freedoms and others of which have infringed on our freedoms.

D&C 98:4 tells me that our foremost obligation is to obey the Lord, not laws per se.

Verse 5 gives us the conditional justification to give allegiance to law, but limited to the condition that it not only meet constitutional muster, but that it supports the principles of fundamental rights of all---an important caveat against accepting modern legal interpretations, such as allowing for socialism in the welfare clause of the Constitution.

Verse 6 justifies us befriending the law but only if it is constitutional.  

So, it seems to me that even though these verses do not directly endorse the Constitution itself, the Lord has given us a higher standard in law that any allegiance to law must meet. That higher standard, I am sure, will have to be met when the "elders of Israel" will, as prophesied, restore all of our God-given rights.

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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby freedomforall » Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:29 pm

Is pure air invisible?
Does water flow downhill?
Is Marz in Austria?
Do mice eat cheese?
Do sheep go home wagging their tails behind them?
Are airplanes heavy?
Did our Founding Fathers write the Constitution for the mere pleasure of it, and knowing it was going to go belly up in the future?

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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby lundbaek » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:59 pm

I think now that the Lord knew all along we would fail not be able to overturn the conspiracy and suffer dearly the loss of liberty in this country. Those murderus combination that Moroni warned us about have gotten above us now and a huge conspiracy of power infests all crucial centers of power in our government.

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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby freedomforall » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:05 am

lundbaek wrote:
Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:59 pm
I think now that the Lord knew all along we would fail not be able to overturn the conspiracy and suffer dearly the loss of liberty in this country. Those murderus combination that Moroni warned us about have gotten above us now and a huge conspiracy of power infests all crucial centers of power in our government.
Here is an example of a man in a thoughtless stupor thinking he knows everything, and is oblivious to the fact that flying a flag upside down is proper in a time of distress.
There are too many people in America that don't, or won't accept truth as Gavin Seim shows here. Listen to this uninformed ex-military that has no clue of what he was supposed to defend, and totally oblivious to the growth of tyranny in our Government.


176. Respect for flag
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.



Another example is Michael Badnarik in his Constitution class.

Start at the 2:07 mark and thru to the 3:15 mark


I happen to concur with Gavin and Michael, flying the flag upside down "is legal!"

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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby freedomforall » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:42 pm

The day America Voted to Kill the Police! Gavin talks about freedom, liberty and independence being taken away.


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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby freedomforall » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:23 pm

Is it okay for a Judge to say "this is my courtroom", is in contempt of court themselves according to the Constitution...all the while being paid their salary by the public?

This is a typical example of tyranny that is taking place all across the nation. Is it any wonder our church leaders have been adamant in telling the members to learn and abide by the Constitution as meant by our Founder's, and not local Gadiantons wearing black robes?


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Re: Should Members of the Church Study and Abide by the US Constitution?

Postby freedomforall » Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:12 pm


Josh was released after only two days due to patriots calling out freedom. liberty and the Constitution.



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