George Wythe College

[WYp8riot]

I would imagine most here are familiar with George Wythe College. I see little discussion about it here. It seems a great venue to share principles oif freedom and the wisdom of the constitution.

What are your thoughts? In the video section I posted a video titled Greatness. I enjoyed it. Marketing has come of age and via You Tube and Google Video I think we can all promote truth and principles of freedom more.

I did a search and there were only a couple videos I found on the Proclomation. Anyway there is room for us to do more in online promoting of principles of freedom and the gospel message.

[HeirofNumenor]

I got my master's there in 94, in it's 2nd year...they have improved dramatically since...the education I had was more valuable than my poli sci BA at BYU, even if other entities don't recognize GWC yet.

[Bircher]

I really like the Constitutional/proper role of govt principles they teach.

My problem is they have a philosophy of it being too late, do nothing, just watch things fall apart and just be the "remnant" to rebuild.

Many here share that feeling. I will not discuss why I do not, I think the Prophets are clear on that matter.

But like I said, I really respect their clear teachings of the proper role of govt and the Constitution in the tradition of the founding fathers

Anyway there is room for us to do more in online promoting of principles of freedom and the gospel message.

I agree!

[WYp8riot]

I really like the Constitutional/proper role of govt principles they teach.

My problem is they have a philosophy of it being too late, do nothing, just watch things fall apart and just be the "remnant" to rebuild.

Many here share that feeling. I will not discuss why I do not, I think the Prophets are clear on that matter.

But like I said, I really respect their clear teachings of the proper role of govt and the Constitution in the tradition of the founding fathers

Anyway there is room for us to do more in online promoting of principles of freedom and the gospel message.

I agree!

So do you feel they teach the philosophy of it being to late, or is it a feeling of the general consensus among the students and or faculty?
I suppose that could be an individual choice. The learning material looks to be excellent. The education looks to fill the needs that modern education has lost.

[WYp8riot]

I got my master's there in 94, in it's 2nd year...they have improved dramatically since...the education I had was more valuable than my poli sci BA at BYU, even if other entities don't recognize GWC yet.

I sent a PM.

I didnt realize they had been there that long.

I do remember getting Copies of THE LINK from RON CHRISTENSEN in So UT (sp?) several years ago in its earlier stages.

-Paul

[Bircher]

So do you feel they teach the philosophy of it being to late, or is it a feeling of the general consensus among the students and or faculty?
I suppose that could be an individual choice.

I don't know if it is official or not, just seems to be pervasive from what I hear from those that have gone or have kids who have.

The learning material looks to be excellent. The education looks to fill the needs that modern education has lost.

I agree

[HeirofNumenor]

So do you feel they teach the philosophy of it being to late, or is it a feeling of the general consensus among the students and or faculty?

It is based on Dr. Skousen's advice to not fight the train barreling down Track 1, but to get out of the way and build Track 2 -- a new society (in whatever form/timetable it can occur). I tended to fight the idea the students had to do nothing more than speak at church firesides, and wished there would have been more emphasis on going out into the world and fighting the PTB -- and there is merit in this, such supporting Ron Paul, Prop 8, etc.

As years passed, I realized what Dr. Skousen had said: about 1987 was the last real chance we had to make a difference and change the course of America. Bush I was elected in 1988, and with him came NOW, Gulf War, asking Congress to approve UN authorizations for war, followed by Clinton, and now Bush II. He also said that in 94, we got a partial reprieve when we elected a Republican Congress to check the Clinton's plans. It also appeared that in 2000, we were teetering on the edge of the knife, when Gore won the popular vote. The Court declaring Bush the victor appeared to give us the tiniest breathing space, do to what Gore would likely have done. Mind you, none us us knew 911, Patriot Act, etc was coming quickly.

So yeah, there is now immense wisdom in focusing on how to rebuild. Besides, look how most of us SEEM to want to watch the destruction from the sidelines.

They DO have an excellent classical education curriculum, which helps the students to understand things better.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I have suddenly noticed an pull back and take cover attitude, as well as finish up your last preparations....

Can't say I blame them. I am trying to do both....

[Bircher]

The Brethren are still speaking to the need to stand up and defend the Constitution.

I had not heard Skousen say what you posted before HeirofNumenor, but if he did, no matter how much I respect him, I put the council of the Brethren higher than his calculations.

From how many people I have seen "wake up" in that last 2 years, and then another surge in the last two weeks, I am very optimistic.

Not to say all is going to be rosey. As we destroy the Conspiracy here in America, they are going to be gnashing more than ever before, causing as much trouble on their way out as they can.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

Even tho I posted it elsewhere, this is where my motivation always has been, and I believe that it will be love that awakens more.

I encourage you all to share this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk05GjcsAU8

[Mosby]

//The Brethren are still speaking to the need to stand up and defend the Constitution.//

Yes- But seriously, what could they really say - "America is socialist dictatorship, and we should all wait for the second coming"?
I like your optimism - but the REALITY of the situation we currently face is that it's way too late to "save the Constitution" - I mean just look at what happened this week- Did G.W and the gang ASK anyone if they could nationalize the banks? No, they just did it. Just like they just did the $ 700 billion "bail-out" - they just did it.
Just like they just did the Iraq war. Just like they just did the department of homeland SSecurity, Patriot Act, MCA of 2006- etc,etc,

Let's be honest here, we simply do not have a free country anymore, the biggest slave is the one who actually thinks that he is free. Most Americans think that they are free- they are free alright, free to obey, free to pay heavy taxes, and free to suckle at the pap of big government.

George Wythe college understands the cycle(s) of history, therfore they know that a collapse is coming ( it always does) and they are preparing leaders to rise from the smoking ashes of a once free nation and lead back towards liberty.

It's a noble cause to believe that you can actually change things "through the system" - but in the end, it's a fool's errand. I think more than ever the words of Claire Wolfe are applicable today:

"America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the /edited/ (illegitimate children)"

GWC is one of the few bright spots in our fight for liberty

[Bircher]

Sorry we disagree on this so much, but every single prophecy concerning America and the Constitution is that it will be saved before the second coming of Christ.

What we have been warned about is the consequence of those that fail to stand up for it, and fall for one of Satans 8 neutralizers.

Will we fall into dictatorship first? That is up to us, as for me, I will stop at nothing to make sure I have done everything and removed any possible guilt on my part for what bad may happen, and stop at nothing to make sure I not only said I was on the Lord side, but did all I could to prove it.

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

The night is always darkest before dawn

[Mosby]

Bircher-
Hey- not trying to pick a fight my friend, but go back and study that prophecy about "the Constitution being saved" - it actually states that "if" it where to be saved at all - it would be by the Elders of the church. Could this mean that "if" we as a people would have listened to our leaders from day one ( and more currently E.T Bensen in the 60's and 70's) that we could have saved it?

No disrepect here Bircher ( because we are both firmly on the side of liberty) - but just what is it that you will and can "change" by working through our fallen and completely corrupt system?

It was a sad day in my life when I realized that it was way too late, now the die is cast and the best we can do is prepare for the collapse and be ready to bring back principles and forms of proper government - the only other option is to overthrow the government- ( as endorsed by Thomas Jefferson and Capatin Moroni) - although that is a good start, I really don't see it happening.

As long as the sheeple get "American Idol" and another politican promising them "a good hand-out" they will be happy in their cages.

Not trying to be a "doom and gloomer" - just what I see from careful reading of the BOM and studying the cycles of history- (which are perfectly laid out in the BOM as well)

[Bircher]

no disrespect intended here either.

However, we have more than one Prophet that has spoken on the subject, and they clarified that it would be saved, although we will go through some crazy stuff in the mean time if we don't repent.

The Prophets have laid out the how, all we have to do is obey.

[WYp8riot]

I do believe the commandment in scripture is to do all we can before the lord will reveal his arm.

Fighting for saving the constitution doesnt necessarily equall reforming an evil currupt empire.

The constitution does not equal our socialist/fascist government. It is freedom principles inspired of God. Education of these principles is the only sure way of saving the constitution. Activism may be helpful but I dont equate that to saving the constitution as much as trying to save whats left of representative government.

-Paul

[Bircher]

I think I agree with you

I guess it depends on what you mean by activism.

Reform? No. Restore? Absolutely!

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

You can save the Constitution in your home, and your city, your county and your state, and it is vital that we do to protect liberty.

[HeirofNumenor]

The Brethren are still speaking to the need to stand up and defend the Constitution.

I had not heard Skousen say what you posted before HeirofNumenor, but if he did, no matter how much I respect him, I put the council of the Brethren higher than his calculations

Dr. Skousen said these things to leaders at Benjamin Franklin Academy in 94, and also to GWC students in 95. These were stated as his opinion. Never did he nor the Apostles release us from our calling to wake up and fight to save the Constitution. The Track 1 vs Track 2 was something he and his son-in-law Dr. Glen Kimber taught around 93-96 when I was at GWC. The GWC students primarily took the approach to learn how to rebuild and wait. The education they receive has a Statesmanship core (to teach them how to think critically based on truth, and to help them stand up for the right things at the right times and places in all aspects of life), with various minor foci based around education, poli sci, language, and entrepreneurship. Plus mandatory summer internships with government or businesses during 3 summers.

Orson Pratt was the one who said "near as I can recall, Joseph said IF the Constitution is to be saved at all..." Brigham Young, Eliza Snow, and several of the early apostles said JS saved the Constitution WILL be saved by the elders/this people.

The Coming of the Lord by Gerald Lund, and Prophecy Key to the Future are excellent sources for these statements.

[Bircher]

Thanks for those great comments HeirofNumenor