Voting on principle

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If you don't want to vote for Clintary or Trump, her is a good alternative:
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A greeting of recognition for Hillary:
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Perhaps she could be enrolled in:
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rewcox wrote:
markharr wrote:
JJ3 wrote:
rewcox wrote:Trump lies over 52% of the time. Hillary 12%.

I don't understand why anyone would consider voting for Trump.
And you get this statistic where?

He got it from PolitiFact. Where they conveniently leave out Hillary lies, and post every supposed lie that Trump ever said.

Sorry Rewcox. They only way someone could prove a statement like that is by analyzing every single statement ever made by the candidates for truth. We know you aren't doing that so your statistic is irrelevant.
I have actually listened to Trump, can you believe that!? I know he lies more than 50% of the time. Listen to the debate tonight.

Trump is doing so bad, even Texas is in play now. That is one dumb candidate. He will probably try something dramatic tonight, let's see.
Are you certain and for sure it is Trump that is dumb?

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We are doomed now for the greatest possible deceit of those who are capable of receiving the true message and making good decisions . Hilary could not bring the factions "division" together that is why the establishment groomed Trump from the start for this very unique moment. She is a one headed monster and Trump is a two headed monster " luke warm" double speak the worst and most dangerous kind. It appears that many of those who should know better and have been taught right knowing good from evil have fallen for this great lie, never for one moment think that the devil will relinquish his power at this crucial moment without a fight that would "not go unnoticed. " How much more evil does Trump need to be for one to be convinced he works for the dark side and is full evil works. He is the perfect " Trojen Horse" for this most critical timing where many events are coming to a head. Trump is not the lesser of two evils which many justified their vote, he is evil as evil gets, his first words are to unify and heal wounds of division exactly the opposite of what God has planned. The wicked will be divided from the righteous and is our only hope. Trump is guilty of sedition "secret combinations" he is a "Zionist" and abortionist and on a lot more than the three point loop hole abortions , he panders, donates and condones the abomination of sodomy. How much more evil can he be? we have become the wickedness nation on earth. Do not be deceived. Those who will stand with Truth and Liberty must separate from the wicked or be destroyed.

Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who vote.
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GradyKeyser wrote:We are doomed now for the greatest possible deceit of those who are capable of receiving the true message and making good decisions . Hilary could not bring the factions "division" together that is why the establishment groomed Trump from the start for this very unique moment. She is a one headed monster and Trump is a two headed monster " luke warm" double speak the worst and most dangerous kind. It appears that many of those who should know better and have been taught right knowing good from evil have fallen for this great lie, never for one moment think that the devil will relinquish his power at this crucial moment without a fight that would "not go unnoticed. " How much more evil does Trump need to be for one to be convinced he works for the dark side and is full evil works. He is the perfect " Trojen Horse" for this most critical timing where many events are coming to a head. Trump is not the lesser of two evils which many justified their vote, he is evil as evil gets, his first words are to unify and heal wounds of division exactly the opposite of what God has planned. The wicked will be divided from the righteous and is our only hope. Trump is guilty of sedition "secret combinations" he is a "Zionist" and abortionist and on a lot more than the three point loop hole abortions , he panders, donates and condones the abomination of sodomy. How much more evil can he be? we have become the wickedness nation on earth. Do not be deceived. Those who will stand with Truth and Liberty must separate from the wicked or be destroyed.

Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who vote.
Grady Keyser
So where are and what are your irrefutable facts and sources, or are we to take your word with no question? Say, are you a prophet? Can your word be canonized?
Or are you just here to yank chains to see what happens?

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The whole people have a vote in the selection of their officers; and if they appoint wicked men for their Governors and for their rulers, and then those rulers go to work and rule unrighteously, tyrannize over the poor and humble, and sacrifice human life to satisfy their wicked ambition, at whose hands will the Lord require the blood of the innocent? He will require it of those who elected the officers; for the responsibility does not rest alone upon the Presidents, or Governors, or Judges, but it rests in a great measure with the people who placed them in power, when a nation becomes corrupt, and appoints corrupt and wicked rulers, and sustains them in their wickedness. Journal of Discourses Vol 07 16:41,43

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the problem is that those who do the electing cannot always discern whether a politician is good or evil.

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When you see mild weather, when all is smooth and our religion is becoming popular, the Lord is casting mist before the eyes of the wicked, and they do not see nor understand what will take place at the polls when the day of voting comes. Those who vote for Jesus will be on the right hand, and those who vote for Lucifer on the left; one part will be right and the other wrong. We calculate that we are right, and we are going to vote for the sovereign we believe in; and when he comes behold he will go into the chair of state and take the reins of government. Do you suppose the wicked will feel bad about it? That is what they are afraid of all the time.
Journal of Discourses Vol 04 7:38 Brigham Young

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GradyKeyser wrote:When you see mild weather, when all is smooth and our religion is becoming popular, the Lord is casting mist before the eyes of the wicked, and they do not see nor understand what will take place at the polls when the day of voting comes. Those who vote for Jesus will be on the right hand, and those who vote for Lucifer on the left; one part will be right and the other wrong. We calculate that we are right, and we are going to vote for the sovereign we believe in; and when he comes behold he will go into the chair of state and take the reins of government. Do you suppose the wicked will feel bad about it? That is what they are afraid of all the time.
Journal of Discourses Vol 04 7:38 Brigham Young
So what is your bottom line for all this? Are you here to point your finger at voters? Even those who voted for other than Clinton or Trump could have voted for a cheesy person. And if they didn't and that person took office, they would be subject to the puppeteers who actually run things behind closed doors.
Did you get the memo that came down from the First Presidency on how to vote? This memo supersedes JOD. The JOD are not canonized scripture, this is a known fact. The current memo from Church Headquarters read by Bishops in their perspective wards is. I am certain the First Presidency know what members are up against. Too much chaos, lying, deceit and corruption to sort through.
They said to vote for someone that more closely represents our own values. So the burden was placed on us to make the best choice possible under these conditions. Mitt Romney was a flip-flopper so even though he is Mormon doesn't make him a good POTUS.
So if you're here to point fingers and rant, please try a different tree to bark up. I even say you are trying to conduct the wrong choir. Some here already know what prophets of old have said, and what the current memo told us.

Here is a tidbit that came out recently:

First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Congratulate U.S. President-Elect

The First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued the following statement Wednesday:

We congratulate President-elect Donald Trump on his election as president of the United States.

We invite Americans everywhere, whatever their political persuasion, to join us in praying for the president-elect, for his new administration and for elected leaders across the nation and the world. Praying for those in public office is a long tradition among Latter-day Saints. The men and women who lead our nations and communities need our prayers as they govern in these difficult and turbulent times.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/f ... dent-elect" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, I, for one, in good conscience intend on doing what we have been counseled to do...and that is to pray for the President-elect.

So, please give it a rest and let people be.

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The devil can adapt himself to the belief of any person. If you believed in plurality he would make you think it was all right. If he could get you to swallow down one or two great lies that would effect your destruction, and which you would preach and destroy many others, he would not mind how many truths you might believe. He would be willing that you should believe a great many things absolutely true if he could only deceive you and lead you astray and get you to reject some of the fundamental principles of your salvation, and the salvation of the people." "But O," said they, "how happy we feel! We do not feel any animosity to any one; no anger in our bosoms. We love the President and his council; we love the Twelve and the whole Church." Journal of Discourses Vol 13 11:32

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GradyKeyser wrote:The devil can adapt himself to the belief of any person. If you believed in plurality he would make you think it was all right. If he could get you to swallow down one or two great lies that would effect your destruction, and which you would preach and destroy many others, he would not mind how many truths you might believe. He would be willing that you should believe a great many things absolutely true if he could only deceive you and lead you astray and get you to reject some of the fundamental principles of your salvation, and the salvation of the people." "But O," said they, "how happy we feel! We do not feel any animosity to any one; no anger in our bosoms. We love the President and his council; we love the Twelve and the whole Church." Journal of Discourses Vol 13 11:32
In other words, " The devil made me do it." Hahaha

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GradyKeyser wrote:The devil can adapt himself to the belief of any person. If you believed in plurality he would make you think it was all right. If he could get you to swallow down one or two great lies that would effect your destruction, and which you would preach and destroy many others, he would not mind how many truths you might believe. He would be willing that you should believe a great many things absolutely true if he could only deceive you and lead you astray and get you to reject some of the fundamental principles of your salvation, and the salvation of the people." "But O," said they, "how happy we feel! We do not feel any animosity to any one; no anger in our bosoms. We love the President and his council; we love the Twelve and the whole Church." Journal of Discourses Vol 13 11:32
So what is your bottom line for all this? Are you here to point your finger at voters? You failed to address these questions already, so I decided to type slower.
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freedomforall wrote:If you don't want to vote for Clintary or Trump, her is a good alternative:

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Then later you say this in defense of your vote:
freedomforall wrote:They said to vote for someone that more closely represents our own values. So the burden was placed on us to make the best choice possible under these conditions.

It's not a good idea to mock people for the way they vote then try to appear as though you care about people voting according to their own values.

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Evil men need exposed as much as vote is needed for good men that are upright and Godly that will stand with principle(you cannot serve two masters)

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bbsion wrote:
freedomforall wrote:If you don't want to vote for Clintary or Trump, her is a good alternative:

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Then later you say this in defense of your vote:
freedomforall wrote:They said to vote for someone that more closely represents our own values. So the burden was placed on us to make the best choice possible under these conditions.

It's not a good idea to mock people for the way they vote then try to appear as though you care about people voting according to their own values.
It seems perfectly clear that our values have to come stamped with an R or a D after them, or we're just fooling ourselves.

Cause, ya know, democracy and stuff.

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It's either an act of God or it's a conspiracy;;

12 For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it--
13 Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven--
14 These should then be attended to with great earnestness. Doctrine and Covenants 123

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bbsion wrote:
freedomforall wrote:If you don't want to vote for Clintary or Trump, here is a good alternative:

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Then later you say this in defense of your vote:
freedomforall wrote:They said to vote for someone that more closely represents our own values. So the burden was placed on us to make the best choice possible under these conditions.

It's not a good idea to mock people for the way they vote then try to appear as though you care about people voting according to their own values.
Another person that appears to have reading problems. I said IF you don't want to vote for and so on.....as a humor promoting joke. So I didn't mock anyone. Let's keep words in their proper context shall we?

Would you like to rectify your insinuation?

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iWriteStuff wrote:Cause, ya know, democracy and stuff.
Actually a good share of people fail to realize that the type of Government we have (according to our Founding Fathers) is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC SEE: Article 4, Section 4, Clause 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_F ... nstitution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is an excellent presentation of what our Constitution is and how it works...or supposed to. Does anyone know what it signifies by hanging the US flag upside down?

Does anyone know we, the People, have a right to overthrow bad Government? And I ask why it is that "we, the people" have never used this right and gotten rid of our corrupt Government? Why is the Declaration of Independence a seemingly hidden document? Why is it that people do not believe they have the power to overthrow Government? Was the DOI written as a filler with no purpose?
BTW, many Mormons wanted Mitt Romney merely because he is LDS. They cared less that he is Republican. They also cared less that he was a major flip-flpper on moral issues from the word go.

How many people know that we do not have Constitutional rights? Michael explains in the video.
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GradyKeyser wrote:Evil men need exposed as much as vote is needed for good men that are upright and Godly that will stand with principle(you cannot serve two masters)
We've covered this ground many times over the years. You may try a different choir.

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Has anyone viewed the "Religious Freedom and Nondiscrimination News Conference" video above? It's quite informative with regard to LGBT

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freedomforall wrote:
bbsion wrote:
freedomforall wrote:If you don't want to vote for Clintary or Trump, here is a good alternative:

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Then later you say this in defense of your vote:
freedomforall wrote:They said to vote for someone that more closely represents our own values. So the burden was placed on us to make the best choice possible under these conditions.

It's not a good idea to mock people for the way they vote then try to appear as though you care about people voting according to their own values.
Another person that appears to have reading problems. I said IF you don't want to vote for and so on.....as a humor promoting joke. So I didn't mock anyone. Let's keep words in their proper context shall we?

Would you like to rectify your insinuation?
No, I stand by what I said. I think you tried to backpedal and it didn't work. Plus I did not insinuate anything, I was pretty straight forward. But I don't want to continue this pointless argument since I was merely pointing out an observation.

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bbsion wrote:
freedomforall wrote:
bbsion wrote:
freedomforall wrote:If you don't want to vote for Clintary or Trump, here is a good alternative:

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Then later you say this in defense of your vote:
freedomforall wrote:They said to vote for someone that more closely represents our own values. So the burden was placed on us to make the best choice possible under these conditions.

It's not a good idea to mock people for the way they vote then try to appear as though you care about people voting according to their own values.
Another person that appears to have reading problems. I said IF you don't want to vote for and so on.....as a humor promoting joke. So I didn't mock anyone. Let's keep words in their proper context shall we?

Would you like to rectify your insinuation?
No, I stand by what I said. I think you tried to backpedal and it didn't work. Plus I did not insinuate anything, I was pretty straight forward. But I don't want to continue this pointless argument since I was merely pointing out an observation. Well, I can't help it if you fail to be honest and unable to understand simple English like the word "IF", so yes, this is pointless.

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