Socialism - what is it?

[Robert Sinclair]

That is exactly what the LORD has said to do among his people, hand out home and land, food and raiment to those in need.♡

[light-one]

Although fun to argue about the definitions of these things, it seems to me that in practice nearly all governments (with the exception of maybe N. Korea) use a mix of all systems.

In the US, we use a communist system w/ regards to forests and other public lands. The government owns them and determines how/when/if the public gets access to them. They do allow public comment, but have no obligation to listen to any of it.

The U.S. Constitution forbids the Federal government from owning any land, forests, national parks, etc. except for the 10 mile District of Columbia and ports within states only if the states give permission and they have to pay for it. The government has abused the constitution so bad that we are no longer free. The Constitution was supposed to prevent us from ever becoming a democracy, but the Satanic public schools teach that is what we are meant to be.

[kennyhs]

[Robert Sinclair]

Good for the church of the living God, to set the example with it's surplus lands, and wealth, after debts are paid.♡

[David13]

The idea of the Constitution comports with the idea learned from the European Monarchies. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore, the best form of government is that which governs the least. Socialism and communism both subscribe to the theory and are based on the idea that the best government is that which governs to the maximum. Completely, totally. In all aspects of life.
And that's where our government has been going for a long time. Total utter and complete regulation of every aspect of human life, from waking in the morning to sleeping at night, and all night too, and everything in between.
This concept, of limitation, is the basis for the Constitution, that government should be limited. The Constitution was drawn and adopted to LIMIT the GOVERNMENT, and not to LIMIT the CITIZEN.
Far too many people don't learn that, don't understand it, and don't accept it. Particularly where their housing, breakfast, lunch and dinner, and a whole lot more is paid for by that monster Federal government that has grown so.
dc

[David13]

Good for the church of the living God, to set the example with it's surplus lands, and wealth, after debts are paid.♡

Yes, Robert, we know that, and we all know your position on it, from posts of yours 1000 posts ago. I doubt if there is anyone who has been on this forum 15 minutes total doesn't know your position.
And you know our position on it, how we do it, why, when and where and that we are going to continue with it that way, and so is the church.

There is work there for all, and that includes you. Now about the work, you may have heard, let no one shirk.
Now I don't know if repeating yourself endlessly can be considered shirking, but there is work out there for you to do, raise the funds for you to carry out your plan or spread your message elsewhere where maybe someone else will do it your way.
Far better than preaching to the choir, no happier people ever.
dc

[Robert Sinclair]

Good for the church of the living God to set the example, of how to house and feed, and clothe it's people, who are a hard working, industrious people. That by this example set, governments will begin to set themselves "upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end"

Good to get this started.♡

[Serragon]

Although fun to argue about the definitions of these things, it seems to me that in practice nearly all governments (with the exception of maybe N. Korea) use a mix of all systems.

In the US, we use a communist system w/ regards to forests and other public lands. The government owns them and determines how/when/if the public gets access to them. They do allow public comment, but have no obligation to listen to any of it.

The U.S. Constitution forbids the Federal government from owning any land, forests, national parks, etc. except for the 10 mile District of Columbia and ports within states only if the states give permission and they have to pay for it. The government has abused the constitution so bad that we are no longer free. The Constitution was supposed to prevent us from ever becoming a democracy, but the Satanic public schools teach that is what we are meant to be.

I understand that (owning of proprerty) to be true as well. However, I was speaking about what actually IS occurring as opposed to what SHOULD be occurring.

[davedan]

Socialism is when government does welfare. Welfare according to James 1:27 is the business of Religion and NOT government.

Government does a bad job of welfare because while it is good at redistributing money, it is bad a solving the causes of poverty and addressing the virtue issues at the heart of poverty. Religion is more equipped and has the duty according to James 1:27 to deal with poverty and welfare as well as address virtue (unspotted from the world).

We believe in a separation of Church and State. The Federal Government needs to get out of the business of religion.

[Separatist]

Centralized vs decentralized decision making.

[kennyhs]

Good for the church of the living God, to set the example with it's surplus lands, and wealth, after debts are paid.♡

Yes, Robert, we know that, and we all know your position on it, from posts of yours 1000 posts ago. I doubt if there is anyone who has been on this forum 15 minutes total doesn't know your position.
And you know our position on it, how we do it, why, when and where and that we are going to continue with it that way, and so is the church.

There is work there for all, and that includes you. Now about the work, you may have heard, let no one shirk.
Now I don't know if repeating yourself endlessly can be considered shirking, but there is work out there for you to do, raise the funds for you to carry out your plan or spread your message elsewhere where maybe someone else will do it your way.
Far better than preaching to the choir, no happier people ever.
dc

Perfect David13!

[Robert Sinclair]

kennyhs, David 12,

How do you know, whether this is a work the Lord has chosen me to do.

Many things I have posted, are to help, enlighten, those who knew not these things.

My other posts with the same messages on LDS Facebook site, have gotten as many as 29 likes, and one comment even got an official "like" from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, just yesterday.

Skip my posts if you so desire, and let others, that enjoy them, and learn from them, so do.

You know not, all who look into this site, and there are always new people looking in and learning.

I hope you might learn a few things to, and come to understand I am a friend to Jesus Christ and God the Father, and all his children, including the both of you.

And if the day comes when I can give you a house free and clear, and you needed one, I would, hopeful, you would in turn do the same for others, because of your good hearts.♡

[freedomforall]

That is exactly what the LORD has said to do among his people, hand out home and land, food and raiment to those in need.♡

This is correct, but not out of church headquarters, rather, members of the church giving of their substance freely under the law of consecration and sacrifice...aside from tithing. It is not the responsibility of the church to give away homes, but it is our responsibility to give away food, raiment and aid to others. This is scriptural.

And just what does this all have to do with the OP anyway?

[freedomforall]

Although fun to argue about the definitions of these things, it seems to me that in practice nearly all governments (with the exception of maybe N. Korea) use a mix of all systems.

In the US, we use a communist system w/ regards to forests and other public lands. The government owns them and determines how/when/if the public gets access to them. They do allow public comment, but have no obligation to listen to any of it.

The U.S. Constitution forbids the Federal government from owning any land, forests, national parks, etc. except for the 10 mile District of Columbia and ports within states only if the states give permission and they have to pay for it. The government has abused the constitution so bad that we are no longer free. The Constitution was supposed to prevent us from ever becoming a democracy, but the Satanic public schools teach that is what we are meant to be.

+1 :ymapplause: :-BD

[freedomforall]

Good for the church of the living God, to set the example with it's surplus lands, and wealth, after debts are paid.♡

Are we going to have another scripture contest? Did I ever mention D&C 119 and 120 and the various talks by church authorities of recent?

[Robert Sinclair]

Freewill care of the poor verses compelled care of the poor, by force of arms.♡

You can scroll back to a post made earlier where comments from Marion G. Romney, and J. Ruben Clark Jr, about Socialism and the United Order were made, and how it was clear, private property, fast offerings, welfare donations, and tithes, could "all" be used to care for the poor and needy of the church, "if ", so desired, and pursued.

I agree with this, that I feel deeply, is the will and word, of God for his people to do, of their own freewill, as Enoch and Melchizedek did, care for the poor, as keepers of the storehouse of God.♡

[freedomforall]

The idea of the Constitution comports with the idea learned from the European Monarchies. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore, the best form of government is that which governs the least. Socialism and communism both subscribe to the theory and are based on the idea that the best government is that which governs to the maximum. Completely, totally. In all aspects of life.
And that's where our government has been going for a long time. Total utter and complete regulation of every aspect of human life, from waking in the morning to sleeping at night, and all night too, and everything in between.
This concept, of limitation, is the basis for the Constitution, that government should be limited. The Constitution was drawn and adopted to LIMIT the GOVERNMENT, and not to LIMIT the CITIZEN.
Far too many people don't learn that, don't understand it, and don't accept it. Particularly where their housing, breakfast, lunch and dinner, and a whole lot more is paid for by that monster Federal government that has grown so.
dc

And all the LDS's that ignored the counsel of our prophets are now eating crow. The only hope we have left is the coming forth of the Elders of Israel to save what's left of the Constitution. So, Elders, whoever you are, get to studying the Constitution, learn it well and defend it with all your might. Learn what is destroying it so you will know what to attack. This from a talk:

For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?...
Now it is not so much a case of a man giving up all his other duties to fight for freedom, as it is a case of a man getting his life in balance so he can discharge all of his God-given responsibilities. And of all these responsibilities President McKay has said that we have “no greater immediate responsibility” than “to protect the freedom
vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.” There is no excuse that can compensate for the loss of liberty.

So you you see Elders, you have a great challenge ahead. Will these chosen Elders please stand up? We're counting on you.

[Robert Sinclair]

May I offer just one simple fellow servant advice.

Start and finish your own personal hand written book reports, upon all the things that Jesus Christ has said to do, and to be like and to know. Start with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and 3rd Nephi. Then read through this over and over and over, until all his words, have sunk deep within your heart and mind and very soul.

You will then know what you need to say, and what you need to do, and how to be, and what you should know, that you can then share with others, be it to help save the Constitution of the United States, or to help redeem and set up the tower and light and ensign of Zion, and sure sign of the true church of the living God.♡

[freedomforall]

May I offer just one simple fellow servant advice.

Start and finish your own personal hand written book reports, upon all the things that Jesus Christ has said to do, and to be like and to know. Start with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and 3rd Nephi. Then read through this over and over and over, until all his words, have sunk deep within your heart and mind and very soul.

You will then know what you need to say, and what you need to do, and how to be, and what you should know, that you can then share with others, be it to help save the Constitution of the United States, or to help redeem and set up the tower and light and ensign of Zion, and sure sign of the true church of the living God.♡

What does this have to do with the OP? Do you know how many threads have been averted because of this same repeated stuff? I think by now forum members are well aware of the message. We cannot tell the church what to do anymore than you. The time will come when the United Order will be lived in its fullest sense. In the mean time let's all do the best we can to help the poor of our own volition and with charity in our hearts, and pay tithing with an open heart, giving it to God and not someone else. After all, it is his money, right? Who are we to spend God's money assuming we're doing right?

Now, back to the OP. please.

[Robert Sinclair]

If your desire to know the difference between Socialism, and the United Order, so you can support, the "Ordinances of Justice", to bring about the will of God upon this earth, good to get your book reports finished and memorized. No one tells the church what to do, when simply asking, for a return to keep the fullness, even a "United Order", as soon as possible. If you truly desire to strengthen this nation, against forced care of the poor, you would see the wisdom in doing this.♡

[freedomforall]

Good for the church of the living God to set the example, of how to house and feed, and clothe it's people, who are a hard working, industrious people. That by this example set, governments will begin to set themselves "upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end"

Good to get this started.♡

Did you know that socialism is where someone wants others to do as they want, their way, robbing them of their own free will? Maybe it's time to take the message to church headquarters. We're the wrong choir, we don't run the church. we don't dictate what the church should be doing, it is not in our control. But thread after thread, post after post of the same message is going way beyond old, beyond redundant and unnecessary. We get it, already!. Please respect our knowledge and position, those of us that do not follow the same view, that is. We have current scripture that God has seen fit for us to heed, and this is what some of us are going to go by. The law of Moses is not being lived today.

[freedomforall]

If your desire to know the difference between Socialism, and the United Order, so you can support, the "Ordinances of Justice", to bring about the will of God upon this earth, good to get your book reports finished and memorized. No one tells the church what to do, when simply asking, for a return to keep the fullness, even a "United Order", as soon as possible. If you truly desire to strengthen this nation, against forced care of the poor, you would see the wisdom in doing this.♡

Where does fanaticism enter in? I already know the differences between Socialism and United Order, I've posted them several times. Some spoken of by current prophets, if people will take the time to read it. For those that don't want to know what older prophets have to say, then why read the Old Testament? Even the D&C is getting aged but we still rad it and glean from it, right? Cherry picking scripture has its place but not when it comes to tithing and what its used for today. It's time people take the hint.

[Robert Sinclair]

Dear freedomforall,

Please feel free to skip my posts.

How many new people look in each day, that have never seen my posts, you might not have considered.

Many of them, may be glad to learn of the things I put up to consider.

Even The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, "liked" a post of mine yesterday, posted on their Facebook site, that is the same as posted here.

I hope you can block yourself from seeing my posts if that is your desire.♡

[freedomforall]

Socialism is when government does welfare. Welfare according to James 1:27 is the business of Religion and NOT government.

Government does a bad job of welfare because while it is good at redistributing money, it is bad a solving the causes of poverty and addressing the virtue issues at the heart of poverty. Religion is more equipped and has the duty according to James 1:27 to deal with poverty and welfare as well as address virtue (unspotted from the world).

We believe in a separation of Church and State. The Federal Government needs to get out of the business of religion.

And it appears that socialism, public control, militarized cops and land grabs is now the religion of Government. No?

[Robert Sinclair]

So what exactly are you saying freedomforall, tithes are not for use for the poor?

Make clear your position on this matter, thank you.♡