LDS Constitution: Declaration of Independence

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

THE DECLARATION

We, the Sons and Daughters of the Almighty Eternal God, declare our dependence upon Him, and Him alone. We will obey, honor, and sustain the law of kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates inasmuch as said temporal authorities to not institute laws that interfere with our dependence upon the Almighty, who has ultimate authority to rule All, and to whom all will be accountable.

That we pledge our lives, our wealth and our sacred honor in defense of the United States Constitution. That we hold it up as a standard to the nations, and invite all mankind to live as freemen beneath its banner.

We call upon the people of this nation to live the commandments of God, that this nation my find His favor and His divine guidance to preserve our liberties against enemies within and outside our nation.

I LOVE that!

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

What about: I depend on My heavenly father and his holy scriptures.
I pledge my support or allegience to those in authority over me. as all authority comes from thee. I promise to obey thy Laws and the la,ws of my nation. I swear allegiance to all authority as all authority cometh from thee.

I could not pledge my allegiance to those in authority over me unless they are in alignment with the laws of God and I am protected in my God-given rights. Blindly following leaders has led us to where we are so I don't think I can honestly support that entire statement as is.

The only true authority is God's, and through those that have had his authority conferred on them but again only so long as they are in alignment with God's will/law.

Heavenly Father sure, the word of God both written and through his chosen prophets seers and revelators, sure.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers and magistrates, in obeying , honoring and sustaining the law.

see D&C 58:21

D&C 20:1

D&C 98:9 also see TG Tyranny



I interpret this as I will be subject to my leader if they obey and sustain the laws of God, and anything that is contrary to the laws of God is not law at all.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

D&C 123: 7
7 It is an imperative duty that we owe to God, to angels, with whom we shall be brought to stand, and also to ourselves, to our wives and children, who have been made to bow down with grief, sorrow, and care, under the most damning hand of murder, tyranny, and oppression, supported and urged on and upheld by the influence of that spirit which hath so strongly riveted the creeds of the fathers, who have inherited lies, upon the hearts of the children, and filled the world with confusion, and has been growing stronger and stronger, and is now the very mainspring of all corruption, and the whole earth groans under the weight of its iniquity.

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?typ ... ecked&bw=1

See also Unrighteous Dominion

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?typ ... ecked&bt=1

[ChelC]

We call upon the people of this nation to live the commandments of God, that this nation my find His favor and His divine guidance to preserve our liberties against enemies within and outside our nation.


We claim the right to defend our country and people against any threat that seeks to take our lives, property and seeks harm.

This seriously rocks. Very good!

Really, I was being serious in my post. If this is to create a declaration for the forum and rules for the forum and such I don't want to participate. If it is about working through principles of government and debating the merits of those things to reach a concensus I think it is brilliant and I do want to do it.

Robert - I can never tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I'm not making fun of you.

[SPARTACUS]

If this is to create a declaration for the forum and rules for the forum and such I don't want to participate.

That is NOT the purpose.

If it is about working through principles of government and debating the merits of those things to reach a concensus I think it is brilliant and I do want to do it.

This IS the purpose.

Please contribute your thoughts and ideas.

[ROB GIBBSEN]

THE DECLARATION

We, the Sons and Daughters of the Almighty Eternal God, declare our dependence upon Him, and Him alone. We will obey, honor, and sustain the law of kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates inasmuch as said temporal authorities to not institute laws that interfere with our dependence upon the Almighty, who has ultimate authority to rule All, and to whom all will be accountable.

That we pledge our lives, our wealth and our sacred honor in defense of the United States Constitution. That we hold it up as a standard to the nations, and invite all mankind to live as freemen beneath its banner. We call upon the people of this nation to live the commandments of God, that this nation my find His favor and His divine guidance to preserve our liberties against enemies within and outside our nation. We claim the right to defend our country and people against any threat that seeks to take our lives, property and seeks harm.


We declare that the current condition of our nation is one of servitude to the wills of an unrighteous people and the rule of an oppressive seeking government .

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

oooo now we are getting somewhere.. excellent.

[ROB GIBBSEN]

THE DECLARATION

We, the Sons and Daughters of the Almighty Eternal God, declare our dependence upon Him, and Him alone. We will obey, honor, and sustain the law of kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates inasmuch as said temporal authorities to not institute laws that interfere with our dependence upon the Almighty, who has ultimate authority to rule All, and to whom all will be accountable.

That we pledge our lives, our wealth and our sacred honor in defense of the United States Constitution. That we hold it up as a standard to the nations, and invite all mankind to live as freemen beneath its banner. We call upon the people of this nation to live the commandments of God, that this nation my find His favor and His divine guidance to preserve our liberties against enemies within and outside our nation. We claim the right to defend our country and people against any threat that seeks to take our lives, property and seeks harm.


We declare that the current condition of our nation is one of servitude to the wills of an unrighteous people and the rule of an oppressive seeking government .

Now the time has arrive to obstruct these evils.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

THE DECLARATION

We, the Sons and Daughters of the Almighty Eternal God, declare our dependence upon Him, and Him alone. We will obey, honor, and sustain the law of kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates inasmuch as said temporal authorities to not institute laws that interfere with our dependence upon the Almighty, who has ultimate authority to rule All, and to whom all will be accountable.

That we pledge our lives, our wealth and our sacred honor in defense of the United States Constitution. That we hold it up as a standard to the nations, and invite all mankind to live as freemen beneath its banner. We call upon the people of this nation to live the commandments of God, that this nation my find His favor and His divine guidance to preserve our liberties against enemies within and outside our nation. We claim the right to defend our country and people against any threat that seeks to take our lives, property and seeks harm.


We declare that the current condition of our nation is one of servitude to the wills of an unrighteous people and the rule of an oppressive seeking government .

Further, we acknowledge the need for repentance; to turn away from seeking for those things that destroy our society and to return to those principles that made this nation great. Namely.....

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I think this is a good point to mention the 28?? (I think Freedom principles)

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

Here is a simple way to express them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwJMMsF110

[ChelC]

I'm not sure how to word this:

We believe government begins fundamentally with the individual and his ability to self regulate by keeping the greatest commandment.

[Jenny]

Our constitution is divinely inspired. It was designed to limit the control of government and to keep it from getting out of hand with too much power. Things such as the high taxes that have now been created due to changes beyond what the constitution of the united states allowed for in the beginning. The power was to stay within each state and each state was to govern itself. The constitution was designed to keep government from getting too big and from having undue control of the people.

My question is this, if we pledge all to uphold the constitution why not design a plan and act. As far as I see it inaction got us into this mess. It will take very good plans and lots of action to get us out. We hope action that does not require life, limb, etc.

Now the questions are these:

1- What is it that needs to be done?
2- How can that be accomplished?
3- What steps will it take to make it happen?
4- What resources will it take to make it happen?
5- Who will do what part to act and make the changes?
6- How will we know when we have done what we started out to do?
7- Will our plan be one created of inspiration or just our own logic?

[SPARTACUS]

Our constitution is divinely inspired. It was designed to limit the control of government and to keep it from getting out of hand with too much power. Things such as the high taxes that have now been created due to changes beyond what the constitution of the united states allowed for in the beginning. The power was to stay within each state and each state was to govern itself. The constitution was designed to keep government from getting too big and from having undue control of the people.

My question is this, if we pledge all to uphold the constitution why not design a plan and act. As far as I see it inaction got us into this mess. It will take very good plans and lots of action to get us out. We hope action that does not require life, limb, etc.

Now the questions are these:

1- What is it that needs to be done?
2- How can that be accomplished?
3- What steps will it take to make it happen?
4- What resources will it take to make it happen?
5- Who will do what part to act and make the changes?
6- How will we know when we have done what we started out to do?
7- Will our plan be one created of inspiration or just our own logic?

Excellent questions Jenny. I posted your questions to spur further thought in the #3 position at the beginning of this thread. Thank you for your insights. To everyone else contributing, I hope you have noticed I have made your additions to the declaration when I am able.

[Jenny]

More about taxes and how government control began to be a problem:

Skousen, "Before 1913, when the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution passed, Federal Income Taxes had only been levied during the civil war to help cover war costs. As of 1913 with the 16th Amendment “a socialist monopoly was created.” This was the beginning of the big problem with Government "taking money from Peter to pay Paul."

“In the beginning, hardly anyone had to file a tax return because the tax did not apply to the vast majority of America's work-a-day citizens. For example, in 1939, 26 years after the Sixteenth Amendment was adopted, only 5% of the population, counting both taxpayers and their dependents, was required to file returns. Today, more than 80% of the population is under the income tax.”

Along with the Tax problem, there is another problem with the World Banks, as they have “become so powerful that we can’t do anything about it.” Skousen also mentioned that “the Banks have the power to demand payment in full on a loan (at any time) or they seize your house (or other belongings).

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Here is a simple way to express them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwJMMsF110

I will take note of all of those and brainstrom a nice flowly paragraph.

[Jenny]

One of LDS Conservative's other posts says this:

"President McKay asked Dr. Skousen to write an outline on how to restore the Constitution. McKay said “organize the people the way chapter 1 of Deuteronomy says.”

The resulting book is: “The Majesty of God’s Law.” If I were to recommend you read any book, it would be this one. As Dr. Skousen was doing research for this book, he realized that Thomas Jefferson knew a lot about running a ward! In this book you will see the similarities of teachings from the Law of Moses, the government of the Anglo-Saxons, the Founding Fathers, the U.S. Constitution, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Also, this book goes into depth regarding the Law of Consecration, or United Order, and the form of government that God will have on the earth during the Millenium."

So who has read "The Majesty of God's Law"? What does it say about this?

[ROB GIBBSEN]

I'm not sure how to word this:

We believe government begins fundamentally with the individual and his ability to self regulate by keeping the greatest commandment.

I just want to make sure I am thinking what you are thinking....by saying the "greatest commandment" are you refering to Loving God?

[SPARTACUS]

More about taxes and how government control began to be a problem:

Skousen, "Before 1913, when the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution passed, Federal Income Taxes had only been levied during the civil war to help cover war costs. As of 1913 with the 16th Amendment “a socialist monopoly was created.” This was the beginning of the big problem with Government "taking money from Peter to pay Paul."

“In the beginning, hardly anyone had to file a tax return because the tax did not apply to the vast majority of America's work-a-day citizens. For example, in 1939, 26 years after the Sixteenth Amendment was adopted, only 5% of the population, counting both taxpayers and their dependents, was required to file returns. Today, more than 80% of the population is under the income tax.”

Along with the Tax problem, there is another problem with the World Banks, as they have “become so powerful that we can’t do anything about it.” Skousen also mentioned that “the Banks have the power to demand payment in full on a loan (at any time) or they seize your house (or other belongings).

Jenny, would you be willing to start a new thread addressing the tax issue patterned after this thread. I just started a new one called SOP: Just War and Christianity. SOP stands for statement of position.

Here is the link:

http://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3931

Try to mimic the format as much as possible to keep these types of threads uniform. If you would like to change the format to something better, let me know and I will adjust my thread's format to yours. And to anyone who wants to start their own topic, or Statement of Position, try to use this format to help future contributors make additions to the Statements of Position.

"SOP: Income Taxation" would be an example thread topic. And be prepared to have a guy named CCH overwhelm you with stuff. Income taxation is so important and so broad my suggestion would be to separate the declaration and the SOP on income tax. The declaration will certainly reference the issue.

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Here is a simple way to express them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwJMMsF110

I will take note of all of those and brainstrom a nice flowly paragraph.

Or should we just include a refernce to the United States Declaration of Independence?

[SPARTACUS]

Here is a simple way to express them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwJMMsF110

I will take note of all of those and brainstrom a nice flowly paragraph.

Or should we just include a refernce to the United States Declaration of Independence?

Based on the direction this is going, it seems this declaration will be akin to the Title of Liberty raised by Moroni. We are not proclaiming what is not already known, just affirming what the truth is and where it can be found. When the statement is finalized, it should be a powerful statement of truth that can be delivered to everyone. People will wonder where it came from, and they will find it came from modern scripture and prophets on the earth in modern times.

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Now the questions are these:

1- What is it that needs to be done?
2- How can that be accomplished?
3- What steps will it take to make it happen?
4- What resources will it take to make it happen?
5- Who will do what part to act and make the changes?
6- How will we know when we have done what we started out to do?
7- Will our plan be one created of inspiration or just our own logic?

Jenny I do not know all the answers yet and will spend some time thinking about your questions....

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Based on the direction this is going, it seems this declaration will be akin to the Title of Liberty raised by Moroni. We are not proclaiming what is not already known, just affirming what the truth is and where it can be found. When the statement is finalized, it should be a powerful statement of truth that can be delivered to everyone. People will wonder where it came from, and they will find it came from modern scripture and prophets on the earth in modern times.

Ok....I will do some pondering

[Jenny]

Now the questions are these:

1- What is it that needs to be done?
2- How can that be accomplished?
3- What steps will it take to make it happen?
4- What resources will it take to make it happen?
5- Who will do what part to act and make the changes?
6- How will we know when we have done what we started out to do?
7- Will our plan be one created of inspiration or just our own logic?

Jenny I do not know all the answers yet and will spend some time thinking about your questions....

Thanks I appreciate that. One of LDS Conservative's other posts says this:

"President McKay asked Dr. Skousen to write an outline on how to restore the Constitution. McKay said “organize the people the way chapter 1 of Deuteronomy says.”

The resulting book is: “The Majesty of God’s Law.” If I were to recommend you read any book, it would be this one. As Dr. Skousen was doing research for this book, he realized that Thomas Jefferson knew a lot about running a ward! In this book you will see the similarities of teachings from the Law of Moses, the government of the Anglo-Saxons, the Founding Fathers, the U.S. Constitution, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Also, this book goes into depth regarding the Law of Consecration, or United Order, and the form of government that God will have on the earth during the Millenium."

So who has read "The Majesty of God's Law"? What does it say about this? From the sound of it there may be some answers that would apply here.