LDS Constitution: Declaration of Independence

[Jenny]

More about taxes and how government control began to be a problem:

Skousen, "Before 1913, when the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution passed, Federal Income Taxes had only been levied during the civil war to help cover war costs. As of 1913 with the 16th Amendment “a socialist monopoly was created.” This was the beginning of the big problem with Government "taking money from Peter to pay Paul."

“In the beginning, hardly anyone had to file a tax return because the tax did not apply to the vast majority of America's work-a-day citizens. For example, in 1939, 26 years after the Sixteenth Amendment was adopted, only 5% of the population, counting both taxpayers and their dependents, was required to file returns. Today, more than 80% of the population is under the income tax.”

Along with the Tax problem, there is another problem with the World Banks, as they have “become so powerful that we can’t do anything about it.” Skousen also mentioned that “the Banks have the power to demand payment in full on a loan (at any time) or they seize your house (or other belongings).

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Here is a simple way to express them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwJMMsF110

I will take note of all of those and brainstrom a nice flowly paragraph.

[Jenny]

One of LDS Conservative's other posts says this:

"President McKay asked Dr. Skousen to write an outline on how to restore the Constitution. McKay said “organize the people the way chapter 1 of Deuteronomy says.”

The resulting book is: “The Majesty of God’s Law.” If I were to recommend you read any book, it would be this one. As Dr. Skousen was doing research for this book, he realized that Thomas Jefferson knew a lot about running a ward! In this book you will see the similarities of teachings from the Law of Moses, the government of the Anglo-Saxons, the Founding Fathers, the U.S. Constitution, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Also, this book goes into depth regarding the Law of Consecration, or United Order, and the form of government that God will have on the earth during the Millenium."

So who has read "The Majesty of God's Law"? What does it say about this?

[ROB GIBBSEN]

I'm not sure how to word this:

We believe government begins fundamentally with the individual and his ability to self regulate by keeping the greatest commandment.

I just want to make sure I am thinking what you are thinking....by saying the "greatest commandment" are you refering to Loving God?

[SPARTACUS]

More about taxes and how government control began to be a problem:

Skousen, "Before 1913, when the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution passed, Federal Income Taxes had only been levied during the civil war to help cover war costs. As of 1913 with the 16th Amendment “a socialist monopoly was created.” This was the beginning of the big problem with Government "taking money from Peter to pay Paul."

“In the beginning, hardly anyone had to file a tax return because the tax did not apply to the vast majority of America's work-a-day citizens. For example, in 1939, 26 years after the Sixteenth Amendment was adopted, only 5% of the population, counting both taxpayers and their dependents, was required to file returns. Today, more than 80% of the population is under the income tax.”

Along with the Tax problem, there is another problem with the World Banks, as they have “become so powerful that we can’t do anything about it.” Skousen also mentioned that “the Banks have the power to demand payment in full on a loan (at any time) or they seize your house (or other belongings).

Jenny, would you be willing to start a new thread addressing the tax issue patterned after this thread. I just started a new one called SOP: Just War and Christianity. SOP stands for statement of position.

Here is the link:

http://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3931

Try to mimic the format as much as possible to keep these types of threads uniform. If you would like to change the format to something better, let me know and I will adjust my thread's format to yours. And to anyone who wants to start their own topic, or Statement of Position, try to use this format to help future contributors make additions to the Statements of Position.

"SOP: Income Taxation" would be an example thread topic. And be prepared to have a guy named CCH overwhelm you with stuff. Income taxation is so important and so broad my suggestion would be to separate the declaration and the SOP on income tax. The declaration will certainly reference the issue.

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Here is a simple way to express them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwJMMsF110

I will take note of all of those and brainstrom a nice flowly paragraph.

Or should we just include a refernce to the United States Declaration of Independence?

[SPARTACUS]

Here is a simple way to express them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwJMMsF110

I will take note of all of those and brainstrom a nice flowly paragraph.

Or should we just include a refernce to the United States Declaration of Independence?

Based on the direction this is going, it seems this declaration will be akin to the Title of Liberty raised by Moroni. We are not proclaiming what is not already known, just affirming what the truth is and where it can be found. When the statement is finalized, it should be a powerful statement of truth that can be delivered to everyone. People will wonder where it came from, and they will find it came from modern scripture and prophets on the earth in modern times.

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Now the questions are these:

1- What is it that needs to be done?
2- How can that be accomplished?
3- What steps will it take to make it happen?
4- What resources will it take to make it happen?
5- Who will do what part to act and make the changes?
6- How will we know when we have done what we started out to do?
7- Will our plan be one created of inspiration or just our own logic?

Jenny I do not know all the answers yet and will spend some time thinking about your questions....

[ROB GIBBSEN]

Based on the direction this is going, it seems this declaration will be akin to the Title of Liberty raised by Moroni. We are not proclaiming what is not already known, just affirming what the truth is and where it can be found. When the statement is finalized, it should be a powerful statement of truth that can be delivered to everyone. People will wonder where it came from, and they will find it came from modern scripture and prophets on the earth in modern times.

Ok....I will do some pondering

[Jenny]

Now the questions are these:

1- What is it that needs to be done?
2- How can that be accomplished?
3- What steps will it take to make it happen?
4- What resources will it take to make it happen?
5- Who will do what part to act and make the changes?
6- How will we know when we have done what we started out to do?
7- Will our plan be one created of inspiration or just our own logic?

Jenny I do not know all the answers yet and will spend some time thinking about your questions....

Thanks I appreciate that. One of LDS Conservative's other posts says this:

"President McKay asked Dr. Skousen to write an outline on how to restore the Constitution. McKay said “organize the people the way chapter 1 of Deuteronomy says.”

The resulting book is: “The Majesty of God’s Law.” If I were to recommend you read any book, it would be this one. As Dr. Skousen was doing research for this book, he realized that Thomas Jefferson knew a lot about running a ward! In this book you will see the similarities of teachings from the Law of Moses, the government of the Anglo-Saxons, the Founding Fathers, the U.S. Constitution, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Also, this book goes into depth regarding the Law of Consecration, or United Order, and the form of government that God will have on the earth during the Millenium."

So who has read "The Majesty of God's Law"? What does it say about this? From the sound of it there may be some answers that would apply here.

[Robert]

Looks Good!!

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

One of LDS Conservative's other posts says this:

"President McKay asked Dr. Skousen to write an outline on how to restore the Constitution. McKay said “organize the people the way chapter 1 of Deuteronomy says.”

The resulting book is: “The Majesty of God’s Law.” If I were to recommend you read any book, it would be this one. As Dr. Skousen was doing research for this book, he realized that Thomas Jefferson knew a lot about running a ward! In this book you will see the similarities of teachings from the Law of Moses, the government of the Anglo-Saxons, the Founding Fathers, the U.S. Constitution, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Also, this book goes into depth regarding the Law of Consecration, or United Order, and the form of government that God will have on the earth during the Millenium."

So who has read "The Majesty of God's Law"? What does it say about this?

I have been searching for that book. I have the 5000 year leap and the Making of America.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

*BUMP*

[ChelC]

By greatest commandment, I was referring to charity actually, which eliminates the need for these programs.

Jenny, if I'm understanding you right, you are suggesting a freemen manifesto, sort of. I think that would be fabulous. We can actually start another thread for that maybe???? We could come up with planks like the commie one that will lead to the change we desire gradually.

Some quick ideas for that might be:
Eliminate the need for social programs by serving our neighbors, creating PR to encourage the same
Eliminate the demands on the public school system, encouraging home schooling and other alternatives to public school. Eventually as these numbers grow, work on tax relief for the people... not vouchers! You play you pay kind og system.
Eliminate dependancy by encouraging education about gun ownership, emergency preparedness, etc.
Bring people back to a realization of their dependence upon God by doing missionary and joining with other religious organizations in a PR campaign.