What law makes you liable for the Income Tax?

[CHH]

My mother was born WAY after that time, I was born after that time.

I am not thrilled....

And when I started thinking something was wrong with this system, they told me I could not take my babies home until I signed for those cards!

And you did not call 911 because your children were being kidnapped? Why?

If it happens again I know how to shut them up faster than a speeding Batman!

The problem is you do not question authority. I make them wish they could crawl in a hole when I am done.

"I am ready to take my wife and child home now."

"I am sorry but until you fill out these forms you cannot take the baby home."

"Is that the law?"

"I have been told that..."

"I asked you a question. Answer it."

"Mr. Hansen we will not let you take your child until you fill out these forms."

"Can I use your phone to call 911 to report a kidnapping?"

"What do you mean?"

"I mean that you have kidnapped my child and I want the police to come here and arrest you."

"We will have your child ready to go in just a minute Mr. Hansen."

"Thank you. Then I will not be needing the phone."

OR HOW ABOUT...

"Hi Mr. Hansen. We need to fill out the Birth Certificate. What is the babies name."

"Oh we never name our babies until they are one year old. We need to get to know them."

"Well we have to have the name."

"So you are going to force us to give you a name when it is against our religious beliefs? Would you like to put that in writing?"

"If you do not name the baby here then you will have to file the birth certificate yourself."

"Thanks. Just leave me the paperwork and I will take care of it."

Or how about...

"What is the babies name?"

"John Doe."

John Doe Hansen?

"No. Just John Doe."

Or how about...

"We have to fill out the Social Security form for your child. What is her name?"

"Farquar."

"That is an odd name."

"Yes it is."

Or how about...

"What is the child's name for the Social Secuirty application?"

"Mark of the Beast."

Come on folks. Do you not know how to think for yourselves. Are you just sheep?!

Change your kids name NOW if they are young. Make up Certificates of Live Birth and THROW away the other stuff. Change their dates of birth to their conception Date.

Live free or DIE! Don't you get it. This is WAR! Will you be a slave or will you live free. Do you not understand that your servants have become your masters. This is not some joke. You can see it happening right in front of you. You let a hospital official hold your children hostage to force you to get Social Secuirty Number applications for them. How could you do that? What will you do to CHANGE IT?!

Live free or die?

Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God.

If you want to be free you have to stop doing what you are told to do by SERVANTS!

How do you expect to be a god when you cannot even be free?

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

You are right.

Thank you for sharing that.

And I just want to say that I USED to not question authority. I was conditioned to fear them for years having the state sent into our home all the time, being told that I would be taken if I wasn't perfect, or if I told them what was really happening. (my mother was married to an abusive husband at that time.)

I was told that the abuses I would face would be worse then the abuse I was already suffering.

I had been terrorized a majority of my life. It took me awhile to wake up. I woke up...

I thought just not using them would be enough, apparently not...

[ChildWise]

THERE IS NO LAW. Wake up the ´Sheeple´

Truth matters


1. Jury finds Whitey Harrell and others not guilty for not filing taxes. Testimony from juror. 9 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroN2uRb ... re=related


2. TOM Cryer is not guilty. - JULY 11, 2007 1 minute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Of8M1M ... re=related


3 Segment 1 FEDERAL INCOME TAX. The Law. Testimony from Tom Cryer. 6 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KjBy_qp4Zc&NR=1


4 Segment 2 - Federal Income Tax. By Tom Cryer. The Law. 5 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKCEkcfe ... re=related


5 SEGMENT 3 -- FEDERAL INCOME TAX 5minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30RQ2FHs ... re=related


6 Segment 4 - Federal Income Tax 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0FV0T_9 ... re=related


7 Tom Cryer found not guilty of 'tax evasion'. IRS evades the question. 2 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbvKi69M ... re=related


8 Republic / Democracy / International Money Changers / Bill of Rights/ God inspired Constitution / Income Tax Law. 1 hour and 56 minutes,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9023&hl=en

[ChildWise]

Click here below to read this free copy of the 104 page memorandum
Mr. Cryer filed explaining the law and the reasons
the Constitution makes your paycheck exempt. In May 2007 Cryer was aquitted in court of ´tax evasion.´ He´s not the only one. The numbers are growing rapidly. Learn and know Tax Law

http://www.gcstation.net/liefreezone/THEMEMORANDUM.pdf


¨BAAAAA, I´m a smart sheep now. BAAAA...... Show me the law, not your badge, bullying and fear tactics Mr IRS.....I´m still waiting for you to show me the law........Baaaaaaa¨

[ChildWise]

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THE SAVE-A-PATRIOT FELLOWSHIP WILL PAY anyone $10,000 IF they CAN PROVE THE FOLLOWING FACTS TO BE FALSE:

'We have conclusive proof that the following FACTS are correct. That is why we can say - American citizens and permanent resident aliens, living and working within the States of the Union ARE NOT SUBJECT to the filing of an IRS Form 1040 and ARE NOT LIABLE for the payment of a tax on "income"!!! If this sounds odd to you, read on.

For YEARS, the Internal Revenue Service has RULED the American people in a manner equal only to the Soviet KGB. FEAR and BLUFF and deception have been the IRS's major weapons. Americans have been led to believe that they "owe" an income tax on their earnings; that it is their "patriotic duty" to pay it, and there is no alternative to the IRS's abuse.

Nothing could be further from the truth! Samuel Adams, the Father of the American Revolution cultivated and nurtured the theory of the English philosopher John Locke, that mankind needed no godlike mortal rulers to care for his every need. Locke and Adams believed that the common man was perfectly capable of ruling himself, was entitled to his property, and that property could only be taxed by government to pay for the legitimate cost of government functions - the protection of life and property.

Sam contended: If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave. FEAR can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the FACTS. The Bible teaches that God's people perish for lack of knowledge.

THEREFORE CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FACTS:


FACT # 1: Our Founding Fathers created a constitutional REPUBLIC as our form of government. The Constitution gives the federal/national government limited powers. ALL powers not delegated to the United States are reserved to the States respectively or to the People. The Union was created to be the servant of the people! The United States Constitution http://www.taxtruth4u.com/sapconst.html is the SUPREME LAW of the land. (Article VI, Clause 2.)

FACT #2: The Constitution gives the Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to pay the debts of the government. Provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States subject to the following rules pertaining only to the two classes of taxation permitted.
1. DIRECT TAXES, which are subject to the rule of apportionment among the states of the Union.

2. INDIRECT TAXES -- imposts, duties and excises, subject to the rule of uniformity.


FACT #3: The government does not allow either one of the two classifications to tax CITIZENS or PERMANENT RESIDENT ALIENS of the United States of America, DIRECTLY. The intent of the Founders was to keep the government the servant and to prevent it from becoming the master. (See Article 1, section 2, clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution.)

FACT #4: The CENSUS is taken every ten (10) years to determine the number of representatives to be allotted to each State and the amount of a direct tax that may be apportioned to each State. This is determined by the percentage its number of representatives bears to the total membership in the House of Representatives. (Article 1, section 2, clause 3; Article 1, section 9, clause 4.)

FACT #5: It was established in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 that the supreme Court of the United States would have the power of "judicial review". Which is the power to declare laws passed by the U.S. Congress to be null and void if such a law or laws was/were in violation of the Constitution. This was to be determined from the original intent as found in Madison's Notes
http://www.constitution.org/dfc/dfc_0000.htm

recorded during the Convention, the Federalist Papers, and the ratifying conventions found in Elliott's Debates.

FACT #6: Due to the characteristics of the SECOND CLASSIFICATION of taxation, the Supreme Court called it an indirect tax and it is divided into three distinct taxes: IMPOSTS, DUTIES, and EXCISES. These taxes were intended to provide for the operating expenses of the government of the United States. (See Article 1, section 8, clause 1.)

FACT #7: Duties and imposts are taxes laid by government on things imported into the country from abroad, and are paid at the ports of entry.

FACT #8: The supreme Court says that excises are...taxes laid upon the manufacture, sale or consumption of commodities within the country, upon licenses to pursue certain occupations and upon corporate privileges. (See Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 US 107 [1911].)

FACT #9: In 1862, Congress passed an Act (law) to create an "Income Duty" to help pay for the War Between the States. A duty is an indirect tax, which the federal government cannot impose on citizens or residents of a State having sources of income within a State of the Union.

FACT #10: Congress passed an Act in 1894 to impose a tax on the incomes of citizens and resident aliens of the United States. The constitutionality of the Act was challenged in 1895 and the Supreme Court said the law was Unconstitutional because it was a DIRECT TAX that was not apportioned as the Constitution required (See Pollock v. Farmer's Loan & Trust Co., 157 US 429 [1895].)

FACT #11: In 1909 Congress passed the 16th Amendment to the Constitution that was allegedly ratified by 3/4 of the States; it is known as "The Income Tax Amendment".

FACT #12: Some officials within the Internal Revenue "Service," along with professors, teachers, politicians and some judges, have said and are saying, that the 16th Amendment changed the United States Constitution to allow a DIRECT tax without apportionment.

FACT #13: The above persons are not empowered to interpret the meaning of the United States Constitution! As stated above (Fact #5), this power is granted by the Constitution to the Supreme Court, but limited to the original intent. The Supreme Court has no power to function as a "social engineer" to amend or alter the Constitution as they have been doing. A change or "amendment " can only be lawfully done according to the provisions of Article 5 of that document.

FACT #14: The U.S. Supreme Court said in 1916 that the 16th Amendment did not change the U.S. Constitution because of the fact that Article 1, section 2, clause 3, and Article 1, section 9, clause 4, were not repealed or altered; the U.S. Constitution cannot conflict with itself. The Court also said that the 16th Amendment merely prevented the "income duty" from being taken out of the category of INDIRECT taxation. (See Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 US, page 16.)

FACT #15: After the Supreme Court decision, the office of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue issued Treasury Decision [Order] 2313 2313(dated March 21, 1916; Vol. 18, January-December, 1916, page 53.) It states in part; ...it is hereby held that income accruing to nonresident aliens in the form of interest from the bonds and dividends on the stock of domestic change corporations is subject to the income tax imposed by the act of October 3, 1913.

FACT #16: In another Supreme Court decision in 1916, the Court, in clear language settled the application of the 16th Amendment. By the previous ruling [Brushaber] it was settled that the provisions of the Sixteenth conferred no new power of taxation. Rather it simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary [full] power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged... (See Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 US, 112.)

FACT #17: The United States Constitution gives the national government the exclusive authority to handle foreign affairs. Congress has the power to pass laws concerning the direct or indirect taxation of foreigners doing business in the U.S. of A. It has possessed this power from the beginning, needing no "amendment" (change) to the U.S. Constitution to authorize the exercise of it.

FACT #18: The DIRECT classification of taxation was intended for use when unforeseen expenses or emergencies arose. Congress, needing funds to meet the emergency, can borrow money on the credit of the United States (Article 1, section 8, clause 2). The Founding Fathers intended that the budget of the United States be balanced and a deficit be paid off quickly and in an orderly fashion. Through a DIRECT tax, the tax bill is given to the States of the Union. The bill is "apportioned" by the number of Representatives of each State in Congress; therefore, each State is billed its apportioned share of the DIRECT tax equal to the number of votes its Representatives could employ to pass the tax. How the States raise the money to pay the bill is not a federal concern (Article 1, section 2, and clause 3).

FACT #19: In the Brushaber and Stanton cases, the Supreme Court said the 16th Amendment did not change income taxes to another classification. So, if the INCOME TAX is an indirect EXCISE tax, then how is it applied and collected? According to the Supreme Court, "Excises are taxes laid upon the manufacture, sale or consumption of commodities within the country, upon licenses to pursue certain occupations and upon corporate privileges; the requirement to pay such taxes involves the exercise of the privilege and if business is not done in the manner described no tax is payable...it is the privilege which is the subject of the tax and not the mere buying, selling or handling of goods." (Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 US, 110.)
QUESTION: If all RIGHTS come from GOD (citizens of the States retained all RIGHTS except those surrendered as enumerated in the United States Constitution), and PRIVILEGES are granted by government after application; THEN what is the PRIVILEGE that the "income tax" is applied against?

ANSWER: As established in the U.S. Constitution, the federal government cannot directly tax a citizen living within the States of the Union. Citizens possess RIGHTS; these rights cannot be converted to PRIVILEGES by government. The only individuals who would not have these RIGHTS and liable to regulation by government are NONRESIDENT ALIENS doing business and working within the United States or receiving domestic source profits from investments, and United States citizens working in a foreign country and taxable under TREATIES between the two governments.


FACT #20: WITHHOLDING AGENTS withhold income taxes. The only section in the Internal Revenue Code that defines this authority is section 7701(a)(16).

FACT #21: Withholding of money for income tax purposes, according to section 7701(a)(16), is only authorized for sections: 1441 - NONRESIDENT ALIENS, 1442 - FOREIGN CORPORATIONS, 1443 - FOREIGN TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS, 1461 - WITHHOLDING AGENT LIABLE FOR WITHHELD TAX.

FACT #22: Internal Revenue Manual Chapter 1100 Organization and Staffing, section 1132.75 states: The Criminal Investigation Division enforces the criminal statutes applicable to income, estate, gift, employment, and excise tax laws involving United States citizens residing in foreign countries and nonresident aliens subject to Federal income tax filing requirements...

FACT #23: The implementation of IRS Treasury Regulation 1.1441-5 is explained in Publication 515 on page 2, that "If an individual gives you [the domestic employer or withholding agent] a written statement, in duplicate, stating that he or she is a citizen or resident of the United States, and you do not know otherwise, you may accept this statement and are relieved from the duty of withholding the tax.

FACT #24: The ONLY way a United States citizen or permanent resident alien, living and working within a State of the Union can have taxes deducted from his/her pay, is by voluntarily making an application Form SS-5 to obtain a Social Security Number. Then by entering that number on an IRS Form W and signing it to permit withholding of "Employment Taxes" -- "Form W Employee's Withholding Allowance Certificate" (emphasis added). That is why the IRS pressures children to apply for a Social Security Numbers, and for employers to obtain the voluntary execution of Form W immediately from all those being hired. However, no federal law or regulation requires workers to have a Social Security Number or sign a Form W to qualify for a job.

FACT #25: Karl Marx wrote in his COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, ten planks needed to create a COMMUNIST state. The SECOND PLANK is A HEAVY OR PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX, second only to the ABOLITION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY.

FACT #26: The attorney who successfully challenged the Income Tax Act of 1894, Joseph H. Choate, recognized the communist hand in the shadows. He told the United States Supreme Court, "The act of Congress which we are impugning [challenging as false] before you is communistic in its purposes and tendencies, and is defended here upon principles as communistic, socialistic -- what shall I call them -- populistic as ever have been addressed to any political assembly in the world".

FACT #27: The Supreme Court agreed; and Mr. Justice Field wrote the Court's opinion, concluding with these statements in intensity and bitterness. Prophetic words: Here I close my opinion. I could not say less in view of questions of such gravity that go down to the very foundations of the government. If the provisions of the Constitution can be set aside by an act of Congress, where is the course of usurpation to end? The present assault upon capital is but the beginning. It will be but the stepping-stone to others, larger and more sweeping, till our political contests will become a war of the poor against the rich; a war growing.
NEED WE SAY MORE?


FACT #28: Internal Revenue Code Section 6654(e)(2)(c) (cited fully below) states:...no tax liability...if....the individual was a citizen or resident of the United States throughout the preceding taxable year. IRS contends the success of the SELF-ASSESSMENT system depends on VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE -- EVIDENTLY SO! Just how much of the Communist Manifesto has become part of your daily life?
CONCLUSION OF FACTS: ALL RIGHTS come from God. The United States Government can only exercise powers given to it by "We the People" through the U.S. Constitution. The "income tax" is an INDIRECT TAX. There is NO section of law in the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26 USC) making a CITIZEN or a RESIDENT working and living WITHIN A STATE OF THE UNION, LIABLE to pay the INCOME (indirect/excise/duty) TAX.


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SEC. 6654. FAILURE BY INDIVIDUALS TO PAY

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(e) Exceptions. -

Where tax is small amount. -- No addition to tax shall be imposed under subsection (a) for any taxable year if the tax shown on the return for such taxable year (or, if no return is filed, the tax), reduced by the credit allowable under section 31, is less than $500.


Where no tax liability for preceding taxable year.--No addition to tax shall be imposed under subsection (a) for any taxable year if:
A. the preceding taxable year was a taxable year of 12 months.

B. the individual did not have any liability for tax for the preceding taxable year, and

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[Robert]

I didnt pay taxes for years. I was doing maintenance work at some apartments that I lived in. Nobody really knew where I lived. I decided to take on a part time security job. They needed a social security card #. I reapplied. With my new adress in the system I was sent my new social security card. I also opened up a bank account. 2 Weeks later my truck was stolen with most of my tools. Basically that was all I had. I thought it was kinda funny that that happened right after I got a social security card. I borrowed a car to go to my part time job. Someone tried to run me off the road (I did run off the road). I was broken into while I was asleep in my own apartment a week later I tried to run them down, but I saw nothing outside (they knew I was there). I wonder if that ss card had something to do with it? And get this, my truck was stolen on sept 11th of last year. I was "let go for a while" from my job because I didnt have tools or a truck. Basically homeless. It is cool though I am making more money now. Family has helped a lot.

It is very strange. I will never figure that one out.

[Robert]

I didnt pay taxes for years. I was doing maintenance work at some apartments that I lived in. Nobody really knew where I lived. I decided to take on a part time security job. They needed a social security card #. I reapplied. With my new adress in the system I was sent my new social security card. I also opened up a bank account. 2 Weeks later my truck was stolen with most of my tools. Basically that was all I had. I thought it was kinda funny that that happened right after I got a social security card. I borrowed a car to go to my part time job. Someone tried to run me off the road (I did run off the road). I was broken into while I was asleep in my own apartment a week later I tried to run them down, but I saw nothing outside (they knew I was there). I wonder if that ss card had something to do with it? And get this, my truck was stolen on sept 11th of last year. I was "let go for a while" from my job because I didnt have tools or a truck. Basically homeless. It is cool though I am making more money now. Family has helped a lot.

It is very strange. I will never figure that one out.

I will give the good lord his credit. I prayed shortly there after. I hadnt prayed for a long time. I told god that I had nothing left and I might be on the streets soon. I asked for my truck, my BOM, and my hammer back. The cops said they recovered it a few weeks later. I had just enough money to get it back. Wouldnt you no that everything was stripped off the truck but the BOM was still on the front seat. The truck is beat up, but it still runs fine. I am still waiting on my hammer.

[Proud 2b Peculiar]

I have an extra hammer here at my house you can have.

[Moses]

In a bob Dylan song, the Times they are a changing. There was a line, "Don't criticise what you dont understand" So I will just not criticise whats been written, and I will qualify that by saying I really dont understand at all what you have been saying. Not the words, but the whole motivation that drives you guys. I cant recognise it as Christian, or LDS.

Man its heavy stuff.

[Moses]

You send it to the Social Security Administration with a letter of resignation and the religious reasons you are resigning. They will not close the ACCOUNT because it belongs to them. It is THEIR number. It never was your number.

What LDS reasons can you legitimately use? I havent ever heard it said that we object to SS numbers.

[WhisperFox]

Regarding getting Social Security numbers and birth certificates. CHH is correct, in that you can get out of the hospital without these documents. I used approximately the same procedure on my 4th child born 17 years ago. We were able to get her out of the hospital without the forms. I have no idea if it is any more difficult now than then. I would assume it would be harder as more people have been indoctrinated deeper into the unconstitutional "system".

I'd urge caution, for those that are pondering this. Not that it isn't a correct principle, but because we have no laws to back up your correct and constitutional actions, when they escalate the issue into armed confrontation to resolve it, instead of taking it to the courts. I had to leave the state, then return with documents in place, and then the director made it clear he was going to "nail me", even when everything should have been settled. At that point I survived because I had a friend or two in high places, not because the law saved me.

Does anyone here really expect the situation in Texas to be handled properly when they have already trompled on so many legal rights? The list of violations to constitutional law there are huge, but if it ends in armed conflict, they will never see their day in court to prove it.

This is where the fun begins. We had our next child at home. From then on there has been a constant barrage of mysterious charges filed against us by child protective services. One incident nearly ended in bloodshed if it were not for a special county nurse who intervened in the middle of the orchestrated event. She called back that evening to tell us that the CPS would be back the next day with every intention of taking the baby, as they had today. She was free to call me and disclose the issue because she had been fired that day for stating that the child was healthy and refusing to take the baby to the door (where there was a heavily armed sheriff). The plan was that she would take the child, during the examination. The sheriff was sweating like a stuffed pig with his full body armor on, because we had shot together withing 50 feet of my front door and he had a pretty good idea where that would end. She probably saved his life.

We've spent thousands of dollars over the years defending our position on this issue, but my opinion is that it was a waste of effort in the end. If everyone had done it back when the brethren were actively calling for it, we could have made a difference. My personal opinion is that it is too late, and like the people of Limhi and Alma, if we choose to contend now that we are in bondage, we will just die.

In the Book of Mormon, the prophets warned them not to take up arms, but some didn't listen and left widows and orphans. Like the BofM teaches, the Lord will free us from this bondage only after we have paid the price as a nation, and as a people. I suspect the Lord will refine us, and trim the numbers during this process.

We have allowed corrupt judges and executive officers to usurp the rights of the individuals and defend the "rights" of the agents of the dictatorship, under which we are now in bondage.

By the way, as I have said before CHH is correct on the income tax issue, except, like the ownership of your children, the enforced laws have changed while the official laws lay unseen by the federal courts. Without the specifics, I have tested those laws too. I am now in limbo when it comes to both SS and IRS because the legal system refuses to recognize the constitutional law, and if you try it in the press, they let you win, then create an "armed situation" to resolve it. As long as I stay low profile, they ignore me. When I start to become a thorn to them the wrath of hell comes down. It would be worth it if one died a martyr for a good cause, but in the end it will have made no difference because this isn't what the prophets have been calling on us to do.

CHH believes he knows more than the Latter-day Prophets. I don't believe he or I know more than the prophets. That's our single difference on this issue.

Enter at your own risk. I think it was too late back in 1985 when I started taking a stand. It took me 15 years of fighting the system to come to my conclusions. I had faith, I acted, I received a confirmation that my actions were not pleasing to the Lord as he had other work for me. Maybe this is the call of CHH (to oppose the brethren, right), but if it is, make sure it's yours, from a correct source of inspiration, before you put yourselves in the middle of the battle.

[Mark]

Your words are wise and insightful Whisperfox.

[ShawnC]

To use somebody elses words, you "nailed" that one Whisper.