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tsc
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Way to go Sheriff!!

Wyoming Sheriffs Told Federal BATF & IRS Agents To Abide By The Constitution Or Face Immediate Arrest. UPDATED!

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/09/22 ... te-arrest/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Col. Flagg
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=)) :ymapplause: :)

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uglypitbull
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Excellent read!!

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KalelIsbell
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i may have to move to Wyoming...
:D :ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause:

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John Locke
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KalelIsbell wrote:i may have to move to Wyoming...
:D :ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause:
Don't move yet, i'm involved with legislation up on the hill (in Utah) that will do a lot to tell the federal government where they can go. The states are (at least midwest states.....or should I say energy producing states) are gearing up some big big things.

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Henmasher
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John Locke wrote:
KalelIsbell wrote:i may have to move to Wyoming...
:D :ymapplause: :ymapplause: :ymapplause:
Don't move yet, i'm involved with legislation up on the hill (in Utah) that will do a lot to tell the federal government where they can go. The states are (at least midwest states.....or should I say energy producing states) are gearing up some big big things.
No way Locke, let him go. He is one of those whack jobs that loves his guns and his religion. You know the type. O:-)

JK buddy, we need you here. :D

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tsc wrote:Way to go Sheriff!!

Wyoming Sheriffs Told Federal BATF & IRS Agents To Abide By The Constitution Or Face Immediate Arrest. UPDATED!

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/09/22 ... te-arrest/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Uhhh.....guys and gals......maybe it might be a bit too soon. Read this first, I have learned that if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. I'm getting into the habit of checking and confirming things before accepting them at face value. I had been wondering about things I have been reading on the 'Net, so I started checking first. For example, there was a claim made about a secret talk made by a Chinese leader concerning a plan to conquer the US. I wondered "if it was a secret talk", how did a copy get released in the US? Could I find a reliable source and get a copy of it? I did a search, and found about 80-100 sites that quoted, in the same words, exactly what I had read. But no source document. Anywhere. The only sites where it was available were conspiracy theory and related sites. I think many of these stories are released to cause FUD, Fear, Uncertainly, and Doubt. And they surely work. There are many governments that regard the 'Net as a battleground, and form agencies to do battle here. I don't know the source/sources of these things, so I am making no claims that any of these agencies are the source. But that is my opinion.

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Thread Date Find [CTRL] Wyoming Sheriff Hoax Revealed
True Patriot
Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:17:48 -0800

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</A> -Cui Bono?-

Well I am shocked. For people who take pride in picking apart government
statements to find conspiracy theories all over, you take this story at face
value. So I've decided to do it for you, since clearly you cannot.

Let's go to the original post, in its entirety with point by point
refutations:

WYOMING SHERIFF PUTS FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS

County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law
enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must
clear all their activities in a Wyoming county
with the Sheriff's Office.

(There is only one "sheriff" cited, and as we are about to see, that
"sheriff" is questionable.)

Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District Court
decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J), Bighorn County Sheriff Dave Mattis stated
that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his
prior approval.

(Now, look at this. RECENT decsion, and yet the Case notes below say
"Closed: 29th April 1997". April 1997 is RFECENT in relation to January
2000? Next, let's look at "Sheriff" Dave Mattis. Again, let's see the case
notes say the party is "Case: Castaneda v. USA" not "Mattis v. USA" or even
"Castaneda et. al. v. USA". Now, the case number. Here the case number is
"No 2:96-cv-099-J" below in the case notes it is "Case No: 2:1996cv00099" no
J in sight and "96" becomes "1996". I'll forgo the hyphen problems, that'd
just be petty.)

"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county, he has the Constitutional
power and Right to keep them out -or- ask them to leave -or- retain them in
custody."

(Ok, nice quote from this "phantom" Sheriff Castaneda...er...Mattis I mean.
This ability to quote will become important later.)

The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the Wyoming
Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and the IRS in
the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the protections
enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming Constitution.

(Now, court decision. BUT as has been shown before in other posts, it was
NOT a court decision but a "settlement". Here's a quote from one post: "His
case was settled with a settlement, he says, not a court decision." Now, I
know this is double hearsay, but then again all YOU havei is double hearsay,
so if yours is acceptable, so is mine. AND let's also note that any
Lexis-Nexis or Westlaw search will show NO such suit filed in ANY Wyoming
case. In fact the ONLY case with the Wyoming Sheriff's Association involved
retirement benefits, and was to mention that the petitioner was a member of
the group.)

The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs,

("Castaneda v. USA" not "Castandea et. al. v. USA. Can't keep the story
straight, can they?)

stating that, "Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of
a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law
enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official."

(WHERE IS THIS DOCUMENT? They can quote the document, but NO ONE seems to be
able to provide it. Now, wether it is a settlement, a court order, or some
scribble on a napkin, they seem to be able to quote it. And yet when asked
to provide it, they suddenly say "Well, it is under gag" or "The "Sheriff"
doesn't have it." IF it was a judiciaul determination, a settlement,
WHATEVER, then the parties to the case WOULD have a CERTIFIED copy of the
final order or determination. And CLEARLY they do, since they QUOTED it. But
suddenly when pressed, they cannot produce it? Sounds like something out of
the Clinton playbook: "I don't know where those billing records are,
Senator, but I can assure you as to what they say and can quote them to
you.")

The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify that
the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit the
registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm owners.

(Yep, and those files are the same place as this fictious court
order/settlement. Namely: never never land.)

The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies immediately cease the
seizure of private property and the impoundment of private bank accounts - -
- without regard to due process in state courts.

(I have a friend who is a tax attorney. He's going to pull up a few cases
from Wyoming since 1997 for failure to pay income tax liens and seizures by
the Federal Government. When he gives them to me, I'll post here. Suffice to
say this is all but certainly crap.)

Sheriff Mattis stated,

(Shouldn't that be Castaneda?)

"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to
deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their
property without regard to constitutional safeguards.

(By completely ignoring the supremecy clause of the Constitution)

I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting
their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or
any other federal agency that is operating outside the confines of
Constitutional Law.

(Constitutional law as decided by me, not the courts, not the due process of
the judicary and legislature, as defined by me. What a lark.)

Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn County
unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional law."

(As laid out in this phantom court order, I mean settlement, that I just
can't see to provide right now.)

Case Notes:
Case: Castaneda v. USA
Filed: 10th May 1996
Closed: 29th April 1997
Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper
Nature of Suit: Civil Rights

(Again, hit the computers folks. Look for cases of Castaneda [there are
thousands, it is a popular name in California] in Wyoming. THERE ARE NONE.
Not to mention that they provide ALL this info, but WHERE is the judge's
name? Ever case once filed is given to a specific judge. WHERE'S the judge's
name. A call to that judge's clerk could clear this up in 5 minutes. But of
course, if they did THAT then anyone who checked would find this is a HOAX
inside of 5 minutes.)

Class dismissed.

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"I think many of these stories are released to cause FUD, Fear, Uncertainly, and Doubt. And they surely work."

Perhaps, however, this story was not about negative things. For me, it created feelings of happiness, because it reaffirms that there are others out there who are willing to stand up for what's right.

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