Is Harry Reid evil or someone who hasn't "Awakened to His

[d_no]

Awful Situation"?

[SpeedRacer]

People who know him love him. People who have to work with him hate him. I know both. I don't know him. That is all I can add to this.

[Original_Intent]

No idea, and I am not worried about judging him in an eternal sense, the only judgement I am concerned with is in his role in the destruction of our country.

The fact that he has spoken openly against a modern day prophet tells me if he is simply not awake, that he is far from being awake.

[KalelIsbell]

EVIL :ymdevil:

[HeirofNumenor]

EVIL...and have no qualms issuing that judgment :ymdevil: like it would really count

[Like]

I wonder if most people use John Locke's logic that he used in the Tea Party Member Endorses Ron Paul thread about Mitt Romney on any Mormon that has the preisthood and is seeking or has political power:

most LDS voters by far still think Romney holding the Priesthood outweighs most everything else.

If the Lord trusts him enough with the Holy Priesthood surely I can trust him enough to fulfill a role as commander and chief.

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In 1886 President John Taylor made this prediction about the membership of the church:

I would be surprised if ten percent of those who claim to hold the Melchizedek priesthood will remain faithful to the gospel at the time of the seventh president and that there would be thousands that think they hold the priesthood at that time, but would not have it properly conferred upon them. (Minutes of a meeting, September 7, 1886)

President George Q. Cannon seemed to agree with President Taylor’s assessment.

The day will come when man’s priesthood and authority will be called to question, and you will find that there will be hundreds who have no priesthood, but who believe they hold it, they are holding only an office in the church. (Truth, 3:153)

Elder H. Verlan Anderson speaking of the apostasy of the LDS church said:

To fail to consider the possibility that the members of the church are again “falling away” would be to ignore one of the most thoroughly documented lessons of history. Especially is this true in light of the fact that the cultural, political, and educational life of Church members has become so deeply and thoroughly involved with that of non-members that they are overwhelmingly influenced by the “ways of the world.” Through newspapers and magazines, motion pictures and television, schools and lecture halls, and a thoroughly integrated economic system, Church members come into close and continuous contact with those not of their faith.

Some may assume that a “Gentile apostasy” in these latter days cannot occur because Christ’s Church is here to stay this time. They may assume that widespread departure from gospel principles by Church members is contrary to prophecy. While the scriptures do assure us that the Church will continue to exist and be divinely led by prophets of the Lord right up until his Second Coming, they do not state that all, or even a majority of its members will follow those prophets. On the contrary, they foretell extensive, and in some cases, almost total defection from true principles. (The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil, pp. 169-170)

Look what President Ezra Taft Benson said:

Not only are there apostates within our midst, but there are also apostate doctrines that are sometimes taught in our classes and from our pulpits and that appear in our publications. And these apostate precepts of men cause our people to stumble. As the Book of Mormon, speaking of our day, states: “They have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men” (2 ephi 28:14). (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, Pg.89-90)

Harry, Mitt and others have been working to bring to pass Satan's plan:





I would like to think Harry, Mitt and others are just not awaken to our "Awful Situation" and they are just pawns of Satan unknowingly......

[sbsion]

BOTH....................

[Like]

And it came to pass on the other hand, that the Nephites did build them up and support them, beginning at the more wicked part of them, until they had overspread all the land of the Nephites, and had seduced the more part of the righteous until they had come down to believe in their works and partake of their spoils, and to join with them in their secret murders and combinations. Helaman 6:38

[Silas]

"That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

That they may be conferred upon us it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold the heavens withdraw themselves; the spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man." D&C 121:36-37

I post this not to say anything about Harry Reid or Mitt Romney, just to reinforce what Like has stated and make the point that having the priesthood and being ordained to priesthood office does not ensure that a person will always be able to exercise that priesthood. I don't believe it is even enough to simply abstain from major sin, we need to constantly be seeking the Holy Ghost and purifying ourselves through the atonement in order to exercise the power of the priesthood.

That being said I find nothing in scripture to indicate to me that I ought to support a political candidate based on their priesthood office or lack thereof. The only thing I care about when deciding who to support is whether that person is good, honest, wise and that they support and defend the constitution. I wouldn't want to elect anyone who doesn't valiantly stick to the constitution with out regard for what it might do to them politically. It doesn't matter what religion a person subscribes to so long as they subscribe to the constitution. And frankly neither of the LDS members running for president fit that description, nor certainly does Harry Reid.

[bobhenstra]

Years ago when I was ordained a Stake Seventy by Elder Marion D Hanks, he also conferred the Melchizedek Priesthood upon me, I thought it quite strange since I had already been ordained an Elder and served a mission. I ask him about it when he finished with the blessing, he explained "just in case somebody fouled up in the past! Which made me think some one might have. However, prior to being ordained a Seventy, I was set apart for my mission by Apostle Richard L. Evans, I would think he would have sensed any prior mistake.

As I have ordained each of my boys, they only need go back one step past me to Elder Marian D. Hanks, then to David O. McKay.

Bob

[Col. Flagg]

IMHO, Harry Reid is simply a politician who allowed power to get the best of him and sadly he has compromised himself for political gain and has undoubtedly been bribed with kickbacks, favors, etc. to help big money interests while also being a proponent for big government and thumbing his nose at the Constitution in order to keep his status, power and financial perks.

[sbsion]

Years ago when I was ordained a Stake Seventy by Elder Marion D Hanks, he also conferred the Melchizedek Priesthood upon me, I thought it quite strange since I had already been ordained an Elder and served a mission. I ask him about it when he finished with the blessing, he explained "just in case somebody fouled up in the past! Which made me think some one might have. However, prior to being ordained a Seventy, I was set apart for my mission by Apostle Richard L. Evans, I would think he would have sensed any prior mistake.

As I have ordained each of my boys, they only need go back one step past me to Elder Marian D. Hanks, then to David O. McKay.

Bob

hey.....our bishop was ordained a bishop in the Melchizedek priesthood............4 years ago.......does that mean everything is invalid that he has performed in the offfice of a bishop?

[7cylon7]

EVIL :ymdevil:

He knows exactly what he is doing and he is pure evil.

His time in hell will be long.

[lundbaek]

Glenn Kimber of the Thomas Jefferson Institute told us at a meeting last evening that Senator Reid had been very helpful in resolving visa delays for Church missionaries.

[HeirofNumenor]

He was also influential during the Clinton administration is helping the State Department get Russia to stop trying to restrict the LDS Church in 1995-96 after Alexander Lebed declared only Russian Orthodox, Catholic, and Jews to be legitimate religions - all others had to cease and depart Russia.

[creator]

NOM (new order mormon) perhaps?

[HeirofNumenor]

More like a convert from a family of FDR worshippers, child of the Great Depression, anti ETB because of anti-communism (see FDR comment), total Big Govt socialist through and through, supposedly believes the gospel, but won't let his belief system get in the way of political advancement for him & Party...

A NOM instead would likely have issues primarily with both gospel doctrine (theology), and with church positions on social issues (chastity/homsexuality/abortion)...

but hey, we never know...

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Some good thoughts in this thread. Thanks like.

Quick story FWIW. So I lived In Reno, Nevada for almost 3 years. During those three years I ran a Pest Company owned by my Stake President whose father was the Temple President. Two of the finest men I have ever met. They both are good friends with Senator Harry Reid. (they did not support him politically.) On occasion Senator Harry Reid would stop by the office to say Hi, pay his pest bills and chat for a while with my Stake President. Both his companies where in the same building. Anyway, I have met and talked with Senator Reid a few times in the office. We only talked politics one time and that is a completely different story of itself. (bizarre) One particular time he shared like 5 stories that lasted around an hour. Now, Harry Reid is an active member of the church, holds the Melchizedek priesthood, holds a current temple recommend, and has held various leadership positions. After his story telling i was floored and moved. I even felt the spirit. (I think) It was really hard not to like the Senator after that. I gained a whole allot of respect for the man and where he had come from. He is one of the best examples of the American dream. He had a VERY, VERY hard up bringing, A heck of allot harder than Mitt Romney. His upbringing was humbling for me to hear. You could make the argument that not many people in this world have had it easier than Mitt Romney and John Huntsman, and not many Americans have had it harder than Harry Reid. So I gained allot of respect for the man that day, where before i didn't have any respect. He shared his conversion story with me which seemed very sincere. Let me just say he seemed to me like he was an incredible person.

Though Harry Reid seemed like and might be an incredible man in good standing with the church, It does not change the fact he is an incredibly lousy politician. There is not a possible situation in this world where Harry Reid would get my vote. Let me just say this, My Stake President is one of the finest men you will ever meet. He is friends with everyone. When people go to see him they expect to be filled spiritually. Always sharing uplifting stories. HE is always talking about the grace of God in his life. He shared some stuff with me about Harry Reid I wish I could share but wont. I wish every member of the church had the conversations i had with him. He is very familiar with the way the political process works. I asked my stake president about Harry Reids BYU talk and calling out President Benson. I asked if what he said about the prophet was a good enough reason to be excommunicated? Woldn't you like to know the answer.

I wish i knew the year my Stake President was talking about but don't, but he told me President Hinckley had personally called Harry Reid up. He did not in any way tell him how to vote or what he should do, but what he did do is tell him where the Lord stood on the issue of abortion. (might have been Gay Marriage, all of a sudden I cant remember) I asked him which way he voted and My Stake President said he didn't listen to the prophet and he had voted in favor. Harry Reid knew where the Lord stood before he cast that vote. It was his decision, his choice, and he didn't listen to the Prophet of God.. He didn't lose his temple recommend. Harry Reid's explanation was that he voted in favor because the pros out weighed the cons, that there were allot of other good stuff in the bill that out weighed the bads and was the reason why he voted in favor and that he didn't vote for it because of abortion or gay marriage. How did my stake president know this?? Because Harry Reid told him himself.

You see how he justified that. pretty smooth. My stake president started explaining to me how much power, influence, and overwhelming control lobbyist have over politicians, in particular, Harry Reid.. My Stake President implied that the Yucca Mountain lobbyist had Harry Reid in there pocket. As do many others. That money bought his votes on certain issues. So, he explained why he thought Harry Reid didn't listen to the prophet because his hands were already tied. No matter what the prophet said, it didn't matter because his vote had already been bought off. This discussion is where i started learning about true colors of politicians and about our awful situation, and about Mitt Romney. My Stake President (He has photographic memory)went on to give me a history lesson on Mormon politics. He told me Mitt Romney had recently approved or signed some Laws on gay marriage. I ask him if he thought weather or not President Hinckley called Mitt Romney as well? He didn't know. It is anyone guess, but he said he wouldn't be surprised at all if he did. And if that conversation did happen I would like to know about it because this would show how these Mormon politicians could give a rats about the teaching of the church and the prophets.. Mitt Romney is not a friend of the Constitution, Nor is Harry Reid. They both are fully aware that the majority of their votes were are in complete violation of the Constitution and know where the Lord stands and where the church stands on many issues. But it seems what the Lord teaches means little to these guys.

[Tribunal]

In 1886 President John Taylor made this prediction about the membership of the church:
"I would be surprised if ten percent of those who claim to hold the Melchizedek priesthood will remain faithful to the gospel at the time of the seventh president and that there would be thousands that think they hold the priesthood at that time, but would not have it properly conferred upon them. (Minutes of a meeting, September 7, 1886)"

President George Q. Cannon seemed to agree with President Taylor’s assessment.
"The day will come when man’s priesthood and authority will be called to question, and you will find that there will be hundreds who have no priesthood, but who believe they hold it, they are holding only an office in the church." (Truth, 3:153)

How do you know if you hold the priesthood or just the office?

[creator]

How do you know if you hold the priesthood or just the office?

Go to PriesthoodChecker.com or PriesthoodValidator.com... it traces your priesthood line back to make sure it was properly conferred to all in your upline.

[Tribunal]

How do you know if you hold the priesthood or just the office?

Go to PriesthoodChecker.com or PriesthoodValidator.com... it traces your priesthood line back to make sure it was properly conferred to all in your upline.

That's funny! Seriously! This is one of the craziest things I've ever heard of.

[AlbertaBronco]

Evil without a doubt ... He has turned to the dark side just like Anakin Skywalker!

[blondenblueeyed]

Simple...he's evil.