Dr. Ron Paul: Why Governments Hate Gold

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LoveIsTruth wrote:
Jason wrote:A difficult challenge to one heavily indoctrinated in big banker philosophy and historical bias - i.e. modern libertarian.
A difficult challenge to one incapable of understanding fundamental principles of Liberty and Justice, i.e. Private Property, also known as agency, against which you and Satan are rebelling, but thankfully in different degrees, otherwise you would've been in hell already. ;)

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I will summarize here: Your absolute principles are absolutely wrong.

You own nothing that you say is private property, and I can separate you from it with 3 words, "Seek the Lord." or just one word, "Socage."

Can you say the same thing? Ok, now bye, bye to your purposeless, private property ownership.

Now lets get into the reason why:
("Work By The Law" By Bruce Wydner, pp.25-27

All property rights come from purpose

… The key point in “The Story of Our Law” is the letter of Samuel Adams to the King. The big word is “socage.” We are linguists. We show precisely, professionally what “socage” means.

Every civil right owned by any American is owned, or held - to be technical - in “free and common socage” - “which is as absolute an estate as the subject can hold,” Samuel Adams tells the King.

They didn’t have a great deal of language enthusiasm, apparently, 18 years after that event, when the Slavers told the world: “… our civil rights have no dependence upon our religious opinions.” They raised the issue, as they touch off world-wide revolution, “Well then, what do they depend on?”

The answer is “seeking” - linguistically that is as absolute as the planet upon which we stand.

It is impossible to “seek” anything about which we have no opinion.

If the Slaver has no opinion about what he seeks, he seeks nothing. If he seeks nothing he holds or owns nothing, by free and common socage - and that is the way that every right that is held by the Law of the USA is held.

Where they went wrong, apparently, was their first word, “our.” “Our” meant what they have and hold. Apparently the Slavers had nor held nothing.

B. When you understand the concept of socage, that in reality - at the last extreme - our Law System’s History recognized our holding onto something by seeking it, as the only way that we may have anything on a permanent basis within the “Body,” we are prepared for the final message of the story of our Law: “What was the something that we sought?”

Two thousand years ago, in the area where our forebears were living at that time, the fairy tales that they teach to first graders in Scandinavia are the exact same happenings as LDS readers of the book of Mormon find happened here in Ancient America.

It is very obvious to LDS people what the Lord wanted the people to “seek.” It was His “sake” or “purpose.” “What is the Lord’s purpose?” “To bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.” “How may a man live forever - in logical words - that the whole world can grab onto by its workaday rules?” “Look!” Alma 37. “Seek the face of the Lord always that in patience ye may possess your souls,” D&C 101:38. “Look unto me in every thought” D&C 6:36.

Here is “New Learning” come home.

We can “Work By The Law” through what we found in New Learning.

Isaiah said, “The wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”

The wisdom of the world’s wise men perishes, with their Ancient Greek Statecraft foundations, as shown in New Learning.

The world’s juris-prudent, find that their Equity system, raised to such heights by the Slavers’ challenge to the world, is really just a bunch of tricks, deserving to be hidden behind their backs, as Language study reveals what is ultimately at work as the driving force of Law....

C. That driving force is something that any working man can understand, if he wants to, just as was the presumption, among the members of London’s Gilds, before the English Civil War, the hollow victory of which allowed to be ushered in the Bank, that would then make totally secular decisions about what was ultimately right or wrong....

As long as the person holds on to seeking the Sake of the Law, in the way his own conscience prompted him as we questioned him, he is a “Free-holder,” as far as we are concerned, and invited to hold property among us in one of the Corporations or groups with whom the Inns have contracts....
"(The Story of Our Law for Little Children) By Bruce Wydner,)

Samuel Adams said,
“... in all free States the Constitution is fixed …
its foundation in the law of God, and nature. It is essentially a natural right, that a man shall quietly enjoy, and have the sole disposal of his own property.

…lands therein described are granted to the inhabitants in free and common socage;
They obtained a Charter from King Charles the first, wherein his Majesty was pleased to grant to them & their Heirs & Assigns forever all of the Lands therein described, to hold of him & his Royal Successors in free & common socage, which we humbly conceive is as absolute an Estate as the Subject can hold under the Crown.”

So, Samuel Adams organized the American Revolution; and he did it with one word: that word, “Socage,” as it was written, in that letter of his, to King George III.

… the CHARTER of England, wherein is written that all-important PURPOSE of Our Law …

the Law of the Land is, the “general customs” that, apparently, the people of England have had, since they first came there, and of which Written Records have been preserved since as far back as 1189.

… the word, Socage.

… by trying to continue to allow the Principle of “Good Faith” to direct everything in their lives, they had the Continental Congress, under the Articles of Confederation (both of which were effectively controlled by New England, as New England had conceived the ideas for both the Congress and the Articles), divide up all of the American west into New England Communes (Townships), wherein all Americans would be able to hold onto their Property forever, by the ancient Socage concept, which Samuel Adams had made into the “ignition,” of the determined opposition, that was the American Revolution.

“What was that Socage concept, again, of holding onto your Property forever, in your Commune, as long as you did all that you did in, ‘Good Faith’?”
It was the Ancient Belief in England, that is the warp and woof of Puritanism, that as long as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ does everything on his Farm, in his Commune (the smallest, local level organization of Jesus Christ’s Church) holding onto “Good Faith” in the Lord Jesus Christ, then, what the Holy Ghost helped him acquire was his forever, unless a Twelve-man Jury, at the next higher level for Believers in the Lord, the County, of which the Commune was a part, found that party, guilty of departing from the Law, that all of us have shared in common, back through immemorial time, and which is the outward expression of the way that life should be lived among people holding onto Good Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

… live, in your own life, all of the Principles of the Everlasting Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as you understand them, to the very fullest of your ability. In doing this remember the Commandment of the Lord when he restored the Fulness of the Everlasting Gospel through the prophet Joseph Smith. He said that, “Your first responsibility is to seek after your dead.” Do your Genealogy; it is part of your first defense.

“But, Joseph Smith and all of the Latter-day Saints, in Missouri and Illinois, were doing all of these things; that didn’t save them from being ravaged, pillaged and murdered by all of the followers of that Tobacco Grower in their day.”

Yes, I know, but I have only given one of the two answers.

“Oh, yes. There is supposed to be another answer that will let me keep what I earn. All right. What is it?”

Know the meaning of the word, “Socage.”

“Know the meaning of the word, “Socage”! “Do you mean that if I know the meaning of the word, ‘Socage,’ in addition to living all of the principles of the Restored Gospel to their fullest, including doing my Genealogy Work, that I will be able to keep what I earn?”

Yes.

Unanswered Questions

In order to aid us to understand the meaning of the word, “Socage,” and thereby have some answer to the otherwise unchallenged statement of the Tobacco Grower, and to the unimpeded way that Greco-Roman Government just comes rolling into our lives, crushing everything in sight, behind that unchallenged statement, let us have a closer look at some of the items that have appeared to this point, but have gone unanswered. These include: “What kind of a Government do we really have in the USA?” “What did people call US ‘civil rights’ before they were called that?” “Did the Continental Congress really think that it was only ‘temporary’?” “What was the ‘Purpose’ of the Corporations that both summoned the Continental Congress and wrote the Constitution?” “What do we know of the origins of the Common Law of England?”

“The Liberties of the Gospel”

When Civil War began raging in Old England, in the early 1640’s, the Puritan Settlements in New England knew that they needed to unite for their mutual protection. Accordingly, they wrote and brought into effect, on May 19, 1643, “The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual League of the United Colonies of New England.”

The Preamble to that “Constitution” reads:

“Whereas we all came into these parts of America with one and the same end and aim, namely, to advance the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and to enjoy the liberties of the Gospel in purity with peace; ...”

That is what our ancestors used to call these, “English Freeholder Rights,” that nobody can take away from you, except twelve men, acting like the Twelve Apostles, in unison: “THE LIBERTIES OF THE GOSPEL.”

“Hey, where do these guys get off, calling, ‘our civil rights,’ ‘the Liberties of the Gospel’?”

We will get to that quite quickly now. But, before we do, let us consider what “the same end and aim” or “Purpose” of these successful New England Business Corporations was.

The “Purpose” of the New England Corporations

The wording of the “Purpose” of the “Corporation” of Connecticut is almost the exact same as that of Massachusetts. The following are the words of the Purpose of the Colony of Connecticut, in the, “Charter of the Colony of Connecticut”:

“... as their good life and orderly Conversacon may wynn and invite the Natives of the Country to the knowledge and obedience of the onely true God and Saviour of mankind, and the Christian faith, which in our Royall intencons and the Adventurers free profession is the onely and principall end of this Plantacon; ...”

The Business Corporation of Connecticut continued to use this Purpose as The Formal Business Purpose of the Corporation, throughout the rest of the Colonial Period, from the year 1662, when they obtained the Charter containing this Purpose, down to the Revolution under the Continental Congress; and then they continued using it, as one of the United States, down until 1818, when Connecticut wrote its State Constitution that was in force until 1965.

The “Commonwealth”

“Was this ‘Business Corporation,’ with its Formal Purpose some aspect of advancing the ‘Kingdom of the Son of God,’ the exception or the rule among Englishmen at this time?”

Oh, the absolute RULE, but not only for England, for all of Northern Europe, generally. “What do you call this type of an organization?”
A “Commonwealth.” So many of the original Thirteen States call themselves, “Commonwealths.” Connecticut has, throughout its membership in the Union. In Massachusetts it is, “bad usage,” to call it, a “STATE”; it is formally, “The Commonwealth of Massachusetts.”
Well, what does the word ‘Commonwealth’ mean?”

We have an example in the name of the Government of a neighboring Island to England, in the North Atlantic: the Island of Iceland.
The name of that Government, in the Language of Iceland, is “Lydhveldidh Islands”: “The Commonwealth of Iceland.”

The Language of Iceland, a first cousin to English, is a tremendous historical curiosity. Whereas the Language of England has changed so much in the last thousand years that Medieval English is now a totally foreign Language, the Language of Iceland has remained the same. What their word for “Commonwealth,” “Lydhveldidh,” means is that the Country of Iceland is a, “Lewd-wealth.” “Lewd” is the Old English word for “people,” as in the name “Lud-gate.” We can see what “wealth” means by these Old English derivations. In Old English, if you “heal,” you get “health”; if one “steals” through the shadows, that makes “stealth”; if you “weal,” you get “wealth.” In all Germanic-language Countries the word for “vote” is, “weal.” So a North European “Commonwealth,” such as Iceland or Finland or England is, a “People-vote Country.”

This type of a Government is the typical North European, Germanic Government. When the Crusader Trade Cities of North Italy were organized according to the rules of the North European Gild-system, along these lines of all of the people having the right to vote, the Monks of Italy did not know what to call them. Differing from the Goths and Lombards, who lived this way, these Crusaders were coming to take over everything for good. So, they had to invent a name for them. They thought that the Italian word “re-publica” “the peoples’ thing” (the same as “cosa nostra,” “our thing”) might be used, because that word de-emphasized the Roman deification of the Caesars, as these Gild-organized Crusaders certainly did. There was NEVER a time when all Romans VOTED, though, so the term “republic,” as a replacement for the idea of a “Commonwealth,” is inadequate.

However, because the Tobacco Growers of Virginia had “bought,” to their very souls, the story of the Humanists, of the Rennaissance, in the Enlightenment’s version of education, that they received, these Tobacco Growers skipped right over the Middle Ages, in their studies, from the Ancient Greeks and the Romans, to Socrates “reborn” in the Rennaissance. To the Tobacco Growers, “republic” was the only word that they could understand, that explained what the New Englanders had done by summoning the Continental Congress.

To try to get “scientific” about what one would call the proposition of all people actually voting, the Tobacco Growers tried going even further back, to the Greeks. In Ancient Greece more than half of the people were Slaves. The situation was the same in the Tobacco Growers’ own Virginia and the Carolinas; they identified with the Greeks. They would call this idea of all people voting, that was being foisted on them by the New Englanders, being “democratic.”

So all that Modern Americans know, to identify their Country by, is the Roman word, “republic” and the Greek word, “democracy.” Though the idea of a land where all of the people voted would be as foreign to the Romans and Greeks as being in China, thanks to the Tobacco Growers, Washington D.C. and most State Capitals are architectural attempts to perpetuate the idea that all of our “Governmental Concepts” come straight from the Greeks and the Romans, which perhaps 99% or more of Americans believe as they do that the Sun shines.

“Perpetual” Union

As has been said, when Civil War began to rage in England, the Puritan Colonies of New England banded together to draft and adopt, on May 19, 1643, “The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual League of the United Colonies of New England. They were probably motivated to use the word “United” by the example of, “The United Provinces of the Netherlands.” That they felt that their Union was to be “perpetual” is seen from the fact that their Commissioners continued to meet until 1684, when a most inimical King in England took such ferocious steps in both England and New England, to squelch such foes of Absolute Monarchy, as what lingering Puritanism there was around, that he was driven out of England by force, by the People of England who were so outraged by what he was doing. Before he went, though, he did bring a forcible end to the “perpetual” League of the Puritan New England Colonies.

When the Continental Congress voted that the Colonies be free and independent States, on July 2, 1776, the leadership of the New England States drafted for the Continental Congress “The Articles of Confederation and PERPETUAL Union of the United States of America.”
The Continental Congress adopted those articles in 1777 and sent them to the new States to be ratified. When victory over England drew near, in 1781, the last State, Maryland, finally ratified them, on March 1, 1781, thus making them the Official Constitution of the USA.
They were meant to be “perpetual,” and the plot, by the Tobacco-growers, to destroy their implicit Puritanism, which divided up the public land into Puritan Communes, was Treason.

Puritan Communes

That brings up the subject of these Puritan Communes, whose organizational strength the Tobacco Growers so effectively axed that in the US Midwest they are very impotent, compared to those of which they were intended to be the copies, in New England. The original Puritan Communes, or Townships, of New England, are still most vigorous down to this day. But, the Tobacco Growers were so effective against their organizational strength elsewhere that they are comparatively impotent organizationally, in the US Midwest, and not even organized, in the US South and in most of the Far West. There they are mostly only used to serve as a part of the procedure for surveying Freeholds.

“The quarrel of the Tobacco Growers with the Puritans really does come down to what the REAL role of those Communes is in the Common Law of England, doesn’t it?”

Yes.

“What is that role?”

It is what the word “common” (or “commune” to be Norman French) means in the expression, “the Common Law of England.”

“What does the word ‘common’ mean, in the expression, ‘the Common Law of England’?”

The Meaning of The Word “Common” in “The Common Law”

The Common Law of England is the Law of the “Business Corporation” of England. Because of the Magna Carta we have a record of the “Bylaws” passed by its “Board of Directors” since 1189, but its original “Charter,” with its “Purpose” written down on it, is missing.

Still, as those “By-laws” were passed, in the same Tradition as that within which England had operated since before the Magna Carta, a picture slowly formed of what the Organization of England must have been that was spelled out in its Original Charter.

As has been said many times, this Business Corporation of England was divided into Shires, which were divided into little “Counties,” which were divided down into Communes. The way that you became a member of the Business Corporation of England, became “Free,” as far as England was concerned, that is an “English Free Man,” or possessor of those, “our civil rights,” that the Tobacco Grower spoke of, was to become a member of one of the Communes of England. THE COMMUNE WAS THE LOCAL DIVISION OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST. BY PARTICIPATING IN THE ORDINANCES OF THE “GOSPEL,” THAT IS BAPTISM AND CONFIRMATION AND TAKING AN “OATH” TO LIVE THE PRINCIPLES OF THE GOSPEL, A MAN JOINED HIS COMMUNE AND THEREBY WAS OR COULD BE “FREE.” As an English “Free Man” he could be or became a “Freeholder.” As a “Freeholder” he has the English “Freeholder Rights” that were called, “our civil rights,” by the Tobacco Grower. And the ONLY way that one could get those Rights was by taking an “Oath” that he would “hold” to the Principles of the Gospel of the Son of God with all of his strength. That is, THOSE FREEHOLDER RIGHTS WERE 100% TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON NOTHING ELSE BUT “OUR RELIGIOUS OPINIONS” ABOUT THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. They had absolutely NOTHING at all to do with any Greco-Roman STATE (that is, nothing at all to do with the word, “Civil”).

Every three months all of the people living in the Communes of a specific “County” would get together at a Meeting conducted by the Leader of the County, the Alderman, and his Council of Twelve men who assisted him. If any of the Free Men in the Communes of that County had done anything that was against the Law of all of the people of the Corporation he would be tried and either convicted or acquitted by those Twelve men. If he was convicted he was put outside the protection of the Law. He became an “Outlaw.” And, the protection afforded by the Law Officers of that County was considerable because, as each of those Counties was called a “Weapontake,” in the populous eastern Shires of England, called “the Danelaw,” it was at this County Level that the Free Sokemen of England took up their Arms to defend the Rights of the People.

In times of War all of the Free Sokemen from the Communes of a particular Weapontake would be led by the Earl of the Shire, to which the Weapontakes belonged. He was a regional representative of the General Officers of the whole Corporation of England. As occasion would demand, he would conduct “mini-parliaments” for the Free Sokemen of his Shire, to attend to the business of the Shire.

At Easter time in the Spring and again at All-Hallows in the Fall the Leader of each of the Communes of England (along with the Aldermen of the Weapontakes) would gather to a “House of Communes” to listen to the Leaders of the Corporation of England speak to them. These Leaders included the Lord High Steward of England, the Speaker of the House, the Chief Justice, the Supreme Jury and the many other general authorities of the Corporation. These were called, “the House of Lords.” They also had a “Patriarch” of the Kin-dred of England, the first born of that great extended family, who was called, the “Kin-ing” or, the “King.”

The Lord High Steward would speak to both assembled Houses about what they should do for the coming year or half year. (This is the model followed later by the Monarchs who said that they “parle-d,” which was Norman French for, “spoke,” to both of those houses. That is why both of those Houses are called, “the Parliament.” This is the model also followed by the President of the USA, when he delivers his “State of the Union” Message to both Houses of Congress assembled together.) When the Lord High Steward presented something to both Houses, and this assembled Leadership voted upon it in the affirmative, that then became part of the “Law” of the Corporation of England.

Of course many of the Communes represented, as well as many of the Aldermen, were from the Boroughs (the Cities) of England rather than from the Farmlands. The segment of a Borough presided over by an Alderman contains all of the Gild Members in that City that belong to a particular Craft Gild: the Merchants, Fish-sellers, Grocers, Masons etc. The Farmers, under a particular Alderman in the Countryside, were all members of a Gild as well, the largest Gild, the Gild of England’s Farmers. All of these Gild members were encouraged to attend the Temples of the Gilds, as well as Church meetings on Sunday. Because in many parts of England wood is less available than stone, many of these Temples were built of stone, by the Masons’ Gild. Inside of these Temples the Free Sokemen of England were taught all of the details of the ORIGINAL CHARTER of England. However, because of its ultimately important character it was not to be talked about outside of these Temples built, often, by the Masons.

As the Free Sokeman of England learned the details of this Original Charter, better and better, he better understood the PURPOSE of the Corporation of England. As he learned that he better understood how to work, suggest ideas, lead and participate in the Townsmeetings in his Commune, wherein everything was settled by all of the people by VOTING. As a matter of fact, EVERYTHING IN THE ENTIRE CORPORATION OF ENGLAND WAS DECIDED BY VOTING OR ELECTIONS, just as everything in the Township or Commune was.

“What do you call such an Organization as this?”

A “people-vote,” a “Lydhveldidh,” a “Commonwealth.”

“Say maybe we are getting a little carried away with this Icelandic ‘people vote,’ ‘lydhveldidh,’ idea. If they do call themselves, a “commonwealth,” it would really appear that they are just copying their mighty neighbor to their southeast, England.”

It might seem that way, but the “Althing” of Iceland is the oldest Parliament of Regularly Returned Representatives of the People on Earth. It has a history of practically 300 years before the English Parliament had reliable records; after the Magna Carta was signed in 1215 A.D. The records of the Althing are in good order from its founding in 930 A.D. and of its Twelve-man Juries for long before that.

“Oh.” “But, then, what does that word ‘common’ in the ‘Common Law of England’ mean?”

We can see that by seeing what the Magna Carta is all about.

“What is the Magna Carta ‘ALL ABOUT’?”

It starts out: “In the first place the English Church shall be free.” That meant: “IT (the English Church) shall have ITS LAW INTACT.” That meant: “It shall continue to have freedom of elections, which are considered most important and necessary to the English Church.”

“What does the word ‘Commune’ or ‘Common’ mean, in the expression, ‘the Common Law of England,’ this Law where everything decided in England is decided by the ‘voting’ or ‘elections’ of the Free Sokemen of England, made free in relation to their participating in taking the COMMUNion of the English Church in their COMMUNE?” “Well, that doesn’t take too much imagination, does it?” The word, “common,” means “commune”; and the word, “commune,” means, the “church,” wherein you take the “communion” of the Son of God.

The expression, “The Common Law,” found in the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States of America, or more fully, “The Common Law of England,” means, “the CHURCH Law ― of England.”

These Rights of the Church Law of England, called, “the Liberties of the Gospel,” in the Articles of Confederation of the New England Puritans, which one had access to ONLY after taking the “Communion,” in one of the “Communes” of the English Church, whose Law was kept “intact” by the Magna Carta, are the Rights of which the Tobacco Planter said that they, “have no dependence upon our religious opinions.”

The Magna Carta Story


“That puts a slightly different slant on things,”

I would say so. The “picture” that “slowly formed of what the Organization of England must have been, that was spelled out in its Original Charter,” after the Magna Carta, when the Monarch couldn’t keep on destroying the Records of that Organization anymore, is that of an ancient “Church,” “the English Church,” as it is called in the Magna Carta, distinguishing it from the Roman Catholic Church, to which it bore hardly any resemblance.

For one thing it had Temples, totally unlike Roman Catholicism. If one wants to, a case can be made that these Temples have survived on till today, as the Temples of the Masons. Masons and Catholicism have always clashed. And, the situation was that Members of all Gilds always had to be Members in good standing in the Magna Carta’s “English Church,” in England, or of the “Kirk (church) of Scotland,” in Scotland, in order to be able to attend those Temples.

Beside Temples and voting on everything, to run Church meetings at the local level, this ancient “English Church” had “stake presidents” (the “judges” called “Aldermen”) and “high councils” (their “juries”) who had a special formal meeting every three months, regional representatives, General Conferences, General Authorities etc. This “Church” has no resemblance whatsoever to the Catholic Church or to any of the Churches that have split off from it. But, it is identical in its structure to the structure which the Lord said His Church must have when He restored the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

“The English don’t see things that way do they?”

Not nowaday.

“Why?”

In New Learning we find that the authority in England, to run that Country, by its peculiar unwritten Law, can be characterized as a “hot potato,” thrown back and forth between the Parliament and the Monarch. However, when things really get terrible, in this modern hot-potato toss, all fingers point to the Monarch sitting as Socrates’ and Aristotle’s “divine” orthodox politician. For this reason the entire intellectual structure of England has to sit with faces of flint pointed toward France, and through it and that early, first, young Leader of the Franks and his Remaining Politicians from the Roman Empire, to the heyday of the Romans and Greeks and Socrates and Aristotle.

Every once in a while a great mind of the Common Law, like Lord Coke, the Chief Justice, or Blackstone, will come along to show the English people that they really aren’t Greeks or Romans; but that is the exception rather than the rule. The “Court History” of England has the Normans come over from Normandy, France, conquer the Saxons and then bring everything that has any value in English life over to England from France, which got it from Rome and Greece. The “Saxons” are typically pictured in mud-spattered rags being unwillingly and unfairly subjugated, but to their own benefit, by the ruthless yet French-cultured Normans.

It didn’t happen that way; and Blackstone pointed that out; but though his voice raised high, for one brief moment, just as the American Revolution was being organized, his observations were soon overcome by the huge din of all of the orthodoxy worshipers who have to consider that eventually everything that is worth anything comes from Socrates.

“Is that how Americans forgot about Socage?” I know that I had never really heard about it before this Book.

Well, so to speak. You see, Blackstone sort of fell prey to the “Court History” of England that says that the feudalistic Catholic Normans from France came over to England and conquered the feudalistic Catholic Saxons. Believing that “Court History” Blackstone, sensing that Socage survived from before the Norman Conquest, felt that it was “Saxon.” It was big news to the Americans when they were organizing the Revolution, because that fact meant that the King had no right to change it. However, after the War was over and other huge problems arose, Socage lost the limelight. And, in Blackstone’s mind, Socage was a tenure in Saxon Catholic Feudalism. And, although he personally felt that Saxon Catholic Feudalism was far less oppressive upon the individual than Norman Catholic Feudalism, still, to the typical American, of the post-Revolution era, all Catholic Feudalism was the absolute opposite of what he felt that the USA was up to, at that time; so “Socage” just slipped away from the attentions of the American people.

“Now you are saying that the people that the Normans came to conquer in England really weren’t Saxons’?”

Yes.

Well, you’ve said that the people of England really aren’t descendants of the Greeks and the Romans, like one would think that they think that they are, from the way that they talk. But, now you are saying that they are really not even descended from the Saxons very much?”

Yes.

“Well, then, who are they descended from?”

Let’s examine that question this way. Why don’t we ask, “Where do you find people who have a Law where you can’t take that which is theirs from them except by a Twelve-man Jury?”

Well, one category is where people live who originally came from England, such as the USA, Canada, Australia etc.

“Yes.”

Another is England, itself.

“Yes.”

“Is there another place?”

Yes.

“Where is that?”

It is where the English themselves originally came from.

“Where is that?”

Scandinavia. The original home of the “Angles,” the original “Angleland,” is in the middle of the Danish Peninsula. And, just as Scotland, Ireland and the Isle of Man were dominated by Vikings from Norway, in the centuries just before the Norman Conquest, so was “the Kingdom of York” (centered on the city of York) and the Shires to the north and west of it, dominated by these Norwegian Vikings. They took over and assimilated into themselves the sparsely populated Angles who had lived there before them; and that was the reason why these Norwegian Vikings gave the name, “England,” to this land they now dominated, formerly controlled by the, “Angles.”

At the same time, around 870 A.D., when the most-educated groups of people in Norway left that country, to avoid the negative effects of the massive War Effort being planned against the Frankish Empire and Catholicism, and moved to Iceland to found the ancient Commonwealth of Iceland, other large population movements occurred. At nearly that same time perhaps the majority of the people who had been living on the Danish Peninsula moved to England and took over all of the populous southeast of England, north of the Thames, giving this area the name of, “the Danelaw.” They moved to get off of their peninsular homeland, which, thereupon, became the battleground between Catholicism and the Vikings.

All of these people, in their new homes on Britain, the British Isles, Iceland etc., as in their old homes in Norway, Denmark and Sweden, all operated upon the self-same Law, based upon Twelve-man Juries.

As the land was sparsely settled by Angles, north of the Thames river (who lost their identity when that part of Britain was taken over by Scandinavians) so the lands which till today support much slighter populations, south of the Thames, which was the home of the Saxons, were also not absorbed until rather late and then incompletely.

“Well, if that is the case, where did the Normans conquering Saxons story come from?”

That calls for a very long story that we will need to make very short. Just remember that the entire century after the year 1,000 is a most bloody battle between Danish Vikings and Norwegians Vikings, fighting for the position of the Leader of the Crusades. A big move in this direction is made by King Swain of Denmark, when he takes over the ruling of the Danelaw of England and subjects the Saxons in the South. He is followed by his son Canute, who is King of both England and Denmark. Canute’s son by his English wife, Harold Harefoot, first succeeds him in England; then his son by his Norman wife, Hardicanute, succeeds his half-brother; and, finally, his stepson, from his Norman wife, Edward the Confessor, succeeds his half-brother.

That caused a great problem. The Norwegian Vikings did not want the Danes controlling England, because that control gave them the control of the Atlantic waters, south to Gibralter. They didn’t like it when the Danes took over York.

The King of Norway during the middle part of the century after the year 1,000 was the cause of the “Norman Conquest.” He was perhaps the outstanding military man in the World at that time. He had been one of the two Co-rulers of the Navy of the Byzantine Empire, which controlled the Mediterranean at that time. He bought the right to rule Norway from his nephew, with the pillage he took from that command. His nephew had battled the King of Denmark until that King said whoever survived of the two should inherit all three kingdoms, his of Denmark and England and that of Norway, ruled by the nephew of that King, whose name was, Harald.

When that King of Denmark and England died, the Danes in Denmark didn’t want the Norwegian King, so the latter wreaked havoc on Denmark for years. However the Danes in England didn’t want him either, so they brought Canute’s stepson, Edward the Confessor, to the throne and SAID that he ruled partly because of the rights of his real father, the last Saxon King before the Danes took over. That legal trick held off that King Harald for a while who spent his time wreaking havoc on Denmark. However, Edward the Confessor never really did rule England. All of the power was held by the Leader of England’s Danes, Earl Godwin of Wessex. Because of this, the historians of England try to push that Godwin was the resuscitation of Saxon power that, unfortunately, was defeated by the Normans. This all pales in light of the fact that Godwin’s father was a Danish Viking born in Denmark.

When Edward died, Harald of Norway got a huge fleet together and sailed to Norwegian York, where he was welcomed as their King. However, this Harald, so always victorious, so brilliant in his plans, so funny in his wit, so lucky, so able to always read situations right, beside being so big and strong (he was seven feet tall), was caught totally off guard by Godwin’s son Harold (whom England’s Danes had made their King) and killed at Stamford Bridge, by York.

This incredibly lucky, big, smart etc. military leader, was the man who had been given England; he was supposed to be the King. Instead his insignificant ally, from the Norwegian Colony on the south of the Channel, who finally got to England with a much smaller fleet, beat Godwin’s exhausted son, Harold, at Hastings; and he, from out of nowhere, became the King of England, by default, as, “William the Conqueror.”

This nobody from nowhere, who just let himself be swept along in all of the big doings, of all of the Norwegian Vikings on almost all parts of the Atlantic coasts of Europe, was totally caught up in the switch-over that all of the Norwegian Vikings were undertaking. They stopped calling themselves, “Vikings” and started calling themselves, “Crusaders.” And, all-fatefully, they all gave up the heart of their old ways of doing things together, of “working together,” and went over to doing things the way that things were done in the lands they now set out to conquer, those around the Mediterranean Sea. That way that things were done in those lands, of course, was by Socrates’ refinements that are the concept of “money.”

The “Free Sokemen” of England, whom William the Conqueror created such a nuisance for, in William’s survey of these people, which William called, the “Domesday Book,” could only take so much of the flimsy Statecraft concepts being shoved down their throats, that William’s heirs and their friends picked up on their Mediterranean adventures. Finally, these Sokemen got their Earls to “arrest” William’s heir, King John, bring him to Runemede Island, and have him, “seal on earth and in heaven,” with his “Great Seal of England,” the Magna Carta.

What the word, “Socage,” Means

With this background we are now in a position to come to grips with that question, “What does that word, ‘Socage,’ mean”?
As we have said, the general American public found itself in so many problems after the Revolution got really heated up that their attention was forced to other things.

Even the astute could only hold onto Blackstone pointing to the thrilling heroism of the concept of Socage for so long. The framework that Blackstone had presented it in, of Saxon Catholic Feudalism, was so foreign, even antithetical, to that which Americans could identify with, that it could command no sustainable interest. “Feudalism” was the worst thing that Americans had ever heard of. And, “Catholicism” was what produced “Feudalism.” No hope for any lasting interest in Socage! Blackstone was our “expert,” and he put Socage in the framework of Saxon Catholic Feudalism. Americans turn away in utter boredom at the thought of Catholicism’s Feudalism; and the thought of the mud-spattered, dim-witted Saxons brought to mind a sad picture of a sad situation out of a sad history that was, perhaps, a disgusting part of the “History,” that had been told to them (that is, that had been told to many of them).

However, exactly 100 years after the time when America’s War of Independence was being fought, William Stubbs in England (who was later ordained the Bishop of Oxford) founded the Systematic Study of English Medieval Constitutional History by writing his major work, “The Constitutional History of England in Its Origin and Development.” On page 218 he writes, “For the word ‘law’ itself we are, it is said, indebted to the Danes.” And, as true as it is that the British Isles and Scandinavia share a Law System based on Twelve-man Juries, so it is that throughout them both there is the same name for that system: “Law.” However, what is all-important to us is what he says on the footnote of that page. There he says, “Free socage, the very tenure of which is sometimes supposed to have been peculiarly a relic of Anglo-Saxon liberty, appears to have been absolutely unknown except among the Anglo-Danes.”

“Well now, that really could change things; couldn’t it?”

With their faces set like flint, through France to Rome, English historians to this day quibble that the “Saxon” word “soc” just had to be the Old Italian word for a “plough,” all in the framework of the powerful yet clever Frankish Norman putting upon the conquered “Saxon” his Greco-Roman burden to do farming chores etc., which, though cruel, was still for his own good.

Their whole scenario is off-base.

“You mean that that word, ‘soc,’ MIGHT be a Danish word?”

Certainly.

“Is what the word, ‘soc,’ means a difficult thing to understand, among the Danes or other Scandinavians?”

No.

“Well, what does it mean?”

Every “Commune” in Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Sweden, and Finland is called a, “soc,” to this day.

“Really, you mean that all that the word ‘soc’ means in all of Scandinavia is, ‘Commune’?”

Yes.

“But, why call a Commune a ‘soc’?”

Well, in all Scandinavian Languages the word, “soc,” means “seek.” The Scandinavian Languages are all first cousins of English. We can see the relationship between “soc” and “seek” in the English past tense of “seek”: “sought.”

“But, why do they call “Communes,” “seeks,” in Scandinavia?”

We can find that answer in the Swedish Atlas, “Atlas Över Sverige,” published by the “Svenska Sällskapet for Antropologi och Geografi” in 1953.
There, under the heading “Kyrksocknarna,” “The Church Communes,” we find these words:

“Frågan om socknens ursprung, älder och funktion är omstridd. Enligt gängse uppfatning skulle socken beteckna ‘område, vårs befolkning söker sig at sama håll ...’”

That translates into English as follows:
“The question about the origin, age and function of the ‘soc’ is hotly debated. According to the common understanding of the matter the word ‘soc’ means ‘an area whose people are all seeking the same direction.’”

“Well, what is it that they are all ‘seeking’?”

Oh, that’s easy. They all “seek” the “Sake.”

“They are ‘seeking’ the ‘Sake’?”

Yes. In both the Scandinavian Languages and English the word “sake” means what you “seek.” In Scandinavia, in Wartime, for example, they will say, “Giv all for Saken!” “Give everything for ‘the Sake’ (or the ‘Purpose,’ ‘Sak-en’ in Swedish) of the Country!”

“In Scandinavia the word ‘Sake’ means ‘the Purpose of the Country’ that everybody is supposed to be ‘seeking’?”

Yes.

“And everybody in Scandinavia knows what the Purpose of their Country is?”

Yes.

“Well, how did they all find out?” “We could really use that here in the United States, where we don’t have One Purpose!”

Well, everybody in Scandinavia has the ORIGINAL CHARTER OF LAW. They have, written down, there, where their Twelve-man Juries come from; where Parliaments, Gilds, Voting, Rights etc. come from; and, most of all, what the PURPOSE OF LAW is.

“Well, where did they get that ORIGINAL CHARTER?”


THE “ORIGINAL CHARTER”

Up to about the year 1,000 A.D. all of the people of Scandinavia worked together on the basis of all being in the same BUSINESS one with another. This included the people of Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, almost all of the British Isles and other Colonies.

They worked together on the basis of all being in the same BUSINESS with one another because in those days they all had and used the “Original Charter of the Law,” which had written on it the PURPOSE OF THE LAW. Because they all had the same, one PURPOSE, on their Business Charter, they were all one BUSINESS. Greco-Roman GOVERNMENT was entirely unused among them. (So, as we have seen, modern Americans are always talking about getting GOVERNMENT out and letting BUSINESS run things. But, they will never be able to until they all have a knowledge of and all subscribe to the single PURPOSE of their Law again, just as all of their Scandinavian Ancestors did, up to about the year 1,000 A.D.)

At about the year 1,000 all Scandinavians decided to stop working together strictly as a BUSINESS and allowed the Greco-Roman idea of GOVERNMENT into their lives instead. Prior to that their lives had all been “business-like”; from then on their lives would be mostly “fooling around.”

“Money” is not “Business.” “Money” is a Greco-Roman word and concept. “Business” is, originally, a Viking word and concept. “Money” has NOTHING TO DO with “Business.” “Money” is created by Greco-Roman Government telling people that they CANNOT KNOW what their own PURPOSE is. “Business” is created by a group of people all coming to a knowledge of and subscribing to the same PURPOSE.

The hundred years after the year 1,000 A.D. was a very bloody 100 years for the Scandinavian peoples. During that 100 years they decided to introduce Greco-Roman GOVERNMENT among themselves so that after they conquered the Mediterranean Sea area (during what others named, the “Crusades”), with all of its trade, they would know how to administer it, with Greco-Roman GOVERNMENT or, in one word, “Money.”

That bloody 100 years ended with them essentially accomplishing their goal with their victory in the First Crusade. It was such a bloody 100 years IN Scandinavia, though, because in order to introduce “money” and Greco-Roman Government there, they had to DESTROY the copies of the Original Charter of the Law with everyone’s PURPOSE written down on it. This occurred during those 100 years except in Scandinavia’s very remote outpost across the Atlantic, on the fringe of America. That was Iceland.

Of course Iceland had to hand in all of its copies of the “Original Charter” to the Leaders of the Norwegian Vikings when the decision was made to change life among Scandinavians over from being strictly “business-like” to being mostly “fooling around,” that is, with the introduction of Money. But, there was a peculiarity in Iceland. The Ancestors of the Icelanders, who had first come there from Norway, were the most educated people in Norway. They left when they saw that life there was getting to be just more and more “fooling around,” as Scandinavia got ready for what it thought was a final showdown with Catholicism. They took all of their vast resources for learning with them from Norway to Iceland and have remained there in Iceland, as an entire people, the Most Educated Country in the World ever since. An example of this may be in place. The best place in the world to be from, with one exception, if you are of European extraction and want to know your Genealogy, is New England. Since the people of New England have been very orderly and literate from the beginning, have kept very thorough records and have had no Wars there that have destroyed their Records, a person may find a Record for nearly every one of his/her Ancestors who lived there, all of the way back to when New England was founded by the Pilgrims, in 1620 A.D. There is NOTHING like that available to any other people of European descent, with one exception. That one exception is Iceland. There is a record of every Icelander who has ever lived there. Every modern person of Icelandic blood may trace his or her ancestry back to the day when those first educated people from Norway came there, to found Iceland, in 870 A.D.

So, the Icelanders all handed in all of their copies of the Original Charter of the Law to the Leaders of Norway, to be destroyed, in the year 1,000 A.D. However, because they were all so educated, it is presumed that 100% of all Icelanders have been literate throughout the entire history of Iceland, THEY ALL REMEMBERED THE STORY.

When the Crusaders from Northwest Europe won the Fourth Crusade, in the year 1204, they at last had destroyed their more than a millennium-old Mortal Enemy, the Byzantine-Roman Empire. At that time they began to rule it. Now they had become the “Ultimate Issuing Authority” behind European Money in place of the Byzantines. This required, at the least, a very vicious extirpation of any remaining idea that the people of Northwest Europe still retained of what their PURPOSE was. When the Crusader Normans who ran England tried that in England they found that the Danish people in the Danelaw of Eastern England had grown to such numbers in that lush, fertile place that they and their Earls could force a termination of that effort. It was, then, these Free Sokemen, or “Commune Men,” from the Communes of the “Weapontakes” of the Danelaw, in England, who forced King John to sign the Magna Carta.

The people of Iceland were not quite so lucky. In their relatively barren land they had not multiplied in like strength as the Anglo-Danes of England’s Danelaw. They were relatively easy prey to the ruthless Crusader Normans, sent to Iceland, in these same times that produced the Magna Carta in England, to destroy there any surviving memory of the Purpose of Law. This was done quite completely, even bringing a temporary halt to the operations of the Parliament of the Commonwealth of Iceland, that had begun its operations in 930 A.D.

However, as these efforts progressed, to strengthen the concept of “Money” throughout Europe, by utterly destroying any remaining knowledge that the people of Northern Europe might have retained of the “Purpose” of their Law, they came upon what turned out to be an impossibility for their project, in the person of the man, Snorri Sturlusson, who had served as the High Steward of Iceland’s Commonwealth at the time the Magna Carta was signed, in England. The more that the Crusader Normans decreed that all knowledge of the Original Charter of the Law should be destroyed, the more this High Steward of the Law in Iceland “wrote it down.”

At last, in desperation the King of Norway ordered that this High Steward be killed. He was finally killed on September 22, 1241 A.D., but not before he had written down a quite complete copy of the ORIGINAL CHARTER OF THE LAW, which his friends in Iceland succeeded in hiding until long after the pressure was off. As a matter of fact, in a little more than 250 years, the pressure had turned the other way.

The Kaiser and the Pope wanted to take authority away from the Traditional Rulers of Northern Europe, around the year, 1500 A.D. They were doing this with their standard, age-old assertion of Socrates that none of the people had any idea at all what was good for them, that all of the rest of the people could agree with. The people of the “Sokes” or “Communes” of Scandinavia, on the other hand, in general had hung on, with an almost incredible tenacity, to every scrap of the tradition of their ancient Ancestors, in resistance to this universal assertion of Socrates that is the essence of the Catholicism that they all hated so desperately.

During these times, just before the 1500’s, when the Kaiser and the Pope were trying to reassert their authority over the Money of all of Europe, by their same “tried and always proven effective” assertions of Socrates and his fellow ancient Greek Philosophers, the King of Denmark was getting desperate as to what in the world he could do to protect his traditional base of power from the Kaiser and the Pope.

At this moment of his considerable distress, an Icelander got the word to him that the High Steward of Iceland, that had led Iceland at the time of the Magna Carta uprising in England, had written down almost the entirety of the Original Charter of Law.

At hearing this, the King had Copies of it duplicated and distributed throughout his Realm of Denmark, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, all joined under one King at that time, to be prepared against the ominous-seeming scheme that the Kaiser and the Pope seemed to be plotting. Eventually a Copy of that High Steward of Iceland’s Original Charter of the Law was eagerly welcomed into, and, with the Bible, made the heart of, nearly every home in Scandinavia, like a dearly beloved, long-lost child, who was long ago despaired of but who suddenly appeared back again at the house’s door.

With that heart-felt acceptance into the homes of almost all Scandinavians, the name of that former High Steward of Iceland, Snorri Sturlusson, became household words throughout Scandinavia, and almost all of the details of his Original Charter of the Law are now known by all Scandinavians. But, there is a catch.

All Scandinavians identified with this Original Charter very much. It explained where all of their Parliaments came from, where Juries came from, where all of their Rights came from, all of their Traditions, Folk Customs, Practices, Holidays, old way of Writing, their most ancient Monuments, the place-names in these Countries etc. etc. BUT, Scandinavians aren’t supermen. They are very human. The Original Charter is in form a wonderful, beautiful “Story.” Scandinavians delight in telling it, for all of the incredible number of explanations it gives for so many of the features of life in Scandinavia; however, on top of that, they hardly expect that the rest of the world would actually anticipate that they BELIEVE the Story.

They love the Story; they love to tell it; they love to talk about it; but they DON’T believe it.

Instead they treat the Story of the Original Charter of Law in, quite nearly, the same way that Americans treat the story of Santa Claus (which story is, indeed, contained in the Story of the Original Charter). They tell the story to their children; it has been required learning in Schools throughout Scandinavia, now, for a long while. They drill them in it and expect them to know it. They take tourists to the places where it was all supposed to have happened; they tell the tourists the Story; and then they have a big laugh. To them it is a joke, a joke that pervades life in Scandinavia, but a joke none-the-less.

This Story shows the origin of the “fairy tales” of the Germanic race, such as were collected by the Grimm Brothers in Germany. Indeed, we could say that the Scandinavians treat that Story in the same way that Americans do Fairy Tales.

Mormon Genealogy Work

When the Lord restored the Church He said that the “first responsibility” of the Latter-day Saints was “to seek after their dead”: to do Genealogy Work and learn of their Ancestors. Accordingly they began slowly putting together a more and more complete picture of where the Records of their Ancestors were. Before long they made a discovery. Almost all of the important Genealogical Records, of the People of Northern Europe, were kept in the Commune Meetinghouses of all of the thousands of tiny Communes into which all of “Germanic” or Nordic Europe is divided. So the Church undertook a massive program to microfilm all of these Commune Records throughout Europe. It then bored a Tunnel into a solid granite mountain near Salt Lake City and stored those precious Records in Vaults reached by the Tunnel. If a nuclear explosion went off at the door of the Tunnel, it still would not damage these very Valuable Records of Europe’s Communes inside. This is, incomparably, the ultimate authority on Earth as to what the true “-ISM” of the COMMUNES of Europe is.

The assembly of those Commune Records, into these Vaults, is largely the work of one man. His name was Archibald F. Bennett. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints formally advertised Archibald F. Bennett as, “the man who probably knew more about Genealogy than any man who has ever lived.”

In the early days of his career, in the early 1930’s, Archibald F. Bennett used to say that it was possible to prove that the Story in the Original Charter of the Law was not a fairy tale but THAT IT WAS TRUE. It could be proven by all of the most ancient Germanic Genealogies kept all over Europe. Toward the end of his career, in the early 1960’s, he used to say that it was possible to prove that the Story of the Original Charter was TRUE, THAT IT COULD BE DEFINITIVELY PROVEN THAT IT WAS TRUE FROM ALL OF THE COMMUNE RECORDS THAT HE HAD GATHERED FROM EVERY CORNER OF EUROPE.

“So, what is the Story of the Original Charter of the Law?” ... (to be continued...)
I and the Lord's company own your property, because of your missing purpose, which is something easy for you to fix, join our purpose, and your property gets deeded back as a Socage Stewardship.

There is a crack forming in your private property propaganda box.

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Darren wrote:I will summarize here: Your absolute principles are absolutely wrong.
Yes, and the Moon is made of blue cheese. Prove it.
Darren wrote:You own nothing that you say is private property, and I can separate you from it with 3 words, "Seek the Lord." ... Can you say the same thing? ...

Ok, now bye, bye to your purposeless, private property ownership.
The Lord made you a steward of your property. So for the purposes of the world you represent God with regards to your property, and are its owner before the world.

So don't confuse the issue please with your sophistry.

The principle of Private Property is the principle of agency against which Satan and you are fighting. It didn't end well for Satan though, don’t follow in his footsteps. It leads to hell, friend.
Darren wrote:I and the Lord's company own your property, because of your missing purpose, which is something easy for you to fix, join our purpose, and your property gets deeded back as a Socage Stewardship.
You do not own my property because you fight against the Lord by trampling Justice and Liberty. The only thing you own on this course is hell, and only for the purpose of your torment. Learn this.
Darren wrote:There is a crack forming in your private property propaganda box.
No. There is a crack forming in your destroy private property and agency propaganda box. Satan was the first who started it, and you are carrying on his work on this point. Hell is the end of this road, and you are on it, friend.

What you do not understand is that Private Property, in its broadest definition, is another name for the agency of man. An issue over which God was willing to cast out one third of his children because they rebelled against it. This God takes very seriously. And you are clueless about it. It will not end well for you if you continue this way, because there is no limit to which God will not go to preserve agency i.e. Private Property of his children.

And since Private Property is the extension of self-ownership of man, the ownership that God cannot violate without ceasing to be God, therefore Private Property is Justice and Liberty. More specifically:

Non-violation of Private Property is Justice. And
The right to do with your own property what you please as long as you do not violate the property of another is Liberty.


Without Private Property, i.e. agency, no virtue has any meaning. It is the core and the source of every virtue, godly attribute or right.

By abolishing Private Property you abolish Justice, Liberty, Virtue, and every purpose of God.

God does not look kindly on this. Eternal hell-fire is the reward he prepared for those who fight against it. It is according to his own word.

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Once Jesus Christ walks into the room your private property rights are over, for your part of this planet, and purpose becomes paramount. At that point it's only about stewardship. Satan, who has amassed so much of the world's material possessions under his occupation plan looses everything and discovers what Outer Darkness is.

The Cleansing means that Jesus is showing up, to bring all property into the kingdom and to hand out stewardships. What are we doing to begin to live that way? Could this happen in our lifetime? And if not, will we be judged for the system we choose to promote?

Gold and silver coins find their real purpose post The Cleansing, and are seen for what they represent pre-The Cleansing.

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Darren wrote:Once Jesus Christ walks into the room your private property rights are over,
I can't begin to express how wrong you are. Self-ownership is eternal and infinite. It never ends. If God tried to end it he would cease to be God. So you are profoundly wrong!
Darren wrote:for your part of this planet, and purpose becomes paramount. At that point it's only about stewardship.
It is part of wise stewardship to establish sound and honest 100% commodity based monetary system in this world where not all men are angels. A stewardship and responsibility which you deny but the prophets reassert.
Darren wrote:Satan, who has amassed so much of the world's material possessions under his occupation plan looses everything and discovers what Outer Darkness is.
Satan never was rightful owner of anything he claims on this earth. Why? Because whatever he has is stolen stuff, nothing more, and he will lose it as God lives, because God respects property rights of his children to whom he gave things.
Darren wrote:The Cleansing means that Jesus is showing up, to bring all property into the kingdom and to hand out stewardships.
Even now he owns the earth and everything on it, which still means that you are his agent in managing your property on earth, and represent him, the owner, to the world with regards to your property. So the principle still stands.
Darren wrote:What are we doing to begin to live that way?
Start by respecting the words of ancient and modern prophets who said it was both wise and just in this world where locks are needed, to establish and honest and stable 100% commodity based monetary system. Start by respecting their words instead of despising them.
Darren wrote:Could this happen in our lifetime? And if not, will we be judged for the system we choose to promote?
Or a just system approved by prophets that we fight against like you do.
Darren wrote:Gold and silver coins find their real purpose post The Cleansing, and are seen for what they represent pre-The Cleansing.
Which is Justice and Liberty.

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Darren wrote:Once Jesus Christ walks into the room your private property rights are over, for your part of this planet, and purpose becomes paramount. At that point it's only about stewardship. Satan, who has amassed so much of the world's material possessions under his occupation plan looses everything and discovers what Outer Darkness is.

The Cleansing means that Jesus is showing up, to bring all property into the kingdom and to hand out stewardships. What are we doing to begin to live that way? Could this happen in our lifetime? And if not, will we be judged for the system we choose to promote?

Gold and silver coins find their real purpose post The Cleansing, and are seen for what they represent pre-The Cleansing.

God Bless,
Darren
Reading Section 104 last night...and reaffirmed to me your comments. Appreciate your input here and the reminder about where things are really at...the fundamental purpose and real solutions to the problems.

Verse 86 captures the heart of it...
I give unto you this privilege, this once; and behold, if you proceed to do the things which I have laid before you, according to my commandments, all these things are mine, and ye are my stewards, and the master will not suffer his house to be broken up. Even so. Amen.
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Jason wrote:Reading Section 104 last night...and reaffirmed to me your comments. Appreciate your input here and the reminder about where things are really at...the fundamental purpose and real solutions to the problems.

Verse 86 captures the heart of it...
I give unto you this privilege, this once; and behold, if you proceed to do the things which I have laid before you, according to my commandments, all these things are mine, and ye are my stewards, and the master will not suffer his house to be broken up. Even so. Amen.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testa ... 4?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes we are his stewards as to the things of this world. But:
  • a) for the purposes of the world we represent him regarding the property he gave us, and
    b) your self-ownership is infinite and eternal. And God cannot violate it (nor does he have any desire to do it), or he would have ceased to be God.
And self-ownership is the ultimate Private Property, for that is where it comes from. It comes from God.

So the principle of Private Property (thus broadly defined) is the principle of Godliness. This is why God was willing to cast out one third of his children from heaven because they rebelled against this very principle. This principle does not end "when Jesus walks into the room;" instead it is reasserted.

So to summarize, under these broad definitions:
  • Private Property = Self Ownership of man = the Agency of man.
These three are one and the same.

And this is why

  • Non-violation of Private Property is Justice.
    And the right to do with your own property as you please, as long as you do not violate the property of another, is the definition of Liberty.
Thus Private Property, defines both Justice and Liberty, and they have zero meaning without it.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

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LoveIsTruth wrote:
Jason wrote:Reading Section 104 last night...and reaffirmed to me your comments. Appreciate your input here and the reminder about where things are really at...the fundamental purpose and real solutions to the problems.

Verse 86 captures the heart of it...
I give unto you this privilege, this once; and behold, if you proceed to do the things which I have laid before you, according to my commandments, all these things are mine, and ye are my stewards, and the master will not suffer his house to be broken up. Even so. Amen.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testa ... 4?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes we are his stewards as to the things of this world. But:
  • a) for the purposes of the world we represent him regarding the property he gave us, and
    b) your self-ownership is infinite and eternal. And God cannot violate it (nor does he have any desire to do it), or he would have ceased to be God.
And self-ownership is the ultimate Private Property, for that is where it comes from. It comes from God.

So the principle of Private Property (thus broadly defined) is the principle of Godliness. This is why God was willing to cast out one third of his children from heaven because they rebelled against this very principle. This principle does not end "when Jesus walks into the room;" instead it is reasserted.

So to summarize, under these broad definitions:
  • Private Property = Self Ownership of man = the Agency of man.
These three are one and the same.

And this is why

  • Non-violation of Private Property is Justice.
    And the right to do with your own property as you please, as long as you do not violate the property of another, is the definition of Liberty.
Thus Private Property, defines both Justice and Liberty, and they have zero meaning without it.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
Amen on that last one....

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