Why are so many members Liberals?

[Jason]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGzP_Z8ntSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XR_LHxzpUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd0Vwg6DVPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNi1uwryfL0

[Jason]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0Ms7mId34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soRbQvCLlco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNLkIkexHww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXD3bAbZCow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mMuqjQsxEc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGKUpJbhnWk

[AussieOi]

(20 youtube video clips explaining why members might not be able to identify with conservatives)

[Squally]

I'm learning the Control Panel. I've made some changes for a better peace of mind, and less waste of my time.

I'm moving over to this other thread.

http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 19&t=10544

You'll find me there.

Tony, I hope you are not going to block anyone who doesn't agree with you. Blocking people you don't agree with is like plugging your ears and saying nananana boobooo. IMO. A forum worth anything is for discussion and debate! I think that even members can have varying opinions!! Do you believe otherwise?

[Jason]

I'm learning the Control Panel. I've made some changes for a better peace of mind, and less waste of my time.

I'm moving over to this other thread.

http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 19&t=10544

You'll find me there.

Tony, I hope you are not going to block anyone who doesn't agree with you. Blocking people you don't agree with is like plugging your ears and saying nananana boobooo. IMO. A forum worth anything is for discussion and debate! I think that even members can have varying opinions!! Do you believe otherwise?

Aw let him go at it....total reflection of character! Just stating that he wants to live in his own little world with his own perspective and doesn't want any disruptions to it.......good number of Americans in the same boat.

I've been going back and forth with a DC lawyer/investor who I've known for awhile. At first he was curious about why I believed WTCs were blown up. Having done a little welding and cutting of steel he agreed that there was no way that fire could have brought the buildings down....but then after realizing what it would do to his belief system (Democrat who helped found Freddie and Fannie in the 70's)....he completely reversed direction and won't discuss it anymore.

[Squally]

I've been going back and forth with a DC lawyer/investor who I've known for awhile. At first he was curious about why I believed WTCs were blown up. Having done a little welding and cutting of steel he agreed that there was no way that fire could have brought the buildings down....but then after realizing what it would do to his belief system (Democrat who helped found Freddie and Fannie in the 70's)....he completely reversed direction and won't discuss it anymore.

lol
Yes, this reminds me of a few Athiests on my mission who hardlined their belief and stance with me in no uncertain terms until the Lord started breaking down their belief system by the power of the spirit. They would begin to show symptoms of softening and say statements that showed cracks in their beliefs as they said things like "well maybe there is a God" and start dancing all over the place with thier word, etc..... and as quick as can be when they started losing ground via the spirit of truth, they would decide the conversation didn't suit them anymore because they would have to actually change their perspective and heart and maybe even act differently. End of discussion.

Some would even cover their ears and say nanana boobooo.

But that's okay, I figured there will probably come a day when they feel the desire and seek for the truth regardless of the cost.

[Jason]

I've been going back and forth with a DC lawyer/investor who I've known for awhile. At first he was curious about why I believed WTCs were blown up. Having done a little welding and cutting of steel he agreed that there was no way that fire could have brought the buildings down....but then after realizing what it would do to his belief system (Democrat who helped found Freddie and Fannie in the 70's)....he completely reversed direction and won't discuss it anymore.

lol
Yes, this reminds me of a few Athiests on my mission who hardlined their belief and stance with me in no uncertain terms until the Lord started breaking down their belief system by the power of the spirit. They would begin to show symptoms of softening and say statements that showed cracks in their beliefs as they said things like "well maybe there is a God" and start dancing all over the place with thier word, etc..... and as quick as can be when they started losing ground via the spirit of truth, they would decide the conversation didn't suit them anymore because they would have to actually change their perspective and heart and maybe even act differently. End of discussion.

Some would even cover their ears and say nanana boobooo.

But that's okay, I figured there will probably come a day when they feel the desire and seek for the truth regardless of the cost.

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is The Christ!

[Squally]

I've been going back and forth with a DC lawyer/investor who I've known for awhile. At first he was curious about why I believed WTCs were blown up. Having done a little welding and cutting of steel he agreed that there was no way that fire could have brought the buildings down....but then after realizing what it would do to his belief system (Democrat who helped found Freddie and Fannie in the 70's)....he completely reversed direction and won't discuss it anymore.

lol
Yes, this reminds me of a few Athiests on my mission who hardlined their belief and stance with me in no uncertain terms until the Lord started breaking down their belief system by the power of the spirit. They would begin to show symptoms of softening and say statements that showed cracks in their beliefs as they said things like "well maybe there is a God" and start dancing all over the place with thier word, etc..... and as quick as can be when they started losing ground via the spirit of truth, they would decide the conversation didn't suit them anymore because they would have to actually change their perspective and heart and maybe even act differently. End of discussion.

Some would even cover their ears and say nanana boobooo.

But that's okay, I figured there will probably come a day when they feel the desire and seek for the truth regardless of the cost.

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is The Christ!

Will this be by choice or because they are compelled?

[Jason]

lol
Yes, this reminds me of a few Athiests on my mission who hardlined their belief and stance with me in no uncertain terms until the Lord started breaking down their belief system by the power of the spirit. They would begin to show symptoms of softening and say statements that showed cracks in their beliefs as they said things like "well maybe there is a God" and start dancing all over the place with thier word, etc..... and as quick as can be when they started losing ground via the spirit of truth, they would decide the conversation didn't suit them anymore because they would have to actually change their perspective and heart and maybe even act differently. End of discussion.

Some would even cover their ears and say nanana boobooo.

But that's okay, I figured there will probably come a day when they feel the desire and seek for the truth regardless of the cost.

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is The Christ!

Will this be by choice or because they are compelled?

Reckon that will be up to the individual.....but either way....it will happen!

[AussieOi]

Will this be by choice or because they are compelled?

maybe along the lines of ..."well if you want to be resurrected, then you........"??

speculation I know. will be interesting to see
Will this be by choice or because they are compelled?[/quote]

[AussieOi]

Will this be by choice or because they are compelled?

wondering if this was ever settled??

[lundbaek]

I just yesterday learned that one of the most highly respected (for his success as a lawyer) men in our ward and stake and a former bishop is a liberal and supported Bill Clinton. And I have reason to suspect a second (of three) lawyer in our ward and former branch president of the Hispanic Branch in our stake has socialist persuasions in addition to being pro amnesty and supportive of illegal immigrants remaining here.

[clarkkent14]

Will this be by choice or because they are compelled?

It will be by choice. (Alma 36) Alma the Younger had three days of being exposed to the whole Law, until finally he confessed! "He suffered the pains of a damned soul; he called upon the name of Jesus, and was then born of God."

When a damned soul is "racked with eternal torment" they will start to believe in Christ real quick... I recommend this talk by Boyd K. Packer, "The Touch of the Master's Hand."

That's why Alma understood this principle so well: "Alma 34:13 Therefore, it is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice, and then shall there be, or it is expedient there should be, a astop to the shedding of bblood; then shall the claw of Moses be fulfilled; yea, it shall be all fulfilled, every jot and tittle, and none shall have passed away.
14 And behold, this is the whole ameaning of the blaw, every whit cpointing to that great and last dsacrifice; and that great and last esacrifice will be the Son of God, yea, finfinite and eternal.
15 And thus he shall bring asalvation to all those who shall believe on his name; this being the intent of this last sacrifice, to bring about the bowels of mercy, which overpowereth justice, and bringeth about means unto men that they may have faith unto repentance."
16 And thus amercy can satisfy the demands of bjustice, and encircles them in the arms of safety, while he that exercises no faith unto repentance is exposed to the whole law of the demands of cjustice; therefore only unto him that has faith unto repentance is brought about the great and eternal dplan of eredemption.
17 Therefore may God grant unto you, my brethren, that ye may begin to exercise your afaith unto repentance, that ye begin to bcall upon his holy name, that he would have mercy upon you;
18 Yea, cry unto him for mercy; for he is amighty to save."

Braveheart has a scene where William Wallace is Racked.

We either humble ourselves, or we are compelled to be humble. Christ will not compell us, but being expose to the demands of justice, being racked with torment, will drive us to our knees. This is why there are so few that will be "Sons of Perdition" Those who refuse to repent, they reject Christ and His offering.

One of my favorite passages of scripture, "Now, as my mind caught hold upon this thought, I cried within my heart: O Jesus, thou Son of God, have mercy on me"

[shadow]

I just yesterday learned that one of the most highly respected (for his success as a lawyer) men in our ward and stake and a former bishop is a liberal and supported Bill Clinton. And I have reason to suspect a second (of three) lawyer in our ward and former branch president of the Hispanic Branch in our stake has socialist persuasions in addition to being pro amnesty and supportive of illegal immigrants remaining here.

And Elder Richard G. Scott supported Mitt Romney for president (probably not the only apostle that did so either). Elder Marlin Jensen is a democrat. The mission president for the Ogden Utah mission is for amnesty too, or at least his tone highly suggests that. I guess political persuasion doesn't have much of a factor in qualifying or disqualifying those who serve in high callings. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Mahonri]

ya, our private behavior has nothing to do with our worthiness.

[lundbaek]

Then there was the Area 70 in Nevada who tried to organize firesides at which Senator Harry Reid was to speak and share his testimony. CHH put us on to that one, which a friend and I confirmed thru email and telecon.

I appears that “Next to being one in worshiping God, there is nothing in this world upon which this Church should be more united than in upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States,” (President David O. McKay, February 1956, The Instructor, 91:34) is no longer true. Shadow's last post here reminds me of an order attributed to Union Civil War Admiral David Glasgoe Farragut: "Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes." It seems some among us are going full speed ahead and damn the Constitution.

[GeeR]

It seems some among us are going full speed ahead and damn the Constitution.

Just the Latter-day aints.

[Squally]

ya, our private behavior has nothing to do with our worthiness.

So if I privately support:
abortion for all
hiring illegals
homosexual marriage
socialism (all forms of govt taking to give to others)
redristribution of wealth
corporatism/ corporate corruption
supporting secret combinations

It's all good! Why should this have any effect on my standing before God or in his church? Afterall I can have any views politically I want, correct?

[Mahonri]

ya, our private behavior has nothing to do with our worthiness.

So if I privately support:
abortion for all
hiring illegals
homosexual marriage
socialism (all forms of govt taking to give to others)
redristribution of wealth
corporatism/ corporate corruption
supporting secret combinations

It's all good! Why should this have any effect on my standing before God or in his church? Afterall I can have any views politically I want, correct?

That's what Shadow seems to think.

[shadow]

That's what Shadow seems to think.

Actually, the more you post the more shadow seems to think you're an idiot 8) .
So you guys are saying that Elder Scott shouldn't be an apostle? Quite a bold assumption. Have fun voting against sustaining him this weekend . I'm not sure why Brian allows you apostates to keep posting

[Mahonri]

That's what Shadow seems to think.

Actually, the more you post the more shadow seems to think you're an idiot 8) .
So you guys are saying that Elder Scott shouldn't be an apostle? Quite a bold assumption. Have fun voting against sustaining him this weekend . I'm not sure why Brian allows you apostates to keep posting

funny, I have been wondering the same exact things about you 8)

[Black Swan]

That's what Shadow seems to think.

Actually, the more you post the more shadow seems to think you're an idiot 8) .
So you guys are saying that Elder Scott shouldn't be an apostle? Quite a bold assumption. Have fun voting against sustaining him this weekend . I'm not sure why Brian allows you apostates to keep posting

Just picked one random post, though there are plenty to draw from between a couple of parties here.

Meek: Respect for others agency is an important characteristic of the meek. The meek can be trusted with great power. Nephi, son of Helaman is a great example of meekness. Given the sealing power, he uses it wisely and with restraint. Only the meek are trusted with such power. The proud, however, like to wield their influence over others by trashing others agency. The meek do not gratify their pride; do not hold vain ambition, or exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness. But many of us do.

D&C 121: 39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.

So if you want to move forward use persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; By kindness, and pure knowledge.

[Mahonri]

Thanks Black Swan (I almost shortened it to the acronym, but thought better ), I was part of that and needed to be put in my place. Appreciate it.

[AussieOi]

abortion for all ...which increased under Republican govts of Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush
hiring illegals ...which increased under Republican govts of Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush
homosexual marriage ...which increased in prominence under Republican govts of Bush & Bush
socialism (all forms of govt taking to give to others) ...which increased under Republican govts of Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush
redristribution of wealth ...which increased under Republican govts of Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush
corporatism/ corporate corruption ...which increased under Republican govts of Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush
supporting secret combinations ...which increased under Republican govts of Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush

and all continued through Clinton and now Obama

[iamse7en]

And Elder Richard G. Scott supported Mitt Romney for president (probably not the only apostle that did so either). Elder Marlin Jensen is a democrat.

I'm sure Elder Scott isn't the only one. Is he on record for saying he supported Mitt for president? I bet most of them do. I sure do miss the days when our leaders would speak on political liberty in General Conference. Why do you think they don't speak as much about it? I'm sure there are other many discussions on this forum about it, but how do you believe the "elders of this Church" will rise up and save the constitution will be fulfilled? With Romney in the race, the elders are blinded, so I know it's not going to happen in the near-term.

That is unless Romney withdraws and endorses Ron Paul.