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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby A Random Phrase » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:31 pm

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby SAM » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:10 pm

Loved your remarks, Called to Serve and A Random Phrase! I get that it makes a lot of people uncomfortable in our culture, but people don't breastfeed in public uncovered out of disrespect. I wish we would stop teaching our children that there is anything indecent or wrong with it. Then, it wouldn't be an issue, it would just be normal. The reason this particular issue caught my eye is that recently, I had to pull a Primary teacher aside and ask her to stop nursing her baby uncovered during sharing time. She teaches the oldest class and is in the back corner of the room. Until someone brought it to my attention, I never even noticed it. I really didn't want to have to do anything about it, but there were a few people really concerned about the older boys especially who might see something. I say, let them learn to deal with it, but I decided just to talk to the teacher. You see, we live in Southern AZ and about 75% of the year, no one wants any extra layer on them around here, even a thin nursing cover. Besides, once my babies have reached a certain age, they start pulling the blankets and moving them around and I am exposed sometimes whether I like it or not. This teacher was really really understanding and we both decided the best way to deal with it was for her to step outside of sharing time for a few minutes and breast feed somewhere else, but I felt bad having to exile her for doing something I didn't even feel was wrong. I think the approach Called to Serve mentioned is the best way to teach our children to deal with culturally uncomfortable situations, but that's just me.

I am happy to hear this whole thing was just blown way out of proportion. It was certainly hard to believe it would get that far, but based upon my recent experience, I do know some people really do make a stink about these kinds of things, so I thought, while unlikely, something like that may be possible.
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby jdawg1012 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:28 pm

I have a sister (in law), who is currently breastfeeding. She is not a Latter-day Saint, but has mastered breastfeeding discretely without a separate cover (she positions her shirt in a certain way, she says). Even though I know she breastfeeds, I can almost never tell if she's just holding the baby, or actually breastfeeding, she's that good.

That having been said, I have been of the mind for many, many years, that it is not a sin to see a naked person. Parents see their naked children. God sees all of us naked (He sees everything), worthy members who are physicians see naked people all of the time, and much more. That having been said, it's not something I say is doctrine, but it's my honest feeling on the matter.

I believe in modesty, and I am personally more comfortable around people who cover themselves, but if I see an exposed mammary, it's not the end of the world (maybe it has to do with having seen many in the course of education). I have never given a woman a hard time about it, but when I was younger, it was certainly startling, since no one had ever really discussed it with me. As an adult, I praise women who breastfeed, and always make sure that I treat them as best I can, because I know that it can be a difficult and arduous task in some instances.

I can possibly fathom an instance in which a woman could be intentionally flirtatious, but I've never seen that, in all my life. I've lived in other cultures where women were less discreet, and sometimes removed their shirts altogether.

Still, I prefer all people (men and women), to dress modestly, and keep covered what garments cover, but I find no fault in women for breastfeeding, because I don't think it's a sin to accidentally see a breast, and I don't see women trying to tempt men while caring for their baby.
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Meili » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:06 pm

I appreciate your comments jdawg. I am very forgetful and have forgotten the blanket many, many times, even before I lived in Korea. I appreciated the Korean culture because it didn't matter there. On the other hand, it could be pretty uncomfortable here in the states when I forgot the blanket or if the baby pooped on it or something.
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby JADEH » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:21 am

I'm sorry it's taken me so long to reply, I didn't think anyone would reply to what I said.
I can't give too much information away, as she wants to be anonymous, though I can ask her if she'd like me to say more, then I what I'll tell you right now.
The problem stemmed from ward members being uncomfortable about her breastfeeding in meetings without a cover. Her daughter does not co-operate well with a cover, because she gets hot, and when using a cover, the baby moves around will expose her. So, she chooses to not use a cover so she can be discrete. I guess the ward members complained enough, she was asked to come in and talk to the Bishop who informed her that although he did not see a problem with her breastfeeding in the meetings that many ward members have complained about it and asked her if she wouldn't mind using a covering or going to the nursing room. AS I just said, the baby won't tolerate a covering, and she cannot leave her other children in the sacrament meeting left unattended while she goes to nurse, (her husband sometimes has to work sundays). So her option is to basically not attend sacrament meeting if she wants to bring her children.

*(Although they usually have speakers that are in the "nursing room" so you can hear the sacrament, you cannot take the sacrament while in the nursing room, nor can you hear the other lessons from the other meetings in the block. *These are my words not hers.)

She asked to speak with the stake President on the matter to see if she could get permission if she could nurse without a covering, and was asked not to, on account of trying to help the majority of the members feel comfortable. She returned home very upset, that she either needed to choose to not go to church/ and or be released from her calling, or use a covering "preferably in the nursing room". She called her Bishop and reluctantly ask to be released from her calling because she would not be able to fulfill it, if she spent the entire class time in the nursing room.

What's been worse, is that because of these rumors, she and her family have basically been shunned. Her neighbors won't speak to them and ward members treat them like crap. What is even worse is that this family has just joined the church just a few years ago. They are desperately trying to cling to their testimonies that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is True, but unfortunately them members are being less than "Christ-Like". She doesn't want to give her name, because she doesn't want the protest/ activist groups to use her more than they already have, and she wants to protect her family from anyone that feels the same as some of the ward members.

If you would honor HER wishes and help to STOP these rumors, she would be very grateful.


AS FOR ME...........
I have 4 children, my youngest being almost 3 months old. I am a very shy and discrete person especially when it comes to my body. I prefer to go to another room, because I do not know how to nurse discretely like my friend, (who by the way, most people Never knew she was nursing. It was after someone noticed and then everyone started constantly watching. All you see is that her shirt is bunched up, on top of the baby's face. No skin is Exposed, Ever!). My nursing room is connected to the woman's bathroom. Right now, my 3 month old does nothing but literally nurse almost 24/7, I'm guessing it's because of a growth spurt or my milk supply is dropping. I can't tell you how frustrating it is, to go to church and spend almost ALL 3 hours of church in the nursing room. On the speakers in the nursing room during sacrament meeting I can hear my kids screaming in protest because they think they can get away with things because there is only one parent present, (I get so embarrassed). If I was sitting there, they behave much better. SO while I get to sit in the nursing room for 3 hours. I also get to hear and smell people's bowl movements and pee. Let me tell you.... IT'S NOT LOVELY! I find myself coming home from church every Sunday, not with the knew knowledge of enlightenment of the gospel from the meetings, but I come home with the knowledge of Who Pooped, had a blow out of diarrhea or a huge "smoke bomb" while at church today and who smelled the worse! It's Awkward for me and them when we see each other after they come out of the stall and we both know what just transpired in the the stall. Although this might sound humorous, it isn't, especially after 3 hours. And, for some odd reason, some woman and children feel the need to come over to you while you're nursing and continue to walk closer and closer to you and peer down, as to try to see your breasts, and yet I'm made to feel that nursing "Discretely" in a meeting is "causing others to feel uncomfortable?" Are You Serious!? This is just MY Opinion, not my friends.

I know some of you are thinking "why don't I just give the baby a bottle"? Well, my baby is breastfed only, she will not take a bottle or a binky, and I'm just fine with that. One more side note, even if every woman used the "nursing room", they usually only have 2-3 chairs for nursing mother's in the room. I have 8 woman who have had babies in my ward, (including myself) since October. There are not enough chairs for all of us who need to nurse our babies during church. I can't tell you how many times I have gone into the nursing room, or other mothers have gone in there, wanting to nurse their babies, only to see both chairs are occupied, so they have to make the decisions, to go home and nurse, (not attending class) sit on the toilet and close a stall so you can "nurse discretely" (which is filthy and disgusting, I mean, would you want to eat your lunch on a toilet seat?) or nurse in class.

I am not asking the church to come out with a policy on this, I don't think they should have to. It's Common sense. If a lady is nursing her baby, she feeding it. End of Story. She's not trying to be seductive anymore than someone else in the meeting giving their child fruit snacks or goldfish crackers because they are hungry. Our female bodies were created to suckle our children. What better place to to teach our children the importance of being virtuous than at church. Think of the initiatory.
I hope this helped shed a little light on the situation. I can ask my friend if she would like me to relate more details, but I don't think she will. Plus, Satan will take all he can to try to destroy the church. Remember that "Mormon ad" that say's "Gossip, Don't pass it on" and it shows dirt being passed from one hand to the other? She's asking you to do your part in stopping this rumor.

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby paper face » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:35 pm

I think the bloggernacle feminist exploitation of this situation is pathetic. But I think this woman's experience at church at the hands of "uncomfortable" fellow patrons and weak leadership is far more deplorable.

Christianity should inform our understanding of motherhood. If a woman's intent is merely to feed her baby, then she warrants no accusation and should not be banished from a sacred rite. Motherhood is not immodest. Hypersensitivity to nudity in the context of motherhood, however, is simply immature. A breast briefly exposed while breastfeeding does not cause porn addiction or even exacerbate it. The sin, if it exists, lies completely with the observer who is ostensibly there to focus on Christ.

If Mary, mother of Christ, accidentally flashed a few Egyptian dudes while feeding then infant Jesus, was she being inappropriate? Hardly. She was being a mother. If the context doesn't alter your understanding of what you see, then you are simply not an adult.

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby SAM » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:54 pm

paper face wrote:I think the bloggernacle feminist exploitation of this situation is pathetic. But I think this woman's experience at church at the hands of "uncomfortable" fellow patrons and weak leadership is far more deplorable.

Christianity should inform our understanding of motherhood. If a woman's intent is merely to feed her baby, then she warrants no accusation and should not be banished from a sacred rite. Motherhood is not immodest. Hypersensitivity to nudity in the context of motherhood, however, is simply immature. A breast briefly exposed while breastfeeding does not cause porn addiction or even exacerbate it. The sin, if it exists, lies completely with the observer who is ostensibly there to focus on Christ.

If Mary, mother of Christ, accidentally flashed a few Egyptian dudes while feeding then infant Jesus, was she being inappropriate? Hardly. She was being a mother. If the context doesn't alter your understanding of what you see, then you are simply not an adult.
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Meili » Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:07 pm

Jadeh, thanks for filling us in. I am sorry for your friend and don't believe she should be treated that way. Actually, I don't believe anyone should be treated that way. Although she may be struggling with her testimony of the church, I hope she will find her testimony of the healing power of the Savior increasing. He can ease the pain she is feeling from this trial in her life.
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby bobhenstra » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:21 pm

Breast milk reveals a correlation between dietary fats and academic success

This may not be the correct thread for this, however, my wifie Jo breast fed all of our kids, and they're all much smarter than either of us. However, I believe my sweet wifie was much smarter than me, somehow, she got me, she would never admit how---But, I married well above my station in life! I'll let ya'll decide why??

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby SwissMrs&Pitchfire » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:48 am

Hit and run post but check your church library for this picture: http://tinypineapple.com/a/lds/handcart ... tensen.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; notice the gal left of center...
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:23 pm

We can go to the mothers lounge? And what if we want to hear the lesson??
What if we dont have a cover? (For the record, over the years I've used covers when possible but most certainly won't starve my baby I it's not possible) I for one find it outrageously obnoxious (sorry guys it's the truth) when a woman selfishly pulls out her breast and nurses her baby in front of me and my family. It reminds me of those women who think just because they're giving birth they may as well go all the way and be Buck naked (I mean as long as we're forced to reveal part of of bodies why not intentionally reveal it all?? *sigh* anyway, you can be perfectly modest nursing without a cover in any class or any situation. I for one have never exposed myself inappropriately in public, and I raised plenty of little ones. It all
Comes
Down to a desire to be modest. My daughter will walk all through the grocery store while
Nursing without a cover and nobody is the wiser. It's called
Being careful, wearing appropriate (nursing friendly) clothes or strategically using those you have and not making a big deal out of it. And please for heavens sakes don't whip out your breast like you're proud to be able to make others uncomfortable. Show some Respect and consideration. If you're trying to be discreet then I say you're doing just fine. But please to those who love to shock and impress us all with your private ... Parts.. How can I say this...? Ain't nobody wanna see dat... ;)

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:29 pm

And I say that to those who do it intentionally and selfishly. To those who do their best and once in a while slip up, why I guess you're just human then. ;)

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:31 pm

When I sneak out my secret stash of crackers during any given class I certainly don't raise them
Above my head first, announcing and displaying them to the entire class. No, I duck my head low and quickly plop a few into my
Mouth, at which point I quietly and carefully chew, quickly and discreetly. I won't choke myself in order to keep my secret, but I do do all
I can to keep it to myself ;)

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Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:33 pm

And just for the record, I'm referring to tiny fishies, not huge saltines, or graham crackers which I have to eat one fourth at a time. Lol

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Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:34 pm

(And please health nuts, I know how awful those things are.. I'm working on this weakness.. I do try to bring grapes when I can!) lol

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby shadow » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:51 pm

Bananikka wrote:And just for the record, I'm referring to tiny fishies, not huge saltines, or graham crackers which I have to eat one fourth at a time. Lol
But what if you only have big crackers¿
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:01 pm

Lol. I'd share if I was asked ;)

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Postby Lizzy60 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:27 pm

shadow wrote:
Bananikka wrote:And just for the record, I'm referring to tiny fishies, not huge saltines, or graham crackers which I have to eat one fourth at a time. Lol
But what if you only have big crackers¿
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Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:56 pm

shadow wrote:
Bananikka wrote:And just for the record, I'm referring to tiny fishies, not huge saltines, or graham crackers which I have to eat one fourth at a time. Lol
But what if you only have big crackers¿
OH haha if I only have big (graham) crackers I break them into fours (ever so quietly) and throw them in one by one. Same goes for saltines only they go in whole. After each feat I say a desperate silent prayer that nobody talks to (or looks at) me. I know this may be irreverent, but sometimes a girl gets hungry!!

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Bananikka » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:00 pm

Wait. Did I miss something?! :/

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby UT.Starscoper » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:45 am

Looking back to when I was a teen I blame my hormones for making it so that a woman’s breast or even the cleavage between two breasts aroused me. One day, however, at about the age of 19 I was riding an extremely crowded municipal bus in a huge South American metropolis (there were many others riding the bus from the outside if you can visualize that, hahaha). It was hot, and stuffy and it smelled of dozens of different human, mechanical and other kinds of odors. I happened to be one of a majority of passengers who stood grasping or leaning against anything to keep my balance.


A woman probably in her thirties and dressed in a way that along with the lines in her face and graying in her hair illustrated the meagerness of the economic strata she occupied opened her blouse and began to nurse her infant. I heard the disrespectful reactions from a small number of men some of whose murmurs demonstrated the way they apparently thought about women in general. And at that moment I was struck with a feeling of reverence for the woman. I was struck with a feeling that what she did was sacred even surrounded as she was by male scum, and in retrospect I have often thanked her in my heart (for being part of a life-lesson and giving me the opportunity to mature). Today when I’m privileged to be in the presence of a mother nursing her baby, I still feel the reverence.

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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby Meili » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:27 pm

Thank you for sharing that, UT. It is awesome to be the source of nourishment for your baby in that special way. However, when you do it 10+ times per day, it isn't really a big deal--until you are doing it in public and don't want to put a hot blanket over your already hot baby and someone gets all out of joint over it.
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Postby Desert Roses » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:39 pm

SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote:Hit and run post but check your church library for this picture: http://tinypineapple.com/a/lds/handcart ... tensen.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; notice the gal left of center...
The original hangs in the Female Initiatory area of the St. George temple.

My father (age 82) noted that when his mother was a young mother (in the 1920's and before) that the endowment sessions routinely stopped for a break for women to nurse their babies since the old sessions were so much longer. They used to do the initiatory for the person whose name you had, then the endowment, and often a service with a talk before the endowment session, meaning it was 4-5 hours instead of 2.
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Re: Breastfeeding Brohahah

Postby OOOK? » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:31 pm

We have a very large picture of the same image hanging in the foyer of our church building. If people were so against breast feeding at church I do not think it would stay up. I guess every ward is different. And for those of you with mother's rooms attached to bathrooms, perhaps you could find out if there is another room you could use and they could wire it for sound. I would not be willing to endure what you do.


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