"The Sealed Book of Mormon" was published yesterday.

[creator]

"The Sealed Book of Mormon" was published yesterday.

I read about this a while back and while I am definitely skeptical, I haven't formed a final opinion about it, since I haven't read it yet. I know that some people associated with the RLDS or Restoration Branches (such as a Joseph F. Smith ) have shared their witnesses and testimonies of the findings. This was all before there was any actual published translation available. It will be interesting to see the various reviews and opinions of people now that there is something from these plates to actually read.

Mauricio Berger in Brazil testifies that an angel directed him to meet with Moroni. who delivered to him the Book of Mormon plates. Three other witnesses were also allowed to meet with Moroni. Mauricio, the three witnesses and eight additional witnesses from the United States were all present when the seals were removed from the Book of Mormon.

Once the bands that bound most of the plates were removed, they learned that there were two secondary seals. They released the first section of the plates, but the larger portion will not be opened until Christ opens it. On the cover of that last sealed portion is a beautiful embossed cover plate that depicts the return of Zion to the earth were Christ is symbolized as a shepherd.

When people heard that the Book of Mormon plates were being translated in Brazil, many people expressed understandable skepticism. There have been other people who have falsely published a translation of the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon. So of course people are not willing to accept these claims without evidence that these really are the gold plates from Moroni. The one thing that sets this record apart from those who created fraudulent sealed portions is the fact that multiple witnesses are available to testify about the reality of the events and artifacts. Additional information can be found at thecauseofzion.org

More info:

• http://salemthoughts.com/Topics/Plates.shtml
• Video: Brazil Witnesses Testimonies
• http://restorationbookstore.org/Brazil_ ... d_v2-4.pdf
• https://secondinvitation.org/
• https://www.forthecauseofzion-usa-brazil.org/
• Amazon book link - "The Sealed Book of Mormon"

If any of you end up reading it please share your thoughts.. I will too.
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UPDATE (2019 March 30):

My thoughts on "The Sealed Book of Mormon" after reading the book (which I read with an open-mind, as a truth seeker).

It's like if you wrote a book about the Book of Mormon, and repeated a lot of stuff that's already in the Book of Mormon, a little from the Bible, with a few added things to make it seem like a continuation of the book but not really making any new points - adding nothing new.

The book consists of the following:
Words of Moroni (1 Chapter)
The Sealed Book of Moses (18 chapters)
Acts of the Three Nephites (14 chapters)

This book (all three sections) contains a lot of information that just repeats what we already know from reading the original Book of Mormon, almost as if it hopes to validate itself by repeating many similar things and then adding a few details that could have easily been surmised by any Latter-day Saint familiar with the scriptures.

"Words of Moroni" comprises about a dozen pages allegedly written by Moroni as somewhat of an intro to the book. I can forgive the many poor word choices and phrasing considering the translator of the book is a Brazilian, but the book really doesn't give you the same feel of it being written by Moroni. It doesn't fit the same patterns from the Book of Mormon.

The author gets some doctrinal details wrong, making it more obvious it's just some modern man's made up story, but my intent in writing this short review is not to challenge those doctrinal mistakes.

"The Sealed Book of Moses" is first a story about people finding and reading the book, and then is nothing more than a retelling of familiar stories from the Bible, and Pearl of Great Price, with perhaps a bit of the Book of Enoch (i.e. "the watchers"). A retelling of the story of Adam to Enoch, and Noah, and Moses, and some others; with nothing really new. It seems like a convenient way to fill the pages of a book. It also seems to include some of the authors own modern beliefs about religion and Priesthood that he probably got from being LDS (this actually ends up being a flaw the author may not have realized exposes the book as a fraud - by including certain teachings that are merely cultural and not doctrinal/scriptural).

"Acts of the Three Nephites" is more of a retelling of parts of the Book of Mormon. A portion of this section is on the United Order and law of consecration. And a retelling and explanation of the allegory of the Olive Tree, again with nothing new. No new insights.

Mark Hofmann probably could have done a better job at creating "The Sealed Book of Mormon".

[marc]

Ether 4:5 Wherefore the Lord hath commanded me to write them; and I have written them. And he commanded me that I should seal them up; and he also hath commanded that I should seal up the interpretation thereof; wherefore I have sealed up the interpreters, according to the commandment of the Lord.

6 For the Lord said unto me: They shall not go forth unto the Gentiles until the day that they shall repent of their iniquity, and become clean before the Lord.

7 And in that day that they shall exercise faith in me, saith the Lord, even as the brother of Jared did, that they may become sanctified in me, then will I manifest unto them the things which the brother of Jared saw, even to the unfolding unto them all my revelations, saith Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of the heavens and of the earth, and all things that in them are.

Perhaps there are Gentiles who have repented of their iniquity, have become clean before the Lord, and have exercised faith in Jesus Christ even as the brother of Jared did.

[Chip]

If this were from God, I'd think the text would be freely available to read. It's not, is it?

[gkearney]

If this were from God, I'd think the text would be freely available to read. It's not, is it?

I would point out that when the Book of Mormon was first published its text was not freely available to read.

[Robin Hood]

I haven't formed a final opinion about it...

I have.

[Chip]

If this were from God, I'd think the text would be freely available to read. It's not, is it?

I would point out that when the Book of Mormon was first published its text was not freely available to read.

Ha!!! Very interesting point. Joseph was trying to sell the copyright in Canada.

What does it all mean??????

[Chip]

Okay. I ordered one. Only $5.38, delivered, on Amazon Prime. No big expectations, but I'll check it out. I don't think the people behind it are making squat, at that price.

[creator]

Okay. I ordered one. Only $5.38, delivered, on Amazon Prime. No big expectations, but I'll check it out. I don't think the people behind it are making squat, at that price.

It appears they are using Amazon's self-publishing service and at that price they would not be making any money off of the sales. That's the lowest price Amazon would allow them to sell it (Source: I have published some books via Amazon).

[Zathura]

Oh how I wish this were true. I ordered a copy cause I won't miss $5.

Mark my words, the first indicator that it is a fabrication will be a lack of the Doctrine of Christ that is found everywhere throughout the Book of Mormon that's otherwise relatively unseen until your eyes have been opened.

edit: I read the critics responses awhile back. Onewhowatches went deep. Denver isn't about it either.

[Zathura]

In case anyone is interested, these quotes contain "Clarifications" by the Mauricio Berger in his native language and the translated english version. He's essentially responding to "Onewhoiswatching" and stories about an apparent breakup he had with a buddy of his.

https://thecauseofzion.org/mauricio-ber ... h-version/

Ao longo da minha vida, muitas pessoas passaram por mim, dia após dia. Mas somente algumas dessas pessoas estão em minha memória e eu vou levá-los para sempre no meu coração. Entre essas pessoas, há um em particular, meu amigo, Jader.

Recentemente um conhecido de redes sociais tem me passou um link: https://onewhoiswatching.files.wordpres ... log-10.pdf onde o “observador” do site faz inúmeras acusações sobre mim, de enganador e falsificador. Isto realmente não faz diferença para mim, porque eu me sinto como Joseph Smith Jr. quando ele relatou a sua história e entre suas palavras destaco alguns para expressar o que sinto sobre tudo isso:

“No entanto, foi no entanto um fato ter tido eu uma visão. Eu pensei uma vez que, que eu sentia como Paulo, quando ele fez sua defesa diante do rei Agripa, e relacionado a conta da visão que teve quando viu uma luz e ouviu uma voz; mas ainda foram poucos os que acreditaram nele; alguns diziam que ele era desonesto, outros diziam que ele estava louco; e ele foi ridicularizado e injuriado. Mas tudo isso não destruiu a realidade da visão. Ele tinha tido uma visão, ele sabia que tinha, e toda a perseguição debaixo do céu não poderia fazê-lo de outra forma; e embora eles devem persegui-lo até a morte, mas ele sabia, e saberia até o último alento, que tinha visto uma luz e ouviu uma voz que lhe falava, e todo o mundo não poderia fazê-lo pensar ou acreditar no contrário. Assim foi comigo. Tinha realmente visto uma luz, e no meio dessa luz, dois Personagens; e eles realmente falaram comigo; e embora eu fosse odiado e perseguido por dizer que tivera uma visão, isso era verdade; e enquanto eles estavam me perseguindo, me insultando, e falando todo o mal contra mim falsamente por dizê-lo, fui levado a dizer em meu coração: Por que perseguir-me por dizer a verdade? Eu tenho realmente uma visão; e quem sou eu, para que possa resistir a Deus, ou por que o mundo pense a fazer-me negar o que eu realmente vi? Porque eu tivera uma visão; Eu sabia, e sabia que Deus o sabia e não podia negá-la nem ousaria fazê-lo; pelo menos eu sabia que ao fazê-lo eu ofenderia a Deus e estaria sob condenação. Eu tinha agora tenho minha mente satisfeito medida em que o mundo sectário estava preocupado” e embora eu fosse odiado e perseguido por dizer que tivera uma visão, isso era verdade; e enquanto eles estavam me perseguindo, me insultando, e falando todo o mal contra mim falsamente por dizê-lo, fui levado a dizer em meu coração: Por que perseguir-me por dizer a verdade? Eu tenho realmente uma visão; e quem sou eu, para que possa resistir a Deus, ou por que o mundo pense a fazer-me negar o que eu realmente vi? Porque eu tivera uma visão; Eu sabia, e sabia que Deus o sabia e não podia negá-la nem ousaria fazê-lo; pelo menos eu sabia que ao fazê-lo eu ofenderia a Deus e estaria sob condenação. Eu tinha agora tenho minha mente satisfeito medida em que o mundo sectário estava preocupado” e embora eu fosse odiado e perseguido por dizer que tivera uma visão, isso era verdade; e enquanto eles estavam me perseguindo, me insultando, e falando todo o mal contra mim falsamente por dizê-lo, fui levado a dizer em meu coração: Por que perseguir-me por dizer a verdade? Eu tenho realmente uma visão; e quem sou eu, para que possa resistir a Deus, ou por que o mundo pense a fazer-me negar o que eu realmente vi? Porque eu tivera uma visão; Eu sabia, e sabia que Deus o sabia e não podia negá-la nem ousaria fazê-lo; pelo menos eu sabia que ao fazê-lo eu ofenderia a Deus e estaria sob condenação. Eu tinha agora tenho minha mente satisfeito medida em que o mundo sectário estava preocupado” e falando todo o mal contra mim falsamente por dizê-lo, fui levado a dizer em meu coração: Por que perseguir-me por dizer a verdade? Eu tenho realmente uma visão; e quem sou eu, para que possa resistir a Deus, ou por que o mundo pense a fazer-me negar o que eu realmente vi? Porque eu tivera uma visão; Eu sabia, e sabia que Deus o sabia e não podia negá-la nem ousaria fazê-lo; pelo menos eu sabia que ao fazê-lo eu ofenderia a Deus e estaria sob condenação. Eu tinha agora tenho minha mente satisfeito medida em que o mundo sectário estava preocupado” e falando todo o mal contra mim falsamente por dizê-lo, fui levado a dizer em meu coração: Por que perseguir-me por dizer a verdade? Eu tenho realmente uma visão; e quem sou eu, para que possa resistir a Deus, ou por que o mundo pense a fazer-me negar o que eu realmente vi? Porque eu tivera uma visão; Eu sabia, e sabia que Deus o sabia e não podia negá-la nem ousaria fazê-lo; pelo menos eu sabia que ao fazê-lo eu ofenderia a Deus e estaria sob condenação. Eu tinha agora tenho minha mente satisfeito medida em que o mundo sectário estava preocupado” nem ousaria fazê-lo; pelo menos eu sabia que ao fazê-lo eu ofenderia a Deus e estaria sob condenação. Eu tinha agora tenho minha mente satisfeito medida em que o mundo sectário estava preocupado” nem ousaria fazê-lo; pelo menos eu sabia que ao fazê-lo eu ofenderia a Deus e estaria sob condenação. Eu tinha agora tenho minha mente satisfeito medida em que o mundo sectário estava preocupado”- Joseph Smith -História 1: 24-26 LDS.

De forma semelhante, posso dizer que minha mente já está satisfeito com relação ao mundo sectária e suas opiniões em relação a este trabalho. Mas há algo a ser dito sobre o meu amigo Jader que precisa ser gravado aqui e na história que será desenhado a partir desse evento com a restauração do evangelho.

Então, eu estou disposto a esclarecer algumas coisas através desta mensagem.

Mas, primeiro, devo fazer algumas observações sobre as acusações “observador” sobre os fatos. Primeiro, eu provou aqueles que buscam a verdade da existência de tais artefatos. Nenhum homem que poderia ter falsificado tal evidência seria em sua mente direito de convidar oito testemunhas desconhecidos para vir à sua casa e testar a sua verdade, se não fosse verdade. Além disso, todas as oito testemunhas são membros de alguma igreja restauração nos Estados Unidos, o que, naturalmente, faria qualquer charlatão evitar vindo para o Brasil com a possibilidade de verificar artefatos de perto. Na verdade, a maioria, se não todos, queria apenas uma coisa, certifique-se que eles não estavam sendo enganados. No entanto, todos eles partiram com convicção do que viram quando eles voltaram para os Estados Unidos, com certeza completa das placas. Dúvida, se existisse, não durou em seus corações,

Por sua vez, o que posso dizer sobre o para as acusações destacou levantada pelo “observador”?

Pela acusação levantada pelo “observador” que eu falsificado as placas pelo documento Mark Hoffman, posso dizer que tal argumento só provou ainda mais que as placas em minha posse são verdadeiras.

De acordo com o material que as oito testemunhas elaborado para entender essa coincidência, existem pelo menos duas cartas escritas pelo professor Charles Anthon, cujo coincidem conteúdo vem com a descrição da última placa e corrobora com a descrição de suas cartas, em que Charles Anthon descreve que viu personagens dispostos em colunas verticais e no final do documento havia um círculo dividido em vários compartimentos, adornada com várias marcas estranhas. É lógico supor que Joseph Smith projetou este documento de Anthon da última placa registro que eu mostrei as oito testemunhas. Eu não teria sido capaz de forjar que, desde que eu, como muitos santos dos últimos dias aqui no Brasil, não tinha conhecimento desta carta descritiva da Anthon, porque em suma, o que nos é apresentado pela igreja LDS é que os personagens que Martin Harris mostrou Charles Anthon são aqueles disponíveis na internet, mas que segundo a informação que mais tarde obtida a partir das oito testemunhas, não corresponder ao que o professor Anthon mencionado. -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon_Transcript .

Ou seja, este argumento levantado contra mim comprova ainda mais a veracidade das placas, uma vez que tais figuras descritivas estão de acordo com os relatórios do passado. Se não houvesse tais última placa, no entanto fechar pode parecer a falsificação de Hoffman, então eles seria de fato falsa. Porque descrição de Anthon prova que em algum momento Joseph Smith Jr chamou das placas de ouro algo semelhante ao que está contido na última placa dos registros que as oito testemunhas viram.

O que eu tenho a dizer sobre a questão generalizada de onde Mark Hoffman teria copiado o seu papel?

Há alguns argumentos a serem considerados, especialmente um que menciona que Mark Hoffman, em algum momento tiveram acesso a um fragmento do documento descrito nas cartas de Charles Anthon, e desde então ele forjou um documento inteiro para ter maior valor monetário e obter maior lucro de sua venda. No entanto, para mim, a questão é mais simples do que parece: O Senhor nosso Deus possui um inimigo real do mundo invisível e extremamente inteligente e poderoso para influenciar as mentes dos homens, assim como ele influenciou Mark Hoffman agir obscuramente entre os seus semelhantes. ( Joseph Smith-História 1:16 LDS). Este inimigo, como todo mundo entende, viveu entre os humanos há milhares de anos e, sem dúvida, visto Mormon manusear a última placa como ele pode ter visto o documento Joseph Smith-produzido original que Martin Harris levou para Charles Anthon. Essa é a resposta mais plausível! No presente momento e sabendo que a parte selada logo seria exposto ao mundo com o nascimento de Mauricio Berger, ele encontrou na figura de Mark Hoffman uma contrapartida para falsificar o referido documento, usando nos pensamentos do forger apenas os caracteres originais que ele conservou na memória, já com a intenção de interromper o trabalho do Senhor quando ele começou a ocorrer novamente entre o povo da igreja nos dias de hoje.

Quanto à seguinte questão levantada pelo “observador”, que Joseph Smith Jr. vai voltar para completar o papel, o que ele diz em seu site, que vem anunciando essa ideia durante anos a seus leitores e, portanto, de acordo com ele, deve ter copiado sua idéia, quando surpreendeu ele lê em um email enviado por mim a uma jovem da igreja mórmon afirmar que Joseph iria voltar para terminar o trabalho. Foi então que o chamado “observador”, talvez com medo de que eu possa copiar suas idéias, tenta manipular seus leitores a pensar que eu estou escondendo minhas convicções pessoais do irmão Bob, que de acordo com o “observador”: Bob não acredita no retorno de Joseph. Aqui eu confirmar novamente o que eu disse no e-mail, eu sei por revelação de Moroni que José vai voltar para terminar o trabalho e não porque eu li em algum lugar algo semelhante. Sim, ele virá, mas não da maneira que o “observador” testemunha, que José vai subir novamente para completar o trabalho, até porque as escrituras não mencionam a ressurreição no caso de que o retorno. Mas eis que vos digo, que ele deve ser feito de uma maneira que ninguém deve perceber, como era nos dias de Jesus, quando os judeus também aguardavam o retorno de Elias, mas como Jesus ensinou aos seus discípulos, Elias se chegou na figura de John Batista, mas ninguém o reconheceu. Isto é tão verdade que na versão inspirada de Joseph Smith da Bíblia, exatamente no texto de Marcos 9: 3 menciona que Moisés e Elias estavam na montanha da transfiguração, e confirma que este Elias era de fato João Batista. Por último, se este é o ponto principal da questão, Então eu digo que é um fato simples de entender, porque houve um paralelo na história do evangelho, mas ainda assim, é um dos mistérios que o Senhor não vai dar a conhecer aos homens comuns, mas apenas para os seus profetas. Neste caso, eu lamento informá-lo que a idéia do “observador” sobre o retorno de Joseph é semelhante ao que aconteceu com os fariseus no meridiano dos tempos, quando eles estavam esperando o retorno de Elias, mas eles não perceberam que Elias era há entre eles.

Agora, finalmente, eu quero falar sobre Jader. Primeiro de tudo, quero reforçar seu caráter, dizendo que eu não ter conhecido qualquer homem mais justo, mais distinto e verdadeiro do que o Jader.

Em seu comentário, Jader menciona que Mauricio foi falando que ele Jader, quebrou pedras do vidente. Primeiro, ele só veio a este comentário porque alguém por trás das perguntas passaram a informação errada para ele, e porque ele é muito correto em sua forma, deve ter pensado que eu estou espalhando mentiras sobre ele, porque ele nunca teve acesso às pedras. Por outro lado, quem passou esta informação distorcida para Jader, mentiu para ele e enredado ele em uma teia de engano. O “Perguntas e Respostas” video é amplamente disponível a todos os interessados ​​neste link abaixo, desde a primeira visita de Joseph e Bob para o Brasil, onde Bob conta em detalhes que eu, Maurício Artur Berger, quebrou os videntes pedras com minhas próprias mãos. Foi apenas nesta ocasião em 2017/10/29 que a história das pedras quebrou era conhecido pelo público em geral. -2017/10/29 Zaraenla Filial Fórum Aberto - Perguntas e respostas

Por outro lado, se eles me perguntou, se Jader exerceu alguma influência para quebrar as pedras do caminho eu quebrei-los? Então a resposta é sim! Jader sempre foi um amigo que me ensinou muito sobre amar a verdade acima de todas as coisas, e me fez ver as situações que às vezes não percebemos o seu significado real. Neste caso, foi Jader, que de alguma forma me chamou a atenção para que eu pudesse averiguar os fatos, a fim de ver se eu não estava sendo enganado pelo diabo, e com isso em mente, e enfraquecido por perder a amizade do meu melhor amigo , agi obrigatoriamente em relação aos sentimentos que me impressionou naqueles dias, chegando a quebrar as pedras, por causa da tristeza e da dúvida, ele cresceu em meu coração, por causa das coisas que Jader tinha me dito sobre a mentira de satanás. As palavras duras que Jader me contou sobre a mentira de Satanás, Foi pela mesma razão que fez Jader se afastar de mim, e eu nunca escondi de ninguém que eu cometi um erro com Jader e com Deus a esse respeito, quando eu perguntei Jader dizer a seu bispo que tinha visto o anjo Moroni eo placas, quando na verdade ele nunca tinha visto. Este ponto vai para a segunda carga do local onde Jader responde que eu pedi-lo por isso, e foi precisamente neste ponto que ele passou a acreditar que tudo era uma mentira. Eu não vejo nenhum problema em pedir-lhe isso porque eu tinha certeza de que um dia Moroni iria mostrar as placas para ele pessoalmente, porque a promessa de ser uma das três testemunhas era seu e não o irmão Valdeci Machado. Talvez Jader está certo quando no site ele diz que eu sou arrogante, porque depois da minha excomunhão senti o desejo de mostrar igreja LDS que eles estavam errados sobre mim, mas não podia mostrar as placas a Jader, o tempo depois que ele recebeu um e-mail de um dos os três homens que estavam na montanha Eu pedi este ele. Mas para saber o caráter do Jader já previu que ele iria se afastar, no entanto, eu perguntei de qualquer maneira, porque eu tinha certeza que assim que Moroni confirmou tudo, ele não se decepcionar comigo. Mas ele não se deixou essa oportunidade. pois eu tinha certeza de que, logo que Moroni confirmou tudo, ele não seria decepcionado comigo. Mas ele não se deixou essa oportunidade. pois eu tinha certeza de que, logo que Moroni confirmou tudo, ele não seria decepcionado comigo. Mas ele não se deixou essa oportunidade.

Jader também menciona neste mesmo comentário que eu já tenho o material traduzido completamente. De fato, enquanto Jader estava ao meu lado, ele viu uma parte da tradução a ser feita a partir de um contexto que não estava no Livro de Mórmon que ele sabe, neste contexto era uma porção traduzida do livro de Lehi. Depois disso, eu tinha que depositar as placas em um buraco no topo da colina, logo em seguida, I, Jader e Joni, subiu a montanha mais uma vez para ver se eu levasse as placas do buraco onde eu tinha colocado, mas um uma enorme pedra foi colocada no topo do site, o que torna impossível para ele ser removido no momento, depois que eu perguntei-lhe a confiança que as placas seriam mostradas a ele pelo anjo Moroni no final dos dez anos 2007-2017, o ano em que Moroni de na verdade ele mostrou para as três testemunhas. Assim sendo,

Como eu disse, Jader é uma pessoa extremamente correta, e eu concordo com ele para manter a sua posição na defesa de sua verdade, para cada um será julgado por aquilo que ele tem. E uma vez que muitas coisas tornaram-se indesejáveis ​​na minha pessoa para ele, porque eu sou falho e imperfeito, então eu não vejo como ele pode ter outra posição a respeito de mim nesta fase em que esta história em que ele esteve envolvido desenrola. No entanto, eu insisto que as perguntas para Jader eram perguntas disfarçadas por alguém que o fez pensar que eu estava usando seu nome para fazer dele um mau caráter. Seja como for, acredito que, se as perguntas certas são convidados, ele também vai falar a verdade sobre eles. Há até mesmo um e-mail dele datado de 29 de junho de 2011, que inclui um testemunho com as palavras que dizem:

“Eu também testemunhar que eu sei que essas coisas são verdadeiras, porque eu tive o privilégio exatamente em 4 de Fevereiro de 2008, para ver um grupo de espíritos de renome no topo do monte aguda. Quero que todos saibam que eu Jader eo irmão Mauricio que foram ministrados e visitou em 25 de dezembro de 2008, também na Colina aguda pelos três apóstolos do Senhor, por Simão Pedro, que possui as chaves do reino de sua igreja e juntos com ele Tiago e João. Eu digo isso e eu dizer a todos e eu confirmar e sem sombras de dúvida que eu falo e acreditar no que eu vi e conheço e que todos os ouvir e orar ao Senhor para que suas mentes são abertos e seus corações são tocados. Sabendo disso eu fecho dizendo que esta é a vontade de nosso Salvador Jesus Cristo para ser, assim, manifesta os desígnios de Deus e do Espírito Santo, e eu faço e eu deixar este testemunho em nome do grande, poderoso e Redentor da humanidade do Salvador Jesus Cristo. Um homem". (Jadar - 29 de junho de 2011)

Eu não acredito, por um único momento que ele se permitiu ser influenciado por mim na época em que escreveu este testemunho, porque ele sempre foi um homem de grande caráter a ser influenciado por alguém. Devido a esse personagem, eu não acredito que, no presente momento ele vai deixar-se ser influenciado para mudar seu depoimento anterior. Isso seria contrário aos seus elevados padrões morais. Eu acredito que ele pode dizer neste momento que eles eram manifestações do diabo, porque, isso é o que ele acredita, hoje, que foram enganados. Mas eu não acho que ele diria que ele nunca viu nada.

Finalmente, para concluir a minha opinião sobre o assunto publicado pelo “observador”, eu sei que Jader agora acha que os três homens que apareceram para nós no topo da montanha, a quem eu deveria no momento de ser Pedro, Tiago e João são para ele apenas três homens comuns, semelhante a nós, feitos a partir de carne e ossos, que coincidentemente escalou a montanha naquele dia a uma hora tardia e ficou lá há mais de quinze minutos e depois à esquerda. Mas se você perguntar Jader o que esses homens realmente fez e falou naqueles 15 minutos, certamente Jader irá confirmar estas minhas palavras:

1º que pediu para orar conosco.

2º falou de seu mestre cura as pessoas só com a sua sombra.

3º eles disseram que eram de Paraiso, o que poderia ser uma cidade próxima da cidade de Agudo, mas também, poderia ser o paraíso literal.

4º Eles também disseram que era a primeira vez que havia subido a montanha, o que é impossível no meio do mato e da noite para alguém que não sabe o caminho.

5º Embora nós vimos uma luz se aproximando quando eles chegaram, nós não vê-los acender qualquer lanterna na escuridão da noite para ir embora e ir para baixo da montanha.

6º Além de tudo isso, há havia uma tempestade se aproximando rapidamente do topo, não havia como escapar dele, e eu disse Jader que devemos ir para baixo, quando um deles disse, acalme-se. Se você apenas acreditar, chove em volta e a tempestade nem sequer tocá-lo. Então, passamos a noite lá, e na verdade, a tempestade passou em torno de nós com muito vento agitando as árvores da montanha, mas nada aconteceu conosco.

7º Nós não vê-los beber água quando eles chegaram no meio de nós, ou tendo algum cantina ou mochila que poderia conter água para que eles pudessem hidratar, mostrou tão pouco sinais de fadiga, o que era impossível para um homem de carne e osso como nós chegar-se lá na montanha sem se sentir exausto e sedento de água.

Aqui está uma pergunta: se eles eram apenas três homens comuns, você não acha, no mínimo, estranho que eles sobem à noite e ficar lá apenas 15 minutos depois de tal uma intensa caminhada para chegar ao topo e o tempo que eles estavam lá, falou sobre o assunto que eu e Jader conduziu àquele lugar, chegando a rezar com a gente?

Por último, não importa muito para mim de que lado Jader é, neste momento, e quanto ele acredita que eu seja um falso profeta, o que importa para mim é o caráter do meu amigo Jader. É importante que a sua moralidade permanece intocada, embora estes malfeitores tentar persuadi-lo com perguntas elaboradas com fatos distorcidos da história atual. Porque, eu tenho dito, em pelo menos duas ocasiões, uma antes Jader afasta de mim e outro depois, que ele vai, no futuro, ser um jogador chave neste trabalho. Portanto, quando eu penso em meu amigo Jader levantar uma acusação contra este trabalho, é como pensar a história de Paul, que era como um todo e zeloso como Jader é em defesa da verdade. Mas quando Deus chamou Paulo para abraçar a sua causa,

Quanto ao “observador” e outros sectários que me acusam de isto ou aquilo, eu quero dizer que eu não estou zangado com eles. Tenho pena antes, assim como Jesus teve pena de aqueles que o crucificaram, porque eles realmente não sabiam o que estavam fazendo. Da mesma forma, eu, Maurício Berger, eu estarei orando por aqueles que me perseguem e tentam desfigurar a imagem deste trabalho, porque na verdade eles não sabem o que fazem. Um homem!

Mauricio A Berger - 2018/05/23

Este artigo foi escrito por e colocado no website, a pedido de e com a permissão explícita por Mauricio A Berger. O texto foi escrito 1ª em Português após o qual Mauricio usou um programa tradutor para prestação Inglês. Quaisquer erros de gramática são contabilizados para o programa de tradução. RC

Throughout my life, many people passed by me, day after day. But only a few of these people are in my memory and I will carry them forever in my heart. Among these people there is one in particular, my friend, Jader.

Recently an acquaintance of social networks has passed me a link: https://onewhoiswatching.files.wordpres ... log-10.pdf where the “watcher” of site makes numerous accusations about me, from deceiver and falsifier. This does not really make a difference for me, because I me feel as Joseph Smith Jr. it when he related his story and among his words I highlight some to express what I feel about all of this:

“However, it was nevertheless a fact that I had beheld a vision. I have thought since, that I felt much like Paul, when he made his defense before King Agrippa, and related the account of the vision he had when he saw a light, and heard a voice; but still there were but few who believed him; some said he was dishonest, others said he was mad; and he was ridiculed and reviled. But all this did not destroy the reality of his vision. He had seen a vision, he knew he had, and all the persecution under heaven could not make it otherwise; and though they should persecute him unto death, yet he knew, and would know to his latest breath, that he had both seen a light and heard a voice speaking unto him, and all the world could not make him think or believe otherwise. So it was with me. I had actually seen a light, and in the midst of that light I saw two Personages, and they did in reality speak to me; and though I was hated and persecuted for saying that I had seen a vision, yet it was true; and while they were persecuting me, reviling me, and speaking all manner of evil against me falsely for so saying, I was led to say in my heart: Why persecute me for telling the truth? I have actually seen a vision; and who am I that I can withstand God, or why does the world think to make me deny what I have actually seen? For I had seen a vision; I knew it, and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it, neither dared I do it; at least I knew that by so doing I would offend God, and come under condemnation. I had now got my mind satisfied so far as the sectarian world was concerned” — Joseph Smith —History 1:24-26 LDS.

In a similar way I can say that my mind is already satisfied with regard to the sectarian world and their opinions regarding to this work. But there is something to be said about my friend Jader who needs to be recorded here and in the story that will be drawn from that event with the restoration of the gospel.

So I am willing to clarify some things through this message.

But first, I must make a few remarks about the “watcher” accusations about the facts. First, I it has proved to those who seek the truth that such artifacts exist. No man who could have falsified such evidence would be in his right mind to invite eight unknown witnesses to come to his house and test its truth if it were not true. In addition, all eight witnesses are members of some restoration church in the United States, which, of course, would make any charlatan avoid coming to Brazil with the possibility of checking artifacts up close. In fact, most, if not all, wanted only one thing, make sure they were not being deceived. Yet, they all departed with conviction of what they saw when they returned to the United States, with complete certainty of the plates. Doubt, if it existed, did not last in their hearts, not only for the materials that proved to be reliable, but also for the confirmation of the Holy Spirit which he was spilled in all of them here in Brazil.

In its turn, what can I say about the for the accusations highlighted raised by the “watcher”?

By the accusation raised by the “watcher” that I falsified the plates by the Mark Hoffman document, I can say that such an argument only proved even more that the plates in my possession are true.

According to material that the eight witnesses elaborated to understand this coincidence, exist is at least two letters written by Professor Charles Anthon, whose content coincide comes with the description of the last plaque and corroborates with the description of his letters, in which Charles Anthon describes that he saw characters arranged in vertical columns and at the end of the document there was a circle divided into several compartments, adorned with several strange marks. It is logical to assume that Joseph Smith designed this document of Anthon from the last record plate that I showed the eight witnesses. I would not have been able to forge that, since I, like many Latter-day Saints here in Brazil, had no knowledge of this descriptive letter of Anthon, because in short, what is presented to us by the LDS church is that the characters that Martin Harris showed Charles Anthon are those available on the internet, but that second the information I later obtained from the eight witnesses, not match what Professor Anthon mentioned. —https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon_Transcript.

That is, this argument raised against me proves even more the veracity of the plates, since such descriptive figures are in agreement with the reports of the past. If there were no such last plaque, however close it may seem to Hoffman’s counterfeit, then they would in fact be false. Because Anthon’s description proves that at some point Joseph Smith Jr drew from the gold plates something similar to what is contained in the last plate of the records that the eight witnesses saw.

What do I have to say about the widespread issue of where Mark Hoffman would have copied his paper?

There are some arguments to be considered, especially one that mentions that Mark Hoffman at some point had access to a fragment of the document described in the letters of Charles Anthon, and from then on he forged an entire document to have more monetary value and obtain higher profit from its sale. However, for me the question is simpler than it seems: The Lord our God possesses a real enemy of the invisible and extremely intelligent and powerful world to influence the minds of men, just as he influenced Mark Hoffman to act obscurely among his similar. (Joseph Smith—Históry 1:16 LDS). This enemy, as everyone understands, has lived among humans for thousands of years and has undoubtedly seen Mormon handling the last plate as he may have seen the original Joseph Smith-produced document that Martin Harris took to Charles Anthon. That is the most plausible answer! At the present time and knowing that the sealed part would soon be exposed to the world with the birth of Mauricio Berger, he found in the figure of Mark Hoffman a counterpart to falsify the said document, using in the forger’s thoughts only the original characters that he retained in his remembrance, already with the intention of interrupting the work of the Lord when it began to occur again among the people of the church in the present day.

As for the following question raised by the “watcher” that Joseph Smith Jr. will return to complete the paper, which he says on his website, which has been announcing this idea for years to his readers, and therefore, according to him, I must having copied his idea, when surprised he reads in an email sent by me to a young man from the LDS church stating that Joseph would come back to finish the job. It was then that the so-called “watcher”, perhaps afraid of that I can copy your ideas, tries to manipulate his readers into thinking that I am hiding my personal beliefs from Brother Bob, who according to the “watcher”: Bob not believe in the return of Joseph. Here I confirm again what I said in the e-mail, I know by revelation of Moroni that Joseph will return to finish the job and not because I have read in some place something similar. Yes, he will come, but not in the way the “watcher” testifies, that Joseph will rise again to complete the work, not least because the scriptures do not mention resurrection in the case of that return. But behold, I say unto, that it shall be done in a way no one shall perceive, as it was in the days of Jesus when the Jews also awaited Elijah’s return, but as Jesus taught his disciples, Elijah came in the figure of John Baptist, but no one recognized him. This is so true that in Joseph Smith’s inspired version of the Bible, exactly in the text of Mark 9: 3 mentions that Moses and Elijah were on the mountain of transfiguration, and confirms that this Elijah was indeed John the Baptist. Lastly, if this is the main point of the question, So I say it is a simple fact to understand, because there has been a parallel in the history of the gospel, but still, it is one of the mysteries that the Lord will not make known to ordinary men, but only to his prophets. In this case I regret to inform you that the idea of the “watcher” regarding Joseph’s return is similar to what happened to the Pharisees in the meridian of the times, when they were waiting for Elijah’s return, but they did not realize that Elijah was there among them.

Now, finally, I want to talk about Jader. First of all, I want to reinforce his character by saying that I have not known any man more just, more distinct, and true than the Jader.

In his commentary, Jader mentions that Mauricio has been talking about that he Jader, broke the seer’s stones. First he just came to this comment because someone behind the questions passed the wrong information to him, and because he is very correct in his way, must have thought that I’m spreading lies about he, because he never had access to the stones. On the other hand, whoever passed this distorted information to Jader, lied to him and entangled him in a web of deception. The “Questions and Answers” video is widely available to all interested parties at this link below since the first visit of Joseph and Bob to Brazil, where Bob tells in detail that I, Maurício Artur Berger, broke the seers stones with my own hands. It was only on this occasion on 10/29/2017 that the history of the stones broke was known by the general public. — 10.29.2017 Zarahemla Branch Open Forum – Questions & Answer

On the other, if they asked me, if Jader exerted some influence to break the stones the way I broke them? So the answer is yes! Jader was always a friend who taught me a lot about loving the truth above all things, and made me see situations that sometimes we do not realize its real meaning. In this case, it was Jader, who somehow caught my attention so that I would ascertain the facts in order to see if I was not being deceived by the devil, and with that in mind, and weakened by losing the friendship of my best friend, I acted compulsorily in relation to the feelings that struck me in those days, coming to break the stones, because of the sadness and the doubt he raised in my heart, because of the things that Jader had told me about the lie of satan. The hard words that Jader told me about the lie of Satan, was for the same reason that made Jader move away from me, and I never hid from anyone that I made a mistake with Jader and with God in that regard, when I asked Jader to tell his bishop that he had seen the angel Moroni and the plates, when in fact he had never seen. This point goes into the second charge of the site where Jader responds that I asked him for it, and it was precisely at this point that he came to believe that everything was a lie. I did not see any problem in asking him this because I was quite sure that one day Moroni would show the plates to him personally, because the promise of being one of the three witnesses was his and not Brother Valdeci Machado. Maybe Jader is right when on the site he says that I am arrogant because after my excommunication I felt the desire to show LDS church that they were wrong about me but could not show the plates to Jader, time after he received an email from one of the three men who were on the mountain I requested this him. But for knowing the character of the Jader already predicted that he would move away, however, I asked anyway, for I was sure that as soon as Moroni confirmed everything, he would not be disappointed with me. But he did not allow himself that opportunity.

Jader also mentions in this same comment that I already have the translated material completely. In fact, while Jader was at my side, he saw a part of the translation being made from a context that was not in the Book of Mormon that he knows, this context was a translated portion of Lehi’s book. After that, I had to deposit the plates in a hole at the top of the hill, shortly thereafter, I, Jader and Joni, climbed the mountain once more to see if I took the plates from the hole where I had put it, but one a huge stone was laid on top of the site, making it impossible for him to be removed at the time, after which I asked him to trust that the plates would be shown to him by the angel Moroni at the end of the ten years from 2007 to 2017, the year in which Moroni of in fact it showed for the three witnesses. Therefore, I never had all translated material, because I only had the plates again in January 2017, and resumed the translation work only after the eight witnesses came to Brazil earlier this year of 2018.

As I said, Jader is an extremely correct person, and I agree with him to maintain his position in defending his truth, for each one will be judged by what he has. And since many things have become undesirable in my person for him, for I am flawed and imperfect, then I do not see how he can have other position concerning me at this stage in which this story in which he has been involved unfolds. However, I insist that the questions to Jader were questions disguised by someone who made him think I was using his name to make him a bad character. Be that as it may, I believe that if the right questions are asked, he will also speak the truth about them. There is even an email from him dated June 29, 2011 that includes a testimony with his words that say:

“I also testify that I know these things are true because I had the privilege exactly on February 4, 2008 to see a group of renowned spirits at the top Acute hill. I want you all to know that I Jader and Brother Mauricio we were ministered and visited on December 25, 2008 also on the Acute Hill by the three Apostles of the Lord, by Simon Peter who holds the keys of the kingdom of his church and together with him James and John. I say this and I tell everyone and I confirm and without shadows of doubt that I speak and believe in what I have seen and know and that all listen and pray to the Lord so that their minds are opened and their hearts are touched. Knowing this I close saying that this is the will of our Savior Jesus Christ to be thus manifested the designs of God and the Holy Spirit, and I do and I leave this Testimony in the name of the Great, Mighty and Redeemer of humanity the Savior Jesus Christ. Amen”. (Jadar – June 29, 2011)

I do not believe, for a single moment that he allowed himself to be influenced by me at the time he wrote this testimony, because he was always a man of great character to be influenced for someone. Because of this character, I do not believe that in the present time he will let himself be influenced to change his previous testimony. This would be contrary to their high moral standards. I believe that he can say at the present time that they were manifestations of the devil, because, that is what he believes today, that I have been deceived. But I do not think he would say he’s never seen anything.

Finally, to conclude my opinion on the subject posted by the “watcher,” I know that Jader now thinks that the three men who appeared to us at the top of the mountain, whom I supposed at the time to be Peter, James and John are for him only three common men, similar to us, made from of flesh and bones, who coincidentally climbed the mountain that day at a late hour and stayed there no more than fifteen minutes and then left. But if you ask Jader what those men actually did and spoke in those 15 minutes, surely Jader will confirm these words of mine:

1º they asked to pray with us.

2º spoke of his master healing people only with his shadow.

3º they said that they were from Paraiso, which could be a nearby city of the city of Agudo, but also, could be the literal Paradise.

4º They also said that it was the first time they had climbed that mountain, which is impossible in the middle of the bush and the night for someone who does not know the way.

5º Although we saw a light approaching when they arrived, we did not see them light any lantern in the darkness of the night to go away and to go down the mountain.

6º Apart from all this there is there were a storm approaching quickly from the top, there was no escaping it, and I told Jader that we should go down, when one of them said, calm down. If you just believe it, it rains around and the storm does not even touch you. So we spent the night there, and in fact, the storm passed around us with a lot of wind shaking the trees of the mountain, but nothing happened to us.

7º We did not see them drinking water when they arrived among us, or having some canteen or backpack that could contain water so they could hydrate, so little showed signs of fatigue, which was impossible for a man of flesh and bones as we arrive up there on the mountain without feeling exhausted and thirsty for water.

Here is a question: if they were just three ordinary men, do not you think, in the least strange that they go up at night and stay there only 15 minutes after such an intense walk to reach the top and the time they were there, spoke about the subject that led me and Jader to that place, coming to pray with us?

Lastly, it does not matter much to me on which side Jader is at this moment and how much he believes me to be a false prophet, what matters to me is the character of my friend Jader. It matters that their morality remains untouched, though these malefactors try to persuade him with questions elaborated with distorted facts of the current history. Because, I have been told, on at least two occasions, one before Jader departs from me and another afterwards, that he will in future be a key player in this work. Therefore, when I think of my friend Jader raising an accusation against this work, it is like thinking of the story of Paul, who was as whole and zealous as Jader is in defense of the truth. But when God called Paul to embrace his cause, then that zealous man for his traditions bowed to the ground to recognize the truth that was right among those whom he accused of apostasy.

As for the “watcher” and the other sectarians who accuse me of this or that, I mean that I am not angry with them. I have pity before, just as Jesus took pity on those who crucified him because they did not really know what they were doing. Similarly, I, Maurício Berger, I’ll be praying for those who persecute me and try to disfigure the image of this work, because indeed they do not know what they do. Amen!

Mauricio A Berger – 05.23.2018

This article was written by and placed on this website at the request of and with explicit permission by Mauricio A Berger. The text was written 1st in Portuguese after which Mauricio used a translator program for English rendering. Any mistakes in grammar are accounted to the translation program. RC

[jsk]

Oh brother...

[Chip]

Oh brother...

Right... Because if God were to introduce more of the Book of Mormon, we know exactly what channel he would use. Now, just try to imagine that happening. Would we hear about it in General Conference?

[jsk]

Oh brother...

Right... Because if God were to introduce more of the Book of Mormon, we know exactly what channel he would use. Now, just try to imagine that happening. Would we hear about it in General Conference?

Sure...why not?

You guys must get tired chasing stray cats...I know I would get tired of having to evaluate the claims of every false prophet or mentally ill person.

[cab]

Oh brother...

Right... Because if God were to introduce more of the Book of Mormon, we know exactly what channel he would use. Now, just try to imagine that happening. Would we hear about it in General Conference?

Sure...why not?

You guys must get tired chasing stray cats...I know I would get tired of having to evaluate the claims of every false prophet or mentally ill person.

Yep we are on much more sure footing by following our leaders and not searching too deep for a greater potion than what's already available. I mean, we have enough until the prophet says we need more. Definitely far-fetched to think miracles like that could happen today. After all, God has done his work of the restoration already and given his power to the church. It's best to stay safely on the boat where all is well and carnally secure.

[creator]

You guys must get tired chasing stray cats...I know I would get tired of having to evaluate the claims of every false prophet or mentally ill person.

This isn't about chasing stray cats. This is a discussion forum, so why not discuss something like this.

[John Tavner]

Oh brother...

Right... Because if God were to introduce more of the Book of Mormon, we know exactly what channel he would use. Now, just try to imagine that happening. Would we hear about it in General Conference?

Sure...why not?

You guys must get tired chasing stray cats...I know I would get tired of having to evaluate the claims of every false prophet or mentally ill person.

Yep we are on much more sure footing by following our leaders and not searching too deep for a greater potion than what's already available. I mean, we have enough until the prophet says we need more. Definitely far-fetched to think miracles like that could happen today. After all, God has done his work of the restoration already and given his power to the church. It's best to stay safely on the boat where all is well and carnally secure.

That sounds familiar... like it is paraphrased from scripture... hmmm I think it is found in a book that we are condemned for not reading... the words are almost like one speaking from the dust....
2 Nephi 28:
29 Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God, and we need no more of the word of God, for we have enough!

30 For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have.

31 Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.

Yep That was it! Also something later on in Moroni about not believing... but for those who don't believe, don't take my word for it, read teh Book for therein is found the Doctrine of Christ!

[Zathura]

I already have a bible

[justme]

You guys must get tired chasing stray cats...I know I would get tired of having to evaluate the claims of every false prophet or mentally ill person.

This isn't about chasing stray cats. This is a discussion forum, so why not discuss something like this.

But I like cats

[justme]

You guys must get tired chasing stray cats...I know I would get tired of having to evaluate the claims of every false prophet or mentally ill person.

This isn't about chasing stray cats. This is a discussion forum, so why not discuss something like this.

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[marc]

Is this available free online like Nemelka's version of the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon?

[ajax]

what does chapter 1 verse 1 say?

[jsk]

Feel free to discuss it...it's a free country...at least for now. LOL

For myself, I have NO DOUBT that something this monumental meant for the whole Church and, in fact, the whole world, would be revealed through the President of the Church, and not some random excommunicated dude. That whole stewardship thing...

And you can quote scripture about "A bible....a bible....we have already got a bible and need no more bible" as much as you like, but I maintain you are missing the point. No doubt there will be much additional scripture revealed. But...again...it will be revealed through the President of the Church. Again...the whole stewardship thing. I really fail to see how believing Latter Day Saints can think otherwise. But if you believe the Church has lost it's authority, then I guess it makes sense why you feel compelled to chase after every false prophet, charlatan or mentally ill person that claims special revelation to the world. Feel free to chase the stray cats...there are worse ways to spend one's time I suppose.

I can quote scripture too...

"Surely the Lord God will do nothing but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the PROPHETS" (emphasis mine). Amos 3:7

Again...if we are believing Latter Day Saints, then we know such a thing as new scripture would only be revealed through the established hierarchy of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But if you don't believe in the authority of the Church, then it's all a moot point. And discussing it is one thing...but those discussing it seem to think this is a real viable possibility instead of the obvious sham that it is. That's what I find amazing.

[shadow]

what does chapter 1 verse 1 say?

Chapter 1 verse 1 - For behold...

Chapter 2 verse 1 - And it came to pass....

[Zathura]

Feel free to discuss it...it's a free country...at least for now. LOL

For myself, I have NO DOUBT that something this monumental meant for the whole Church and, in fact, the whole world, would be revealed through the President of the Church, and not some random excommunicated dude. That whole stewardship thing...

And you can quote scripture about "A bible....a bible....we have already got a bible and need no more bible" as much as you like, but I maintain you are missing the point. No doubt there will be much additional scripture revealed. But...again...it will be revealed through the President of the Church. Again...the whole stewardship thing. I really fail to see how believing Latter Day Saints can think otherwise. But if you believe the Church has lost it's authority, then I guess it makes sense why you feel compelled to chase after every false prophet, charlatan or mentally ill person that claims special revelation to the world. Feel free to chase the stray cats...there are worse ways to spend one's time I suppose.

I can quote scripture too...

"Surely the Lord God will do nothing but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the PROPHETS" (emphasis mine). Amos 3:7

Again...if we are believing Latter Day Saints, then we know such a thing as new scripture would only be revealed through the established hierarchy of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But if you don't believe in the authority of the Church, then it's all a moot point. And discussing it is one thing...but those discussing it seem to think this is a real viable possibility instead of the obvious sham that it is. That's what I find amazing.

There's no problem with going with the mainstream stance. I happen to believe it will be likely that God with do much of his work through people who are "lowly" LDS members or even non-members, people that we would be prone to reject like John the Baptist and Samuel the Lamanite. The scriptural precedent is there, so I guess we wait and see.

[John Tavner]

Feel free to discuss it...it's a free country...at least for now. LOL

For myself, I have NO DOUBT that something this monumental meant for the whole Church and, in fact, the whole world, would be revealed through the President of the Church, and not some random excommunicated dude. That whole stewardship thing...

And you can quote scripture about "A bible....a bible....we have already got a bible and need no more bible" as much as you like, but I maintain you are missing the point. No doubt there will be much additional scripture revealed. But...again...it will be revealed through the President of the Church. Again...the whole stewardship thing. I really fail to see how believing Latter Day Saints can think otherwise. But if you believe the Church has lost it's authority, then I guess it makes sense why you feel compelled to chase after every false prophet, charlatan or mentally ill person that claims special revelation to the world. Feel free to chase the stray cats...there are worse ways to spend one's time I suppose.

I can quote scripture too...

"Surely the Lord God will do nothing but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the PROPHETS" (emphasis mine). Amos 3:7

Again...if we are believing Latter Day Saints, then we know such a thing as new scripture would only be revealed through the established hierarchy of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But if you don't believe in the authority of the Church, then it's all a moot point. And discussing it is one thing...but those discussing it seem to think this is a real viable possibility instead of the obvious sham that it is. That's what I find amazing.

I suppose that is where you and I differ. I'm not a believing latter-day saint, though I attend those church services.. I'm a believing Christian. How are prophets called? By man or by God? One can be called but not all are chosen.- see D&C 121.

4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye {5748} not carnal?

1 Corinth 3: Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

So I'm not of Nelson or "LDS" I'm of Christ. We all should be. As Joseph Smith once told someone: “Mormonism is truth; and every man who embraces it feels himself at liberty to embrace every truth: consequently the shackles of superstition, bigotry, ignorance, and priestcraft, fall at once from his neck; and his eyes are opened to see the truth, and truth greatly prevails over priestcraft… Mormonism is truth, in other words the doctrine of the Latter-day Saints, is truth. … The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or without being circumscribed or prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men, or by the dominations of one another, when that truth is clearly demonstrated to our minds, and we have the highest degree of evidence of the same.”

Edit: To be clear I'm not telling you or anyone to leave or to do anything drastic just do as Joseph Said: “The best way to obtain truth and wisdom is not to ask from books, but to go to God in prayer, and obtain divine teaching.” Follow God and the SPirit and all will be good for that person for they shall never thirst as teh Lord said.

2nd Edit: also interesting is this little snippet by JOseph Smith found in that same letter: We believe that no man can administer salvation through the gospel, to the souls of men, in the name of Jesus Christ, except he is authorized from God, by revelation, or by being ordained by some one whom God hath sent by revelation, as It is written by Paul, Romans 10:14, “and how shall they believe in him, of whom, they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? and how shall they preach, except they be sent?” and I will ask, how can they be sent without a revelation, or some other visible display of the manifestation of God. And again, Hebrews, 5:4, “And no man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.”— And I would ask, how was Aaron called, but by revelation?

Seems there is more than one method to be called preach and teach according to the Prophet of this dispensation.