Every time I've tried to engage you civilly I've addressed your deliberate misstatements with as much patience as I can muster. You have misstated and ignored nearly everything I've written and are now claiming I haven't responded adequately and that I am dishonest. The opposite is clearly documented in this thread.Spaced_Out wrote: ↑January 15th, 2018, 4:12 pmYou forget that Abraham is now an exalted God but came down as a spirit......alaris wrote: ↑January 15th, 2018, 2:41 pmThanks Sarah - I've said from the beginning I don't have all the answers but have shared the ones I've received to some degree. I do agree there could be some choice given at some point - accept your inheritance or choose to move on and earn a higher inheritance and better resurrection. Perhaps Adam's fruit partaking is symbolic of the fact we have our eternal reward and inheritance and can keep it or partake of an ordinance whereby we give up our bodies / inheritance to continue from grace to grace and exaltation to exaltation.Sarah wrote: ↑January 15th, 2018, 2:04 pm We were reading these verses in Sunday School yesterday and it made me think of this thread.
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.
We see here that even the noble and great ones were spirits. It seems the only way this theory would work is if you believe that when your mortal life is over you can defer resurrection and remain a spirit. So lets say I live into the millennium, live to the age of a tree, and then am changed, does that mean (according the the mmp theory) that I could choose to be transformed into a spirit body again and not my resurrected body? What would I be doing as a spirit for 1 thousand years? Who is creating brand-new spirit bodies that will enter the 1st estate for the next round, and who is occupying the celestial world after the millennium?
As Heber C. Kimball shared, the symbolism of MMP is reflected in our world. As I partook of the sacrament on Sunday, I thought of this symbol - of eating or ingesting every 7 days and realized this is yet another symbol of MMP! I believe there is an ordinance where we are given a choice to sacrifice our eternal standing for "knowledge" as Adam did. We would then be in the spirit again. Something to think about and pray about.Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
"What I do not to-day, when the sun goes down, I lay down to sleep, which is typical of death; and in the morning I rise and commence my work where I left it yesterday. That course is typical of the probations we take. ...This day's work is typical of this probation, and the sleep of every night is typical of death, and rising in the morning is typical of the resurrection. Brethren, this is the course we have to take; it is a progressive work from one day to another, and from one week to another; and if we advance this year, we are so far advanced in preparation to better go through the next year." ~ Heber C. Kimball, JD:4-329
alaris you are blatantly dishonest - purposefully avoid the truth and try and deflect by changing the topic. I have given much substantial evidence of your deceit. Made many many posts that you are unable to answer and simply ignore. You post countless scriptures blatantly changing the meaning, when corrected you are found wanting and simply say pray about it. You claim the handbooks of the church are false -only a prophet of God can preach a new doctrine but you again and again preach new strange doctrines like Davitic servant and MMP.
In all your posts you have showed time and time again a lack in the very basic understanding of the gospel relating to restoration, salvation, atonement, resurrection, claiming the church is telestrial, You need to remember what is recorded on earth is recorded in heaven and all your blogs will come against you in the last days...
I have proved them all wrong in all cases and laid bare your dishonesty, you have nothing but are left to say pray about it - since none of us listen to the voice of the evil one - it is a hopeless request from your side. Only the voice of the evil one preaches such a doctrine as MMP.
You've stated your case. I've stated mine. I have invited you and anyone to pray about it. You have not and still have not.
This post I'm replying to, for example, has no substance other than a bunch of false accusations. However, I will give you this. When I first started learning about the Davidic Servant it was indeed strange. Strange that so few LDS take Joseph Smith at his word. Mmp is another example.
You have deliberately misstated me time and time and time again in this thread where there is no such guile on display by me, yet I am the blatantly dishonest? Does the honest person teach to pray or the dishonest. Because you've come down on prayer again in your post.