I heard it too, it was straight out of his mouth to everyone who was listening to that devotional. It may be up on the church's website by now, but I'm not sure you will care, I suspect you will blow him off the same as you've blown off other church leaders.alaris wrote: ↑January 15th, 2018, 11:32 amIt is! How about a quote so we can discuss civilly?DesertWonderer2 wrote: ↑January 15th, 2018, 10:53 am I just listened to Elder Uchtdorf’s talk to the YSA from last night. He very specifically stated that there is ONE mortal probation. So who do you belive: KOZ, Alarias, Julie Rowe, The Remnant OR an ORDAINED apostle of Jesus Christ?
It’s all quite simple isn’t it?
I also saw this today. I don't know why I'd forgotten this, I've listened to this talk numerous times, but it finally jumped out at me, when I read it in print--thanks to freedomforall for posting this on that other thread.
This is from Elder McConkie's famous Heresies talk. This is the part which is pertinent to MMP.
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Heresy seven: There are those who believe we must be perfect to gain salvation.
This is not really a great heresy, only a doctrinal misunderstanding that I mention here in order to help round out our discussion and to turn our attention from negative to positive things. If we keep two principles in mind we will thereby know that good and faithful members of the Church will be saved, even though they are far from perfect in this life.
These two principles are (1) that this life is the appointed time for men to prepare to meet God--this life is the day of our probation; and (2) that the same spirit which possesses our bodies at the time we go out of this mortal life shall have power to possess our bodies in that eternal world.
What we are doing as members of the Church is charting a course leading to eternal life. There was only one perfect being, the Lord Jesus. If men had to be perfect and live all of the law strictly, wholly, and completely, there would be only one saved person in eternity. The prophet taught that there are many things to be done, even beyond the grave, in working out our salvation.
And so what we do in this life is chart a course leading to eternal life. That course begins here and now and continues in the realms ahead. We must determine in our hearts and in our souls, with all the power and ability we have, that from this time forward we will press on in righteousness; by so doing we can go where God and Christ are. If we make that firm determination, and are in the course of our duty when this life is over, we will continue in that course in eternity. That same spirit that possesses our bodies at the time we depart from this mortal life will have power to possess our bodies in the eternal world. If we go out of this life loving the Lord, desiring righteousness, and seeking to acquire the attributes of godliness, we will have that same spirit in the eternal world, and we will then continue to advance and progress until an ultimate, destined day when we will possess, receive, and inherit all things.
Things that Alaris' preaches which Elder McConkie disputes in this talk:
MMP teaches that we perfect ourselves
This life is the time to prepare to meet God
The same spirit which we go out of this mortal world will possess our body in the eternal world (not have 100s of 1000's of different bodies to choose from)
Jesus Christ was the one perfect being. 'If men had to be perfect and live all of the law strictly, wholly, and completely, there would be only one saved person in eternity.' That is directly in conflict with Alaris' version of MMP, were we continue to live mortal lives until we live the law perfectly.