Are Religion And Myth The Same Thing?

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Are Religion And Myth The Same Thing?

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I don't watch videos unless it is something I seem really important. However, the image on that video on the right is from the video game Age of Mythology, which I rather enjoyed years and years ago. Fun game.

Religion tends to dissolve and change into myth.

"The best lies are built on (at least) a kernel of truth." Nimrods sun-worship was built on the back of pure religion from Noah, being a "secret" religion for all intents and purposes for quite a long time. Even his sun-worship became almost in recognizable as the centuries rolled on.

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I'm not going to listen to that video but I had to comment on the text of the post.

Myth is based on mind fantasy and something that isn't real; an illusion. Illusions exist to pull us astray and distract. Myths are false and ideas of men.

Religion is absolutely based on fact. We're put in a testing ground to see if we'll hold true to those facts. At times it feels like...'a mist of darkness' over our mind to try to cloud our judgment in making it home. Heavenly Father and Jesus are as real as you or I standing here but the test is to feel that through the mists of darkness as we're trying to not let go of the iron rod.

Some say that religion is iffy. Its not. Its very real. When you pray focus on the feelings you had when you had your most memorable answers to prayers, that feeling when you knew Heavenly Father was looking out for you. That's special. That's absolutely real.

Now having said that,...in some places of the world, hate cultures, hate governments, and anti-religious areas caused them to have to 'hide' and have hidden messages. Or parables. Isn't it interesting how hateful the pharisees and others were in the time of Christ that he had to disguise the messages in a story? In other areas people did this but disguised the religious messages in myths to try to get the young people to not reject God before the messengers could be killed or persecuted. This is what happened to Abraham, according to some sources. While in Egypt, they were watching for the real relgions names to kill those people, so he used different names for Heavenly Father and Jesus like Osiris and so on.

But do we have a credible source on that? Sort of...

If you recall in the Book of Mormon the Lamanites in some verses are quoted as taking away men, women, and children into captivity. These people were religious but had to somehow disguise it to avoid being killed. So they hid the messages in stories for children to try to avoid being caught. This is where I believe a lot of the petroglyph art of the SouthWest came from. These areas were very likely Gadianton robber strongholds (some say Brigham Young confirmed this too but I wasn't there when BY said it.) IF that's the case then to the robbers an adopted son, servant, or other tribal member carving rams and animals on rocks might look harmless. Then when you look close you see there's words and letters hidden in the animals. (True.) And that the messages are always religious. Coincidence? I think not.

The tree of life, and other Book of Mormon images are quoted in a lot of petroglyphs in many places in North America. And if you think about the verses where people were carried away by the Lamanites, now it makes sense why the messages were hidden in the animal carved pictures.

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Myth suggests a particular story. Religion involves an organization of stories, beliefs, rituals etc. They are not the same thing, but a similarity between myths and scriptural parables is both are not literal but symbolic.

“Without a parable, spake he (Jesus) not unto them.”

The guy on the left in OP video made an illogical argument: straw-man logical fallacy which atheism is based on, which is: “Of all of the definitions of God listed in the bible (God as love, truth, light, within us... etc) let’s pick the easiest one to refute: that God is a tyrannical grandpa in the sky that obviously is not seen & so then we can dismiss the entire idea of God, scripture and religion.” Like many Atheists, he ignored the undeniable definitions of God like “God is love” and “the kingdom of God is within you” because he knows he could never argue against those.

The guy on the right had more logical reasoning in explaining the difference between truth and fact. It’s like I don’t pick up a car manual when I want to be spiritually edified and I don’t pick up the scriptures when I want to try to figure out a car problem. Truth is in perspective - and particular tools will help us find certain perspectives.

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God's Sun

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It is not....... its different

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All history is myth in one way or another. There is a lot of myth in religion, Jesus used parables which are fictional stories to teach and make points that illustrated true principles.

The doctrine and the principles are more important than the accuracy of the stories. The atonement happened whether Jesus was nailed to an actual tree at eye level or hoisted upon some complex cross contraption that stood 30ft in the air.

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Joel wrote: December 31st, 2017, 7:30 am Clip taken from the movie "Zeitgeist"


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The Creation Story of the Bakuba Kingdom of the Congo

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Most myth probably originates as a watered down form of True Religion. True Religion is as Parley said, the Master Science of Theology. Most Science is to the Science of Theology as myth is to True Religion.

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The Greeks Who Pray to Zeus

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Even though Greece is a predominately Christian Orthodox country, there are some people in this country who still believe in the 12 Gods of mount Olympus, deriving from Greek Mythology. According to unofficial sources they amount to a couple of hundreds and present themselves as members of the unofficial so-called "Greek Religion". This is a mixture of beliefs that combine paganism, the idea of spiritual connection with nature and a kind of fixation to the Ancient Greek ideals. Over the past decades they have founded various different groups, the oldest and most popular among them being the "Greek Naionals High Commissioned Council (GNHCC) - Υπατο Συμβούλιο Ελλήνων Εθνικών," founded 30 years ago. Read the full feature here: https://www.vice.com/sv/article/ppmzwz/ ... ods-greece

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Food for thought. . .
"The study of ancient religion starts with mythology enthroned as its true source" - Hugh Nibley, One Eternal Round pg. 96-97 "
"Mythology is generally treated as anything that is false, fiction, or fable, however, ancient myths were used to transfer truth in the form of symbolic stories. We must be careful not to impose our modern definition of mythology upon the ancient world. Mircea Eliade says that Archaic societies" understood a myth to mean "a 'true story' and beyond that, a story that is most precious possession because it is sacred, exemplary, significant." -Hugh Nibley
"Can we discern the real historical content of ancient myth? What makes ritual the source of history, as Hornug notes, is that "the overall historical picture... Is heavily determined by recurring typical events"; history go on through the centuries describing events using "the same basic scenario with the same prescribed roles." Are not the great rites marking the birth, marriage, coronation, victories, campaigns, and burial of the King all historical realities, recalled in ritual repetition?.. This gives us "history as celebration," where "history is played out in the form of fixed ritual in accordance with the Annals." - Hugh Nibley; One Eternal Round pg 103
Here is Hugh Nibley expounding on repeated cycles in his Masterpiece One Eternal Round, he also expounds on the relationship between myth. ritual, and symbolism... (The myths explain the symbols and the symbols illuminate the myths.)
The fundamental purpose of the Book of Abraham and ancient Egyptian religious literature is the same

A major mythological cycle common to all ancient civilizations and societies is that of the creation of the world and mankind, the wickedness of mankind that results in the destruction of nearly all mankind, and their subsequent return to wickedness. There are Semitic, Egyptian, Greek, Babylonian accounts of this cycle, the biblical Hebrew account being the most familiar to us. Two Egyptian compositions, the Memphite Theology and the epic of the Heavenly Cow, deal with the creation and the flood, as does the story of Prometheus in Greek literature. The creation account in the Book of Abraham and the accounts of the wickedness of mankind and the flood given in the Book of Moses expand on this same ancient theme.

What is the relationship between myth, ritual, and history? The surviving writings that have come down to us from ancient times are basically mythological accounts that portray actual historic events in ritual context.

The great year rite that is found in various forms throughout the ancient world is an example of this. This celebration took place at a sacred location, most often a temple or high place. There where common elements to this ceremony: the dramatic representation of the death and resurrection of the god, a portrayal of the creation, a ritual combat in which the triumph of the god over his enemies was depicted, a triumphal procession where the king or leader played the part of the god followed by a train of lesser gods, an atoning sacrifice by which the people were cleansed of their sins, and festivities and games that recalled a previous Golden Age, now lost. The similarities in these ceremonies throughout the ancient world argue a common origin. There are some remarkable parallels based on the ancient perception of history as a repetition of ritual and mythological themes. -Hugh Nibley; One Eternal Round
"Myth is essentially cosmological. As heaven in the cosmos is so vastly more important than our earth, it should not be surprising to find the main functions deriving from heaven" (Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend, Hamlet's Mill: An Essay Investigating the Origins of Human Knowledge and Its Transmission through Myth (Boston: Godine, 1977)
"Mythology is the history of the solar system." (-David Talbott)
"Mythology is Cosmology" -Hugh Nibley
"The Pearl of great price restores cosmism with vengeance." -Hugh Nibley
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Symbols of an Alien Sky by the Thunderbolt Project (Electric Universe)

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