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I fear I am as baffled as AI.20. Here is verse 42. Would you please take just a second and explain exactly what it means to you. Please make no assumptions that I can fill in the blanks. Detail it for me if you would please. Also, if you could tie it into the Price for Priesthood power comments of Elder Nelson that would tie it all together for me.

Ok, let us reason together.

by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others

I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

Again not sure where the wires are getting crossed. "taught by the Lord himself" does not mean "ordained by the Lord himself" Hence vs. 42 and the pattern that was restored by Christ through his servants to Joseph.

How do you know?

Because we have scriptures, prophets, and a pattern that explain otherwise.

[brlenox]

Maybe v.42 has a higher meaning, maybe?

The Church of the Firstborn is the church of the Celestial Kingdom. If a person qualifies, might there be an ordination, maybe?

Christ will reign in the terrestrial world. Might a person qualify for the terrestrial world before the millennium starts, maybe?

If a person is being taught by the Lord himself, is she/he a Zion person, a terrestrial person, maybe?

D & C 84:42

42 And wo unto all those who come not unto this priesthood which ye have received, which I now confirm upon you who are present this day, by mine own voice out of the heavens; and even I have given the heavenly hosts and mine angels charge concerning you.

I fear I am as baffled as AI.20. Here is verse 42. Would you please take just a second and explain exactly what it means to you. Please make no assumptions that I can fill in the blanks. Detail it for me if you would please. Also, if you could tie it into the Price for Priesthood power comments of Elder Nelson that would tie it all together for me.

Ok, let us reason together.

by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others

I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

When you state taught by the Lord Himself is literal, I agree. But what that does not explain is are you seeing this as a process where the Lord physically appears to you and provides the instruction you seek? or can it be that the Lord provides the opportunities that will expand upon levels of understanding, or does it mean something else? I am hoping for specifics please.

As well the phrase "by mine own voice" from verse 42. Is this to you implying a physical one on one interaction where you actually engage the voice of the Lord or can it be through his servants or scripture or something else?

[Arenera]

Ok, let us reason together.



I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

Again not sure where the wires are getting crossed. "taught by the Lord himself" does not mean "ordained by the Lord himself" Hence vs. 42 and the pattern that was restored by Christ through his servants to Joseph.

How do you know?

Because we have scriptures, prophets, and a pattern that explain otherwise.

I suggest scriptures might have additional meanings, like Isaiah. Tell me what it means to you to be taught by the Lord himself.

[brlenox]

I fear I am as baffled as AI.20. Here is verse 42. Would you please take just a second and explain exactly what it means to you. Please make no assumptions that I can fill in the blanks. Detail it for me if you would please. Also, if you could tie it into the Price for Priesthood power comments of Elder Nelson that would tie it all together for me.

Ok, let us reason together.

by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others

I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

Again not sure where the wires are getting crossed. "taught by the Lord himself" does not mean "ordained by the Lord himself" Hence vs. 42 and the pattern that was restored by Christ through his servants to Joseph.

How do you know?

Okay now you have asked the right question. Because I have accepted Elder Nelson's very specific challenge and have experienced the process and am continuing to experience the process. Thus I will state that I know exactly how this can work at the level that I have experienced. I am sure there are possibilities of variations in the experience for others. This is why I am trying to get exactness from you of your interpretation of these things.

[Arenera]

Maybe v.42 has a higher meaning, maybe?

The Church of the Firstborn is the church of the Celestial Kingdom. If a person qualifies, might there be an ordination, maybe?

Christ will reign in the terrestrial world. Might a person qualify for the terrestrial world before the millennium starts, maybe?

If a person is being taught by the Lord himself, is she/he a Zion person, a terrestrial person, maybe?

D & C 84:42

42 And wo unto all those who come not unto this priesthood which ye have received, which I now confirm upon you who are present this day, by mine own voice out of the heavens; and even I have given the heavenly hosts and mine angels charge concerning you.

I fear I am as baffled as AI.20. Here is verse 42. Would you please take just a second and explain exactly what it means to you. Please make no assumptions that I can fill in the blanks. Detail it for me if you would please. Also, if you could tie it into the Price for Priesthood power comments of Elder Nelson that would tie it all together for me.

Ok, let us reason together.

by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others

I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

When you state taught by the Lord Himself is literal, I agree. But what that does not explain is are you seeing this as a process where the Lord physically appears to you and provides the instruction you seek? or can it be that the Lord provides the opportunities that will expand upon levels of understanding, or does it mean something else? I am hoping for specifics please.

As well the phrase "by mine own voice" from verse 42. Is this to you implying a physical one on one interaction where you actually engage the voice of the Lord or can it be through his servants or scripture or something else?

1 Nephi 2:16-19, Christ is talking to Nephi. Voice, check.
1 Nephi 11. An angel instructs Nephi, he is carried to a mountain, he sees Christ’s life. Vision, check.
Nephi tells us he is a witness of Christ, like Isaiah and Jacob. Seeing Christ, check.

I literally mean literal.

And since I mean literal, it means you have received the Holy Ghost (baptism of fire). You are now literally part of the Light of Christ, the Spirit.

Now when you read Ether 4, Alma 5, you get expanded meaning. Ether 12.

[brlenox]

I fear I am as baffled as AI.20. Here is verse 42. Would you please take just a second and explain exactly what it means to you. Please make no assumptions that I can fill in the blanks. Detail it for me if you would please. Also, if you could tie it into the Price for Priesthood power comments of Elder Nelson that would tie it all together for me.

Ok, let us reason together.

by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others

I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

When you state taught by the Lord Himself is literal, I agree. But what that does not explain is are you seeing this as a process where the Lord physically appears to you and provides the instruction you seek? or can it be that the Lord provides the opportunities that will expand upon levels of understanding, or does it mean something else? I am hoping for specifics please.

As well the phrase "by mine own voice" from verse 42. Is this to you implying a physical one on one interaction where you actually engage the voice of the Lord or can it be through his servants or scripture or something else?

1 Nephi 2:16-19, Christ is talking to Nephi. Voice, check.
1 Nephi 11. An angel instructs Nephi, he is carried to a mountain, he sees Christ’s life. Vision, check.
Nephi tells us he is a witness of Christ, like Isaiah and Jacob. Seeing Christ, check.

I literally mean literal.

And since I mean literal, it means you have received the Holy Ghost (baptism of fire). You are now literally part of the Light of Christ, the Spirit.

Now when you read Ether 4, Alma 5, you get expanded meaning. Ether 12.

Well - let's try this approach.

I take this to mean that you are saying the Jesus Christ will appear to you and give you specific instruction on how to exercise priesthood power.

Yes or no is the answer that will drive this corn dodger into my hemlock knotted skull.

[Arenera]

Ok, let us reason together.



I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

When you state taught by the Lord Himself is literal, I agree. But what that does not explain is are you seeing this as a process where the Lord physically appears to you and provides the instruction you seek? or can it be that the Lord provides the opportunities that will expand upon levels of understanding, or does it mean something else? I am hoping for specifics please.

As well the phrase "by mine own voice" from verse 42. Is this to you implying a physical one on one interaction where you actually engage the voice of the Lord or can it be through his servants or scripture or something else?

1 Nephi 2:16-19, Christ is talking to Nephi. Voice, check.
1 Nephi 11. An angel instructs Nephi, he is carried to a mountain, he sees Christ’s life. Vision, check.
Nephi tells us he is a witness of Christ, like Isaiah and Jacob. Seeing Christ, check.

I literally mean literal.

And since I mean literal, it means you have received the Holy Ghost (baptism of fire). You are now literally part of the Light of Christ, the Spirit.

Now when you read Ether 4, Alma 5, you get expanded meaning. Ether 12.

Well - let's try this approach.

I take this to mean that you are saying the Jesus Christ will appear to you and give you specific instruction on how to exercise priesthood power.

Yes or no is the answer that will drive this corn dodger into my hemlock knotted skull.

Yes, maybe not at first, but during the process. You’re smart. I would only suggest to not let unbelief hold you back.

[brlenox]

When you state taught by the Lord Himself is literal, I agree. But what that does not explain is are you seeing this as a process where the Lord physically appears to you and provides the instruction you seek? or can it be that the Lord provides the opportunities that will expand upon levels of understanding, or does it mean something else? I am hoping for specifics please.

As well the phrase "by mine own voice" from verse 42. Is this to you implying a physical one on one interaction where you actually engage the voice of the Lord or can it be through his servants or scripture or something else?

1 Nephi 2:16-19, Christ is talking to Nephi. Voice, check.
1 Nephi 11. An angel instructs Nephi, he is carried to a mountain, he sees Christ’s life. Vision, check.
Nephi tells us he is a witness of Christ, like Isaiah and Jacob. Seeing Christ, check.

I literally mean literal.

And since I mean literal, it means you have received the Holy Ghost (baptism of fire). You are now literally part of the Light of Christ, the Spirit.

Now when you read Ether 4, Alma 5, you get expanded meaning. Ether 12.

Well - let's try this approach.

I take this to mean that you are saying the Jesus Christ will appear to you and give you specific instruction on how to exercise priesthood power.

Yes or no is the answer that will drive this corn dodger into my hemlock knotted skull.

Yes, maybe not at first, but during the process. You’re smart. I would only suggest to not let unbelief hold you back.

Finally..."Yes, maybe not at first", but during the process." This is all I was looking for and is a reasonable answer that I can work with. Thank you.

[drtanner]

Again not sure where the wires are getting crossed. "taught by the Lord himself" does not mean "ordained by the Lord himself" Hence vs. 42 and the pattern that was restored by Christ through his servants to Joseph.

How do you know?

Because we have scriptures, prophets, and a pattern that explain otherwise.

I suggest scriptures might have additional meanings, like Isaiah. Tell me what it means to you to be taught by the Lord himself.

Which scriptures in Isaiah your referring to that explain that we should ordained by Christ himself?

[Arenera]

How do you know?

Because we have scriptures, prophets, and a pattern that explain otherwise.

I suggest scriptures might have additional meanings, like Isaiah. Tell me what it means to you to be taught by the Lord himself.

Which scriptures in Isaiah your referring to that explain that we should ordained by Christ himself?

2nd Nephi 16, Isaiah 6.

2 Nephi 16

Actually I was meaning that scriptures can have multiple meanings, like Isaiah does. Yet this chapter does fit.

[Arenera]

How do you know?

Because we have scriptures, prophets, and a pattern that explain otherwise.

I suggest scriptures might have additional meanings, like Isaiah. Tell me what it means to you to be taught by the Lord himself.

Which scriptures in Isaiah your referring to that explain that we should ordained by Christ himself?

2nd Nephi 16, Isaiah 6.

2 Nephi 16

Actually I was meaning that scriptures can have multiple meanings, like Isaiah does. Yet this chapter does fit.

[drtanner]

Maybe v.42 has a higher meaning, maybe?

The Church of the Firstborn is the church of the Celestial Kingdom. If a person qualifies, might there be an ordination, maybe?

Christ will reign in the terrestrial world. Might a person qualify for the terrestrial world before the millennium starts, maybe?

If a person is being taught by the Lord himself, is she/he a Zion person, a terrestrial person, maybe?

D & C 84:42

42 And wo unto all those who come not unto this priesthood which ye have received, which I now confirm upon you who are present this day, by mine own voice out of the heavens; and even I have given the heavenly hosts and mine angels charge concerning you.

I fear I am as baffled as AI.20. Here is verse 42. Would you please take just a second and explain exactly what it means to you. Please make no assumptions that I can fill in the blanks. Detail it for me if you would please. Also, if you could tie it into the Price for Priesthood power comments of Elder Nelson that would tie it all together for me.

Ok, let us reason together.

by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others

I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

What was something President Nelson did that he shared openly to be taught by the Lord himself? It is found in his challenge to study “everything Jesus said and did as recorded in the Old Testament, his laws as recorded in the New Testament, his doctrine as recorded in the Book of Mormon, and his words as recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants.” and it coincides with the timing of this council. For me this has been the starting point.

[Arenera]

Maybe v.42 has a higher meaning, maybe?

The Church of the Firstborn is the church of the Celestial Kingdom. If a person qualifies, might there be an ordination, maybe?

Christ will reign in the terrestrial world. Might a person qualify for the terrestrial world before the millennium starts, maybe?

If a person is being taught by the Lord himself, is she/he a Zion person, a terrestrial person, maybe?

D & C 84:42

42 And wo unto all those who come not unto this priesthood which ye have received, which I now confirm upon you who are present this day, by mine own voice out of the heavens; and even I have given the heavenly hosts and mine angels charge concerning you.

I fear I am as baffled as AI.20. Here is verse 42. Would you please take just a second and explain exactly what it means to you. Please make no assumptions that I can fill in the blanks. Detail it for me if you would please. Also, if you could tie it into the Price for Priesthood power comments of Elder Nelson that would tie it all together for me.

Ok, let us reason together.

by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others

I take that literally. If you take it differently, then we see it differently. If a person is being taught by the Lord, wouldn’t they have to be at a certain spiritual level?

What was something President Nelson did that he shared openly to be taught by the Lord himself? It is found in his challenge to study “everything Jesus said and did as recorded in the Old Testament, his laws as recorded in the New Testament, his doctrine as recorded in the Book of Mormon, and his words as recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants.” and it coincides with the timing of this council. For me this has been the starting point.

President Nelson is very talented and amazing!