7 Archangels, 7 Dispensations, and 7 Levels of Mankind

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dafty wrote: June 8th, 2017, 10:24 am
alaris wrote: May 31st, 2017, 7:43 pm ...Abraham paying tithes to Melchizedek is highly symbolic of Abraham's order (level 4, 2nd order of Aaron, Cherubim) reporting to or being subservient to The Order of Melchizedek - levels 5-7, Seraphim, Archangels even though Abraham himself is an Archangel. I believe each archangel epitomizes their order. Level 4 sacrifice | Abraham and Isaac. Level 3 obedience | Moses bending his will to God's vs most stubborn man in history. Level 2 overcoming the natural man by following Jesus | Peter.. Walked on water, loyal when faced by death, Martyred. Level 1 overcoming the rebellion | Joseph Smith...faithfulness versus rebellion / extreme and persistent adversity, while establishing a kingdom and rule that persists in the face of adversity...
So if DS becomes 8th Archangel, what will be His 'overcoming'? What qualities do members of his order posses, that He will epitomize? thanx
PS.If I didnt make myself clear I will give a hypothetical example:
DS chief of Level X- Law of Chastity(144k did not defile themselves with woman)-Will not commit fornication, never watch porn etc...just an example x
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Excellent question! I had to ponder on this for some time. Enoch is the Archangel of level 6 beings and epitomizes this high level by building up a city where all are of one heart (4) and of one mind (6.) But Enoch is already a level 7 being showing the level 6 students how to be.

The Davidic Servant's ministry is very similar! He also builds ZION. The Davidic Servant is the chief level 6 being, so his ministry reinforces Enoch's - and guess who comes with his city to meet the Davidic at the New Jerusalem. Friendsofthe has a great thread on this idea, on contemplating the timing of the coming of the City of Enoch. However, when thinking about how the levels are overcome and epitomized by their respective Archangels / Dispensation Authorities, then this makes sense beautifully. Of course the Davidic Servant has to build ZION - again - and he has to do it first, without the obvious help of having a shining city made of Jasper (Rev 21) descending from heaven. That would be cheating! This is the Davidic Servant's test and the City of Enoch was a foreshadowing of it!

Why? Well HE has to learn how to make ZION - how to gather as Enoch did, how to teach as Enoch did, how to convince as Enoch did to build ZION as the chief architect. Of course he will have help! We know that angels and men will work together. This quote is from a church manual (LDSPhysician.) :)
“I shall begin by quoting from the prophecy of Enoch, speaking of the last days: ‘Righteousness will I send down out of heaven, and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten, His resurrection from the dead [this resurrection I understand to be the corporeal body]; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine own elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, a holy city, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming, for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem’ [Moses 7:62].

“Now I understand by this quotation, that … righteousness and truth are to sweep the earth as with a flood. And now, I ask, how righteousness and truth are going to sweep the earth as with a flood? I will answer. Men and angels are to be co-workers in bringing to pass this great work, and Zion is to be prepared, even a new Jerusalem, for the elect that are to be gathered from the four quarters of the earth, and to be established an holy city, for the tabernacle of the Lord shall be with them. …

“… ‘Behold this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob, and it shall be a New Jerusalem.’ [3 Nephi 20:22.] Now we learn from the Book of Mormon the very identical continent and spot of land upon which the New Jerusalem is to stand, and it must be caught up according to the vision of John upon the isle of Patmos.

“Now many will feel disposed to say, that this New Jerusalem spoken of, is the Jerusalem that was built by the Jews on the eastern continent. But you will see, from Revelation 21:2, there was a New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, adorned as a bride for her husband; that after this, the Revelator was caught away in the Spirit, to a great and high mountain, and saw the great and holy city descending out of heaven from God. Now there are two cities spoken of here. As everything cannot be had in so narrow a compass as a letter, I shall say with brevity, that there is a New Jerusalem to be established on this continent, and also Jerusalem shall be rebuilt on the eastern continent [see Ether 13:1–12]. ‘Behold, Ether saw the days of Christ, and he spake also concerning the house of Israel, and the Jerusalem from whence Lehi should come; after it should be destroyed, it should be built up again, a holy city unto the Lord, wherefore it could not be a New Jerusalem, for it had been in a time of old.’ [Ether 13:4–5.]” History of the Church, 2:260–62; punctuation modernized; first set of bracketed words in first paragraph in original; from a letter from Joseph Smith to the elders of the Church, Nov. 1835, Kirtland, Ohio, published in Messenger and Advocate, Nov. 1835, pp. 209–10.
So it sounds like the Davidic Servant will have a little help here - but he's not quite at Enoch's level yet, so a little handicap is to be expected! This understanding adds a few layers to this event. The bride motif means that the bride (the church) is now ready to receive the Bridegroom (Rev 21.) Enoch driving his city into place is him reporting back on his level 6 protege to the Lord - "Lord, I approve of the Davidic Servant's work. Here is my work added to his. We are ready to receive you." (Not a direct quote.) Now the final task will be to complete the Terrestrial Era and Vanquish the Enemy once and for all by the Prince - Michael.

Now all this said, I do feel like the Davidic Servant will have a personal period of descent and ascent first. I believe it will be rife with symbolism that will help him be a more righteous and compassionate judge. There have people who have commented on this - based of Gileadi's works and their own. I have too. Something relevant from these comments, someone said in a Davidic Servant thread somewhere on LDSFF that the Davidic Servant would not be listened to at first. I totally agree with this, and doesn't that make perfect sense!? HIS MISSION IS TO GET PEOPLE OF ONE MIND AND ONE HEART!!! I don't recall which scripture in Isaiah indicates that nobody listens, but I'll review my favorite Isaiah passages and see if I can find it and edit this later if I do. Thanks for the thought-provoking and fruit-producing question! :)

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Thank you, alaris! This is awesome and so full of light and truth! I've believed in MMP for some time now, as well as the true identity of the Holy Ghost being our self. I love how you aligned chakras with levels of spiritual progression. It makes perfect sense to me. In fact, two witnesses (if you will) that make me think that you've got a lot of things right here are, first, that you could take multiple belief systems and make them match up so well. That is always a sign to me of eternal truth. Second, having the dispensation heads' time period order go in opposite order of the level of spirits they are ministering to is a beautiful chiasmus and I pay attention when those pop up. Really wonderful post! Thanks again for sharing!

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MORMON VIEW ON CHAKRAS

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What most people in our modern age don't know is that the concept of chakras has been practiced and discussed in every religion on the planet! Especially christianity and especially the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (whether most of us realize it or not, haha).

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freedomforall wrote: June 10th, 2017, 1:09 am MORMON VIEW ON CHAKRAS

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What most people in our modern age don't know is that the concept of chakras has been practiced and discussed in every religion on the planet! Especially christianity and especially the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (whether most of us realize it or not, haha).
THE RAINBOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The Lord wipes out humanity and leaves the rainbow as the promise:
Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
I did not know this. I brought this up to my wife this morning saying, "Did you know the rainbow colors are in the exact same order as the colors of the chakras." She's like, "Yeah" and shrugs her shoulders.

So the promise is to all mankind - all seven levels of mankind. Suddenly Revelation 10:1 makes perfect sense:
1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
The seventh angel is Michael according to D&C 88.
D&C 88:112 And Michael, the seventh angel, even the archangel, shall gather together his armies, even the hosts of heaven
The face as the sun and feet as pillars of fire sure sounds like someone's whose name means "Who is like God." Some think his name ends in a question mark. It does not. :)

The rainbow! He has a rainbow over his head for two reasons - One, he is the prince, the chief archangel, the highest priesthood authority on this world. His stewardship is over all seven levels of mankind and the rainbow reflects that. Two, this is his crown. He himself is the chief of the 7th order. He is also the steward over the 6 archangels who each have stewardship over one level.

The Archangels is the order of the prince! I may amend my original post to include this concept.

Level 6 = High Priest. Level 7 = Prince. Level 8 = King.
Abraham 1:2 And, finding there was greater happiness and peace and rest for me, I sought for the blessings of the fathers, and the right whereunto I should be ordained to administer the same; having been myself a follower of righteousness, desiring also to be one who possessed great knowledge, and to be a greater follower of righteousness, and to possess a greater knowledge, and to be a father of many nations, a prince of peace, and desiring to receive instructions, and to keep the commandments of God, I became a rightful heir, a High Priest, holding the right belonging to the fathers.
Abraham became an heir to being a prince of peace by becoming a High Priest. I contend he became a prince of peace before this world, but he still had to ascend through these steps in mortality if not only to demonstrate. He payed tithes to a man named Melchizedek - who He Himself was a King of Righteousness. That is what his name means. He was King of Salem, which means, "King of Peace." This clue is rather overt once you peace it together. Er piece it together. We may need to revive another thread on MMP before I get too sidetracked.
D&C 107:54 And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the prince, the archangel.
As I have studied the Davidic Servant, I have grown to believe firmly that he is the Chief of the Seraphim - the order of level 6. 6 wings, Isaiah 6 (the ordinance of level 6.) The Davidic Servant ascends from the East.
Isaiah 41:2
Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow.
The angel who seems to have authority over the 144,000:
Revelation 7: 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
The angel who ascends from the east. This could refer to the Davidic Servant before he is born as Revelation 7:2 takes place during the sixth seal. The foreheads obviously refers to the sixth chakra - the Third Eye. This is the chakra that represents deep, spiritual understanding. The Davidic Servant is the head of their order, having the seal himself. The 144,000 have the seal in their foreheads because they are high priests of the 6th level of mankind who will also have that seal opened as we see in the 6th use of ovecometh. This is what level 6 beings receive when they overcome!
Revelation 3: 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
The crowned woman in Revelation 12 is birthing a son into a new order. That seal is opened! SHE IS BIRTHING A SON TO THE FATHER HIMSELF!!! The Davidic Servant ascends to a level where he will no more go out - This is a big deal on the other side of the veil!

The Princes of Level 7 are of the order of the CROWN Chakra. They have received crowns of glory "to go no more out." The crown chakra represents the connection to the divine. This is why the dispensation heads themselves reveal so much more than the other prophets and apostles!

Gileadi breaks Isaiah down for the Davidic Servant who undergoes a period of time as a conditional servant - his reward conditional upon his "overcoming" if I may.
These things typify God’s dealings with his end-time servant. Part III of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 9–12; 41–46) depicts the servant undergoing a descent phase of trials and afflictions in the pattern of King David that is the prelude to his ascent phase. Acting as a proxy savior of his people as did David, the servant obtains their divine protection—at which point God exalts him and makes with him an unconditional covenant as he did with David. Avraham Gileadi - http://www.isaiahexplained.com/resource ... -of-isaiah
The Davidic Servant overcomes, ascends and undergoes a period of time as an unconditional son. This is after the Davidic Servant ascends from level 6 to level 7 and becomes a prince himself in my view. Born to royalty to go no more out.

The CROWNED lady giving birth in Revelation 12. Isaiah 9:6 - For Unto Us a Child is Born. These two scriptures are linked in a huge way. Isaiah 9:6 is not a Messianic Prophecty - http://www.isaiahexplained.com/9#commentary OT scriptures fulfilled in Christ are mentioned all the time throughout the NT. Nobody mentions this one because it's not about Him. It's about the Davidic Servant. And he's not called "The Mighty God" but a "Mighty Man of Valor" - a mistranslation. The url above expounds.

Whether the world is aware of the ascension that may go right along with Rev 12 and 9/23/2017 or not is yet to be seen, however it makes sense to me that the Lord's second coming may actually descend the levels of the rainbow. He may appear first to the DS at his ascension and it may be an extremely private affair given that he will finally have the Father's name revealed to him, as well as the name of the city of the Father, which is New Jerusalem, from where JUSTICE is represented, from where the man named "Righteousness" by the Lord Himself will reign, and the Lord will reveal to him His own name as well! I plan on creating a new thread about this, as there is too much to write here.

EDIT: I just learned that ZEDEK, which means righteouness, is the name of the planet Jupiter! Supposedly there's evidence to this going WAY back in Jewish Astronomy. The Woman in Revelation 12 is giving birth to Righteousness - THE NAME OF THE DAVIDIC SERVANT GIVEN BY ISAIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Another thought to reinforce the 7 Archangels being over their respective orders. Each archangel not only demonstrates the penultimate way to overcome their respective order, but they leave the whiners without excuse.

5th level whiner: But Noah, the Law of the Gospel is hard! I gave up when my neighbors wouldn't listen. I gave up when my 2 year mission was fruitless. I gave up when life became hard.
Noah: Try preaching for 120 years without a single convert.
4th level whiner: But Father Abraham, The Law of Sacrifice is hard.
Abraham: Try waiting for a son for decades and then having to sacrifice him.
3rd level whiner: But Moses, The Law of Obedience is just too difficult!
Moses: Try living as a Prince of a Royal Court and being commanded to leave it all behind. Try dealing with the most stubborn man in history. Try wandering a desert for 40 years knowing you would never see the promised reward.
2nd level whiner: But Peter, overcoming the Natural Man to join God's people is hard! The joys of the flesh!
Peter: Mind over matter. Try walking on water sometime.
1st level whiner: But Joseph Smith! Do not cast me into the fire, into Outer Darkness. I was afraid! I was deceived!
Joseph Smith: Try having the powers of hell combine against you since your youth. Try having your closest friends rebel against you, your wife, and try saying goodbye to your small children knowing you are walking as a lamb to the slaughter. Try attempting to build ZION and failing only to see a mere level 6 being succeed where you failed.
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6th level whiner--The Davidic Servant: But Enoch! Building ZION is hard!
Enoch: You had the help of angels! :ymhug: O:-)

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I have subsequently started a blog to put all my articles in one place. I have created an introductory blog to this article:

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... nkind.html

In fact, I will be breaking down this article into at least three pieces:

The Seven Levels of Mankind - The keys of understanding how the levels are defined in the Book of Revelation and how to identify the dispensation heads / archangels.
The First Four Levels of Mankind- Levels one through four will be explored and defined with supporting scriptural evidence.
The Final Three Levels of Mankind - Levels five through seven will be explored and defined with supporting scriptural evidence
The Seven Levels of the Rainbow - I promise I won't even mention the word "chakra" until this final post. I can't believe how many people choke on this point, though I can see how the way the article is written it seems understanding chakras are the core component to understanding these levels. It is not. :) It is but one layer of many, many layers.

I have only finished the first of three articles and have linked it above. I recommend reading that article before reading this one at the very least. I will add the other two to this thread once completed. Thank you for reading! :) :ymhug:
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wow good work very interesting..

reminded me of this quote from Joseph for some reason..
“Everlasting covenant was made between three personages before the organization of this earth and relates to their dispensation of things to men on the earth. These personages … are called God the first, the Creator; God the second, the Redeemer; and God the third, the Witness or Testator.” - Joseph (https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... 2?lang=eng)
So does this mean that the Creator, Redeemer, and Testator have their dispensations too?

- should we replace Paul with Christ? for that dispensation?

- Joseph called himself the witness or testator so he has one according to your research..

and the Creator seems to have one as well?

- I guess Michael fits since he helped in the creation and has a dispensation..

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sandman45 wrote: July 3rd, 2017, 4:13 pm wow good work very interesting..

reminded me of this quote from Joseph for some reason..
“Everlasting covenant was made between three personages before the organization of this earth and relates to their dispensation of things to men on the earth. These personages … are called God the first, the Creator; God the second, the Redeemer; and God the third, the Witness or Testator.” - Joseph (https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... 2?lang=eng)
So does this mean that the Creator, Redeemer, and Testator have their dispensations too?

- should we replace Paul with Christ? for that dispensation?

- Joseph called himself the witness or testator so he has one according to your research..

and the Creator seems to have one as well?

- I guess Michael fits since he helped in the creation and has a dispensation..
Wow I've actually been thinking a lot about this the past 24 hours, trying to piece together all the deep meanings of the dispensation heads. It's still a work in progress, but that's why I love posting here:

CELESTIAL SOULS DISPENSATIONS, levels 7,6,5 souls
1. Michael/Adam - Father of all living
2. Enoch - Son, saved ZION
3. Noah - Testator - witnessed against wickedness to the telestial folks
JUDGEMENT (flood)
TERRESTRIAL SOULS DISPENSATIONS, levels 4,3 souls
4. Abrahm/Abraham - Father of nations, father of God's people - Celestial administration of Terrestrial souls?
5. Moses - Son, saved Israel from Egypt
MERIDIAN - ETERNAL SALVATION
TELESTIAL SOULS DISPENSATIONS (Time of the Gentiles), levels 2,1 souls
6. Simon/Peter - Father of the church? The time of the gentiles. (Peter, James, and John in the temple - Father, Son, and Testator.)
7. Joseph Smith - Final testator? Son? Suffered and died to help start temple work?
FINAL JUDGEMENT
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1,4, and 6 are the only ones that had name changes. 1 & 4 seem to fit the father role, though Peter I guess could be considered the Father of the church to the gentiles? He certainly falls under that role in the Peter, James, and John symbolism of the temple. Also, if you break the three eras down by Celestial, terrestrial, telestial, then the name changes line up nicely.

There's another Father / Son pattern in Abraham's dispensation

Abram - Abraham - Father
Isaac - Son (sacrifice)
Jacob - Israel - Father of the 12 tribes
Joseph - Son (saved Israel and his siblings)

Again only the fathers have the name changes. What other patterns do you see?
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


The Lord's new name is his name as the Father identity to a new creation with a new Son (or Sons.) To me that's the heavenly symbol of Abram/Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, Joseph.

Another interesting tidbit is that Jesus Christ Himself could bridge the gap between Moses and Peter. Moses's ministry is a "Son" ministry - that of mediator and savior. Jesus starts His ministry as Testator. For three years, He teaches, heals, comforts, etc. At the end of His ministry He saves through the suffering in the garden through his resurrection. Then He ends with his ascension becoming a Father. So He starts as a Testator and ends as inheriting all the Father hath. So it would go.

Moses - Son
Jesus - Testator
Jesus - Son
Jesus - Father
Peter - Son - gathers christian's Enoch (son) style
Joseph Smith - Testator - final witness to the world

As you can see I'm still working through it but there's so much there!

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OK I posted the next article - you will not find the word "chakra" anywhere ... yet.

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... nkind.html

I was going to power through all seven levels, but I realized that I need to break it up for the sake of readability / pacing. Enjoy!

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Ever wonder if rainbows were always there, but men couldn't see color?

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Interesting, thanks for the thoughts.

I think this sort of fits here, I hope you don't mind me throwing a slightly different take on progression in here as well.

There are 4 fingers on our hands, representing states of progression.

Pinky, premortal life as a spirit
Ring finger, telestial mortality
Middle finger, a terrestial state
Index finger, the celestial.

And opposite the fingers, the thumb, or, the opposer.

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This is fascinating.
And to the nay sayers:

Chakras are not an Eastern philosophy - they are real and a part of our complicated spiritual bodies.

The ancient prophet Ezekiel recorded his vision of the ethereal chakras (chakra means "wheel" in Sanskrit):

"...for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels." Ezekiel 1:19-21

see also Ezekiel 10:17; and very clearly corresponding with the colors of the "bow that is in the cloud after the rain"

Other examples:

“ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.” Daniel 7:9

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. – Revelation 4:5

Other important scriptures to ponder:
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.
-John 3:14

"...Christ is all, and in all." Colossians 3:11

“The kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:21

And finally:
Brigham Young said: “I am … afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security. … Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates.”

We seek for truth wherever we may find it. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that “Mormonism is truth. … The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is, that we believe that we have a right to embrace all, and every item of truth, without limitation or … being … prohibited by the creeds or superstitious notions of men.”

Much love to you all. :)

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*whew* I have finally finished the article that details levels five through eight. This has been a much lengthier process and writing than I anticipated. However, the good news is that I still haven't mentioned the word "chakra" three articles deep for those of you who dismissed this thread without a second thought once you saw the word. This concept is so much deeper, and writing these articles has certainly deepened my understanding and strengthened my testimony that the ascension of our souls does not take place with a resurrected body but with mortal bodies and that these layered souls all occupy the same space in telestial worlds as older souls descend for the next lessons while the younger souls continue to be born. You are adopted into Israel through baptism which is a symbol of rebirth and the sign of sustaining the firstborn is given at that ordinance. When Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born again he meant it literally folks. So if you can only join Israel through adoption by baptism, this is how souls are also born into Israel in a subsequent mortality.

Levels Five Through Eight

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... ns_12.html

Spoiler image here, though I highly suggest reading the article above first:

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New article! This one has been an amazing experience to write. I promise you will never look at the RAINBOW the same. I certainly won't:

The Levels of Mankind & The Rainbow:

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... inbow.html


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EDIT: I added a section near the end - Part VI The Angel & The Rainbow which includes analysis of an important scripture in revelation about the rainbow crown upon the seventh angel.

Thank you! :)

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I am four articles in and still haven't mentioned chakras...

I was going to add it to this fourth article on the seven levels of mankind but the rainbow was so much deeper than I previously thought.

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I have read your blog, and it is most interesting. I prefer it without the chakras. They tend to muddle the water, however,I can see what you are saying and indeed you have put a wonderful amount of work and thought into this. I have often had questions and thoughts concerning being able to sit at the throne of God without having experienced as he did. Every head of dispensation has set an example of sacrifice that I have not been called to bear. This would answer many of those questions howbeit broader than that which I have been taught.

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solonan wrote: July 25th, 2017, 3:49 pm I have read your blog, and it is most interesting. I prefer it without the chakras. They tend to muddle the water, however,I can see what you are saying and indeed you have put a wonderful amount of work and thought into this. I have often had questions and thoughts concerning being able to sit at the throne of God without having experienced as he did. Every head of dispensation has set an example of sacrifice that I have not been called to bear. This would answer many of those questions howbeit broader than that which I have been taught.
In retrospect I'm truly grateful for those who chimed in on this thread with only criticizing chakras, even though they didn't consider the rest of the model. Because of this criticism, I set to show how none of this relies upon the chakras ... at all. However, please keep an open heart, as when I finally bring chakras in the mix, they do add another important layer of understanding that ties into the temple .. into the rainbow .. into the dispensation heads ... into the dispensations .. into 8 uses of overcometh ... into the creation ... into the days of the week, the phases of mortal life ... it all ties together! So much so that if you remove chakras .... consider all the other evidence .... and then look at the chakras again one realizes that the chakras indeed were taken from universal truth. Those who try to use chakras and meditation and try to have spirituality without the Lord will never be able to fully realize or grasp their potential until they embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Edit: Thank you by the way. Sometimes I want to start grabbing people and start shaking them shouting, "LOOOOOK!" as I wonder how many are seeing these amazing connections and grasping the depths and wonder--I truly appreciate your thanks and comments!

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CelestialAngel wrote: July 26th, 2017, 10:28 pm Alright alaris how do we reach chakra level 7? Do we have to all become saviors and suffer as much as Jesus suffered. If so Jesus atonement was only for Jesus personal gain by your theory.
Alright alaris? Am I detecting a tone spawned from bitterness or am I misreading some genuine truth seeking? Pride does not mix well with the quest for truth.

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Then I invite you to read the linked articles from the first post with a prayer and a sincere heart.

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CelestialAngel wrote: July 27th, 2017, 1:50 pm
alaris wrote: July 26th, 2017, 11:21 pm Then I invite you to read the linked articles from the first post with a prayer and a sincere heart.
I did and the only question I have is in your opinion to achieve godhood do we have to live a life like Jesus, meaning being a savior. I read the full first post and you hinted at that and I am just asking because I want to ponder on it myself if to become like Heavenly Father we first have to become like Jesus literally and be saviors which would be a higher level. I'm not mocking anything you wrote I'm sincerely asking your opinion if you think we need to live a life similar to Jesus by being saviors.
Yes. There is tons of evidence for this, but let's begin with a question. Is there one path to Godhood or two? Jesus did not inherit all the father has until after he atoned for our sins, resurrected, and ascended. He achieved salvation for a creation - salvation from physical death and spiritual death ... and THEN he received all of the father's inheritance.

So if there's two paths to godhood then are there Saviors who become Fathers and we who become lesser Gods empowered with the same abilities to create spirits and govern creation? NO.

There is one path.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Think of the temple. Even Michael, the greatest soul bound to this Earth was not actively in the presence of the Father until he took on the identity of Adam...and even then only had small exposures with the Father. Peter, James, and John had zero exposure to the father in the temple, and the father was hidden in a cloud in the mount of transfiguration, which is super relevant. Again I strongly recommend reading the articles in my blog, which are now numbered in ordered on the left side. http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/

How does a soul become a son of the morning? How does a soul become firstborn? Does God just put more light into the early ones...putting the most light in the firstborn? That's not how light acquisition works, and that's not how Jesus acquired light:
D&C 93:11 And I, John, bear record that I beheld his glory, as the glory of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, even the Spirit of truth, which came and dwelt in the flesh, and dwelt among us.
12 And I, John, saw that he received not of the fulness at the first, but received grace for grace;
13 And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness;
14 And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first.
15 And I, John, bear record, and lo, the heavens were opened, and the Holy Ghost descended upon him in the form of a dove, and sat upon him, and there came a voice out of heaven saying: This is my beloved Son.
16 And I, John, bear record that he received a fulness of the glory of the Father;
17 And he received all power, both in heaven and on earth, and the glory of the Father was with him, for he dwelt in him.
18 And it shall come to pass, that if you are faithful you shall receive the fulness of the record of John.
19 I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and know what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness.
20 For if you keep my commandments you shall receive of his fulness, and be glorified in me as I am in the Father; therefore, I say unto you, you shall receive grace for grace.
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
These are subtle clues that become more and more overt when one asks, seeks, and knocks with sincerity and prayer. What does the church of the firstborn mean? A church is an organized body of people or souls. The church of the firstborn are those souls who have advanced to a degree at which they themselves are learning to become Gods .. learning to become firstborn themselves. Becoming an Adam and an Eve is a step in this direction which is why the temple endowment says to imagine ourselves as Adam and Eve. In my articles, I detail the levels. I believe levels 5 through 7 are the church of the firstborn - level 8 IS the firstborn.

So in a nutshell, you have to ascend each level in turn and yes you have to be a Son before you can become a Father. Sorta makes sense when phrased like that.

Here is my oft quoted portion of the King Follet Sermon that Joseph Smith gave near the end of his life.
Here, then, is eternal life—to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings, and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.
There is one path. The same path as all gods have done before us. We are begotten through Christ when we become members of the church of the Firstborn? What does that mean? Does it mean we are begotten into a new creation to become the sons of the morning, the noble and great ones who will then be assigned to their own worlds over which they will administer? I believe so, strongly.
Abraham 3: 22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.
This is why Brigham Young spoke of Adam in a way confusing to so many ... who will Adam become in the next creation? Who will we be to him?

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Thanks CelestialAngel. I can't leave my last question hanging:

The 8th use of overcometh:
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Though this promise is attainable by all eventually it is given specifically to the Son. Jesus fulfilled this promise of the father and inherited all things.

The 7th use of overcometh :
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
This promise is also eventually attainable by all but is specifically given to level seven beings like Adam. Overcome your level Adam and then you will sit with the Lord in His throne and overcome as He overcame. This is as overt a scripture as can be that we must do His works quite literally to ascend to the level of Father.

So what will Adam say when he becomes firstborn to a new creation?

He will say he is only doing the things he saw his father do... He and we become spiritually begotten sons and daughters of Christ as we are taken with him in the next creation where He presides as Father. That's who the Father and Jesus were in their creation that precedes ours. Jesus was an Adam and the Father was a Savior.

From king follet, Joseph Smith said about the father if we could see him :
He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.
What did Jesus say? (Mark it, Elder Rigdon!) The scriptures inform us that Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power—to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious—in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you going to do? To lay down my life as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you do not believe it you do not believe the Bible. The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it.
It is the plan of salvation... The endless plan that will always exist by which children become begotten sons and daughters who then become Gods and Goddesses.

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Speaking of Chakras, specifically the 6th, this is cool. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtLkzg8bFgA

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