Thoughts on the Pure Revelations Blog

[e-eye2.0]

I don't read this blog but may start based on some of the negative reactions by self-assured saints.

HaHa - well that goes without saying doesn't it? Isn't that how Snuffer gained his followers...

[mcusick]

I don't read this blog but may start based on some of the negative reactions by self-assured saints.

HaHa - well that goes without saying doesn't it? Isn't that how Snuffer gained his followers...

Snuffer gained his followers by being the dissonant preacher type. But I don't think he's ever said/written anything this as interesting as this:

"I asked about the mother of Adam and Eve in this world. I wanted to know about her and where she came from. I saw a dark-skinned woman. She reminded me of a beautiful woman from India. She was tall with long dark hair. I was told she came on a vessel from another world with two other couples. Their vessel contained many different animals and species, like an ark. They brought their knowledge with them. I was told there were five arks from different worlds that came to this earth. Each settled a different part of the world. They were led here by the angels of God. Once they landed, their vessels were disassembled and destroyed. Adam and Eve and the people who nurtured them settled in the area of North America. The mother of Adam and Eve in the flesh was named Shiffrin and her husband, Shokula. The names sound strange, but that’s what I was given."
(p.30, A Witness of the Temporal Dispensations)

My decision to start reading the Pure Revelation blog has proven exciting!

[leisure_59]

You have just started on a fantastic journey of truth and light, mcusick! Be sure to study Anonymous' explanation of the Book of Moses...it will assist you in going deeper in understanding the endowment ceremony.

[Mark]

I don't read this blog but may start based on some of the negative reactions by self-assured saints.

HaHa - well that goes without saying doesn't it? Isn't that how Snuffer gained his followers...

Snuffer gained his followers by being the dissonant preacher type. But I don't think he's ever said/written anything this as interesting as this:

"I asked about the mother of Adam and Eve in this world. I wanted to know about her and where she came from. I saw a dark-skinned woman. She reminded me of a beautiful woman from India. She was tall with long dark hair. I was told she came on a vessel from another world with two other couples. Their vessel contained many different animals and species, like an ark. They brought their knowledge with them. I was told there were five arks from different worlds that came to this earth. Each settled a different part of the world. They were led here by the angels of God. Once they landed, their vessels were disassembled and destroyed. Adam and Eve and the people who nurtured them settled in the area of North America. The mother of Adam and Eve in the flesh was named Shiffrin and her husband, Shokula. The names sound strange, but that’s what I was given."
(p.30, A Witness of the Temporal Dispensations)

My decision to start reading the Pure Revelation blog has proven exciting!

The guy is obviously on his way out of the church if he hasnt already withdrawn or been exed. If you are interested in following his path knock yourself out. It's called the sifting process. Many have already and will shortly join the bandwagon. The internet sites are overflowing with them.

[AI2.0]

I don't read this blog but may start based on some of the negative reactions by self-assured saints.

You'll probably enjoy it.

[AI2.0]

I don't read this blog but may start based on some of the negative reactions by self-assured saints.

HaHa - well that goes without saying doesn't it? Isn't that how Snuffer gained his followers...

Snuffer gained his followers by being the dissonant preacher type. But I don't think he's ever said/written anything this as interesting as this:

"I asked about the mother of Adam and Eve in this world. I wanted to know about her and where she came from. I saw a dark-skinned woman. She reminded me of a beautiful woman from India. She was tall with long dark hair. I was told she came on a vessel from another world with two other couples. Their vessel contained many different animals and species, like an ark. They brought their knowledge with them. I was told there were five arks from different worlds that came to this earth. Each settled a different part of the world. They were led here by the angels of God. Once they landed, their vessels were disassembled and destroyed. Adam and Eve and the people who nurtured them settled in the area of North America. The mother of Adam and Eve in the flesh was named Shiffrin and her husband, Shokula. The names sound strange, but that’s what I was given."
(p.30, A Witness of the Temporal Dispensations)

My decision to start reading the Pure Revelation blog has proven exciting!

The guy is obviously on his way out of the church if he hasnt already withdrawn or been exed. If you are interested in following his path knock yourself out. It's called the sifting process. Many have already and will shortly join the bandwagon. The internet sites are overflowing with them.

He believes that God (he identifies later as 'the Lord') is revealing his will to him and a while ago, Jesus apparently told him to pay tithing in a different way...which as I see it, essentially meant that 'Jesus' told him to not pay tithing. Because he stopped paying his tithing, he no longer has a temple recommend and therefore can not attend the temple anymore. So, as a believing member of the LDS church, whose Prophet, Pres. Nelson, just admonished us yesterday (his first public message of his Presidency) to stay on the Covenant Path(including the covenants of The Temple). And I'm supposed to believe, per Anonymous of supposedly 'Pure Revelations' blog, that Jesus doesn't want him to pay his tithing or attend the temple. If I have a testimony that the CofJCofLDS is the Lord's true church, then this 'revelation' Anonymous received is ridiculous. It directly contradicts the counsel of a true Prophet of God.

Yes, tragically, he's on his way out of the church. His writings will appeal to those who are out of the church or are following one of the many paths that lead away and eventually out of the church. To those who care to nurture their testimony of the gospel of our church and the counsel of our LDS Prophets and don't have a desire to leave the path that leads to the Tree of Life, as Lehi observed, this blog is not for them.

[e-eye2.0]

I don't read this blog but may start based on some of the negative reactions by self-assured saints.

HaHa - well that goes without saying doesn't it? Isn't that how Snuffer gained his followers...

Snuffer gained his followers by being the dissonant preacher type. But I don't think he's ever said/written anything this as interesting as this:

"I asked about the mother of Adam and Eve in this world. I wanted to know about her and where she came from. I saw a dark-skinned woman. She reminded me of a beautiful woman from India. She was tall with long dark hair. I was told she came on a vessel from another world with two other couples. Their vessel contained many different animals and species, like an ark. They brought their knowledge with them. I was told there were five arks from different worlds that came to this earth. Each settled a different part of the world. They were led here by the angels of God. Once they landed, their vessels were disassembled and destroyed. Adam and Eve and the people who nurtured them settled in the area of North America. The mother of Adam and Eve in the flesh was named Shiffrin and her husband, Shokula. The names sound strange, but that’s what I was given."
(p.30, A Witness of the Temporal Dispensations)

My decision to start reading the Pure Revelation blog has proven exciting!

Sounds a lot like Julie Rowe.

That's all Satan can really go for is shock and awe with a little awesome in there. It's hard to lure people away from the truth once they have tasted and learned by the spirit.

Denver Snuffer gained a following by offering something similar but in a different manner. He was more knowledge based in his false doctrine and this guy is more excitement based. Two paths to gather two different groups of people that lead to the same end. Scratch is pretty smart.

[inho]

Snuffer gained his followers by being the dissonant preacher type. But I don't think he's ever said/written anything this as interesting as this:

"I asked about the mother of Adam and Eve in this world. I wanted to know about her and where she came from. I saw a dark-skinned woman. She reminded me of a beautiful woman from India. She was tall with long dark hair. I was told she came on a vessel from another world with two other couples. Their vessel contained many different animals and species, like an ark. They brought their knowledge with them. I was told there were five arks from different worlds that came to this earth. Each settled a different part of the world. They were led here by the angels of God. Once they landed, their vessels were disassembled and destroyed. Adam and Eve and the people who nurtured them settled in the area of North America. The mother of Adam and Eve in the flesh was named Shiffrin and her husband, Shokula. The names sound strange, but that’s what I was given."
(p.30, A Witness of the Temporal Dispensations)

My decision to start reading the Pure Revelation blog has proven exciting!

In another thread, I called Julie Rowe's writings and podcasts Mormon fanfiction. The same classification applies here.

[Juliet]

I think it says in the Bible that at some point the overcomers will be given a white stone and will be able to access wisdom, truth, history, and learning through it.

If people start receiving their white stone and learning through it, do we really expect them to find that history and truth lines up with the distorted versions we have here on earth? Maybe these people don't need the church because the church is training wheels. Maybe the rest of us are still on the training wheels and blaming those who graduated and don't need them anymore.

It can still be Jesus' church, but being a member of the church ought to help us move up the spiritual ladder and not be the end in and of itself.

[Mark]

I think it says in the Bible that at some point the overcomers will be given a white stone and will be able to access wisdom, truth, history, and learning through it.

If people start receiving their white stone and learning through it, do we really expect them to find that history and truth lines up with the distorted versions we have here on earth? Maybe these people don't need the church because the church is training wheels. Maybe the rest of us are still on the training wheels and blaming those who graduated and don't need them anymore.

It can still be Jesus' church, but being a member of the church ought to help us move up the spiritual ladder and not be the end in and of itself.

It's called spiritual elitism Sister. Developing a broken heart and a contrite spirit leads you TOWARD additional service in Christs church and kingdom here on earth, not away from it. Best figure that out before some charlatan takes you down the path of deception and sorrow.

[Juliet]

I think it says in the Bible that at some point the overcomers will be given a white stone and will be able to access wisdom, truth, history, and learning through it.

If people start receiving their white stone and learning through it, do we really expect them to find that history and truth lines up with the distorted versions we have here on earth? Maybe these people don't need the church because the church is training wheels. Maybe the rest of us are still on the training wheels and blaming those who graduated and don't need them anymore.

It can still be Jesus' church, but being a member of the church ought to help us move up the spiritual ladder and not be the end in and of itself.

It's called spiritual elitism Sister. Developing a broken heart and a contrite spirit leads you TOWARD additional service in Christs church and kingdom here on earth, not away from it. Best figure that out before some charlatan takes you down the path of deception and sorrow.

Is it elitism to share your experiences with others or is that service? Is it elitism to express condemnation toward others experiences or is it service?

Elitism seems to exist wherever one goes depending on one's beliefs.

[Reluctant Watchman]

However there are some definite red flags. He doesn't outright fault the Church, but does have a few insinuations that they aren't completely on the right track. He also claims in his book that the Lord told him to pay his Tithing a different way. (Directly to revealed needy families rather than to the Bishop.) This caused him to lose his temple recommend. He seems to indicate that this was almost an Abrahamic test of sorts that led to him receiving the Second Comforter. I think I would be fine with this because Abrahamic tests starting with Abraham have always seemed pretty contradictory (I mean God literally told Abraham to sacrifice his son, not exactly orthodox or easy). For his part, he says he still attends Church and admits that it is mostly true. He's definitely one of the remnant folks.

This was one of the things that made me connect with PR more and has helped validate other things I’ve read. (I recently finished reading PRs first book on the Second Comforter btw)

I’m curious to read the rest of this thread.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Apostate, stay away from this false teacher.

LOL…. LOL… I have to chuckle at what this person would think of me.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Never go back to this blog site.

Given recent events in the church, maybe you should check out this blog again.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I'd have to say that if a person's revelations lead them to be unable to enter the temple that the revelations are false.

Crazy what a little time and experience can do…

[Reluctant Watchman]

Hi friends, I've been following this bloghttps://purerevelations.wordpress.com for around a year or so, and I wanted to know your thoughts on it.

The author, who remains anonymous, has claimed to receive his Baptism of Fire and the Second Comforter. He posts occasionally and has written a book https://www.amazon.com/How-Have-Your-Se ... B01G7B1B12 detailing his experience and some techniques to help individuals get there as well.

For the most part I like the blog, he always tells people to confirm what he says with the Lord and mostly posts spiritually uplifting things and interesting ways to look at gospel ideas.

However there are some definite red flags. He doesn't outright fault the Church, but does have a few insinuations that they aren't completely on the right track. He also claims in his book that the Lord told him to pay his Tithing a different way. (Directly to revealed needy families rather than to the Bishop.) This caused him to lose his temple recommend. He seems to indicate that this was almost an Abrahamic test of sorts that led to him receiving the Second Comforter. I think I would be fine with this because Abrahamic tests starting with Abraham have always seemed pretty contradictory (I mean God literally told Abraham to sacrifice his son, not exactly orthodox or easy). For his part, he says he still attends Church and admits that it is mostly true. He's definitely one of the remnant folks.

I'm very hesitant about these kind of blogs because of the whole Denver Snuffer situation. I don't want to get roped in by a charlatan who claims they alone are in the right way, while the leaders of the Church are wrong. However, I do feel that reading the posts have been a positive influence on my spirituality. I feel that I read more, pray better, and really seek more to have a relationship with my father in heaven.

What are your thoughts. Is it a net good or a net bad? Cheers!

And that is how Satan gets you. He leads astray by subtle changes. You let go of the Iron rod because of the blog MOSTLY being good. Your parallel course besides the Iron Rod in a straight line eventually gets further and further away. In today's terms which has already been stated is STAY IN THE BOAT. You have already climbed out.

You state that the website has had a positive influence on you; In my mind that is NOT enough justification for continuing to read the blog. Anything that talks bad about the Prophet or GA's even ever so small should be a huge red flag. Satan’s plan for men is to lead “them by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever” (2 Ne. 26:22). He will “pacify” them and “lull them away into carnal security” so that he can lead them “carefully down to hell” (2 Ne. 28:21).

There are better choices out there. Why not try a daily dose of surfing through LDS.org or Mormon.org. There are tons of videos sure to edify and uplift. The fact that you are on this website looking for approval or advice of continued use of the blog shows you are unsure. THAT is your answer.

I’m only commenting here so to bring to remembrance where many of us were. It’s refreshing to see so many choosing Christ over the arm of flesh and awakening to what is going on in the world today.

Godspeed Kittycat.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Monson can only derive his authority from the foundation of Joseph Smith. If you want to say, Joseph Smith was a false prophet, than the church is false as well. That would make Monson a false prophet.

You cannot discard Joseph Smith without discarding the whole church. Joseph Smith must retain the preeminent spot or you have nothing but falsehoods. No man can build on his own foundation.

Throw out the Lectures on Faith, might as well throw out the whole church.

I was holding out hope for Thomas…

I fell to this same trap, that somehow JS was tied to the validity of the church today.

[Reluctant Watchman]

The answer is simple. Does it testify of Christ and bring further light and truth into your life? Confirm all things with the Holy Ghost, you can ask people on here but until you go to the Lord directly you won't find a solid confirmation. If you want to know something, ask Him. (in His spirit of peace and love, sot that he may connect with you). I follow the blog as well, one reason he prefers to stay anonymous is because he doesn't want followers to his name, he wants people to take the message directly to God; which is understandable. He's actually not a big Remnant follower, his experiences push against Denver Snuffer on several topics like DS's latest translation of St. John.

Joseph Smith often spoke about the fallibility of men, he himself repented often and publicly, asking for forgiveness when something was wrong. " Remember, remember that it is not the work of God that is frustrated, but the work of men;

4 For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him."

So if a man encourages you to know God directly and not only that but to see Him, what is the red flag? How can that damn you from the Lord? Yes, you will be tested, the adversary will masquerade as God at times, but we must all walk through that fire to Christ if we are to know His Spirit from deceptive spirits. We must all walk our own path to the Lord if we are to become reliant upon His Spirit personally in all things that we do. The original hebrew meaning for Worship is something like "consistent relationship with God". A consistent connection to the Lord within your own heart, not through the medium of another. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3....

The modern LDS like to think of the words of men (lds presidents) as definitive as the Holy Ghost, which misses the mark. We must not rely upon the arm of flesh or your Salvation, The Lord wants us each to know Him directly, prophets simply share messages and gather people to pierce the veil themselves.



"The Two Comforters, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith,comp. Joseph Fielding Smith (SLC: Deseret Book Co., 1938), 149-151.

There are two Comforters spoken of. One is the Holy Ghost, the same as given on the day of Pentecost, and that all Saints receive after faith, repentance, and baptism. This first Comforter or Holy Ghost has no other effect than pure intelligence. It is more powerful in expanding the mind, enlightening the understanding, and storing the intellect with present knowledge, of a man who is of the literal seed of Abraham, than one that is a Gentile, though it may not have half as much visible effect upon the body; for as the Holy Ghost falls upon one of the literal seed of Abraham, it is calm and serene; and his whole soul and body are only exercised by the pure spirit of intelligence; while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham (naturally) must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost. In such a case, there may be more of a powerful effect upon the body, and visible to the eye, than upon an Israelite, while the Israelite at first might be far before the Gentile in pure intelligence.

The Second Comforter

The other Comforter spoken of is a subject of great interest, and perhaps understood by few of this generation. After a person has faith in Christ, repents of his sins, and is baptized for the remission of his sins and receives the Holy Ghost, (by the laying on of hands), which is the first Comforter, then let him continue to humble himself before God, hungering and thirsting after righteousness, and living by every word of God, and the Lord will soon say unto him, Son, thou shalt be exalted.

When the Lord has thoroughly proved him, and finds that the man is determined to serve Him at all hazards, then the man will find his calling and his election made sure, then it will be his privilege to receive the other Comforter, which the Lord hath promised the Saints, as is recorded in the testimony of St. John, in the 14th chapter, from the 12th to the 27th verses.

Note the 16, 17, 18, 21, 23 verses-

Now what is this other Comforter? It is no more nor less than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself; and this is the sum and substance of the whole matter; that when any man obtains this last Comforter, he will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend him, or appear unto him from time to time, and even He will manifest the Father unto him, and they will take up their abode with him, and the visions of the heavens will be opened unto him, and the Lord will teach him face to face, and he may have a perfect knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of God; and this is the state and place the ancient Saints arrived at when they had such glorious visions--Isaiah, Ezekiel, John upon the Isle of Patmos, St. Paul in the three heavens, and all the Saints who held communion with the general assembly and Church of the Firstborn.

The Spirit of Revelation

The Spirit of Revelation is in connection with these blessings. A person may profit by noticing the first intimation of the spirit of revelation; for instance, when you feel pure intelligence flowing into you, it may give you sudden strokes of ideas, so that by noticing it, you may find it fulfilled the same day or soon; (i.e.,) those things that were presented unto your minds by the Spirit of God, will come to pass; and thus by learning the Spirit of God and understanding it, you may grow into the principle of revelation, until you become perfect in Christ Jesus.

I really like this comment. Wish they had continued on the forum.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I was very excited to read about his process of seeking the 2nd Comforter.

Then I began exploring his website and other books. More and more strange things appeared: not paying tithing and then losing a temple recommend (why not pay your tithing, keep a current temple recommend AND give gifts to the needy??); from his book on Temporal Dispensations, he claims Joseph Smith had thick red brown hair (it was more of a light brown flaxen color); that Jospeph never practiced polygamy; that Fanny Alger never was a wife of Joseph; that monogamy is the true standard; that Brigham changed and embellished the endowment, etc.

The deeper I dig, the more I am disturbed that I read the writings of a deceiver.

Oh, my… I am excited to read more from PR. We truly are kindred spirits.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I do try to be a believing sort, and I gave this blog a try. I believe my participation here has shown that I'm generally supportive of people seeking the face of our Lord. The resulting experiences in my life has prompted me to offer a caution to others about this blog. Honestly this is difficult for me to post, but I believe it true and this is the best place to put it.

I felt strongly enough about my experience I wrote a more detailed critique here https://purerevelationscheck.wordpress.com/

Essentially this one appears to be using subtle means to set himself up among those who seek such things. My impression from my spiritual experiences is that he is spiritually dangerous. These are my thoughts.

One point from this blog:

Page 192 Declares polygamy false doctrine, this is contrary to section 132 of D&C. Also implies that the then wicked church had Joseph Smith killed so it could practice this doctrine.

Yes, PR was spot on. JS was not a polygamist, 132 is a cobbled-together revelation and was intended to teach monogamy, and yes, JS was killed by his “friends” so they could lust in the flesh.

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/polygamy-adultery

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/joseph-smith-murder

[Reluctant Watchman]

"The modern LDS like to think of the words of men (lds presidents) as definitive as the Holy Ghost, which misses the mark. We must not rely upon the arm of flesh or your Salvation, The Lord wants us each to know Him directly, prophets simply share messages and gather people to pierce the veil themselves."

This is such a curious statement Jared. You seem to equate the words of the Prophets directly with the arm of flesh. Why? Do you feel Prophets do not speak under the influence of the Holy Ghost? Has that been your observation in the Kingdom? I sure hope that is not the case. Are you forgetting the Lords words in section 68?

2 And, behold, and lo, this is an ensample unto all those who were ordained unto this priesthood, whose mission is appointed unto them to go forth—

3 And this is the ensample unto them, that they shall speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost.

4 And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, shall be the will of the Lord, shall be the mind of the Lord, shall be the word of the Lord, shall be the voice of the Lord, and the power of God unto salvation.

How do you know if these Prophets are speaking as moved upon by the Holy Ghost? You must have that connection with the spirit yourself of course. This arm of flesh talking point you are alluding to which is spouted continuously by those who love to attack LDS Prophets is misplaced. I have felt the Holy Ghost confirm time and again that these Prophets are speaking under the influence of the Spirit. To me that indicates just exactly what the Lord says it indicates in verse 4. It is the same as If the Lord himself were speaking to me. How exactly would that be missing the mark? Perhaps those who think their words equate to the arm of flesh just need to do some fine tuning with their own spiritual antennas so that they can know for themselves who these Prophets are speaking in behalf of. Maybe they are to occupied looking for fault which seems to be the case with this pure revelations blog and many others out there like it when they should instead be listening for those spiritual promptings themselves? Just sayin..

Mark, wish you were still on the forum.

[LDS Physician]

I'd have to say that if a person's revelations lead them to be unable to enter the temple that the revelations are false.

Crazy what a little time and experience can do…

Wow. You are so right. A blast from my own past. I’m reeling.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I'd have to say that if a person's revelations lead them to be unable to enter the temple that the revelations are false.

Crazy what a little time and experience can do…

Wow. You are so right. A blast from my own past. I’m reeling.

I mentioned in one of my videos that the me of 4 years ago would hardly recognize the me of today. I'm excited to see where the Lord guides us all in the days ahead. It should be a wild, crazy, and exciting ride.

[Shawn Henry]

I mentioned in one of my videos that the me of 4 years ago would hardly recognize the me of today. I'm excited to see where the Lord guides us all in the days ahead. It should be a wild, crazy, and exciting ride.

Here's to the new you. May we all continue to change.

[LDS Physician]

Crazy what a little time and experience can do…

Wow. You are so right. A blast from my own past. I’m reeling.

I mentioned in one of my videos that the me of 4 years ago would hardly recognize the me of today. I'm excited to see where the Lord guides us all in the days ahead. It should be a wild, crazy, and exciting ride.

Do you sometimes question if the you of 4 years ago was right and that you’re currently not right? I do, sometimes, but it’s a fleeting doubt.