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Meet Gov. Sarah Palin, McCain's VP Pick

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I'm thrilled that McCain has chosen Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his VP nominee. Palin is a devout Christian, a mother of five, strongly pro-life and pro-marriage, a lifelong member of the NRA, a tough fiscal conservative, a believer in creation who supports teaching intelligent design in our schools, and a fierce opponent of corruption. With Palin as the VP pick, I'm now actually enthused about the GOP ticket. Bravo for McCain for picking such an outstanding VP nominee.

Here are some interesting, encouraging articles about Sarah Palin:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... _pali.html
(written in June)

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28288

http://conservativepulse.com/home/2008/ ... fect-pick/

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25717

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/435912.aspx

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This pick is a smoke screen.

Will having Palin make my taxes go from 40% to let's say around tithing rates????

What would she do that will make me get warm fuzzies????

The gadiantion robbers (including Palin)will want to keep taking away my money and seek to control my behavior.

Do not get blinded by the smoke.

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ROB,

It won't matter if taxes go down that much, what matter is the force that is used and the lost of freedom under the whole system.

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This pick is a smoke screen.
Ditto That!

She sounds great to me, but coupled with McCain - no way!!! I can see the game he is playing, won't work on me!

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I cannot imagine McCain making the decision to have Sarah Palin as his VP. I believe Ronald Reagan did not choose George Bush as his VP. I believe Bush was chosen for him as VP by persons more powerful that Reagan. I imagine that Cheney was picked as VP for Bush 43 for the specific role that he played in the current administration. Likewise, I strongly suspect, even believe, that Palin was chosen for McCain by the same puppet masters that picked the candidates for both major parties. She was given to McCain to be the "stalking horse" that Stephen Carson describes.

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CAN TWO WALK TOGETHER WITHOUT AGREEMENT?

By Chuck Baldwin
September 3, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

John McCain's selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his Vice Presidential running mate was exactly what he needed to do to make himself competitive against Barack Obama in the November elections. (For the record, I predicted three weeks ago that Palin would be his choice.) As a result (and right on cue), conservatives throughout the country--especially Christian conservatives--are now fully supporting McCain's candidacy for President. Even James "I-will-never-vote-for-John-McCain" Dobson has endorsed McCain.

By all appearances, Governor Palin is a true conservative. She is pro-life. She is pro-Second Amendment. Alaska is one of only two states (Vermont is the other) that recognize the right of their citizens to carry handguns without a Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW) permit. She was rightly critical of the invasion of Iraq, once calling it a "war for oil." Speaking of oil, she believes we should drill for oil in Alaska and throughout the U.S., and is critical of the federal government for allowing America to become dependent upon foreign oil for our energy needs. She even heaped praises upon the Republican that Republicans love to hate: Ron Paul. Beyond that, Lynette Clark, the chairman of the Alaskan Independence Party (the party under which yours truly is on the Presidential ballot this year) reports that Sarah Palin was a member of the party back in the early 90s. This is very encouraging in that the AIP is a patriotic, states' rights party that holds strong sentiments opposing the New World Order propensities of the two major parties. In essence, Sarah Palin is everything that John McCain isn't. Which leads to the question that was asked long ago by the Hebrew prophet: "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

When the no-compromise constitutionalist, Ron Paul, was asked by CNN's Wolf Blitzer if he would consider being John McCain's running mate, he said no. His reason for that was that should McCain do something fundamentally counter to his constitutional convictions--such as bombing Iran without a Declaration of War (or other possible unconstitutional actions that Paul knows McCain is predisposed to)--he would have to resign. Knowing this, he (Paul) could not in good conscience accept a McCain invitation to join his ticket (not that McCain would ever ask him to be his running mate; Ron was not even invited to participate in the Republican convention, for Pete's sake).

Herein lies the problem for Sarah Palin. How can a principled conservative support the policies and actions of an unprincipled globalist such as John McCain? As Vice President, Palin will be required to promote and defend McCain's big-government, liberal, and globalist plans. For example, what will she do when John McCain proposes amnesty for millions of illegal aliens, which he is certain to do? What will she do when McCain proposes to close gun shows, or at least the private sale of firearms at gun shows? What will she do when he proposes to increase federal spending for abortion providers (which he has done numerous times as senator)? What will she do when he promotes federal spending for embryonic stem cell research? What will she do when John McCain proliferates Bush's police state machinations by expanding the Patriot Act and similar legislation? What will Palin do when McCain decides to nuke Iran (and who knows what else), not only without a Declaration of War by Congress, but also without provocation or justification? What will she do as John McCain expands the Security and Prosperity Partnership with Canada and Mexico? What will she do as McCain opens the door of the NAFTA superhighway and the North American Union? What will she do as John McCain allows the United Nations to dictate and manipulate America's foreign policy? Again, can two walk together except they be agreed?

Let's face it: John McCain is using Sarah Palin as inducement to trick conservatives into accepting his liberal, big-government, globalist candidacy. And, sadly, it is working.

As I have said before, today's national Christian leaders are among the most gullible people on the planet. They are so desperate to be invited to sit at the king's table that they will compromise practically any principle. But accepting John McCain was a not only a bitter pill, it was a BIG pill, one they could not get down without a major dose of syrup. And that is exactly what Governor Palin brings to the table: sweet syrup to help conservatives swallow John McCain.

Unfortunately, the things that make Palin so attractive (her conservative principles) are the things that she will be forced to surrender in order to be John McCain's running mate. The best thing that can happen to Sarah Palin is for John McCain to lose the November election. This would allow her to go into the 2012 elections as perhaps the Republican Presidential frontrunner. If McCain wins in November, and Palin is forced to serve at the pleasure of this globalist insider for four years, she will be forever ruined as a genuine constitutional conservative. Remember, "No man can serve two masters." One cannot be faithful to the Constitution and a constitutional apostate such as John McCain at the same time. That is an absolute impossibility.


What our conservative friends need to wake up to is the depth of duplicity and wickedness that permeates Washington politics (in both major parties) today. There is nothing that these globalist insiders at the Council on Foreign Relations (of which John McCain is a longtime member) will not do to fulfill their power-mad plans. There is nothing too evil, too sinister, or too iniquitous, including using, abusing, chewing up and then spitting out good people such as Sarah Palin. Even more unfortunate and sad is the fact that the James Dobsons of this world are too blind to see it.

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Let's face it: John McCain is using Sarah Palin as inducement to trick conservatives into accepting his liberal, big-government, globalist candidacy. And, sadly, it is working.

Baldwin may well be right here but he refuses to look at another potential possibility or outcome because it doesn't suit his purposes. I have heard over and over that Cheney is the real mover and shaker behind the "neo-con" Bush agenda. Many here have said over and over that Cheney is pulling the strings on many issues. So lets give this a fair hearing. Could not Palin also be an influence for good on McCain in supporting issues that real conservatives and constitutionalists deem important? There is this foregone conclusion by Baldwin that Palin will just fall in line with a non-constitututional globalist agenda. Is that really a fair assesment or is that being just a wee bit bias in his thinking? Is the glass always going to be half empty with guys like Baldwin unless it goes his way?

The reality in this country is that we will have either a McCain Presidency or an Obama Presidency. Everyone on this board knows it. Neither Baldwin nor Barr nor anyone else has a snowballs chance in China of being elected. I wish things were different but they aren't. That is just the reality of todays political set-up in America. If McCain does get elected over Obama (and given those 2 choices I would take my chances with McCain/Palin much more readily) will those like Baldwin just throw in the towel and walk around naysaying any potential influence for good Palin may have with the agenda. I kind of think that may very well be the case based on his preconceived thoughts. I hope not. If true conservatives give up on fighting for any potential influence for good they might be able to exert then we are surely finished as a country. With Obama/Biden conservatives/constitutionalists will have 0 influence. At least Palin gives them a fighting chance to be heard and represented.

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Lew Rockwell wrote:What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night.

There comes a time in the life of every believer in freedom when he must declare, without any hesitation, to have no attachment to the idea of conservatism.

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The Calamity of Bush's Conservatism

by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/cal ... atism.html


This talk was delivered at the Rally for the Republic in Minneapolis, Minnesota, on September 2, 2008.

Sometimes people say that Americans are cynical about politics. Looking at the way the Bush administration has used and abused its power for the last eight years, is it really surprising?

You would have to be sedated not to be cynical.

It should be clear why the Ron Paul movement took the country by storm. It represents something different, something hopeful. Some commentators talk about how the Paulians have a dark view of American society. Actually, the opposite is true. That people worked so hard to save this country from the regular politicians speaks very highly of their outlook.

On the other hand, it is true that Paulians don't have a high regard for existing political structures.

Consider Bush. He has not only broken election promises and trampled on American liberties, he hasn't done a single decent thing for this country. And what he has done contradicts all of the values he said he would uphold both times he tricked people into voting for him.

I wish I could report that this wasn't his intention. And yet even from his first day in office, he spoke to aides about his priority of going to war on Iraq – a country hardly mentioned during his first presidential campaign.

Here's another example.

Just after Bush took office, David Frum, then a White House speechwriter, was part of a policy meeting with the new president. They were discussing the energy policy of the new administration. Recall that in those days, gasoline cost less than a dollar a gallon. Frum had the idea that it would be a political victory to drive down the price. He suggested the Bush use the phrase "cheap energy" to describe his goal.

Frum writes in his memoirs about what happened next. Bush "gave me a sharp, squinting look, as if he were trying to decide whether I was the very stupidest person he had heard from all day." He might have added that profits in the oil business – which is the business that this government cares most about – were growing thinner.

Cheap energy, he answered, was how we got into this mess.

What mess? Bush explained to Frum that regular Americans were buying too many SUVs and using too much gasoline and not paying enough for it. His answer was not to make energy cheaper, but to make it more expensive.

Congratulations, Mr. President. Your wars, your regulations, your disruption of the international economy, and your failure to open up the industry to anyone other than your friends has resulted in quadrupling the price of gasoline!

Of course, Bush's success comes at our expense. All of his successes have come at our expense. In fact, that last sentence might as well be the theme of his entire presidency.

Of course, he didn't campaign on the promise of making our lives more miserable. Let's take a look back and see what his slogans were.

Do you remember the phrase "compassionate conservatism"?

He said in an early speech that the phrase came from his insight that broken lives can only be rebuilt by another caring, concerned human being. From this he developed what he called a "bold new approach." He would use government to care for us and to love us and to fix our broken lives. He alone would do this as head of state.

Few knew at the time that this simple phrase "compassionate conservatism" masked a dangerous, Messianic ambition. Some wires had gotten crossed in his brain. He began to see himself as God's instrument on earth.

Here is another phrase from early in his presidency. Bush was going to create "an ownership society." Some commentators were stupid enough to believe that this meant that he would privatize things and give back control to the people.

To those who bought this line, I have only this to say: You Got Owned.

Remember the phrase, "humble foreign policy"? Coming from Bush, that sounds about as ridiculous as the phrase "peaceful war," except that he seems to believe in that too.

His delirium is like an infection. It spreads. After all, Bush supporters are the people who continue, even to this day, to talk about their amazing tactical successes in Afghanistan and Iraq. Another former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, in his new book, calls Iraq a "swift and humane success."

If such claims do not qualify as Orwellian, I don't know what the word means.

Many people say that the Bush administration has departed from conservative principles. There was a time when I might have said that too, if by conservatism we mean the constitutionalism of Robert Taft and Ron Paul.

But consider that Ron is the only Republican in the whole Congress or anywhere inside the Beltway to stand up to Bush's attempt to create a totalitarian state. Only he has consistently opposed Bush's wars, regulations, spying, and shredding of the Constitution. He alone warned against Bush’s monetary policies, his trade policies, his diplomatic misadventures, and his crazed, megalomaniacal arrogance.

You might say that many have opposed this administration privately. You might say the same thing about the Stalin, Hitler, and Mao administrations. Those who could speak out against the wickedness, and did not do so, are morally culpable.

What does this tell us? It tells us that conservatism as we once knew it is hopelessly corrupted. You can detect it at cocktail parties, where self-identified conservatives sneer at the very idea of liberty.

Clearly, in the age of Bush, conservatism now constitutes as great or even greater threat to American liberty than the left and left-liberalism. It is long past time for every right-thinking American to reject the term conservative as a self-description.

I for one no longer believe that Bush has betrayed conservatives. In fact, he has fulfilled conservatism, by completing the redefinition of the term that began many decades ago with Bill Buckley and National Review. Think of it realistically. What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night.

There comes a time in the life of every believer in freedom when he must declare, without any hesitation, to have no attachment to the idea of conservatism.

After immigrating to the U.S., Ludwig von Mises was aghast to find himself described as a conservative. He denounced that term in 1956. F.A. Hayek in 1960 announced very clearly that he was not a conservative. Murray Rothbard wrote thousands of words of protest against the term. Frank Chodorov went further. He said that anyone who called him a conservative would get a punch in the nose.

Now, the leaders of the Republican party are telling us that the only real alternative to the socialism of the Democrats is the fascism of the Republicans. They don't call it that, of course, but that's the traditional name for the combination of nationalism, militarism, and right-wing collectivism. They have a heritage, and it dates from the interwar period when certain European politicians took power amidst economic crisis. Having their confreres in power in our time represents the gravest danger facing our country.

Yet Ron Paul has been campaigning for liberty and against this danger since he first read Hayek and Mises in medical school, since he first encountered an immoral war’s severed limbs and crippled souls as a flight surgeon in the Air Force, since he first decided, on August 15, 1971, to dedicate his life as a public intellectual and a public official to free markets and sound money, against Nixonian economic controls and the unlimited money creation that has brought us even more booms and busts, and led us to the current crisis.

Indeed, since Ron Paul says he was born a libertarian, we can say he has been fighting for freedom his entire life.

To do all this, Ron Paul had to buck Republican conservatism. Look at the peerless, shining example he has set. And look what he has done, look at this historic event, and dream of what he will do in the future.

To those who have lingering attachments to conservatism, I will close with the words that Murray Rothbard had for the Young Americans for Freedom, spoken in 1960.

"Why don't you get out… breathe the clean air of freedom, and then take your stand, proudly and squarely, not with the despotism of the power elite and the government of the United States, but with the rising movement in opposition to that government? Then you will be libertarians indeed, in act as well as in theory. What hangover, what remnant of devotion to the monster State, is holding you back? Come join us, come realize that to break once and for all with statism is to break once and for all with the [Buckleyite] right-wing. We stand ready to welcome you."

Today, Ron Paul stands ready to welcome you. Like the many thousands at this historic event, we say to all who yearn to breathe free: Join us! Join Ron Paul!

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I posted the whole speech not just a quote ldsff....it gives the whole context.

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The thought of laying down and dying, or rolling over and playing dead doesn't set well with me. The beast increasingly is getting above us, and I don't think Sarah Palin is going to offer much if any real respite. But the show of support over just the last year for Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin has awakened a lot of people to our "awful situation" and rallyed a lot more people to the cause of constitutional government that Sarah Palin ever will. And to me that is more important than whatever reprieve Palin can achieve for us.

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ROB GIBBSEN wrote:This pick is a smoke screen.

Will having Palin make my taxes go from 40% to let's say around tithing rates????

What would she do that will make me get warm fuzzies????

The gadiantion robbers (including Palin)will want to keep taking away my money and seek to control my behavior.

Do not get blinded by the smoke.
I take it you didn't bother to read any of the articles I linked in my post.

There's a very good reason that Alaskan Democrats hate her with a passion, and that Alaskan big-spending Republicans like Stevens have complained that she doesn't try hard enough to get federal money for Alaska. The RINO (Republican in Name Only) element in Alaska hates Sarah Palin. One way to know the measure of a person is to look at their enemies. To judge from Sarah's enemies, she is one fine lady and a solid conservative.

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lundbaek wrote:I cannot imagine McCain making the decision to have Sarah Palin as his VP. I believe Ronald Reagan did not choose George Bush as his VP. I believe Bush was chosen for him as VP by persons more powerful that Reagan. I imagine that Cheney was picked as VP for Bush 43 for the specific role that he played in the current administration. Likewise, I strongly suspect, even believe, that Palin was chosen for McCain by the same puppet masters that picked the candidates for both major parties. She was given to McCain to be the "stalking horse" that Stephen Carson describes.
This is paranoia.

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lundbaek wrote:CAN TWO WALK TOGETHER WITHOUT AGREEMENT?
For one thing, Baldwin assumes too much divergence/difference between McCain and Palin.

McCAIN’S CONSERVATIVE VOTING RECORD

Gun Control

Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)

Tax Reform

Voted YES on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted YES on permanently repealing the death tax. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted NO on increasing tax deductions for college tuition. (May 2001)
Voted YES on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on phasing out the death tax. (Jul 2000)
Voted YES on Taxpayer Refund Act of 1999 to provide $800 billion in tax cuts (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on requiring super-majority for raising taxes. (Apr 1998)
Rated 72% by National Taxpayers Union, indicating "Satisfactory" on tax votes. (Dec 2003)
Consistently high ratings, ranging from 80% to 94%, from Citizens Against Government Waste
Pledges to make the Bush tax cuts permanent
Favors limiting the capital gains tax and the death tax to 15%
Pledges to oppose all tax increases

Abortion

Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by pro-abortion groups NARAL and Planned Parenthood
Rated 75% by pro-life group National Right to Life Committee

Budget and Economy

Voted YES on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Voted YES on Pay As You Go Amendment to prohibit deficit spending (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)
Voted YES on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)

Civil Rights

Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Supports amendment to protect American flag from desecration. (Mar 2001)
Will support Federal Marriage Amendment if federal judges start ignoring Defense of Marriage Act and state constitutional amendments (July 2006, Aug 2008)

Crime

Voted YES on limiting death penalty appeals. (Apr 1996)
Voted YES on limiting product liability punitive damage awards. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)
Voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals. (May 1994)
Pro-death penalty; more prisons; increased penalties. (Jul 1998)

Education

Voted YES on declaring memorial prayers and religious symbols OK at schools. (May 1999)
Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted NO on national education standards. (Feb 1994)
Teaching creationism should be decided by school districts. (Jun 2007)
Opposes nationally imposed standards & funding strings. (Feb 2000)
Teach virtues in all schools. (Dec 1999)
Enlist retirees for tutoring. (Nov 1999)
Good teachers should earn more than bad lawyers. (Oct 1999)
Consistently low ratings from the liberal National Education Association.

Energy and Oil

Voted NO on $3.1 billion for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on preserving budget for ANWR oil drilling. (Apr 2000)
Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)

Families and Children

Voted YES on Defense of Marriage Act. (Sep 1996)
Unfiltered Internet robs our children of their innocence. (Dec 1999)
Parents should be active in media kids are exposed to. (Jul 1999)
Label violent media products like we label cigarettes. (Jun 1999)
Media Responsibility Act requires video & music labeling. (Jun 1999)
Violence in media caused Littleton shootings. (Apr 1999)
Rated 83% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Government Reform

Voted NO on granting the District of Columbia a seat in Congress. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
Voted YES on Approving the presidential line-item veto. (Mar 1996)
Voted YES on Social Security Earnings Cap. (Mar 2000)

Health Care

Voted NO on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Medicare Prescription Drug Plan. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on blocking medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)
Tax credits for those without employee health insurance. (May 2002)
Tax deduction for long-term care insurance. (May 2002)
Opposes nationalized health care and socialized medicine.

Defense

Voted NO on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP. (Mar 1999)
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on considering deploying NMD, and amending ABM Treaty. (Jun 1996)
Long history of supporting military pay raises.
Long history of voting for veterans funding.
High ratings from the American Security Council, a conservative national security policy group.

Immigration

Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted YES on limit for welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

Jobs

Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
Voted YES on replacing farm price supports. (Feb 1996)

Judges

Voted YES on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted YES on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
Pledges to appoint judges like Roberts and Alito to the Supreme Court.

Social Security

Voted YES on Social Security Lockbox & limiting national debt. (Apr 1999)
Voted YES on allowing Roth IRAs for retirees. (May 1998)
Voted YES on allowing personal retirement accounts. (Apr 1998)
Voted YES on deducting Social Security payments on income taxes. (May 1996)

Welfare and Poverty

Voted YES on welfare block grants. (Aug 1996)
Voted YES on welfare reform. (Sep 1995)

Now, by any rational measurement, that is a rather conservative voting record. Yes, there are some black marks, but on balance McCain's record is fairly conservative.

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Here's a great article about Sarah Palin that was written last year, before anyone knew who would be the GOP nominee:

The Most Popular Governor
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 1orcjq.asp

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Mike,

Thanks for McCain's detailed voting record. I love to see things in black and white like that!! Where did you get the info?

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About 9 years ago I participated in a McCain recall effort here in AZ. I have noted that he flip flops often to maintain support of some conservatives who are easily fooled. I've watched him over the years, and made the following observations:

He, like Obama, Bush 41 & 43, and Clinton, is closet globalist who will do the bidding of the latter-day gadiantons and work to move us closer to world government. McCain is now shifting rapidly to the right, although in rhetoric only, hoping to convince conservatives to back him.

He met with leading Democrats in 2004 to discuss the possibility of being Democrat John Kerry's VP.

He shows no intention to seriously tackle the growth in government power and spending.

He continues to support illegal immigration and amnesty for all illegals. He even wrote the bill granting amnesty to illegal immigrants that was co-sponsored by Ted Kennedy.

He voted to give our social security money to illegal immigrants

He voted against the Bush tax cuts multiple times, yet still campaigns as a lifelong tax-cutter.

He wrote a bill that was co-sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman to impose a massive tax on energy which the Department of Energy said would drastically raise the price of gasoline.

He is the "most corrupt person on earth" according to his own son. (Even Reagan’s adopted daughter was nowhere near that hard on him.)

He is so totally unprincipled that he modifies his positions for nearly every audience he addresses.

He was called the 'worst 2nd amendment candidate' by the president of the NRA. (It was his anti-gun proposals that finally got me into the above mentioned recall effort.)

McCain was one among 5 US senators who received large campaign contributions in exchange for pressuring federal bank regulators to ease off on investigating Keating's role in the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan that cost US taxpayers about $160 billion..

He wrote the McCain-Feingold campaign finance bill that was declared to be an unconstitutional infringement of the 1st Amendment (co-sponsored by ultra-liberal Democrat Russ Feingold)

He is very much distrusted by Republican conservatives.

A large number of fellow senators think John McCain is psychologically unstable.

He stated at least once that he would be happy for U.S. troops to remain in Iraq for 100 years.

He contributed heavily to whitewashing the government investigation into POWs and MIAs left behind in Vietnam, Laos, and in Russian captivity. (According to Jan Sejna, a former major general in the Czechoslovakian Army who defected to the United States in 1968 and provided valuable intelligence on the Soviet Union, American prisoners were subjected to drugs and other mind altering experiments).

He supports radical global warming legislation.

He joined liberals to fight against a federal marriage amendment.

He joined with the Democrat “Gang of 14" to block the Senate Republicans’ attempt to confirm conservative, strict constructionist judges.

He cheated on his first wife after she had a severe accident, and then divorced her and married his multi-millionaire mistress, whose father bankrolled McCain’s bid for a seat in the Senate.

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Mike Griffith wrote:
ROB GIBBSEN wrote:This pick is a smoke screen.

Will having Palin make my taxes go from 40% to let's say around tithing rates????

What would she do that will make me get warm fuzzies????

The gadiantion robbers (including Palin)will want to keep taking away my money and seek to control my behavior.

Do not get blinded by the smoke.
I take it you didn't bother to read any of the articles I linked in my post.

There's a very good reason that Alaskan Democrats hate her with a passion, and that Alaskan big-spending Republicans like Stevens have complained that she doesn't try hard enough to get federal money for Alaska. The RINO (Republican in Name Only) element in Alaska hates Sarah Palin. One way to know the measure of a person is to look at their enemies. To judge from Sarah's enemies, she is one fine lady and a solid conservative.
There is one thing I needed to know.

Her judgemnet to be the biggest supporter of John McCain tells me everything I need to know. A vote for Sarah Palin means supporting a McCain agenda.

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Palin’s Church Promoting Conversion of Gays to Heterosexuals


ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin’s church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer..................

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/06 ... ting-gays/

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It is highly disconcerting to note that people like Sarah Palin, Jon Huntsman, and Mitt Romney, who are noted for their otherwise good service to our society, would support the likes of John McCain. Mitt Romney certainly demonstrated disdain for certain moral and constitutional principles, and even apparently chickened out of standing up for Joseph Smith's report of his "First Vison" when given the chance to do so. So I strongly suspect the other two have things in their closets we just are not hearing about. I'm learning a lot more about that game now that I am running for an elected office.

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Has anybody else wondered why Sarah Palin was not picked to be a presidential candidate? On paper, she seems to have it all over all the other candidates. Why was she relegated to the VP slot? Makes one wonder how and why certain ones are picked over others.

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Maybe she felt at the time that she wanted to just focus on her state and since McCain offered the VP she changed her mind.

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ROB GIBBSEN wrote:There is one thing I needed to know. Her judgemnet to be the biggest supporter of John McCain tells me everything I need to know. A vote for Sarah Palin means supporting a McCain agenda.
That is a flimsy, irrational reason for rejecting Sarah Palin. McCain is not nearly as bad as some of you purists claim he is:

Let's Be Reasonable About John McCain
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/mccain.htm

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Here is another heart-warming, encouraging article about Sarah Palin:

Palin desires spiritual revival in Alaska
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/ ... ?id=239968

This lady is the real deal. She's a devout Christian and a fine conservative. I'm thrilled that she's the GOP VP nominee. Win or lose, she's in a position to be a major player in GOP politics from now on. If McCain wins, she will be the heir apparent for the GOP nomination in 2012 or 2016.

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Mark wrote:
Let's face it: John McCain is using Sarah Palin as inducement to trick conservatives into accepting his liberal, big-government, globalist candidacy. And, sadly, it is working.
Baldwin may well be right here but he refuses to look at another potential possibility or outcome because it doesn't suit his purposes. I have heard over and over that Cheney is the real mover and shaker behind the "neo-con" Bush agenda. Many here have said over and over that Cheney is pulling the strings on many issues. So lets give this a fair hearing. Could not Palin also be an influence for good on McCain in supporting issues that real conservatives and constitutionalists deem important? There is this foregone conclusion by Baldwin that Palin will just fall in line with a non-constitututional globalist agenda. Is that really a fair assesment or is that being just a wee bit bias in his thinking? Is the glass always going to be half empty with guys like Baldwin unless it goes his way?

The reality in this country is that we will have either a McCain Presidency or an Obama Presidency. Everyone on this board knows it. Neither Baldwin nor Barr nor anyone else has a snowballs chance in China of being elected. I wish things were different but they aren't. That is just the reality of todays political set-up in America. If McCain does get elected over Obama (and given those 2 choices I would take my chances with McCain/Palin much more readily) will those like Baldwin just throw in the towel and walk around naysaying any potential influence for good Palin may have with the agenda. I kind of think that may very well be the case based on his preconceived thoughts. I hope not. If true conservatives give up on fighting for any potential influence for good they might be able to exert then we are surely finished as a country. With Obama/Biden conservatives/constitutionalists will have 0 influence. At least Palin gives them a fighting chance to be heard and represented.
A very good point. If nothing else, Palin would give true conservatives a powerful seat at the table. As VP, she would have her own staff and would be in a position to exert a good influence on McCain.

However, it's not like McCain is a liberal. Overall, he has a pretty conservative record.

Let's Be Reasonable About John McCain
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/mccain.htm

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