Open Letter to Glenn Beck by Alex Jones

[moonwhim]

http://www.infowars.com/open-letter-to- ... lex-jones/

Alex makes good points about Glenn Beck being a Shill for the New World Order.....please read the letter and try to understand the points he is making.....don't just support Glenn Beck because he is a Mormon or is becoming popular.

[nvr]

Great points. I was surprised at the glaring reversals he's made when reading about it. He's got a lot of pull with fellow LDS with his background and could really be an influence for real improvement if he would throw off the controls of his employers. I really hope he looks at the points and honestly looks at what side he is on.

[pjbrownie]

I think AJ may be the shill for the New World Order. Riddle me this? Who is more likely to advocate violence to promote their constitutional positions. It's not Glenn Beck. I listened to his radio program yesterday and the audio clips used to lambast Glenn were taken out of context or old. Glenn has shifted in his positions, so older audio needs to be put into the proper timeline.

[mchlwise]

There was another thread about this yesterday, I think.

In it, I said: Between this and the whole Charlie Sheen fiasco, it seems like Alex Jones is doing an awful lot to get attention.

[ChelC]

I disagree with Glenn Beck a lot. Sometimes he's full of crap. It's clear to me that he shuts down those who will make him appear kooky sometimes (which is probably smart for his career). Alex Jones has always left a bad taste in my mouth. Jones is a creep, IMO. I'm usually pretty good with my creep-o-meter.

[2BFree]

"Glenn has shifted in his positions, so older audio needs to be put into the proper timeline." Yes he has but he has never acknowledged this. He probably just hopes everyone will forget his flip-flopping. One thing about AJ, he doesn't flip-flop because he, like Ron Paul, are fixed with the anchor of the Constitution and can see the whole fiasco of the Left-Right false paradigm.

"Alex Jones is doing an awful lot to get attention". Isn't that the point? To get the attention on the ignored issues that no other person in the MSM will touch? I listen to him every day and he is ALWAYS on point and doesn't stray from exposing the NWO and the wickedness in high places. You should try and listen before you judge.

[2BFree]

"Jones is a creep, IMO."

This is a real "Christian" thing to say ChelC. Have you met him? Have you listened to him for more that a few minutes? Have you looked into the issues he discusses on his show or in his videos? I think not. Take the "beam" out of your own eye and may be your "creep-o-meter" might be a little clearer.

[2BFree]

"Jones is a creep, IMO."

This is a real "Christian" thing to say ChelC. Have you met him? Have you listened to him for more that a few minutes? Have you looked into the issues he discusses on his show or in his videos? I think not. Take the "beam" out of your own eye and may be your "creep-o-meter" might be a little clearer.

I think this is just about the stupidest post I have read on this forum. and that is saying a lot.

I'm afraid THIS is the stupidest post I'VE read anywhere ... nananananaaaana!

[truthseeds]

I listen to AJ. I can't say I enjoy it, but I do find that he informs me of a lot of news and history that I can't find in the MSM, including with the shills like Glenn Beck. I say I can't enjoy it because sometimes I get so fired up over the info. But I've found that I can research 90% of what he says and find truth in it, although he does tend to embellish, but I find more hope and promise when I focus on solutions these days. I listened to his rant against Glenn yesterday and I must say I agree that Glenn is most probably a controlled opposition shill.

And what's with calling each others posts stupid?! C'mon fellas! Rise above the conflict state.

[ChildWise]

"Jones is a creep, IMO."

This is a real "Christian" thing to say ChelC. Have you met him? Have you listened to him for more that a few minutes? Have you looked into the issues he discusses on his show or in his videos? I think not. Take the "beam" out of your own eye and may be your "creep-o-meter" might be a little clearer.

I was just about to post the same theme & link.

ChelC, have you considered this documentary released March 2009? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Please do and hone your broadening perspective.

[reese]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Wow! I just watched this video, it's fantastic. It's long, but great. I am finding that a lot more people are becoming aware of a problem. But they are not willing to go all the way with it. They want it to be a Democrat problem, something the republicans will fix. They cannot accept that it goes beyond that to a group of individuals that are being led by Satan! They refuse to "awake to our awful situation." I was told by my Bishop last night, while talking about job loss and the economy, that things are going to be getting better. I cannot comprehend these people, its like we are talking about two completely different things.

[mirkwood]

Have you met him? Have you listened to him for more that a few minutes? Have you looked into the issues he discusses on his show or in his videos? I think not. Take the "beam" out of your own eye and may be your "creep-o-meter" might be a little clearer.

Funny how you assume that ChelC has not listened to him. I'm always amazed how the automatic assumption from people if you don't agree with Alex Jones is that you have not listened to him.

[obamohno]

posted this in the other thread but it should bein this one.


I think it is most likely that both are not sincere like the avg you or me would be in this position.

Glenn Beck has been progressing in his ideas about foreign policy and the economy but still doesn't practice what he preaches everyday about asking bold questions towards about obvious inconsistencies.

Any reasonable person can't look at 9/11 with the goal of finding out the truth and say that people who question WTC 7, the iraq war and a bunch of other things are crazy kooks, who want to destroy this country.

You may disagree but to go against them like Beck has he either isn't sincere or just doesn't get it yet which I find hard to believe knowing the info he has access to and his faith.

Now Alex Jones exaggerates everything, he takes a small truth and blows it up 100x. His biggest source of info is government documents and mainstream news articles, I mean, ca mon.

I think there are many red flags in government documents and mainstream news but just because they are from there doesn't mean its truth and he acts like it does.

Alex Jones seems more ego centered and I am sure he makes a little money but that is not as big as being the face of alternative patriot media.

Glenn Beck is I think damaged because of the money. I think he will never allow himself to be exposed to certain truths because of the money and status he has, so to people like me Glenn Beck is never going to say something that enlightens me really.

I think he is a net negative maybe in the long run because people think he is going for all the truth now and so they think if he is not agreeing with it then its false and they don't have to look there or take it this far.

Even when people bring of the Federal Reserve and books like G. Edward Griffins, he is always saying, be careful with that direction, etc, instead of saying go as far as you can find truth, etc.

If he was sincere he would be exposing the Federal Reserve not Acorn, he would be exposing central bank power not Obamas personal ideology, he would be exposing the military idustrial complex not how the Obama administration is blowing it on the war on terror.

Some things I like about Beck lately is he is using terms like tu rn the other cheek and no empire building, but so did George W. Bush when he ran for president the first time and we see how fast that changed with 9/11.

just some thoughts

I think we cannot trust Alex Jones or Glenn Beck and I only pay attention to them when I wanna know what other people are hearing or if they have a good guest.

[ChelC]

I've watched him in documentaries but haven't listened to his show. I think I'm judging correctly with the creep label:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9YFDM2aMGQ

[mchlwise]

I've watched him in documentaries but haven't listened to his show. I think I'm judging correctly with the creep label:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9YFDM2aMGQ

Wow.

I haven't seen or heard all that much of him, but the more I do the less I want to see.

He seems like a jerk just looking for a fight and attention. A bully just like any other.

[Mark]

He seems like a jerk just looking for a fight and attention. A bully just like any other.

A classless bully at that. If that had been my wife He was screaming at I would have decked him.

[pjbrownie]

"Glenn has shifted in his positions, so older audio needs to be put into the proper timeline." Yes he has but he has never acknowledged this. He probably just hopes everyone will forget his flip-flopping. One thing about AJ, he doesn't flip-flop because he, like Ron Paul, are fixed with the anchor of the Constitution and can see the whole fiasco of the Left-Right false paradigm.

"Alex Jones is doing an awful lot to get attention". Isn't that the point? To get the attention on the ignored issues that no other person in the MSM will touch? I listen to him every day and he is ALWAYS on point and doesn't stray from exposing the NWO and the wickedness in high places. You should try and listen before you judge.

* Sigh * I guess I should be strung up because I used to be a neo-con as well. I've seen GB shift, and I've seen him admit it. It's easier just to make youtube videos and show the flip flopping. Anyone who has watched GB has noticed that he also slams the false left-right paradigm and says it's about power and corruption--that both parties are run by dirt bags.

[pjbrownie]

I listen to AJ. I can't say I enjoy it, but I do find that he informs me of a lot of news and history that I can't find in the MSM, including with the shills like Glenn Beck. I say I can't enjoy it because sometimes I get so fired up over the info. But I've found that I can research 90% of what he says and find truth in it, although he does tend to embellish, but I find more hope and promise when I focus on solutions these days. I listened to his rant against Glenn yesterday and I must say I agree that Glenn is most probably a controlled opposition shill.

And what's with calling each others posts stupid?! C'mon fellas! Rise above the conflict state.

AND that's because he's working for Murdoch, and FOXNEWS, correct? Have any of you seen the movie Valkyrie? Not everyone in the NWO system at the top may WANT it to work. There could be subversives. Has anyone thought of that?

Let's examine the shill thing. What does GB want us to do. He wants us to identify 54 congressmen who will stand up for the Constitution, not let ANYTHING pass until corruption is rooted out FIRST in their own party, his governmental quarantine. They must "refound" the country based upon the original principles of the Constitution.

What does AJ want us to do--go get our guns and practice for the revolution. Who's the controlled opposition here?

[ready2prepare]

I used to be of fan of Alex Jones but I have moved on.
He sounds like a broken record that gets more strident
the longer it is played. (IMHO)

And...I think he seriously underestimated the power
of the Tea Party movement and now it is coming to
haunt him...

On the other hand, I used to avoid Glenn Beck and
now I find him a changed man, on fire, doing the best
he knows how within his work constraints to effect
positive change in America. He got on board at the
right time and for him there's no going back.

Nor is there for me.

Best Regards,
Sharon (Making the Best of Basics) in Mississippi

[obamohno]

I used to be of fan of Alex Jones but I have moved on.
He sounds like a broken record that gets more strident
the longer it is played. (IMHO)

And...I think he seriously underestimated the power
of the Tea Party movement and now it is coming to
haunt him...

On the other hand, I used to avoid Glenn Beck and
now I find him a changed man, on fire, doing the best
he knows how within his work constraints to effect
positive change in America. He got on board at the
right time and for him there's no going back.

Nor is there for me.

Best Regards,
Sharon (Making the Best of Basics) in Mississippi

I am with ya on AJ and I have mixed feelings on Beck, but if Beck keeps on preaching against empire building and praying for your enemies and turning the other cheek like hes doing I think those are good fruits so I will make my decision of him based on what he stands for..

If our only disagreement in the end is the deep conspiracy side that is ok with me, I def don't like his views that if someone believes 911 was a conspiracy that these people are dangerous for America and shouldn't be aloud to serve in our government.

[Cowell]

Glenn Beck,

It is important to preface this letter by highlighting the fact that I do not attack people lightly and have defended you in the past when Van Jones was calling for you to be fired. I fully support your right to free speech.

It cannot be denied that you – Glenn Beck – are an extremely talented radio and television host and you have a magnetism and a proficiency of public speaking that draws people in and maintains their interest. However, being a novice history buff I am also painfully aware of the fact that Benedict Arnold was, like you, a talented individual – he was also a traitor.

History is what matters and being on the right side of history is what’s important when it comes to the legacy we leave on this planet. You don’t want people to look back on you as a Benedict Arnold, as a traitor to America. You don’t want people to look back on you as a media whore, as playing the role of being loyal opposition to sucker legitimate and growing grass roots opposition to the new world order. (So true)

Your agenda is to put out a dual message – to discredit and polarize the conservative movement to the benefit of the establishment left and the elite. Your bizarre and clownish antics of fake crying, which you proved were staged when you replicated them on demand for a GQ photo shoot, are doing nothing but reinforcing the stereotype that the conservative right is insane. (Really interesting point)

Your entire 9/12 project has nothing to do with uniting America and everything to do with reinforcing neo-conservative rhetoric about how we should relinquish our rights and accept the police state because terrorists want to attack us and Saddam Hussein has WMD’s and yellowcake. (Well said)

As the video below illustrates, despite the fact that you claim to be “a Libertarian at heart,” you have publicly supported programs and legislation that are universally abhorred by the vast majority of libertarians, such as the banker bailout and the USA Patriot Act. (That is a big problem)

During your Monday September 22 2008 TV broadcast, you expressed your vehement support for the bailout, stating, “The $700 billion dollars that you’re hearing about now is not only I believe necessary, it is also not nearly enough.” However, as soon as Bush left office and Obama picked up the baton and continued the same financial policy, you changed your tune and routinely attacked the bailout as an example of how socialism was taking over America.

The bailout was bad news for America under Bush just as it is under Obama, both were merely performing a transfer of wealth from America to offshore banks and giving the Federal Reserve total dictatorial control over the economy, but you only opposed it when Bush was out of office, proving that your opinions are not wedded to right or wrong, but to which puppet is in the White House. (Nice...even if Glenn isn't doing it on purpose, he makes a good point with this statement.)

A host of mainline conservative talking heads opposed the banker bailout, as did the majority of the American people, but you went on television and publicly supported it. This is irreconcilable with you being “a libertarian at heart” as you claim.

In addition, you aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texan Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination. You implied that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists and should be dealt with by the U.S. Army, (appealing again, coincidently, to the mindless right - by mentioning "terrorism" and using the "military" - again, whether Glenn meant to or not, this is very neo-con / police-state-ish) but later tried to side with Ron Paul supporters when the infamous and discredited MIAC report echoed your own talking point that people who support Ron Paul were dangerous. (When it became convenient to dilute the movement and try to re-establish the right)

The smear came during a November 2007 show when you were still hosting on CNN. Yourself and ex-Marxist David Horowitz smeared Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, (police state) parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive. When asked about the issue, Ron Paul dismissed you as “pretty discourteous” and a “demagogue”.

You Glenn Beck have acted as a cheerleader for the wars of aggression launched since 9/11 and in addition called for Iran to be attacked, claiming that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is preparing a “second holocaust.” (We're already responsible for the second holocaust) Once again, these political opinions stand completely contrary to libertarian principles, which follow the founding fathers’ view that an expansionist aggressive foreign policy is bad for America. (Amen)

You have attacked Obama for unraveling the Bush war machine to give you left cover, when in fact Obama has done everything in his power to expand Bush’s wars, (true) beefing the campaigns in Afghanistan and Pakistan while removing a token amount of troops from Iraq and replacing them with an even greater number of contractors.

By attacking Obama for being different to Bush, when in reality he offers not change whatsoever, you keep people locked in the left-right paradigm (who on the forum disagrees with this statement?) and ensure that instead of coming to the realization that the whole system is rigged, they will merely vote in another puppet for the new world order in 2012.

Glenn Beck – you are controlled opposition, you are there to co-opt and ensure the Tea Parties are under control and that they never focus on taking on the real power behind the American economy – the Federal Reserve. (Interesting point)

Bearing in mind that you almost died not too long ago, wouldn’t you rather come to the end of your life, whether that be in one year or 30 years from now, knowing that you stood up for true liberty and freedom? Isn’t that more valuable than your $50 million dollars a year contract? When I was approached ten years ago and offered large sums of money every year to sell out and become what you are today – the new Rush Limbaugh – while accepting tight controls on what I could and could not discuss – I said no and I thank God every day that I made the right decision.

I appeal to you directly Glenn – think twice about what you are doing, think twice about what you are a part of right now. Try to do what you can to redeem yourself and don’t be a Benedict Arnold, don’t be a traitor that takes legions of good-natured but hoodwinked people down the rat hole with you as America collapses because those who had voices and platforms used them to deceive and distract rather than tell the truth. (Beautifully said)

Alex Jones

[pjbrownie]

Sweet, Cowell, love to take this apart.

Glenn Beck,

It is important to preface this letter by highlighting the fact that I do not attack people lightly and have defended you in the past when Van Jones was calling for you to be fired. I fully support your right to free speech.

It cannot be denied that you – Glenn Beck – are an extremely talented radio and television host and you have a magnetism and a proficiency of public speaking that draws people in and maintains their interest. However, being a novice history buff I am also painfully aware of the fact that Benedict Arnold was, like you, a talented individual – he was also a traitor.

Hmmm, we haven't drawn the battle lines yet, AJ, so I'd hold your tongue.

History is what matters and being on the right side of history is what’s important when it comes to the legacy we leave on this planet. You don’t want people to look back on you as a Benedict Arnold, as a traitor to America. You don’t want people to look back on you as a media whore, as playing the role of being loyal opposition to sucker legitimate and growing grass roots opposition to the new world order. (So true)

And praytell, how has Glenn Beck, RECENTLY, been shilling the grass roots into the New World Order? He's against both parties, preaches against big government AND big state capitalism. He's trying to "refound" the country with congressmen based on the Jeffersonian constitutional mode. All ad hominem.

Your agenda is to put out a dual message – to discredit and polarize the conservative movement to the benefit of the establishment left and the elite. Your bizarre and clownish antics of fake crying, which you proved were staged when you replicated them on demand for a GQ photo shoot, are doing nothing but reinforcing the stereotype that the conservative right is insane. (Really interesting point)

Interesting, it's you AJ who discredits the conservative movement by focusing SOLELY upon the Birther and Truther movement when have plans afoot right now to destroy our liberties. You folks continue to look backwards and birth-wards for your salvation. I think that both arenas have merits, but they can't be the focus.

Your entire 9/12 project has nothing to do with uniting America and everything to do with reinforcing neo-conservative rhetoric about how we should relinquish our rights and accept the police state because terrorists want to attack us and Saddam Hussein has WMD’s and yellowcake. (Well said)

Nope, wrong again. He wants us to come together to fight government tyranny the same way we united after 9-11. It may have been staged, but the feelings of America coming together were genuine whether it was an inside job or not. By the way, recently, GB has stated that he has questions on 911, that they aren't all answered, and he's more unsure recently.

As the video below illustrates, despite the fact that you claim to be “a Libertarian at heart,” you have publicly supported programs and legislation that are universally abhorred by the vast majority of libertarians, such as the banker bailout and the USA Patriot Act. (That is a big problem)

During your Monday September 22 2008 TV broadcast, you expressed your vehement support for the bailout, stating, “The $700 billion dollars that you’re hearing about now is not only I believe necessary, it is also not nearly enough.” However, as soon as Bush left office and Obama picked up the baton and continued the same financial policy, you changed your tune and routinely attacked the bailout as an example of how socialism was taking over America.

Nope, GB said ONCE that he feared that is may be necessary to help "land the plane" but that was a mistake he ADMITTED immediately afterwards. As well, his support of the $700 billion was made as a pretext for throwing the whole pie at the problem so it would sound ridiculous. He has been passionately against the bailout ever since it passed (see his inconvenient debt piece). Let the majority of his statements be the record and let's stop cherry picking quotes, AJ

The bailout was bad news for America under Bush just as it is under Obama, both were merely performing a transfer of wealth from America to offshore banks and giving the Federal Reserve total dictatorial control over the economy, but you only opposed it when Bush was out of office, proving that your opinions are not wedded to right or wrong, but to which puppet is in the White House. (Nice...even if Glenn isn't doing it on purpose, he makes a good point with this statement.)

Hmmm I recall that he lambasted the bill after it passed as a TERRIBLE idea with all the pork in it, and he quickly withdraw any very tepid support he may have had for a rescue package. True, not libertarian, but not evil or corrupt either. This was a difficult decision that our country had to make. Take our medicine now and hard, or take it over time. He was equivocating. http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articl ... 198/16075/

A host of mainline conservative talking heads opposed the banker bailout, as did the majority of the American people, but you went on television and publicly supported it. This is irreconcilable with you being “a libertarian at heart” as you claim.

In addition, you aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texan Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination. You implied that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists and should be dealt with by the U.S. Army, (appealing again, coincidently, to the mindless right - by mentioning "terrorism" and using the "military" - again, whether Glenn meant to or not, this is very neo-con / police-state-ish) but later tried to side with Ron Paul supporters when the infamous and discredited MIAC report echoed your own talking point that people who support Ron Paul were dangerous. (When it became convenient to dilute the movement and try to re-establish the right)

The smear came during a November 2007 show when you were still hosting on CNN. Yourself and ex-Marxist David Horowitz smeared Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, (police state) parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive. When asked about the issue, Ron Paul dismissed you as “pretty discourteous” and a “demagogue”.

My word, AJ, he said in that same video that the vast majority of Ron Paul supporters (in 2007) were using the term "revolution" to foment a peaceful return to the principles of the founding. He used the Ron Paul campaign as an example of the radicalism of those that would co-opt Ron Paul's movement. He was warning about those that would use their disenfranchisement to actually create a revolution. That IS dangerous. Okay so what happened since then. GB has had Ron Paul on a number of times and respects most of his view. Glenn has been adamantly upset about the MIAC report and sees it as a dangerous government trying to destroy opposition. GB himself is on the list, so there.

You Glenn Beck have acted as a cheerleader for the wars of aggression launched since 9/11 and in addition called for Iran to be attacked, claiming that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is preparing a “second holocaust.” (We're already responsible for the second holocaust) Once again, these political opinions stand completely contrary to libertarian principles, which follow the founding fathers’ view that an expansionist aggressive foreign policy is bad for America. (Amen)

Glenn has been changing his view on this lately. He has stated that in the past he felt that he was misled both on the patriot act and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps its just political winding, or perhaps he has had a pivot point.

You have attacked Obama for unraveling the Bush war machine to give you left cover, when in fact Obama has done everything in his power to expand Bush’s wars, (true) beefing the campaigns in Afghanistan and Pakistan while removing a token amount of troops from Iraq and replacing them with an even greater number of contractors.

By attacking Obama for being different to Bush, when in reality he offers not change whatsoever, you keep people locked in the left-right paradigm (who on the forum disagrees with this statement?) and ensure that instead of coming to the realization that the whole system is rigged, they will merely vote in another puppet for the new world order in 2012.

Glenn Beck – you are controlled opposition, you are there to co-opt and ensure the Tea Parties are under control and that they never focus on taking on the real power behind the American economy – the Federal Reserve. (Interesting point)

Hmmm. I'd hold onto your hat on that one, AJ. GB doesn't have the luxury of having some obscure internet radio show out of Austin. He's in the big leagues and must be careful. He says over and over "There are things I believe that I will not say, but I will never say the things I do not believe." Yes, he has changed his mind . . . so did I. I think that for the last two years it seems that you have a true believer who is trying to slowly warm up America to the conspiracies and secret combinations in America, but he has to move slowly so that people can jump on board.

Bearing in mind that you almost died not too long ago, wouldn’t you rather come to the end of your life, whether that be in one year or 30 years from now, knowing that you stood up for true liberty and freedom? Isn’t that more valuable than your $50 million dollars a year contract? When I was approached ten years ago and offered large sums of money every year to sell out and become what you are today – the new Rush Limbaugh – while accepting tight controls on what I could and could not discuss – I said no and I thank God every day that I made the right decision.

I appeal to you directly Glenn – think twice about what you are doing, think twice about what you are a part of right now. Try to do what you can to redeem yourself and don’t be a Benedict Arnold, don’t be a traitor that takes legions of good-natured but hoodwinked people down the rat hole with you as America collapses because those who had voices and platforms used them to deceive and distract rather than tell the truth. (Beautifully said)

Alex Jones

AJ, I think you'll be surprised. Hold onto your hat. GB may be a Benedict Arnold, but it may be against his own employers and not the movement. He states that he is setting himself up to be run off the air, and that then he can wash his hands, bankrupt his company, and go live in Idaho. I guess we'll see. You see GB as a flip-flopper and subversive out to destroy and co-opt the patriot movement based on past views. I see a man who is becoming more enlightened, changing his views, and engineering a media coup to wake America up to the truth slowly. I guess we'll see

[Rensai]

AJ, I think you'll be surprised. Hold onto your hat. GB may be a Benedict Arnold, but it may be against his own employers and not the movement. He states that he is setting himself up to be run off the air, and that then he can wash his hands, bankrupt his company, and go live in Idaho. I guess we'll see. You see GB as a flip-flopper and subversive out to destroy and co-opt the patriot movement based on past views. I see a man who is becoming more enlightened, changing his views, and engineering a media coup to wake America up to the truth slowly. I guess we'll see

AJ makes some good points. Just when I think Glenn is on our side he supports the wars or the bailouts, or attacks the 911 movement, etc. I hope he is waking up to the truth and getting smarter and not a Benedict Arnold. I guess time will tell for sure. I have seen Glenn quote president Benson, the title of liberty, etc. The days when I make allowances for any ignorance on his part are gone now. If he starts supporting the LDG's again on something then we will know AJ is right. Until then, I'm inclined to choose to believe as pjbrownie, and see Glenn as in the process of waking up rather than flip-flopping.

as for AJ, I really enjoy his documentaries. He does tend to ramble and rant (especially on the radio), but I am thinking that is more out of frustration because so many refuse to wake up and instead play right into the hands of the LDG's. AJ has been talking about this stuff for years without any real major breakthrough to the people. I think he's frustrated. But, his research is still usually quite good and its worth giving his documentaries a look.

[ChelC]

I agree with PJ. I think Beck has changed significantly over the last couple of years, especially in the last 6 months or so. I listen to his show now almost daily between 4 and 5 while I make dinner, and he's come around a lot. I think he has been unfair in the past to Ron Paul, but he also seems to keep turning back to him. It seems frequent that he remembers something Paul said and brings it up, or mentions that it sounds like him.

I have no problem with people who make mistakes if they admit them when they realize them. I still see Beck as being immature at times, disrespectful to people at times, but he's on the right track, IMO.

Interesting, it's you AJ who discredits the conservative movement by focusing SOLELY upon the Birther and Truther movement when have plans afoot right now to destroy our liberties. You folks continue to look backwards and birth-wards for your salvation. I think that both arenas have merits, but they can't be the focus.

I completely agree with the above. I haven't articulated the point as well as this, but this is a key point. We can wake up to the truth of our situation without having to revisit or even agree upon the worst of the conspiracies. To get on the right track we need to make right decisions and be more diligent about it from this point on. Yesterday's mistakes may be teaching moments. The conspiracies that can be proven should be, and by those with the expertise to do it, but beyond that it's dead weight that we need to shake off. The people of this country are waking up in droves. Even most of those awake now were not awake just a few years back. We want to focus on our lives and our families. We don't want to be heavily involved in politics. Just as Jefferson says we are prone to suffer abuse while it is sufferable. I believe that's the case not just because people are lazy, but because people are busy. I still believe the majority of Americans have family as a top priority. Now that things are becoming too much for them, they are rising up in defiance. Unity is the key to our success, and we're not going to find it by railing against people who can't bring themselves to believe in 911. Once we have unified under basic liberties we have the power to rise above this. AJ may very well destroy our ability to succeed, intentionally or not.

[pritchet1]

I think Jone's attack on Malkin is despicable!