LGBTQ support meeting

[cappaccio]

Would it be ok if I asked for a support meeting for racists? Or pornographers? Or “enter group here”. As long as they share the story of how they came to Christ right?

I received this email from my stake leaders today. Names have been removed. Except the speaker. Who is Jen Spencer?

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LBQT Support Group announcement

Dear Bishoprics, RS Presidencies, and EQ Presidencies,

Please announce the following in your meetings for the next two Sundays and via other communications.

Thank you for your time and service.

President X 1st Counselor, X Stake Presidency

_____________________________________

Stake LGBTQ Support Group Meeting

Sunday, Feb. 27th, 4:00 - 5:00 pm Mountain time, in person (X stake center RS room) and via Zoom

We are grateful to have guest speaker Jen Spencer join us.

Jen has presented at North Star and will be sharing her journey from drug addition to a gospel doctrine teacher in her ward. She will share her faith and experiences of coming to Jesus Christ. We’ll also have a discussion after she shares her story with us.

All are welcome. Feel free to invite anyone who could benefit from joining us!

Zoom link: https://byu.zoom.us/j/97089195127

Contact President X with any questions.

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[spiritMan]

Would it be ok if I asked for a support meeting for racists? Or pornographers? Or “enter group here”. As long as they share the story of how they came to Christ right?

I received this email from my stake leaders today. Names have been removed. Except the speaker. Who is Jen Spencer?

———

LBQT Support Group announcement

Dear Bishoprics, RS Presidencies, and EQ Presidencies,

Please announce the following in your meetings for the next two Sundays and via other communications.

Thank you for your time and service.

President X 1st Counselor, X Stake Presidency

_____________________________________

Stake LGBTQ Support Group Meeting

Sunday, Feb. 27th, 4:00 - 5:00 pm Mountain time, in person (X stake center RS room) and via Zoom

We are grateful to have guest speaker Jen Spencer join us.

Jen has presented at North Star and will be sharing her journey from drug addition to a gospel doctrine teacher in her ward. She will share her faith and experiences of coming to Jesus Christ. We’ll also have a discussion after she shares her story with us.

All are welcome. Feel free to invite anyone who could benefit from joining us!

Zoom link: https://byu.zoom.us/j/97089195127

Contact President X with any questions.

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No surprise here.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1433556613672143

They are organizing "support" aka "affirmation" aka "you are perfect just the way you are" aka "how to normalize sodomy" across the US.

The war is about to be unleashed.

Any leader who did this I would absolutely vocally, publicly raise my hand in opposition. This leads to hell.

[spiritMan]

Comments from the page:
"I'm a bishop and my biggest struggle currently is working with parents who are driving their youth towards self-harm because of not accepting and not understanding how to live the gospel and be LGBTQ. I am going to look through here for resources and help, but I would appreciate anything that might assist me in talking to very traditionally-minded parents"

"Dear Friends,
Powerful and courageous message from Elder Shane Carpenter (a member of this group ) who is a gay Latter-day Saint missionary.
It would be a great State/Ward/Class training (or family night) to show this IG post (also on his Facebook page) and then discuss what we can do to better support LGBTQ Latter-day Saints and use their contributions to create Zion.
One of the most important things we can do is to see LGBTQ people as our OWN people and not some outside group. And to talk directly TO them as needed members of our congregations instead of ABOUT them (like some outside group).
Thank you Elder Carpenter for your courage (and your good parents Scott and Diane Caldwell Carpenter)"

"In case it might be helpful for others who are trying to figure out how to organize groups, this is the basic outline I've developed for our Rainbow Come Follow Me group. It will likely change and adapt to fit the needs of the participants, but it's a start....
"Rainbow Come Follow Me" for LGBTQ+ and Allies
· Meets at 7:00 p.m. on the first and third Sundays of the month in the primary room at the Ox Road building
· Open to everyone (all ages and situations) for now, but can consider splitting off into smaller groups (i.e. youth, parents of LGBTQ+, etc.) if that makes sense in the future
· Book club type structure – create “discussion questions” based on the Come Follow Me for Individuals and Families manual and use them for conversation starters
· Centered on Christ
· Ground rules to include:
1. Confidentiality
2. Respect for others
3. No “church bashing” but allowing a safe space to talk about various views, experiences, and emotions
· Not a therapeutic support group; moderators are not trained as counselors
· Begin and end with prayer and hymn
· I will moderate at least the first session, but would love to have others, especially those who are LGBTQ+, become moderators
· The first meeting will be focused on introductions, establishing ground rules, and the “Thoughts to Keep in Mind” introductory section of the CFM manual, especially focusing on how to find Christ in the Old Testament
· At the first meeting, we will ask if there are members of the group who would like to lead discussions at the next meeting, and have them choose which section of the lesson they would like to focus on
· We will have treats at every meeting because I really like treats"

"If your stake has any type of LGBTQ+ support, how did it start? Did you approach the stake presidency? Start in your ward? Are there those of you who have started groups just on your own? The member of our stake presidency who did our recommend interviews honestly didn't know what to say as we shared some of our experience and questions as parents. It felt like we were the first people bringing it up with him."

"Hi! I’m helping organize a stake fireside to foster understanding and empathy for LGBTQ+ people, and I need help with how to title it? Any ideas for me? I want the title to make it clear what the focus is, but be concise. (Not a strong point of mine, ha.)
For context: We will have an LGBTQ+ speaker who is an active member, a another speaker, and we’ll be watching some videos from the church website."

"Our stake president asked to meet with my husband and me last night. He was looking for input as to how to show love to LGBTQ people and at the same time teach what the church's stand is. My bishop recently met with me and asked a similar question so it is clearly on their minds. I need your input and suggestions!
To be honest I've just focused on what it looks like to love and help them feel of equal worth so I haven't addressed this. I can understand why they feel they need balance especially as a bishop and stake president. I appreciate your help."

"Hello my LGBTQ+ friends. I'm putting together a "faces of LDS LGBTQ+" slide to show in a 5th Sunday lesson I'm teaching this Sunday. If you're willing, can you send a pic of you via email? Or, give me permission to copy/paste one off the internet. My email is"

https://www.facebook.com/events/1108341 ... f=newsfeed

They are recruiting the youth now.

Fun times!!

[h_p]

The war is about to be unleashed.

I would say this war has already been fought and lost a number of years ago. These days they're just combing the battlefield shooting survivors.

The coming war is over the normalization of pedophilia.

[Thinker]

They said they’d infiltrate churches…

1980’s Homosexual Manifesto…
“We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, …

All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our only gods are handsome young men.…
http://blessedcause.org/protest/Gay%20Manifesto.htm

[Gadianton Slayer]

Gross.

[XEmilyX]

I should go and tell them I prayed my gay away. Hahah they'd kick me out so fast.
(It actually happened, I prayed for same gender attraction away and it left)
People would hate me.
Oh wow, when i think about it....theyd hate a used to be same gender attraction person. How dare they! Lol

[Thinker]

Though I don’t agree with all 100%, the following have good input regarding this topic:

(6:30-12:00)African American man explains why homosexuality is not comparable to the civil rights movement. He supports marriage between a man and a woman. https://youtu.be/Ekt7WgcE7Uk

Ann Coulter
https://youtu.be/qraI01OpoQk

Ben shapiro
https://youtu.be/OqzN0nqiJyQ

[Jashon]

Can someone point me to a thread where schism is discussed vis-a-vis the LDS church. At this point, I'm afraid it might be needed.

[Robin Hood]

Maybe we should also facilitate Paedophiles R Us, Women With Willy's, Menstruating Men, Rapists Are Nice or The Serial Killers Club.

[JuneBug12000]

Comments from the page:
"I'm a bishop and my biggest struggle currently is working with parents who are driving their youth towards self-harm because of not accepting and not understanding how to live the gospel and be LGBTQ. I am going to look through here for resources and help, but I would appreciate anything that might assist me in talking to very traditionally-minded parents"

"Dear Friends,
Powerful and courageous message from Elder Shane Carpenter (a member of this group ) who is a gay Latter-day Saint missionary.
It would be a great State/Ward/Class training (or family night) to show this IG post (also on his Facebook page) and then discuss what we can do to better support LGBTQ Latter-day Saints and use their contributions to create Zion.
One of the most important things we can do is to see LGBTQ people as our OWN people and not some outside group. And to talk directly TO them as needed members of our congregations instead of ABOUT them (like some outside group).
Thank you Elder Carpenter for your courage (and your good parents Scott and Diane Caldwell Carpenter)"

"In case it might be helpful for others who are trying to figure out how to organize groups, this is the basic outline I've developed for our Rainbow Come Follow Me group. It will likely change and adapt to fit the needs of the participants, but it's a start....
"Rainbow Come Follow Me" for LGBTQ+ and Allies
· Meets at 7:00 p.m. on the first and third Sundays of the month in the primary room at the Ox Road building
· Open to everyone (all ages and situations) for now, but can consider splitting off into smaller groups (i.e. youth, parents of LGBTQ+, etc.) if that makes sense in the future
· Book club type structure – create “discussion questions” based on the Come Follow Me for Individuals and Families manual and use them for conversation starters
· Centered on Christ
· Ground rules to include:
1. Confidentiality
2. Respect for others
3. No “church bashing” but allowing a safe space to talk about various views, experiences, and emotions
· Not a therapeutic support group; moderators are not trained as counselors
· Begin and end with prayer and hymn
· I will moderate at least the first session, but would love to have others, especially those who are LGBTQ+, become moderators
· The first meeting will be focused on introductions, establishing ground rules, and the “Thoughts to Keep in Mind” introductory section of the CFM manual, especially focusing on how to find Christ in the Old Testament
· At the first meeting, we will ask if there are members of the group who would like to lead discussions at the next meeting, and have them choose which section of the lesson they would like to focus on
· We will have treats at every meeting because I really like treats"

"If your stake has any type of LGBTQ+ support, how did it start? Did you approach the stake presidency? Start in your ward? Are there those of you who have started groups just on your own? The member of our stake presidency who did our recommend interviews honestly didn't know what to say as we shared some of our experience and questions as parents. It felt like we were the first people bringing it up with him."

"Hi! I’m helping organize a stake fireside to foster understanding and empathy for LGBTQ+ people, and I need help with how to title it? Any ideas for me? I want the title to make it clear what the focus is, but be concise. (Not a strong point of mine, ha.)
For context: We will have an LGBTQ+ speaker who is an active member, a another speaker, and we’ll be watching some videos from the church website."

"Our stake president asked to meet with my husband and me last night. He was looking for input as to how to show love to LGBTQ people and at the same time teach what the church's stand is. My bishop recently met with me and asked a similar question so it is clearly on their minds. I need your input and suggestions!
To be honest I've just focused on what it looks like to love and help them feel of equal worth so I haven't addressed this. I can understand why they feel they need balance especially as a bishop and stake president. I appreciate your help."

"Hello my LGBTQ+ friends. I'm putting together a "faces of LDS LGBTQ+" slide to show in a 5th Sunday lesson I'm teaching this Sunday. If you're willing, can you send a pic of you via email? Or, give me permission to copy/paste one off the internet. My email is"

https://www.facebook.com/events/1108341 ... f=newsfeed

They are recruiting the youth now.

Fun times!!

This is terrible.

Nothing should be put before our identity as Disciples of Christ. Nothing. Otherwise, we are not actually Disciples of Christ.

[BuriedTartaria]

The “revelation” is going to happen

[JohnnyL]

"In case it might be helpful for others who are trying to figure out how to organize groups, this is the basic outline I've developed for our Rainbow Come Follow Me group. It will likely change and adapt to fit the needs of the participants, but it's a start....
"Rainbow Come Follow Me" for LGBTQ+ and Allies
· Meets at 7:00 p.m. on the first and third Sundays of the month in the primary room at the Ox Road building
· Open to everyone (all ages and situations) for now, but can consider splitting off into smaller groups (i.e. youth, parents of LGBTQ+, etc.) if that makes sense in the future
· Book club type structure – create “discussion questions” based on the Come Follow Me for Individuals and Families manual and use them for conversation starters
· Centered on Christ
· Ground rules to include:
1. Confidentiality
2. Respect for others
3. No “church bashing” but allowing a safe space to talk about various views, experiences, and emotions
· Not a therapeutic support group; moderators are not trained as counselors
· Begin and end with prayer and hymn
· I will moderate at least the first session, but would love to have others, especially those who are LGBTQ+, become moderators
· The first meeting will be focused on introductions, establishing ground rules, and the “Thoughts to Keep in Mind” introductory section of the CFM manual, especially focusing on how to find Christ in the Old Testament
· At the first meeting, we will ask if there are members of the group who would like to lead discussions at the next meeting, and have them choose which section of the lesson they would like to focus on

Can I lead the discussion on the C,FM lesson, Genesis 18-23?

[NewEliza]

I’m in the Rs pres and I was recently also invited to such a meeting.

[Mamabear]

I’m in the Rs pres and I was recently also invited to such a meeting.

What was it about? Did you go?

[FoundMyEden]

I should go and tell them I prayed my gay away. Hahah they'd kick me out so fast.
(It actually happened, I prayed for same gender attraction away and it left)
People would hate me.
Oh wow, when i think about it....theyd hate a used to be same gender attraction person. How dare they! Lol

There are many Christians who have said this as well. It makes me sick when I hear people start pandering to someone's sins and making excuses instead of saying, "Hey, I know it's hard...I'll walk the mile with you". I hear ya, sister. Pray away...It does work.

[farmerchick]

Maybe we should also facilitate Paedophiles R Us, Women With Willy's, Menstruating Men, Rapists Are Nice or The Serial Killers Club.

This is not a joke...it's coming to a fireside near you....seriously I never thought I would live to see the day the church became gay....but here we are rainbow come follow me......holy freaking cow.....

[JuneBug12000]

I’m in the Rs pres and I was recently also invited to such a meeting.

I went to one in Utah Feb 27, 2020 and the RS Pres I served with was ecstatic. I went home and the Lord taught me a lot. I told Him I didn't know how to go to our ward if they were going to be teaching things untruths to our youth. He told me He would take care of it. Then they cancelled church for a year!

Trust in the Lord!

Edit:
I should add He also had us move to an awesome ward in Idaho. Much better where we are now.

[NewEliza]

I’m in the Rs pres and I was recently also invited to such a meeting.

What was it about? Did you go?

I should clarify I don’t THINK it was a stake supported meeting… it was just some fireside that a bunch of mormons hosted and some gay DEseret book author from byu came to speak. I know several people in my ward went and I was invited along with the RS Presidency by them

No I didn’t go I’m not a fool

[NewEliza]

I’m in the Rs pres and I was recently also invited to such a meeting.

I went to one in Utah Feb 27, 2020 and the RS Pres I served with was ecstatic. I went home and the Lord taught me a lot. I told Him I didn't know how to go to our ward if they were going to be teaching things untruths to our youth. He told me He would take care of it. Then they cancelled church for a year!

Trust in the Lord!

Edit:
I should add He also had us move to an awesome ward in Idaho. Much better where we are now.

Well I’m in idaho ha

[JuneBug12000]

I’m in the Rs pres and I was recently also invited to such a meeting.

What was it about? Did you go?

I should clarify I don’t THINK it was a stake supported meeting… it was just some fireside that a bunch of mormons hosted and some gay DEseret book author from byu came to speak. I know several people in my ward went and I was invited along with the RS Presidency by them

No I didn’t go I’m not a fool

Let me guess: Ben Schilaty.

[Lizzy60]

I’m in the Rs pres and I was recently also invited to such a meeting.

What was it about? Did you go?

I should clarify I don’t THINK it was a stake supported meeting… it was just some fireside that a bunch of mormons hosted and some gay DEseret book author from byu came to speak. I know several people in my ward went and I was invited along with the RS Presidency by them

No I didn’t go I’m not a fool

Let me guess: Ben Schilaty.

Or it could be Charlie Bird.

The two of them did a podcast recently where it was revealed that Charlie has had a boyfriend for quite some time, including while he was at BYU. Schilaty, in the Honors Code Office, helped him keep it a secret. Since graduating, Charlie has had to still keep it secret so he can have his book sold and promoted by Deseret Book. He is being more open now, go figure......


“Charlie admits in this episode that he deceived many Latter-day Saints who looked to him as an example of someone who was towing the party-line as a single and celibate, gay Mormon. He admits that without that deception, he wouldn’t have had a platform, and without that platform he wouldn’t have been able to reach the inner minds of the faithful Latter-day Saints.
That is what the culture creates: a deception to heal a deception.
Charlie wrote a book that was published and promoted by Deseret Book. He has trotted across Zion speaking in ward and stake firesides/councils promulgating the cultural message of what it looks like to be gay and Mormon.
Ironically, but not surprisingly, there was another mask he was hiding behind.”

[CuriousThinker]

What was it about? Did you go?

I should clarify I don’t THINK it was a stake supported meeting… it was just some fireside that a bunch of mormons hosted and some gay DEseret book author from byu came to speak. I know several people in my ward went and I was invited along with the RS Presidency by them

No I didn’t go I’m not a fool

Let me guess: Ben Schilaty.

Or it could be Charlie Bird.

The two of them did a podcast recently where it was revealed that Charlie has had a boyfriend for quite some time, including while he was at BYU. Schilaty, in the Honors Code Office, helped him keep it a secret. Since graduating, Charlie has had to still keep it secret so he can have his book sold and promoted by Deseret Book. He is being more open now, go figure......


“Charlie admits in this episode that he deceived many Latter-day Saints who looked to him as an example of someone who was towing the party-line as a single and celibate, gay Mormon. He admits that without that deception, he wouldn’t have had a platform, and without that platform he wouldn’t have been able to reach the inner minds of the faithful Latter-day Saints.
That is what the culture creates: a deception to heal a deception.
Charlie wrote a book that was published and promoted by Deseret Book. He has trotted across Zion speaking in ward and stake firesides/councils promulgating the cultural message of what it looks like to be gay and Mormon.
Ironically, but not surprisingly, there was another mask he was hiding behind.”

So, he is blaming others for his deception. He couldn't tell the truth because the members wouldn't trust him. How ironic.
It kinda reminds me of fake hate crimes. They fake them to "prove" that hate crimes happen.
How do people that lie justify their deceit?

[EvanLM]

there was anassembly when Iwas in high school where an ex drug addict was speaking . . . . I thought he was so cool, but really was worried that to be as cool as him then . . . I would have to get on drugs then off. . .really . . in my child mind then I justified it since I could repent later . . . .

I didn't get on drugs btw . . I just stayed a loser . . .

the youth of this church have, for yeeeeeeears . . .believed that they can sin now and repent later . . . this is exactly what is being taught . . "we'll support you in your sin cuz we know that you'll repent '. . . it has been taught suttley since I was young . . . .

[JohnnyL]

What was it about? Did you go?

I should clarify I don’t THINK it was a stake supported meeting… it was just some fireside that a bunch of mormons hosted and some gay DEseret book author from byu came to speak. I know several people in my ward went and I was invited along with the RS Presidency by them

No I didn’t go I’m not a fool

Let me guess: Ben Schilaty.

Or it could be Charlie Bird.

The two of them did a podcast recently where it was revealed that Charlie has had a boyfriend for quite some time, including while he was at BYU. Schilaty, in the Honors Code Office, helped him keep it a secret. Since graduating, Charlie has had to still keep it secret so he can have his book sold and promoted by Deseret Book. He is being more open now, go figure......


“Charlie admits in this episode that he deceived many Latter-day Saints who looked to him as an example of someone who was towing the party-line as a single and celibate, gay Mormon. He admits that without that deception, he wouldn’t have had a platform, and without that platform he wouldn’t have been able to reach the inner minds of the faithful Latter-day Saints.
That is what the culture creates: a deception to heal a deception.
Charlie wrote a book that was published and promoted by Deseret Book. He has trotted across Zion speaking in ward and stake firesides/councils promulgating the cultural message of what it looks like to be gay and Mormon.
Ironically, but not surprisingly, there was another mask he was hiding behind.”

"Coming out of the closet--again!" I can't believe they didn't use that at the end of the article instead of a hiding behind a mask. Oh well.