Will the coronavirus be destabilizing?

[Trucker]

Do you think the coronavirus is going to be destabilizing? Is it going to disrupt the economy, society, or governments? Even if this isn't "the big one" do you think it's big enough to cause system failure or system changes? Do you think that this is only going to be disruptive in China? Please discuss.

[investigator]

30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

[Trucker]

30 And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
31 And there shall be men standing in that generation, that shall not pass until they shall see an overflowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.

Yet you didn't vote "Yes". So then this isn't "an overflowing scourge"?

[BeNotDeceived]

Three cases of the deadly coronavirus have been confirmed in New South Wales, bringing the total nationwide to four.

NSW Health tonight confirmed three men – aged in theirs 30s, 40s and 50s – are being treated in Westmead Hospital in Sydney and are in isolation.

All three men arrived on flights from China – one on January 6, one on January 19 and the other date is being checked by authorities.

Mr Hazzard labelled it a “tricky” and “evolving” virus

Mr. Hazzard , but not tricky virus. dbnp

[abijah`]

im interested in the potential diplomatic effects this can have. supposedly usa is in a trade war with china with a future deal yet to be made, as well as pressures in hong kong, now this.

its not like china's economy is as bulletproof as people think. if anything its a paper dragon, after decades of short-term gain, long-term loss policies.

china's draconian response (once they did) should only indicate their level of panic. they can't afford to deal with this right now.

[PickleRick]

(Puts on tin foil hat)

I suspect the markets are FINALLY about to crash, and "they" need a black swan to blame it on so all of the dishonest finance that has gone on won't be discovered.

Coronavirus is a scapegoat. Not saying it isn't real, not at all - but I expect the REAL effect is going to be relatively minor compared to what it will be blamed for, economically.

[pho·to·syn·the·sis]

I have been working around biohazards/ bio defense for quite a few years now. Viruses and bacterias can be pretty scary stuff, especially when "weaponized". However, I can tell you what "experts" in my field are secretly concerned about... PRIONS! Though rare in humans, they are increasingly becoming a concern to governments worldwide. keep your ear to the ground for these little proteins.

[tdj]

I'm not sure what I"m missing on the coronavirus, but what I read about it suggested it was a relatively mild thing, that's been around forever. I'm not sure why it's getting on the news like it's a deadly epidemic.

[Lizzy60]

This was informative, and not tin-foil-hat stuff. It's just under 30 minutes.

https://www.skywatchtv.com/videos/scifr ... disease-x/

[creator]

More propaganda and scare tactics to convince people they must be vaccinated?

[Lizzy60]

An article about how fast it could spread:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/medical-s ... 270%20days

[Lizzy60]

More propaganda and scare tactics to convince people they must be vaccinated?

Never let a crisis go to waste.......

[BeNotDeceived]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW3qXcH ... e=emb_logo

Woohoo , but not Wuhan. dbnp

[Lord of my dogs]

Pretty soon we will know the kill percentage of the virus and then we can determine how bad it really is.

That's not to say that people with permanent lung damage that don't die, and live on in misery, don't count.

[Doc]

More propaganda and scare tactics to convince people they must be vaccinated?

There is no vaccine. If you remember SARS, it was also a coronavirus. We never implemented a successful vaccine for it. The biggest fear is it’s potential for mutations. SARS mutated to a less virulent form, hopefully this will do the same.

[Dlight]

I don't like media hype and it's too early to know for sure, but the scary thing about this i"the period between exposure to the virus and the appearance of first symptoms — can range from one to 14 days; and that it is infectious during this time."

So essentially a person could be infected spreading a disease for two weeks and not even know they are infected. That's the perfect virus, sounds biologically engineered. Some reports are insinuating this may be a virus leaked from one of the laboratories in Wuhan China that are linked to the biological warfare program. Early reports say the death tolls are proving up to 1000 times more deadly that the regular flu, so it's no wonder they have quarantined 40 million people.

We will know in about one month or so how serious this will be if it continues to have a slow ramp up.

[4Joshua8]

Do you think the coronavirus is going to be destabilizing? Is it going to disrupt the economy, society, or governments? Even if this isn't "the big one" do you think it's big enough to cause system failure or system changes? Do you think that this is only going to be disruptive in China? Please discuss.

I've been hearing reports of it being the largest quarantine in history (something like 40 million people so far).

5 confirmed cases now in USA so far. 2 in CA, 1 in WA, 1 in IL, and 1 in AZ.

For those interested, here's a regularly-updated tracker of the spread of this virus, along with the deaths and recoveries.
Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE) - Data sources: WHO, CDC, NHC and Dingxiangyuan
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

[BKColt]

Well, if 5M folks from Wuhan did leave the city before the barricades went up, as reported..

And if the mortality rate is closer to 5% as it seems...

And if many deaths are being listed as Pneumonia contraction to lower the death count...

And if the virus has recently mutated to become more virulent as reported...

And if the R0 is more like 3 or 4 ( think of this as the higher the number, the more people who become infected by a carrier)... using R0 for Spanish flu from 1918 at about 1.8, as a comparison...

And if the incubation period is truly 1 to 14 days, with a carrier able to infect others before their own symptoms arise...

And if the first case was actually on 1 December...

Then, we may see an expansion across the globe by the end of February if not sooner.

Those watching the numbers closely are likely those buying up the N95 masks.

Personally, I'm hoping/praying for a much less lethal and less virulent next-gen mutation to take hold leading to a petering out of the lethality, a la SARS.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst... like 3 months of what you eat on hand... wash hands frequently, cut back on crowded exposure, have a plan.

[PickleRick]

Pretty soon we will know the kill percentage of the virus and then we can determine how bad it really is.

That's not to say that people with permanent lung damage that don't die, and live on in misery, don't count.

Very rough calculation on my part is about 3% fatality rate. But they are also saying it has gone to a phase 2 mutation which is both more contagious and more deadly.

Again, hard to separate fact from fiction, it's hard to know who to trust. We're certainly getting propagandized.

[4Joshua8]

A "nurse" "whistleblower" in China says there are currently 90,000 infected and that China is lying about the numbers of infected people.

https://youtu.be/oUuk9af4_jg

Of course, no idea if this is legit.

[creator]

A "nurse" "whistleblower" in China says there are currently 90,000 infected and that China is lying about the numbers of infected people.

Much ado about nothing.

To put this in perspective:

From cdc.gov:
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

Again, it's just more propaganda and fear-mongering. They just want to control you. The Matrix is real.

[4Joshua8]

A "nurse" "whistleblower" in China says there are currently 90,000 infected and that China is lying about the numbers of infected people.

Much ado about nothing.

To put this in perspective:

From cdc.gov:
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

Again, it's just more propaganda and fear-mongering. They just want to control you. The Matrix is real.

It's premature to call it much ado about nothing. It's too new.
IF the early reports are correct (probably not correct), this has a mortality rate of about 3% (flu is usually much less than 1%).
IF the early reports are correct, this has an R0 of 3.8 (meaning each infected person infects at least 3.8 others on average). That's huge.
IF the early reports are correct, it can infect others before symptoms.
In other words, IF the early reports are correct then 45 million infected (your high end on the flu) will be nothing compared to how many will be infected with this coronavirus.

But, it's also premature to say it's going to kill 65 million people (or a million, or a thousand). LOL. It could fizzle out tomorrow.

If this truly does have an R0 of 3.8 and a mortality rate of 3%, then the governments involved and the media are intentionally not telling us information for some reason. I say that because only 3000 confirmed illnesses seems way too low at this point, with it having been ongoing since early December...
Let's assume a person can infect 5 days after being infected and that it's been 50 days since the first illness (since they say you can get others sick during incubation period). I don't even know how to do that math...I think it's 1 x 3.8 x 3.8 x 3.8 x 3.8 x 3.8 x 3.8 x 3.8 x 3.8 x 3.8 = 165000 ill so far just in the first 50 days. Feel free to project that number out just 5 more times (25 more days, for 130 million total ill). 25 more days, and the whole planet is ill...LOL...Things don't usually work out in real life like on paper, but still. Something doesn't pass the smell test on this one.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, however, about "they" wanting to control. That said, one of these times, and soon, it isn't going to be a nothing burger.

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[Trucker]

New informative video from doctors in Hong Kong. Basically, there is a real chance this will become a global epidemic.

[Trucker]

I'm starting to think that this will be destabilizing in China, but probably not outside. But if China is destabilized, perhaps that would cause a change in government and the Chinese can become more free. Even the virus even causes an economic collapse, that might be enough to cause a political change.

[ChooseTruth]

I'm starting to think that this will be destabilizing in China, but probably not outside. But if China is destabilized, perhaps that would cause a change in government and the Chinese can become more free. Even the virus even causes an economic collapse, that might be enough to cause a political change.

If China has an economic collapse, so will we. With a global economy, we’re all interconnected.