Debriefing our Children

[eddie]

Parents, Not Schools Should Teach Morals

Why do public schools teach morality to our children? My Grand-daughter comes home with ideas we are very opposed to, almost daily we have to debrief her!

I realize there are children who are not taught at home, so some feel that sex education etc. should be taught at school, that our educators have this responsibility. How can we handle this? Perhaps the school needs a consent form from the parents?" Leave my child in art class during these presentations." We parents have rights and the responsibility to teach our children morals according to what we believe, right?

Preventing teen pregnancy, contraception birth control?
Abortion is taught as a teen pregnancy option?

Our family believes sex should be reserved for marriage and the only way to prevent teen pregnancy is abstinence. We also believe in adoption.
Let the school system teach reading, writing and arithmetic. I don't know why we parents and grandparents allow this?
Of course some home school, but not everyone can do that.

Any Suggestions?

[Craig Johnson]

I do not like public schools and I do not like one man telling another man what he can grow. I am okay with laws against people making opiate derivatives and other derivatives and synthetics. Public schools and their overmasters have a lot to answer for, teaching their BS religion to our children. The religion of evolution, big-bang, bible is a no-no, gay people are just like us, guns are bad, bullies are just misunderstood, here's how you have sex, so young man you want to be a girl YIPPEE!, and on and on. They have a lot to answer for and I for one want to be their punisher.

[Fiannan]

Parents, Not Schools Should Teach Morals

Why do public schools teach morality to our children? My Grand-daughter comes home with ideas we are very opposed to, almost daily we have to debrief her!

I realize there are children who are not taught at home, so some feel that sex education etc. should be taught at school, that our educators have this responsibility. How can we handle this? Perhaps the school needs a consent form from the parents?" Leave my child in art class during these presentations." We parents have rights and the responsibility to teach our children morals according to what we believe, right?

Preventing teen pregnancy, contraception birth control?
Abortion is taught as a teen pregnancy option?

Our family believes sex should be reserved for marriage and the only way to prevent teen pregnancy is abstinence. We also believe in adoption.
Let the school system teach reading, writing and arithmetic. I don't know why we parents and grandparents allow this?
Of course some home school, but not everyone can do that.

Any Suggestions?

If you live in California the story of indoctrination is only just beginning.

[eddie]

"My dear brothers and sisters, if we are concerned about our tomorrows, we will teach our children wisely and carefully, for in them lie our tomorrows.



Every human being is a spirit child of God and lived with Heavenly Father before coming to earth. He entrusts his spirit children to earthly parents who provide a mortal body for them through the miracle of physical birth and gives to parents the sacred opportunity and responsibility to love, protect, teach, and to bring them up in light and truth so they may one day, through the atonement and resurrection of Jesus Christ, return to our Father’s presence.

“But ye will teach them to walk in the ways of truth and soberness; ye will teach them to love one another, and to serve one another.” (Mosiah 4:15.)

The critical nature of the first tender formative years cannot be overstated. These little ones are like seedlings in a plant nursery. All look much the same in the beginning, but each one will grow to become independent and unique. Parents are to nourish, tend, and teach their children so they will grow to their full stature and potential.

To see our children grow, succeed, and take their places in society and in the Lord’s kingdom is an eternal reward worth any inconvenience or sacrifice.

To teach our children the gospel of Jesus Christ and to Protect them from the influences of a wicked world , love must abide in our homes. We should cherish and care for our children with unwavering dedication. The older we grow, the more precious our family becomes to us. We come to see more clearly that all of the wealth, honor, and positions of the world pale in significance when compared to the precious souls of our loved ones. You young parents who are beginning your families must guard against seeking financial gain, worldly comforts, or achievement at the expense of your children. You must guard against being so anxious to get to work or to a meeting that you do not have time for your family, especially time to listen to anxious little voices. Always remember this timeless counsel from a prophet of God, President David O. McKay: “No other success can compensate for failure in the home.” (Improvement Era, June 1964, p. 445.)

Russell M. Ballard

[kittycat51]

When it comes to teaching morals, of course we teach our children. But I'm grateful to live in our area (Utah County, Utah). Because of the high concentration of LDS people including many teachers, what is taught in health class is mild compared to the rest of the country. I do like that many of the assignments, my boys were required to ask us parents many questions concerning morals, sex ed etc. It was good to have open dialogue again on what we believe to be correct, right and good.

[David13]

Parents, Not Schools Should Teach Morals

Why do public schools teach morality to our children? My Grand-daughter comes home with ideas we are very opposed to, almost daily we have to debrief her!

I realize there are children who are not taught at home, so some feel that sex education etc. should be taught at school, that our educators have this responsibility. How can we handle this? Perhaps the school needs a consent form from the parents?" Leave my child in art class during these presentations." We parents have rights and the responsibility to teach our children morals according to what we believe, right?

Preventing teen pregnancy, contraception birth control?
Abortion is taught as a teen pregnancy option?

Our family believes sex should be reserved for marriage and the only way to prevent teen pregnancy is abstinence. We also believe in adoption.
Let the school system teach reading, writing and arithmetic. I don't know why we parents and grandparents allow this?
Of course some home school, but not everyone can do that.

Any Suggestions?

If you live in California the story of indoctrination is only just beginning.

I do not believe Eddie lives in California. I also believe Eddie is an older fellow so the kids are grown, but there may be grand-kids, or great, or great great or great great great - ah sorry Eddie I think I know you are not that old.

Anyway, all joking aside, I lived 44 years in California and the indoctrination began long long long ago. In fact, when I was in Michigan before California the indoctrination had begun there in the colleges and universities. It was already underway even there.
dc

Any suggestions? Home school or move to an area like mentioned of Utah above, or the area where I am I think also there is a strong presence of the church, also in the schools, so I don't think the indoctrination is so strong here. But, with no kids or grand kids of my own, and no great grand kids, I don't really know. However, what I see looks good.

[eddie]

Parents, Not Schools Should Teach Morals

Why do public schools teach morality to our children? My Grand-daughter comes home with ideas we are very opposed to, almost daily we have to debrief her!

I realize there are children who are not taught at home, so some feel that sex education etc. should be taught at school, that our educators have this responsibility. How can we handle this? Perhaps the school needs a consent form from the parents?" Leave my child in art class during these presentations." We parents have rights and the responsibility to teach our children morals according to what we believe, right?

Preventing teen pregnancy, contraception birth control?
Abortion is taught as a teen pregnancy option?

Our family believes sex should be reserved for marriage and the only way to prevent teen pregnancy is abstinence. We also believe in adoption.
Let the school system teach reading, writing and arithmetic. I don't know why we parents and grandparents allow this?
Of course some home school, but not everyone can do that.

Any Suggestions?

If you live in California the story of indoctrination is only just beginning.

I do not believe Eddie lives in California. I also believe Eddie is an older fellow so the kids are grown, but there may be grand-kids, or great, or great great or great great great - ah sorry Eddie I think I know you are not that old.
If I ever meet you I'm going to hit you with my cane, and bite you while praying my polident holds!
Anyway, all joking aside, I lived 44 years in California and the indoctrination began long long long ago. In fact, when I was in Michigan before California the indoctrination had begun there in the colleges and universities. It was already underway even there.
dc

Any suggestions? Home school or move to an area like mentioned of Utah above, or the area where I am I think also there is a strong presence of the church, also in the schools, so I don't think the indoctrination is so strong here. But, with no kids or grand kids of my own, and no great grand kids, I don't really know. However, what I see looks good.

If my children were young, and of course I'm still mistaken for their sister, I mean brother , I would home school them. I have friends who do, and they can do in 2 hours what it takes the school all day. As far as socializing, you get to choose who they associate with. If they are weak because they aren't bullied and offered drugs all day, I will let them visit prisoners or David 13 after he gets out of the hospital!

[JohnnyL]

Utah isn't that much better.

Sex ed is sex ed. Luckily, many of the explicit and profane comments that the teachers "don't hear" are missing.

We have 1st graders sexually harassing classmates and sexually touching. Schools won't do much about it.

2nd grade girls that are not allowed to be called "girls". Schools support it.

Etc.

At least high school isn't as bad.

[eddie]

Utah isn't that much better.

Sex ed is sex ed. Luckily, many of the explicit and profane comments that the teachers "don't hear" are missing.

We have 1st graders sexually harassing classmates and sexually touching. Schools won't do much about it.

2nd grade girls that are not allowed to be called "girls". Schools support it.

Etc.

At least high school isn't as bad.

Yeah, by high school I was a full fledged sinner, nothin more to learn.

[brianj]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say sex ed is a good thing. Most parents in the US don't teach morality to their children, so they aren't going to try to be chaste. And a lot of youth will go against their parents' teachings out of spite. At least if they are taught about contraception and protecting themselves from diseases we will see fewer unwed teen mothers and fewer people living off welfare or in poverty.

Returning to the OP, public schools teach morality because those behind the federal takeover of education, teacher's unions, and educational bureaucracy understand how effective public education is at shaping beliefs. The people behind these groups probably sincerely believe they are doing the right thing, but they are being guided in their efforts by the adversary.

[djinwa]

So we're willing to turn our kids over to the state for education and then we're surprised that they're taught things we don't believe in?

Parents should teach their own kids, but there is one problem. Most parents don't like their kids that much. I often hear how happy parents are when Christmas break or summer is over so their kids can go back to school.

Ideally, like-minded parents could hire a teacher for an education co-op, but they would have to pay for that. And since public school is "free" (after stealing tax money), most aren't interested.

My wife taught in public school for a few years before she couldn't take it anymore. Should write a book. Fraud, waste, abuse, and parents that don't care, or only care about the teacher giving Johnny good grades without him earning them.

Amazing how many church members that hated the socialist Obama, are supportive of the socialist public schools. Including my SIL on the school board. 'Conservatives' for socialism!

[gardener4life]

Regarding debriefing, this is such a wonderful strategy! I'll also tell you its inspired. I do this to relatives.

Some people use debriefing for kids, but it can be needed for adults too. You take someone aside and you mean every word of it, because you've felt the Spirit. I've had to tell relatives under the influence of the Spirit, 'you know I know you are going to go visit So and So, and they are going to try to manipulate you. Don't agree anything and if they ask you to do something you can talk to me about it before you agree to anything'.

If the person is rebellious themselves they might not always listen. That's sad when that happens. But people have their right to choose to be in captivity.

You'd be surprised how often people try to manipulate others in schools but also adults at work, and all kinds of stuff. I think everyone needs a good trustworthy person they can go to and say, yeah this is what's real, and encourage them to identify what's getting closer to Christ and what's not.

Eddie great post. This was a good idea to put something up on.

[Ezra]

Trust no one to be your TEACHER nor your minister, except he be a man of God, walking in His ways and keeping His commandments. Mosiah 23:14


“Moral values are being neglected and prayer expelled from public schools on the pretext that moral teaching belongs to religion. At the same time, atheism, the secular religion, is admitted to class, and our youngsters are proselyted to a conduct without morality... we are caught in a current so strong that unless we correct our course, civilization as we know it will surely be wrecked to pieces...The distance between the church and a world set on a course which we cannot follow will steadily increase.
In many places it is literally not safe physically for youngsters to go to school. And in many schools, and its becoming almost generally true, it is spiritually unsafe to attend public schools. Look back over the history of education to the turn of the century and the beginning of the educational philosophies, pragmatism and humanism were the early ones, and they branched out into a number of other philosophies which have led us now into a circumstance where our schools are producing the problems that we face". Boyd k packer

[eddie]

The Lord warned parents, “Inasmuch as parents have children in Zion, … that teach them not to understand the doctrine of repentance, faith in Christ the Son of the living God, and of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of the hands, when eight years old, the sin be upon the heads of the parents.”11

[harakim]

If you send your kids to public school and you have any other option, that's a sin.

Finding strong-worded quotes from the prophets about public education is like shooting fish in a barrel. The last one backs up my point clearly, but I'm sure anyone who needs to read it will have stopped by then.

..there is once in a while a good man comes along as a school teacher who is not a "Mormon," but as a general thing, what have these men done? They have planted the seeds of infidelity in the hearts of the children, decoyed the hearts of their female pupils, and led them to ruin, and they have turned round and cursed us... They do not know a Saint from a sinner or righteousness from unrighteousness... (The Mind and Will of the Lord, Brigham Young, p. 443)

“I would rather have my child exposed to smallpox, typhus fever, cholera, or other malignant and deadly diseases than to the degrading influence of a corrupt teacher. It is infinitely better to take chances with an ignorant, but pure-minded teacher than with the greatest philosopher who is impure.” (General Conference, ETB, October 1970)

“And then we want to study also the principles of education, and to get the very best teachers we can to teach our children; see that they are men and women who fear God and keep his commandments. We do not want men or women to teach the children of the Latter-day Saints who are not Latter-day Saints themselves. Hear it, you Elders of Israel?” (Journal of Discourses 20:179, John Taylor, General Conference April 1879)

“I am told in the revelations to bring up my children in the fear of God. Now we are engaged in building our temples that we may become united and linked together by eternal covenants that shall exist in all time and throughout eternity. And then when we have done all this go and deliberately turn our children over to whom? To men who do not believe the Gospel, to men who, according to your faith are never going to the celestial kingdom of God. And you will turn your children over to them. And you call yourselves Latter-day Saints, do you? I will suppose a case. You expect to be saved in the celestial kingdom of God. Well, supposing your expectations are realized, which I sometimes doubt, and you look down, down somewhere in a terrestrial or telestial kingdom, as the case may be, and you see your children, the offspring that God had given you to train up in his fear, to honor him and keep his commandments. And supposing they could converse with you what would be their feelings toward you? It would be, Father, Mother, you are to blame for this. I would have been with you if you had hot tampered with the principles of life and salvation in permitting me to be decoyed away by false teachers, who taught incorrect principles. And this is the result of it. But then I very much question men and women’s getting into the Celestial kingdom of God who have no more knowledge about principles of life and salvation than to go and tamper with the sacred offspring, the principle of life which God entrusted to your care, to thus shuffle it off to imbibe the spirit of unbelief, which leads to destruction and death.” Journal of Discourses 20:107

[harakim]

I have noticed one bizarre trait of people who bought into public education as children: the inability to listen to the truth. These people, when confronted with something the prevailing authority disagrees with, will REFUSE to listen any longer. They will make it personal, they will start doing something else, they will even walk out of the room to get away from something that is clearly the truth but against the authority. And I know a lot of people are thinking they attended public school and they don't do that but so does everyone until I point it out. It's years of public school programming.

[Fiannan]

I have noticed one bizarre trait of people who bought into public education as children: the inability to listen to the truth. These people, when confronted with something the prevailing authority disagrees with, will REFUSE to listen any longer. They will make it personal, they will start doing something else, they will even walk out of the room to get away from something that is clearly the truth but against the authority. And I know a lot of people are thinking they attended public school and they don't do that but so does everyone until I point it out. It's years of public school programming.

I am not sure we can blame public education for this. The entire culture is going this way. Back in the 1980s I noticed that people from certain "non-denominational" churches, if confronted with anything that went counter to how they believed, would get this glossed-over look in their eyes as they stared behind you and then they would get this Justin Trudeau-like voice and then change the subject. I figured it was indicative of cult status but in recent years I have seen this develop in more and more people.

[harakim]

I have noticed one bizarre trait of people who bought into public education as children: the inability to listen to the truth. These people, when confronted with something the prevailing authority disagrees with, will REFUSE to listen any longer. They will make it personal, they will start doing something else, they will even walk out of the room to get away from something that is clearly the truth but against the authority. And I know a lot of people are thinking they attended public school and they don't do that but so does everyone until I point it out. It's years of public school programming.

I am not sure we can blame public education for this. The entire culture is going this way. Back in the 1980s I noticed that people from certain "non-denominational" churches, if confronted with anything that went counter to how they believed, would get this glossed-over look in their eyes as they stared behind you and then they would get this Justin Trudeau-like voice and then change the subject. I figured it was indicative of cult status but in recent years I have seen this develop in more and more people.

Maybe public education is just the only cult whose members I am regularly exposed to. I do know many people who have never acted like this around me. Perhaps they will argue, but they do not have an overwhelming need to bring an immediate end to the discussion.

[Ezra]

Has anyone read the book.

https://www.amazon.com/Revealed-Educati ... B0022VIIH2

By jack monett

Really great book on the subject of schooling and what has been prophesied and taught by our prophets.

This is one of the more recent talks I have come across by...... our newest prophet.

Think on this for a moment. This is being given at BYU Idaho. Which (should) be much better education vs nonlds college for corruption within the education. Yet our now current prophet warns.

Russell M Nelson BYUI Devotional January 2010
While you search for education and wisdom, I need to offer a serious word of caution. Choose carefully what you will learn, whose teachings you will follow, and whose purposes you will serve. And don’t place all your intellectual eggs in the solitary basket of secular learning. Remember this warning from the Book of Mormon. (2 Nephi 9:28 & 29) The vainness, and the frailties, and the foolish of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God. (D&C 6:7) Seek not for riches but for wisdom, and behold, the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto you, and then shall you be made rich. Behold, he that hath eternal life is rich. In retrospect, I can see that mankind’s general and pervasive lack of knowledge of the scriptures has handicapped great numbers of people for long periods of time. The suffering that has resulted from such ignorance is truly tragic. (Lev. 15:8-15) (2 Tim. 3:1-7) (2 Nephi 28:30) (D&C 50:24) (D&C 88:67) (D&C 93:28) So to build your eternal destiny, you cannot, you must not, limit your lessons only to those lessons that are warped by the world to exclude the truth from God. (Jacob 4:10) (D&C 45:29-33) (D&C 87:6)

Warped by the world. The secular education at byu Idaho is warped by the world. If it’s happening there. How much more is it happening in pubic schooling??

[BruceRGilbert]

Zion begins "within," first. Then with "family." Are we safeguarding our children's birthright?

[eddie]

I love this...

The Savior gave the ever-familiar plea, “Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of heaven” (Mark 10:14).



Jesus “commanded that their little children should be brought.

“So they brought their little children and set them down upon the ground round about him, and Jesus stood in the midst; …

“He commanded the multitude that they should kneel down upon the ground.

“And it came to pass that when they had knelt upon the ground, Jesus groaned within himself, and said: Father, I am troubled because of the wickedness of the people of the house of Israel. …

“He himself also knelt upon the earth; and behold he prayed unto the Father, and the things which he prayed cannot be written, …

“And no tongue can speak, neither can there be written by any man, neither can the hearts of men conceive so great and marvelous things as [they] both saw and heard Jesus speak; …

“And they arose from the earth, and he said unto them: Blessed are ye because of your faith. And now behold, my joy is full.

“And when he had said these words, he wept, and the multitude bare record of it, and he took their little children, one by one, and blessed them, and prayed unto the Father for them.

“And when he had done this he wept again;

“And he … said unto them: Behold your little ones. …[/color]

[simpleton]

I wished I would have saved it, but some years ago I ran across a blog or maybe rather a testimony of a young LDS mother in California that wanted to take her children out of public school and teach them at home. The husband absolutely refused as he wanted ( like all of us do) his children to have the best education and to not be "socially awkward". She tried all ways persuasively in her power to convince him to let her homeschool, NO WAY was he to be persuaded. Finally as the court of last resort she asked him if he would pray about it which he reluctantly agreed to do. (Now I do know that over time our memories have a way of changing somewhat) But I'll never forget the answer he said he received to his prayer and that changed his mind was:
" IF YOUR CHILDREN NEVER LEARNED ANOTHER THING, THEY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH THEIR MOTHER".

Now I for one most definitely agree wholeheartedly with his answer and believe it was from God. As the more I see what is transpiring amongst us and in our minds verifies that answer, besides the fact of my portion of public schooling and some of my children.
Amazing how for pride and for our lusts of money and material things we will barter away our salvation and that of our innocent children.
The greatest prophet of this dispensation had no "public" education to speak of, yet, look at the incomprehensible light and intelligence he received. And as Joseph said you can learn more in 5 minutes from God than all the books ever written upon the subject. But yet we are still required to study and read out of the best of books. The problem is not education per say but our children being taught by unbelievers and even by believers that are not in tune with God or believers that still cling to their false traditions and teach them to our children. ( we parents have enough false traditions ourselves to overcome).

I most heartily agree also with Brigham and Heber on this one:

"He [President Brigham Young] conversed freely on the situation of the Saints in the mountains, and said that he dreaded the time when the Saints would become popular with the world; for he had seen in sorrow, in a dream, or in dreams, this people clothed in the fashions of Babylon and drinking in the spirit of Babylon until one could hardly tell a Saint from a black-leg. And he felt like shouting, "To your tents, Oh Israel!" because it was the only thing that could keep the people pure."
--Brigham Young, Mosiah Hancock Autobiography, typescript, BYU-S, p.73
"This people know enough to be righteous, honest, pure, and virtuous; and those who will not practice that which they know to be good will become habituated to folly and vice, just in the same way that men became habituated to using tobacco, to stealing, drinking, and lying. When the time comes that the Lord says, 'Arise and to your tents, O Israel;' then men must be pure inside and out; they must be for God, or they will have no part in the blessings conferred upon the righteous."
--Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol.9, p.154, June 19, 1862

[BruceRGilbert]

Please read the following with an open heart and in understanding:

Hebrews 11:
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Doctrine and Covenants 84:
96 For I, the Almighty, have laid my hands upon the nations, to scourge them for their wickedness.

97 And plagues shall go forth, and they shall not be taken from the earth until I have completed my work, which shall be cut short in righteousness—

98 Until all shall know me, who remain, even from the least unto the greatest, and shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord, and shall see eye to eye, and shall lift up their voice, and with the voice together sing this new song, saying:

99 The Lord hath brought again Zion;The Lord hath redeemed his people, Israel,According to the election of grace,Which was brought to pass by the faith And covenant of their fathers.

100 The Lord hath redeemed his people;And Satan is bound and time is no longer.The Lord hath gathered all things in one.The Lord hath brought down Zion from above.The Lord hath brought up Zion from beneath.

101 The earth hath travailed and brought forth her strength;And truth is established in her bowels;And the heavens have smiled upon her;And she is clothed with the glory of her God;For he stands in the midst of his people.

102 Glory, and honor, and power, and might,Be ascribed to our God; for he is full of mercy,Justice, grace and truth, and peace,Forever and ever, Amen.

Moses 7:
61 And the day shall come that the earth shall rest, but before that day the heavens shall be darkened, and a veil of darkness shall cover the earth; and the heavens shall shake, and also the earth; and great tribulations shall be among the children of men, but my people will I preserve;

62 And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.

63 And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;

64 And there shall be mine abode, and it shall be Zion, which shall come forth out of all the creations which I have made; and for the space of a thousand years the earth shall rest.

Romans 8:
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

[skmo]

If you send your kids to public school and you have any other option, that's a sin.

I believe that's one of the most creatively ridiculous uses of the word "sin" I've seen in a while.