Might God be using Trump to Repair America?

[LatterDayLizard]

Someone else pointed this out a while ago and I meant to post in agreement, because I had the same impression last year. So, I'll add this here.

This description of Morianton from the book of Ether makes me think of Pres. Trump.

Ether 10:9-11

Mortianton gathered together an 'army of outcasts' and 'went forth and gave battle unto the p0eople; and he gained power over the many cities; and t he war became exceedingly sore'. He 'gained power over all the land, and did establish himself king'Trump did gather the 'outcasts' to him, people who felt they'd been ignored by Washington' He won the election against all odds and the election was hard one and acrimonious.
And he 'eased the burden of the people, and 'gained favor in the eyes of the people'.In his first year he's undone 100's of regulations which were strangling the economy and prosperity. The liberal press and the ones who like 'business as usual' hate him, but he's still popular among the people.

'And he did do justice unto the people, but not unto himself because of his many whoredoms; wherefore he was cut off from the presence of the Lord'He's a worldly and flawed, prideful person, and by his own admission, he's not a religious man.

We shall see if this happens in the coming years.

"And it came to pass that Morianton built up many cities, and the people became exceedingly rich under his reign, both in buildings, and in gold and silver,' grain flocks herds, etc.

That's interesting. I'll have to give that one some thought.

[larsenb]

My comments in blue.

I don't deny the media is biased. I believe the alternative media is biased as well.

MSM is largely owned by 6 corporations; what they offer is all you get. Period! Alternative media originates mostly with individuals. Thousands and thousands of them. Thus, alternative media allows me to search among myriad, myriad sources in the search for accurate, balanced information, news coverage and analysis. Saying “alternative media” is biased, implies that you think it is a monolith. It is not.

Not all conspiracy theories are correct. The birther argument comes to mind.

You do understand that the official 9/11 story itself is a conspiracy theory, don’t you?

And have you read Arpaio’s study of the birth certificate issued by the Obama from the White House? He had two highly regarded document expert teams analyze it, and they found it was clearly ‘photoshopped’, and even found the original Hawaiian birth certificate used in the process, which was of a male baby born close in time to Obama’s alleged birthdate in the hospital claimed to be the location of the Obama birth.

This is a glaring example of where the MSM falls down. I doubt the study was ever printed or even reported on by them, except with derision and contempt if even mentioned. But you can pick up the study from alternative, web-based sources.

Nationalism is patriotism that has turned to the dark side of the force.

You’ve simply succumbed to a negative black-and-white interpretation of ‘nationalism’. Nationalism, for most people simply means love of country and working to make the country great.

I disagree. He won the white house pitting Americans against each other and he can't seem to stop. I think it's the salesman in him. I had the same problem with Obama. Trump is just being more crass about it. He knows his audience and is constantly seeking their approval by bashing their opponents. Take a look at his descriptions of his rivals. Where is the Reagan respect for those who he disagrees with? It's either you're "great, excellent, heroic" if you stand with him or you're "small, loser, evil" if you do something he doesn't like.

He does go overboard in characterizing some of his opponents, and could temper his descriptions somewhat. However, I love it when he stands up to mischaracterizations, lies, and attempts at character assassination and plain bullying directed at him from MSM newsmen and their political minions.

A case in point, was when he described Megyn Kelly as having blood coming out of her eyes and everywhere else, for him. He only expressed his exasperation after being incessantly attacked by her all the preceding year. He was not referring to female ‘issue’, as claimed by the MSM, but was simply using a common metaphor used to describe someone consumed by extreme anger and hate (i.e.., blood in the eye).

And he isn’t pitting Americans against each other. He is simply bringing to light an already egregiously divided nation. The left and their minions HATE this and are removing themselves from reasonable public discourse by their all-consuming hatred. They can be utterly relied on to cast anything the man does in a negative light. So who is doing the dividing??

True, secret combinations were the downfall of the Book of Mormon civilizations. When the Nephites and Lamanites were successful in driving them out it was through preaching the word of God and through repentance, not through focusing on the hidden ways and power structure of the gadiantons. Yes, we are supposed to study and learn as much as we can, but we will be much more accurate in discerning the truth if we spend the majority of our time focusing on the Light.

The two foci aren’t mutually exclusive. Besides, God has commanded us to wake up to a sense of our awful situation caused by the secret combination which shall be among us. You can’t keep this commandment by ignoring the issue, and certainly can’t do anything about something you are not aware of.

That may all be true. I'm not trying to justify the views and actions of Trump's far-left opposition. I find the truth is often sandwiched somewhere between the parties. What I'm trying to do is draw attention to the disparity I see between reality and perception. I feel conservatives are being blinded by wishful thinking and rhetoric, just as the left was with Obama.

Trump said things (platform related) many people of the country were waiting for someone with high visibility to say. Anne Coulter has written a book about this. This is the first step. You give people the courtesy to listen to what they have say. Trump has already fulfilled or his trying to fulfill many of his campaign promises . . . in an almost unprecedented fashion. So already he has removed himself from your critique.

Your critique really won’t be valid until Trump goes way off track in keeping his promises, and doesn’t stay the course. Of course you can feel what you want about conservatives. What is happening has more to do with Trump giving a voice to the great number of people who did not like where the country was heading. If Trump stumbles before the direction can be substantially righted, the people in his movement will still be here and will look for another ‘champion’.

[larsenb]

Someone else pointed this out a while ago and I meant to post in agreement, because I had the same impression last year. So, I'll add this here.

This description of Morianton from the book of Ether makes me think of Pres. Trump.

Ether 10:9-11

Mortianton gathered together an 'army of outcasts' and 'went forth and gave battle unto the p0eople; and he gained power over the many cities; and t he war became exceedingly sore'. He 'gained power over all the land, and did establish himself king'Trump did gather the 'outcasts' to him, people who felt they'd been ignored by Washington' He won the election against all odds and the election was hard one and acrimonious.
And he 'eased the burden of the people, and 'gained favor in the eyes of the people'.In his first year he's undone 100's of regulations which were strangling the economy and prosperity. The liberal press and the ones who like 'business as usual' hate him, but he's still popular among the people.

'And he did do justice unto the people, but not unto himself because of his many whoredoms; wherefore he was cut off from the presence of the Lord'He's a worldly and flawed, prideful person, and by his own admission, he's not a religious man.

We shall see if this happens in the coming years.

"And it came to pass that Morianton built up many cities, and the people became exceedingly rich under his reign, both in buildings, and in gold and silver,' grain flocks herds, etc.

I think there is some similarity between the description of the Morianton story and Trump.

But here's where I think it falls down: I don't see that Trump gave "battle to the people". I see him giving battle to those among us who are trying to turn the country on its head and essentially destroy it. And he certainly has not established himself as king, nor will he attempt to stay in office beyond what is allowed and voted on.

And I don't see him involved in "many whoredoms". Is all the truth and information in about his alleged involvement with a porn star 11-12 years ago? I've seen a lot of allegations thrown at him, but they seem to disappear and turn out to have no substance. Daniels, the alleged porn star, vehemently denies the 'affair' or receiving any payment.

Also, I've read his replies about his religious connection, and he has clearly explained the connection, which he says is real. We went over and over this on this forum during the earlier part of the campaign. I doubt someone like Morianton would apologize to his family and the world for some locker room talk he was entrapped into saying . . . something that happened 12-13 years previously. Trump did apologize.

I personally think it is a mistake to assume and broadcast slanderous allegations about someone, when we really can't know all the private details of the person's life.

[LatterDayLizard]

Your critique really won’t be valid until Trump goes way off track in keeping his promises, and doesn’t stay the course.

Time will tell.

I'm less worried about who is right about Pres Trump than I am about good people, especially LDS, forgetting who we are in the blush of political gains. I spoke up because I was reading disturbing things from some who admire Trump's crassness. Following his example is no way to follow Christ. We can all feel differently about Trump so long as we follow Christ in all things, times, and places.

Note on the birther argument:
Obama's mother was a US citizen, which makes Obama a US citizen regardless of where he was born, thus making the entire debate irrelevant. I can show you the portion of immigration law which makes this clear if you're interested. I have family who work in immigration; it was their job to know this, so I knew the truth very early on. Maybe if it was a fake and the real one showed his mother was not a citizen, but then that was not the argument being made. This is an example of misinformation leading to a frenzy of false assumptions, which only serves to give actual legitimate conspiracies cover.

[larsenb]

Your critique really won’t be valid until Trump goes way off track in keeping his promises, and doesn’t stay the course.

Time will tell.

I'm less worried about who is right about Pres Trump than I am about good people, especially LDS, forgetting who we are in the blush of political gains. I spoke up because I was reading disturbing things from some who admire Trump's crassness. Following his example is no way to follow Christ. We can all feel differently about Trump so long as we follow Christ in all things, times, and places.

Note on the birther argument:
Obama's mother was a US citizen, which makes Obama a US citizen regardless of where he was born, thus making the entire debate irrelevant. I can show you the portion of immigration law which makes this clear if you're interested. I have family who work in immigration; it was their job to know this, so I knew the truth very early on. Maybe if it was a fake and the real one showed his mother was not a citizen, but then that was not the argument being made. This is an example of misinformation leading to a frenzy of false assumptions, which only serves to give actual legitimate conspiracies cover.

Right. Time will tell. That’s how most Trump supporters feel. So far, they are not greatly disappointed.

However, you are apparently in the camp that didn’t want to give Trump a chance, despite his platform. Your give away is: “I’m less worried about who is right about Pres Trump than I am about good people”. I.e, Trump is not in your black-and-white, ‘good’ category.

And I would suggest that your interpretation of people defending Trump’s “crassness”, has more to do with being upset by people who admire Trump’s willingness to call a spade a spade. His lack of adherence to PC ‘requirements’. He can be a bit crude. But now we’re talking more about style over substance.

Also, I'm not sure following Christ includes extreme judgement of others, or being willing to believe all the dirt we hear about them.

Regarding Obama, the real problem was centered on exactly what ‘natural born citizen’ means, which is a requirement for our US Presidents. There is actually quite a dispute about this phrase, which has not been settled by higher courts. Many contend, going along with earlier definitions, that it means having been born in the USA with at least one parent being a citizen; not necessarily born anywhere of a woman who is a US citizen. Pursuant to this dispute, people wanted to see Obama’s birth certificate . . . if he could produce one.

At least two have appeared, w/one of them showing he was born in Kenya. The last of these was produced by Obama from the White House, which I firmly believe has shown to be a fraud.

Then you have a lot of strange stuff going on with Obama and his mother in Indonesia, indicating from certain evidence, Obama was or became a citizen of Indonesia going by a different name, Barry Soetero; and even officially becoming a Muslim. And there is other evidence this is true. Additionally, you have the apparent fact that he has had many Selective Service and/or Social Security numbers.

All of this evidence, and more, strongly indicates Barry has a very checkered background, which he has fraudulently misrepresented. This alone, if he had been properly vetted, would have kept him from running for the Senate or the Presidency.

[Fiannan]

[Chip]

...Note on the birther argument:
Obama's mother was a US citizen, which makes Obama a US citizen regardless of where he was born, thus making the entire debate irrelevant. I can show you the portion of immigration law which makes this clear if you're interested. I have family who work in immigration; it was their job to know this, so I knew the truth very early on. Maybe if it was a fake and the real one showed his mother was not a citizen, but then that was not the argument being made. This is an example of misinformation leading to a frenzy of false assumptions, which only serves to give actual legitimate conspiracies cover.

Nonetheless, Obama spent millions of dollars keeping his history secret.

I think what was being kept secret was that he was here as an Indonesian citizen receiving foreign student aid during his college years.

[AI2.0]

Someone else pointed this out a while ago and I meant to post in agreement, because I had the same impression last year. So, I'll add this here.

This description of Morianton from the book of Ether makes me think of Pres. Trump.

Ether 10:9-11

Mortianton gathered together an 'army of outcasts' and 'went forth and gave battle unto the p0eople; and he gained power over the many cities; and t he war became exceedingly sore'. He 'gained power over all the land, and did establish himself king'Trump did gather the 'outcasts' to him, people who felt they'd been ignored by Washington' He won the election against all odds and the election was hard one and acrimonious.
And he 'eased the burden of the people, and 'gained favor in the eyes of the people'.In his first year he's undone 100's of regulations which were strangling the economy and prosperity. The liberal press and the ones who like 'business as usual' hate him, but he's still popular among the people.

'And he did do justice unto the people, but not unto himself because of his many whoredoms; wherefore he was cut off from the presence of the Lord'He's a worldly and flawed, prideful person, and by his own admission, he's not a religious man.

We shall see if this happens in the coming years.

"And it came to pass that Morianton built up many cities, and the people became exceedingly rich under his reign, both in buildings, and in gold and silver,' grain flocks herds, etc.

I think there is some similarity between the description of the Morianton story and Trump.

But here's where I think it falls down: I don't see that Trump gave "battle to the people". I see him giving battle to those among us who are trying to turn the country on its head and essentially destroy it. And he certainly has not established himself as king, nor will he attempt to stay in office beyond what is allowed and voted on.

And I don't see him involved in "many whoredoms". Is all the truth and information in about his alleged involvement with a porn star 11-12 years ago? I've seen a lot of allegations thrown at him, but they seem to disappear and turn out to have no substance. Daniels, the alleged porn star, vehemently denies the 'affair' or receiving any payment.

Also, I've read his replies about his religious connection, and he has clearly explained the connection, which he says is real. We went over and over this on this forum during the earlier part of the campaign. I doubt someone like Morianton would apologize to his family and the world for some locker room talk he was entrapped into saying . . . something that happened 12-13 years previously. Trump did apologize.

I personally think it is a mistake to assume and broadcast slanderous allegations about someone, when we really can't know all the private details of the person's life.

Pres. Trump's past is no secret, he's on his third wife and he was not faithful to his two other wives. He's lived a very worldly life--an irreligious life. That's what I was referring to, I don't believe most of the garbage they try to claim about him. I wasn't even thinking of the most recent allegations--I'm sure they are false, so please don't imply that I was being slanderous, i'm referring to the details of his life which he's made public, and those can be called 'whoredoms'. Adultery is a whoredom.

Morianton didn't declare himself King, the People did. And frankly, during the Primary, I felt embattled, even though I was a republican, I felt we were warring within our own party. More than any other election, I felt Trump did make it feel like it was a battle, against the other candidates and their supporters. But if you don't see it, that's fine.

I'm not a literalist. I didn't need the description of Morianton to fit perfectly, I simply felt impressed that there was similarity in the description and thought to share it.

That said, while I didn't vote for Pres. Trump, he's our President and deserves our respect and support. I'm very happy with how he's overturned so many regulations and the tax reform was a good start. I'm also grateful that he supported the overturning of the Obamacare mandate. I hope he can do more. I fully support his efforts to help turn the country around economically. But, I don't put my head in the sand and ignore his faults, which are mostly character flaws; he's proud and can be crass. But, he's being pummeled on all sides. he's up against a vicious left leaning media and a Democrat party who's goal is to impeach him, no matter what it takes. I hope he can be victorious over them and I hope he can continue to fix roll back the mess Pres. Obama got us in and put some good judges in to our Federal courts and clean house of the corruption that has infected so much of our Federal Govt.

[larsenb]

. . . . Pres. Trump's past is no secret, he's on his third wife and he was not faithful to his two other wives. He's lived a very worldly life--an irreligious life. That's what I was referring to, I don't believe most of the garbage they try to claim about him. I wasn't even thinking of the most recent allegations--I'm sure they are false, so please don't imply that I was being slanderous, i'm referring to the details of his life which he's made public, and those can be called 'whoredoms'. Adultery is a whoredom.

Morianton didn't declare himself King, the People did. And frankly, during the Primary, I felt embattled, even though I was a republican, I felt we were warring within our own party. More than any other election, I felt Trump did make it feel like it was a battle, against the other candidates and their supporters. But if you don't see it, that's fine.

I'm not a literalist. I didn't need the description of Morianton to fit perfectly, I simply felt impressed that there was similarity in the description and thought to share it.

That said, while I didn't vote for Pres. Trump, he's our President and deserves our respect and support. I'm very happy with how he's overturned so many regulations and the tax reform was a good start. I'm also grateful that he supported the overturning of the Obamacare mandate. I hope he can do more. I fully support his efforts to help turn the country around economically. But, I don't put my head in the sand and ignore his faults, which are mostly character flaws; he's proud and can be crass. But, he's being pummeled on all sides. he's up against a vicious left leaning media and a Democrat party who's goal is to impeach him, no matter what it takes. I hope he can be victorious over them and I hope he can continue to fix roll back the mess Pres. Obama got us in and put some good judges in to our Federal courts and clean house of the corruption that has infected so much of our Federal Govt.

I personally know nothing about the circumstances surrounding Trump’s divorces. So you’re saying he has discussed his adulterous affairs to the world? What an odd thing to do.

And I know none of the details about his true, inner religious life, not being privy to them at all. But I am acquainted with how he has described his religious life and I was personally impressed by what he had to say . . . which fits his general attempts to bring religious observance back in our public life, and ramp up religious freedom.

And I just showed you where the Morianton analogy doesn’t hold, which I felt impressed to do. Nothing more.

And yes, we are warring within the party. Why? Because there really is a war going on within our social and political culture. Trump gets the heat for this, because he’s the first to really join the battle with such a frontal assault against the ‘deep state’ and globalists agenda.

This why the Left, Rhino types and the MSM and their supporters, hate the man. This is the reason behind the incessant Trump/Russia collusion drumbeat, etc., etc.

Trump does speak his mind, and often off the cuff; part of his direct style; which is mostly refreshing to someone like me, but occasionally embarrassing. Trump lacks a protective mask, spending little effort putting on a front like so many people, especially our politicians.

And curiously, I voted for Trump for the very reasons you’ve enumerated. But I counted about 30 additional Trump platform agenda items that really appealed to me. That is why I voted for him.

Luckily, I wasn’t handicapped by knowing anything about his alleged immoral lifestyle and all the dirt heaped on his head. People who have known him for decades claim these allegations are greatly exaggerated. I’ve looked into enough of them, finding them generally overdrawn or outright misrepresentations, to make me believe these people.

[Fiannan]

I personally know nothing about the circumstances surrounding Trump’s divorces. So you’re saying he has discussed his adulterous affairs to the world? What an odd thing to do.

Trump has led a very exposed life for years. To be honest, I really thought this would destroy any chance he had for the nomination. Yet he seems not to care what people say. It is all out there, so what?

What I wonder about is how many so-called conservative Republican types in politics may actually like Trump, but because someone in the "deep state" has something on them -- weird fetishes, mistresses (male or female) or even worse and thus may be unable to express their true feelings for fear of being outed.

[larsenb]

I personally know nothing about the circumstances surrounding Trump’s divorces. So you’re saying he has discussed his adulterous affairs to the world? What an odd thing to do.

Trump has led a very exposed life for years. To be honest, I really thought this would destroy any chance he had for the nomination. Yet he seems not to care what people say. It is all out there, so what?

What I wonder about is how many so-called conservative Republican types in politics may actually like Trump, but because someone in the "deep state" has something on them -- weird fetishes, mistresses (male or female) or even worse and thus may be unable to express their true feelings for fear of being outed.

This is probably the cause of some of their reluctance. But I think a lot of it has to do w/people being afraid to publicly support someone who has so much dirt heaped on him, true or not. I.e., they don't want to be associated with such an 'evil' human being. The power of slander.

[notjamesbond003.5]

There's no doubt in my mind that he is.

This is the first time in my life I've seen a huge division of the people. I never seen so many people hate a president so much to the point they have to create lies to try to overthrow him. I see so many parallels within the BOM

If Trump gets removed for some odd reason - it will be hell for America. There's no doubt that we will see very bad things come to pass.

This doesn't mean something bad cannot happen now. The Gadiantons obviously do not want him in office and they'll do anything to make that happen.

No president in my lifetime has done what he promised to do. Of course, nothing is perfect, but he's doing what he said and that is amazing to me. Everyone else was too scared (or lied) to do all the things they so-called promised, but failed to fulfill them.

When I see a person get hated for all the good things he has accomplished (as you can see so many did not clap or stand up - PRIDE), it is obvious he is doing exactly what they (Elite) don't want him to do.

Agreed.

There were several spiritually sighted Believers outside of the LDS Church that were given accurate visions showing Trump would win the General many months before the election, when we were being brainwashed my The MSM that Hilly was going to win.

Makes you wonder why none of The Brethren weren't privy to these same visions. I think I know why.

Here's a smattering of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2q5hfoDxFY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZVPcKXxa-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFfFtq1fljY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-BlKCvOkhI

njb

[notjamesbond003.5]

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Let’s not forget ol’ Reid...how was that guy ever a stake president?


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Are you sure about that ?

Njb

[BeNotDeceived]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-BlKCvOkhI

njb

Only this one was published before the election,
and now I hear her say Obama will enact Marshall Law.

[capctr]

Let’s not forget ol’ Reid...how was that guy ever a stake president?


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Are you sure about that ?

Njb
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Quite.

[Patriot16]

I'm so sorry to ruffle the feathers of all you conservatives, libertarians and conspiracists, but I don't think God causes earthquakes or hurricanes and that He also does not determine elections.

I also look askance at all of the expressions of birtherism. Established case law holds that you are a citizen if you are born outside of the U.S. and either of your parents is a citizen. I charge that birtherism with Obama is racist because none of you birthers objected to McCain's or Cruz's out-of-the-U.S births.

I'm not persuaded by any arguments that Pres. Trump is repairing America. The man gets his security briefings from on-air personalities on Fox and Infowars, is subject to temper tantrums (not a good thing for a man with his finger on the nuclear button), has demonstrated difficulty with details, is a bully, not a negotiator, has left a ton of failed businesses and stiffed business partners, picks terrible people to work for him (including lots of the Goldman Sachs globalists you conspiracists hate),and thinks there are "good Nazis." He is a catastrophe and America will be lucky just to survive him.

Patrio16

[brianj]

There were several spiritually sighted Believers outside of the LDS Church that were given accurate visions showing Trump would win the General many months before the election, when we were being brainwashed my The MSM that Hilly was going to win.

Makes you wonder why none of The Brethren weren't privy to these same visions. I think I know why.

Are you claiming that the fact that we didn't have a bunch of statements from general authorities telling us that Trump would win means those leaders didn't have inspired knowledge of what would happen? Is there some rule that general authorities aren't allowed to receive revelations without immediately communicating them to church members?

Regarding "spiritually sighted believers outside of the LDS church," I would also point out that plenty of spiritually sighted believers both inside and outside the LDS church claimed to have received visions showing that Obama would either prevent elections from taking place or refuse to accept the results of the election and not step down at the end of his term. The number of people claiming to have received visions showing that Clinton would win or that Obama would refuse to leave office leads me to doubt people claiming to receive visions of Trump winning.

[notjamesbond003.5]

Let’s not forget ol’ Reid...how was that guy ever a stake president?

Are you sure about that ?

Njb
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Quite.
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I never heard this, and thought I would have.
I know Mittens was, but Reid ?
I think he woulda been bashed more and his past Stake President position broght up more by Center Right LDS.

The most common refrain I heard from Center Right LDS folk was they wondered how Senator Reid held a Temple Recommend, but never mentioned anything about he being a Stake President.

What Stake in Zion was he President of ?

Njb

[David13]

Let’s not forget ol’ Reid...how was that guy ever a stake president?

Are you sure about that ?

Njb

Quite.
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I never heard this, and thought I would have.
I know Mittens was, but Reid ?
I think he woulda been bashed more and his past Stake President position broght up more by Center Right LDS.

The most common refrain I heard from Center Right LDS folk was they wondered how Senator Reid held a Temple Recommend, but never mentioned anything about he being a Stake President.

What Stake in Zion was he President of ?

Njb
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Maybe not Zion.
Maybe Sin City.
dc

[notjamesbond003.5]

There were several spiritually sighted Believers outside of the LDS Church that were given accurate visions showing Trump would win the General many months before the election, when we were being brainwashed my The MSM that Hilly was going to win.

Makes you wonder why none of The Brethren weren't privy to these same visions. I think I know why.

Are you claiming that the fact that we didn't have a bunch of statements from general authorities telling us that Trump would win means those leaders didn't have inspired knowledge of what would happen? Is there some rule that general authorities aren't allowed to receive revelations without immediately communicating them to church members?

Regarding "spiritually sighted believers outside of the LDS church," I would also point out that plenty of spiritually sighted believers both inside and outside the LDS church claimed to have received visions showing that Obama would either prevent elections from taking place or refuse to accept the results of the election and not step down at the end of his term. The number of people claiming to have received visions showing that Clinton would win or that Obama would refuse to leave office leads me to doubt people claiming to receive visions of Trump winning.

If you’re claiming that Obama did nothing to impede the transition of Trump taking office then you’re being disingenuous. There was contention over the Electoral College vote-that put the ENTIRE COUNTRY on edge-for several weeks.
There were protests and destruction in the streets by BLM, funded by Soros-I was at the Inaguration and saw it first hand, while Obama sat on his hands and did nothing.
Police officers being killed by paid protesters at Trump rallies, paid by the Clinton campaign.
This was the least smooth Presidentail transition in modern history, and is still continuing today w the bogus Russia Gate Investigation, hatched by Christopher Steele, a Clinton surrogate and pal of McMullen w a fake dossier claiming Melania and Donald peed on pillows w prostitutes in Russia, all proven false and dreamt up by some sick folk, and MSM still acts like the fake and phony dossier has some merit. The whole Russia Gate investigation should have been shut down at that very moment, but wasn’t.
If you don’t think the Deep State and Globalists are not after Trump-then I can’t help you.

As far as the Brethern had anyone of them had a vision like the sighted Christians that correlated w them, believe you me, they would of produced the results, claiming Divine Revelation and already started talking about how this account should be added as another Section of the D&C, with cameras rolling.

Njb

[notjamesbond003.5]

Let’s not forget ol’ Reid...how was that guy ever a stake president?

Are you sure about that ?

Njb

Quite.

I never heard this, and thought I would have.
I know Mittens was, but Reid ?
I think he woulda been bashed more and his past Stake President position broght up more by Center Right LDS.

The most common refrain I heard from Center Right LDS folk was they wondered how Senator Reid held a Temple Recommend, but never mentioned anything about he being a Stake President.

What Stake in Zion was he President of ?

Njb
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Maybe not Zion.
Maybe Sin City.
dc
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Have not found any evidence of Sen Reid being a Stake President in Vegas or anywhere.

Njb

[brianj]

If you’re claiming that Obama did nothing to impede the transition of Trump taking office then you’re being disingenuous. There was contention over the Electoral College vote-that put the ENTIRE COUNTRY on edge-for several weeks.

I said nothing of the kind. Nice try with the straw man argument, though!

You may not want to believe it, but there is a difference between impeding a transition or working against a sitting President and refusing to leave office.

As far as the Brethern had anyone of them had a vision like the sighted Christians that correlated w them, believe you me, they would of produced the results, claiming Divine Revelation and already started talking about how this account should be added as another Section of the D&C, with cameras rolling.

You seem to have an incredibly low opinion of the General Authorities. I feel sorry for you.

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If you’re claiming that Obama did nothing to impede the transition of Trump taking office then you’re being disingenuous. There was contention over the Electoral College vote-that put the ENTIRE COUNTRY on edge-for several weeks.

You may not want to believe it, but there is a difference between impeding a transition or working against a sitting President and refusing to leave office.

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Well duh, to my point the Obama Administration in collusion with Globalists and Deep State i.e. : Clinton Machine/Soros Machine gave been anxiously engaged in both, Einstein.

Re G/As ( The well paid Brethren-priests for hire) been around long enough to know The Corporation’s Modus Operandi. The current LDS Church is not what Joseph or The Lord intended-far from it.

Njb

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You may not want to believe it, but there is a difference between impeding a transition or working against a sitting President and refusing to leave office.

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Well duh, to my point the Obama Administration in collusion with Globalists and Deep State i.e. : Clinton Machine/Soros Machine gave been anxiously engaged in both, Einstein.

Re G/As ( The well paid Brethren-priests for hire) been around long enough to know The Corporation’s Modus Operandi. The current LDS Church is not what Joseph or The Lord intended-far from it.

Njb

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You may not want to believe it, but there is a difference between impeding a transition or working against a sitting President and refusing to leave office.

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Well duh, to my point the Obama Administration in collusion with Globalists and Deep State i.e. : Clinton Machine/Soros Machine gave been anxiously engaged in both, Einstein.

Re G/As ( The well paid Brethren-priests for hire) been around long enough to know The Corporation’s Modus Operandi. The current LDS Church is not what Joseph or The Lord intended-far from it.

Njb

...and you know this how? You sound more like a “bitterly disaffected, former member. One who might have left the church, but can’t leave it alone. I would bet, that on these boards: You’re nooot aloooone