Senator Jeff Flake

[lundbaek]

Senator Jeff Flake (AZ-R) has put himself in the thick of things by his verbal attacks on President Trump. I had one brief chat with Flake during his first campaign for the U.S. "House" in the year 2000 and he made it clear that principles of the US Constitution would not stand in his way. I voted for a different candidate, tom Liddy. He made a big hit with lots of LDS voters with his campaign posters/signs that had a large photo of him and his wife and several kids all dressed in white, and pushing a "family values" slogan. I was sad that so many LDS voters fell for that and were oblivious of his disdain for constitutional principles. A few years ago I had 2 occasions to call him out in public meetings for his support of of wars without a declaration of war by the U.S. Congress.

According to a friend of mine of many years who was secretary to 2 great LDS Arizona state senators who espouse the principles of the US Constitution, "Jeff Flake is now and always has been a Libertarian, although he ran as a Republican. He used to be the Executive Director of the Goldwater Institute, which is a Libertarian think tank. Libertarians support the idea of open borders. He admits to being a Libertarian if you ask him, and has never tried to hide it. Jeff Flake has never wanted a wall. He wants totally open borders and supports "free trade" with no restrictions. That's why he's always been on the wrong side of the amnesty issue. (Not to mention that his family has always used illegal immigrant seasonal help on their ranch.)".

Flake's announcement in the Senate that he will not run for re-election after his current term ends in early 2019, and that he cannot be “complicit or silent” to what the current administration is up to sounds to many the comments of a guy who realizes that he would lose his re-election bid, rather badly. Dr. Kelli Ward seems to be a solid conservative candidate for Flake's seat. Much better than Sheriff Arpaio, in my opinion. We live just a few miles from the Flakes, and I'm glad I don't live in his ward. It'd be tough for me to pretend to have any respect for him while the rest of the ward worships the ground he walks on.

[JK4Woods]

Wolf in sheeps clothing.... crept into the fold....

[larsenb]

Senator Jeff Flake (AZ-R) has put himself in the thick of things by his verbal attacks on President Trump. I had one brief chat with Flake during his first campaign for the U.S. "House" in the year 2000 and he made it clear that principles of the US Constitution would not stand in his way. I voted for a different candidate, tom Liddy. He made a big hit with lots of LDS voters with his campaign posters/signs that had a large photo of him and his wife and several kids all dressed in white, and pushing a "family values" slogan. I was sad that so many LDS voters fell for that and were oblivious of his disdain for constitutional principles. A few years ago I had 2 occasions to call him out in public meetings for his support of of wars without a declaration of war by the U.S. Congress.

According to a friend of mine of many years who was secretary to 2 great LDS Arizona state senators who espouse the principles of the US Constitution, "Jeff Flake is now and always has been a Libertarian, although he ran as a Republican. He used to be the Executive Director of the Goldwater Institute, which is a Libertarian think tank. Libertarians support the idea of open borders. He admits to being a Libertarian if you ask him, and has never tried to hide it. Jeff Flake has never wanted a wall. He wants totally open borders and supports "free trade" with no restrictions. That's why he's always been on the wrong side of the amnesty issue. (Not to mention that his family has always used illegal immigrant seasonal help on their ranch.)".

Flake's announcement in the Senate that he will not run for re-election after his current term ends in early 2019, and that he cannot be “complicit or silent” to what the current administration is up to sounds to many the comments of a guy who realizes that he would lose his re-election bid, rather badly. Dr. Kelli Ward seems to be a solid conservative candidate for Flake's seat. Much better than Sheriff Arpaio, in my opinion. We live just a few miles from the Flakes, and I'm glad I don't live in his ward. It'd be tough for me to pretend to have any respect for him while the rest of the ward worships the ground he walks on.

I think your friend is using a very narrow definition of 'libertarian', and kind of a warped one at that. Flake comes across as a semi-crypto globalist in my view. Nothing more. He also seems to be triggered by behavior that doesn't fit his rigid requirements, which doesn't seem libertarian at all.

[lundbaek]

I have suspected for sveral years that Jeff Flake was/is what LarsenB calls a "semi-crypto globalist", although I've not found any real evidence of that to my satisfaction. I don't pay all that much mind to him. His support of illegal immigration and amnesty has been enough to earn my contempt. (I am very much opposed to illegal immigration, and dumping of refugees into the U.S.A., as I view it as part of the plot to destroy our constitutional government and replace it with a centralized socialist government in preparation for submission to the planned world government, but I feel that since we Americans, in our ignorance, have allowed this to happen, we are obligated to at least accept and put up with them.).

[PaulH]

What were most of the wars about in the BOM? Liberty. The kingmen wanted a king or a dictator, to overthrow the liberty of the people. These globalist want the same thing. Flake is no different. He is a gadiantan robber out to destroy the liberty of the people. Remember Pres ETB comments, he said the BOM is current news. Read Helaman and 3rd Nephi, change the names to our current globalist politicians, its all the same.

[Buster47]

PaulH,
Expanding on your comment regarding the wars in the BOM, I would add that in most of those wars, the Lamanites were first stirred up by Nephite dissenters (traitors) and then motivated to illegally invade the Nephite lands to plunder and pillage the Nephites. If you compare the ancient dissenters (traitors) to our modern pro-illegal alien politicians and the ancient invading Lamanites to the hords of modern illegal alien Lamanites, you can see the parallels between both groups. Our politicians are traitors to the Constitutional Republic and want to convert it into a modern equivalent of a monarchy with them in positions of greater power over the entire country. The modern illegal aliens serve to consolidate governmental power for the traitors.

[lundbaek]

Further to the above 2 posts, it was FDR & Co. who provoked the Japanese to attack the American military forces in the Pacific, thus thrusting the United States into WW2. And I am concerned that certain elements in the U.S. FedGov today are provoking Russia and China to initiate war with the U.S.A. and other Western countries, although I don't know as I could make a convincing case for that yet.

As for Senator Flake, most of my opinion of him comes from the observations of others who thru their positions in state government have concluded that his failings are greater than just what I have observed. I personally cannot claim that he is a globalist or a traitor as some have claimed. His support of illegal immigration and amnesty makes no sense to me, although it seems to make sense to some of my associates and friends in the freedom battle. To me it seems that he is one of those Americans who believe that righteousness and charity include supporting initiatives, programs and legislation that force others to involuntarily contribute to the welfare of others, including illegal immigrants, and that he does not see that illegal immigration, with its devastating effects especially on our national wealth, moral fibre, and culture is contributing to making a shambles of America and will surely contribute to the further alteration of our form of government.

[Fiannan]

Flake questioning someone's patriotism who questions the media is really quite strange.

[lundbaek]

Flake questioning someone's patriotism who questions the media reminds me of Al Gore claiming that those who challenge the global warming theory are anti-American. Sounds like Flake is getting desperate to persuade others of his persuasions.

[Arenera]

Jeff Flake and Mike Lee voted no. Government is shut down. Time to relax.

[Fiannan]

Democrats would rather see servicepeople without pay than send back people here illegally.

[Fiannan]

I had my teen watch Flake's attack on Trump. She asked, "Aren't we supposed to question the media since they are the ones trying to manipulate our thoughts?" She did not like Flake and questioned his ethics. I did not mention the dude is Mormon.

[lundbaek]

It appears to me that it is the globalists who are so desperate to clutter America with refugees and illegal immigrants. I'm sure there are many globalists among both the democrats and the republicans. But I'm still not convinced that Senator Flake is a globalist, even though he seems to be supporting the globalists' efforts.

[Fiannan]

It appears to me that it is the globalists who are so desperate to clutter America with refugees and illegal immigrants. I'm sure there are many globalists among both the democrats and the republicans. But I'm still not convinced that Senator Flake is a globalist, even though he seems to be supporting the globalists' efforts.

I understand the feeling. Even knowing Annikan Skywalker was going to become Darth Vader I think we all held out hope that something would happen that he would choose otherwise.

[PaulH]

It goes back the duck analogy. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck. Then....

Flake is not a stupid person. He can't claim ignorance, that he doesn't know whats going on, that he doesn't know he furthering the globalist agenda. He has 2 choices, kingman or freeman. Based on what i am seeing, he has chosen kingman. Unfortunately, many of our elected LDS politicians appear to be kingmen. I wish I was wrong, our LDS politicians, and our LDS people should know better. We have the BOM to warn us, its in front of our faces, the evidence is overwhelming.

[PaulH]

It appears to me that it is the globalists who are so desperate to clutter America with refugees and illegal immigrants. I'm sure there are many globalists among both the democrats and the republicans. But I'm still not convinced that Senator Flake is a globalist, even though he seems to be supporting the globalists' efforts.

Lundbaek, I think you are right on track about globalist amid the democrats and republicans. This is not really a 2 party system, its one big party, the gadianton party. I think 85-90% of our politicians are in the gadianton party.

[Arenera]

It goes back the duck analogy. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck. Then....

Flake is not a stupid person. He can't claim ignorance, that he doesn't know whats going on, that he doesn't know he furthering the globalist agenda. He has 2 choices, kingman or freeman. Based on what i am seeing, he has chosen kingman. Unfortunately, many of our elected LDS politicians appear to be kingmen. I wish I was wrong, our LDS politicians, and our LDS people should know better. We have the BOM to warn us, its in front of our faces, the evidence is overwhelming.

Good thing mormons make up a small amount of US people...?

[lundbaek]

I am becoming increasingly convinced that most Mormon voters contribute to making things worse with many of their votes.

[Arenera]

I am becoming increasingly convinced that most Mormon voters contribute to making things worse with many of their votes.

This really shouldn’t be an issue or problem. 323,000,000 million in US, maybe 8,000,000 Mormons, or 2.4%.

So your message should go to all others since 2.4% won’t change anything. Except in Utah, which is 60% Mormon. But 2 Senators and 3 Congressmen won’t change anything either.

[Ezra]

I am becoming increasingly convinced that most Mormon voters contribute to making things worse with many of their votes.

This really shouldn’t be an issue or problem. 323,000,000 million in US, maybe 8,000,000 Mormons, or 2.4%.

So your message should go to all others since 2.4% won’t change anything. Except in Utah, which is 60% Mormon. But 2 Senators and 3 Congressmen won’t change anything either.

Let me be the first to tell you I am great full that your vote won’t count. That gives me hope. Please teach all lds people who you think are like minded to you that your vote doesn’t count so might as well not vote. 2 thumbs up from me!!!!!!

[Arenera]

I am becoming increasingly convinced that most Mormon voters contribute to making things worse with many of their votes.

This really shouldn’t be an issue or problem. 323,000,000 million in US, maybe 8,000,000 Mormons, or 2.4%.

So your message should go to all others since 2.4% won’t change anything. Except in Utah, which is 60% Mormon. But 2 Senators and 3 Congressmen won’t change anything either.

Let me be the first to tell you I am great full that your vote won’t count. That gives me hope. Please teach all lds people who you think are like minded to you that your vote doesn’t count so might as well not vote. 2 thumbs up from me!!!!!!

Does your vote count in Oregon?

[PressingForward]

Jeff Flake and Mike Lee voted no. Government is shut down. Time to relax.

Time to relax? While frankly our family can go without pay for some time, we know of several families that can’t and will be affected greatly due to these traitors vote. I have nothing but contempt for people who don’t support our rule of law and put illegal aliens in front of our own. Both those men are a disgrace...

[Silver]

It appears to me that it is the globalists who are so desperate to clutter America with refugees and illegal immigrants. I'm sure there are many globalists among both the democrats and the republicans. But I'm still not convinced that Senator Flake is a globalist, even though he seems to be supporting the globalists' efforts.

Lundbaek, I think you are right on track about globalist amid the democrats and republicans. This is not really a 2 party system, its one big party, the gadianton party. I think 85-90% of our politicians are in the gadianton party.

I see that you're new. You've posted some great stuff so far. The post of yours quoted above prompted me to remind you to read the great thread put together by iWriteStuff. He's a smart guy. You can read the thread by clicking on the link below.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45437&hilit=ether%27s+avenue

[Ezra]

I am becoming increasingly convinced that most Mormon voters contribute to making things worse with many of their votes.

This really shouldn’t be an issue or problem. 323,000,000 million in US, maybe 8,000,000 Mormons, or 2.4%.

So your message should go to all others since 2.4% won’t change anything. Except in Utah, which is 60% Mormon. But 2 Senators and 3 Congressmen won’t change anything either.

Let me be the first to tell you I am great full that your vote won’t count. That gives me hope. Please teach all lds people who you think are like minded to you that your vote doesn’t count so might as well not vote. 2 thumbs up from me!!!!!!

Does your vote count in Oregon?

Nope. I thank you so much for your teaching me that it doesn’t. Keep on not voting. Thank you so much.

[Ezra]

Jeff Flake and Mike Lee voted no. Government is shut down. Time to relax.

Time to relax? While frankly our family can go without pay for some time, we know of several families that can’t and will be affected greatly due to these traitors vote. I have nothing but contempt for people who don’t support our rule of law and put illegal aliens in front of our own. Both those men are a disgrace...

Be thankful that both of those men will continue to get payed.