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The Long List of Killings Committed by White Extremists Since the Oklahoma City Bombing
The death of anti-racism protester Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia on Aug. 12 is one of the most high-profile examples of white extremist violence in the United States since Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. But though not each incident makes national headlines, a tally kept by the Southern Poverty Law Center indicates that the murder of law enforcement officials and innocent civilians by race obsessives, anti-government paranoiacs, and other believers in white fringe movements has been depressingly common in the two decades since Timothy McVeigh's attack. Below (taken from SPLC's records, confirmed by outside news accounts, and supplemented with additional research) is a list of 37 deadly attacks since Oklahoma City—comprising a total of 77 victims—carried out or believed to have been carried out by white extremists.

Oct. 9, 1995. An Amtrak employee is killed when a train derails near Hyder, Arizona because the track it's traveling on has been sabotaged. The perpetrators are never found, but anti-law enforcement propaganda messages from the "Sons of Gestapo" are found near the scene.

April 12, 1996. A neo-Nazi named Larry Wayne Shoemake, who is found to have owned at least 22 firearms and an estimated 20,000 rounds of ammunition, kills a black man in a random Jackson, Mississippi attack.

July 27, 1996. A bomb set by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is affiliated with the "Christian Identity" fundamentalist movement, kills one person at the Atlanta Olympics.
Jan. 29, 1998. Another bomb set by Rudolph kills a man at a Birmingham abortion clinic.
May 29, 1998. Three militia sympathizers named Alan Pilon, Robert Mason and Jason McVean fire 29 shots at a Cortez, Colorado police officer who is trying to apprehend them because they've stolen a water truck, killing him. The three evade capture but are believed to ultimately have died in the desert wilderness surrounding the crime scene.

July 4, 1998. Several neo-Nazis murdered anti-racism activists Lin Newborn and Daniel Shersty in an ambush attack in the Las Vegas area.

Oct. 23, 1998. With his wife and children nearby, an abortion provider in Amherst, New York is shot and killed through the window of his home by James Charles Kopp.

July 1, 1999. Brothers Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams, who also have connections to the "Christian Identity" movement, kill a gay couple in Redding, California.

July 2–July 5 1999. Neo-Nazi Benjamin Nathaniel Smith kills black basketball coach Ricky Byrdsong and and a Korean graduate student and wounds nine other non-white victims in a three-day shooting spree.
Aug. 10, 1999. Neo-Nazi Buford Furrow kills a Filipino immigrant after firing 70 shots inside a Jewish community center near Los Angeles.

April 28, 2000. An unemployed immigration attorney named Richard Baumhammers who believes "non-white immigration" should be banned shoots and kills five people in the Pittsburgh area.

Sept. 15–Oct. 4, 2001. Mark Stroman, a lifelong criminal with connections to the Aryan Brotherhood, shoots three South Asian men in the Dallas area—killing two—in what he describes as revenge for 9/11.

Dec. 8, 2003. Steven Bixby kills two police officers in Abbeville, South Carolina during a dispute over the state's decision to use a 20-foot strip of the Bixbys' land to widen a highway.

May 24, 2004. Wade and Christopher Lay, a father-son pair obsessed with the 1993 government siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, kill a bank security guard in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

July 27, 2008. Jim David Adkisson shoots and kills two people during a childrens' performance of a musical at a Unitarian Univeralist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, telling police that he intended to target individuals who had voted for liberals and Democrats.

Jan. 21, 2009. Neo-Nazi Keith Luke rapes and kills an immigrant from Cape Verde in Brockton, Massachusetts, then kills a 72-year-old homeless immigrant.
April 4, 2009. Richard Andrew Poplawski, a frequent poster on the white supremacist Stormfront website who apparently believes a national "gun ban" is imminent, kills three Pittsburgh police officers.

April 25, 2009. Joshua Cartwright kills two Okaloosa County, Florida sheriff's deputies. Per a police report, Cartwright's wife says he was paranoid about the U.S. government and "extremely disturbed" by Barack Obama's election.
May 30, 2009. Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush kill a Latino man and his nine-year-old daughter in Arivaca, Arizona during a robbery intended to raise funds for the "Minutemen American Defense" group.
May 31, 2009. Scott Roeder kills Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, in the Wichita, Kansas Lutheran church where Tiller serves as an usher.
June 10, 2009. An 89-year-old white supremacist named James von Brunn kills a security guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. from point-blank range.
Feb. 18, 2010. Joseph Andrew Stack flies a plane into an Austin, Texas IRS office, killing one person.

May 20, 2010. A father-son pair named Jerry and Joseph Kane (who conduct "seminars" about how "sovereign citizens" can evade debt) kill two West Memphis, Arkansas police officers.

Sept. 26–Oct. 3, 2011. Avowed white supremacists David Joseph Pedersen and Holly Ann Grigsby kill Pedersen's father and stepmother in Washington, a man they believe is Jewish in Oregon, and a black man in California.*

Aug. 5, 2012. A white supremacist named Wade Michael Page kills six people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.

Aug. 16, 2012. "Sovereign citizen"-movement adherents Brian Smith and Kyle Joekel, who are now awaiting trial, allegedly kill two Louisiana sheriff's deputies in a trailer-park ambush.
Sept. 4, 2012. Christopher Lacy, a software engineer who lives in a rural trailer and apparently sympathizes with the "sovereign citizen" movement, shoots a California Highway Patrol officer who dies the next day.

April 13, 2014. Frazier Glenn Miller, a 73-year-old with a long history of KKK activity, kills three people in the area of a Jewish community center and Jewish retirement community in Overland Park, Kansas.

June 8, 2014. Jerad and Amanda Miller kill two police officers in a random attack at a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas, then kill a customer at a Walmart. The Millers had spent time on Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's property during protests related to Bundy's dispute with the federal government.

Sept. 12, 2014. Eric Frein allegedly shoots and kills a Pennsylvania state trooper; he's caught 48 days later after hiding from authorities in "survivalist" fashion in a rural area.
June 17, 2015. Dylann Roof murders nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

July 24, 2015. John Russell Houser, a 59-year-old man with a history of expressing extremist and anti-feminist beliefs, kills two women at a screening of the Amy Schumer comedy Trainwreck in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Nov. 27, 2015. A 57-year-old religious fanatic named Robert Lewis Dear shoots and kills three people, including a police officer, at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs.

Aug. 10, 2016. A 38-year-old Oregon man with connections to a white supremacist prison gang drove over and killed a 19-year-old black man after a sidewalk altercation in what authorities are prosecuting as a hate crime.

March 20, 2017. A 28-year-old white supremacist named James Harris Jackson stabs a 66-year-old black stranger to death in midtown Manhattan.

May 26, 2017. Two men are stabbed to death on a light-rail train in Portland, Oregon by a "known local white supremacist" named Jeremy Joseph Christian.

Aug. 12, 2017. A white supremacist named James Fields Jr. attending the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, allegedly runs over and kills an anti-racism protester.

This article has been updated to include attacks that were not mentioned in the original post.

*Correction, Feb. 15, 2017: This post originally misstated that David Joseph Pedersen and Holly Ann Grigsby had killed Grigby's father and stepmother.

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Texas shooting: 26 killed as 'deranged' gunman opens fire at his in-laws' church in Sutherland Springs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... -shooting/

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Murders By U.S. White Supremacists More Than Doubled In 2017, New Report Shows

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White supremacists in the United States killed more than twice as many people in 2017 as they did the year before, and were responsible for far more murders than domestic Islamic extremists, helping make 2017 the fifth deadliest year on record for extremist violence in America, a new report states.

The report, “Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017,” published Tuesday by the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said extremists killed 34 people last year. Twenty of those victims — or 59 percent — were killed by right-wing extremists, a designation that includes white supremacists, members of the so-called “alt-right” and “alt-lite,” and members of the anti-government militia movement.

Of the 34 people killed, 18 were murdered by white supremacists, marking a 157 percent increase over the 7 people killed by white supremacists in 2016.

That’s also double the number of people killed by domestic Islamic extremists in 2017. Nine people were killed by domestic Islamic extremists last year, according to the report, eight of whom died in a single attack in New York.

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CelestialAngel wrote: January 18th, 2018, 1:03 pm So what's the solution to stopping this?
Always the same, follow the commandments of God, live the Gospel of Christ, righteousness.

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What are the leading causes of death in the US?

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1: Heart disease
Deaths: 614,348
Rate: 192.7
Age-adjusted rate: 167.0
Percentage of total deaths: 23.4 percent

2: Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Deaths: 591,699
Rate: 185.6
Age-adjusted rate: 161.2
Percentage of total deaths: 22.5 percent

3: Chronic lower respiratory disease
Deaths: 147,101
Rate: 46.1
Age-adjusted rate: 40.5
Percentage of total deaths: 5.6 percent

4: Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Deaths: 136,053
Rate: 42.7
Age-adjusted rate: 40.5
Percentage of total deaths: 5.2 percent

5: Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
Deaths: 133,033
Rate: 41.7
Age-adjusted rate: 36.5
Percentage of total deaths: 5.1 percent

6: Alzheimer's disease
Deaths: 93,541
Rate: 29.3
Age-adjusted rate: 25.4
Percentage of total deaths: 3.6 percent

7: Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
Deaths: 76,488
Rate: 24.0
Age-adjusted rate: 20.9
Percentage of total deaths: 2.9 percent

8: Influenza and pneumonia
Deaths: 55,227
Rate: 17.3
Age-adjusted rate: 15.1
Percentage of total deaths: 2.1 percent

9: Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
Deaths: 48,146
Rate: 15.1
Age-adjusted rate: 13.2
Percentage of total deaths: 1.8 percent

10: Suicide (intentional self-harm)
Deaths: 42,773
Rate: 13.4
Age-adjusted rate: 13
Percentage of total deaths: 1.6 percent

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2016 Was the Deadliest Year on American Roads in Nearly a Decade

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New preliminary 2016 data shared Wednesday from the National Safety Council estimates that as many as 40,000 people died in motor vehicles crashes last year, a 6% rise from 2015. If those numbers bear out, it would be a 14% increase in deaths since 2014, the biggest two-year jump in more than five decades.

It also means that 2016 may have been the deadliest year on U.S. roads since 2007, the NSC says.

Crashes result in the very real cost of human life. But there are also millions more who are seriously injured—an estimated 4.6 million in 2016 according to NSC—and a financial cost to society as well. NSC estimates the cost of motor-vehicle deaths, injuries, and property damage in 2016 was $432 billion, a 12% increase from the previous year. Those costs include losses in wages and productivity, medical expenses, property damage, employer costs and administrative expenses, the NSC says.

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:45 pm Texas shooting: 26 killed as 'deranged' gunman opens fire at his in-laws' church in Sutherland Springs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... -shooting/

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Of what havoc are you speaking? The fact that terrible things are happening? Are they causing more havoc now than they did in the 90's L.A. riots? Are they causing more havoc than happened in the Watts riots? More than happened because of Mao's 50 Million to 200 Million deaths from various social experiments? More than at Auschwitz? The Black Death? The Muslim/Christian wars? The Mongol invasions? Oprah Winfrey?

Sorry if this comes across as flip, but I'm just wondering if you think tragedies are increasing or what. I noticed the first post was linked to a (no longer existent) story about Trump's "poop hole countries" (as it were) so I was also wondering if it's about him.

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:45 pm Texas shooting: 26 killed as 'deranged' gunman opens fire at his in-laws' church in Sutherland Springs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... -shooting/

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So what does him being white, American, Air Force Vet have to do with the price of tea in China?

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The Long List of Killings Committed by White Extremists Since the Oklahoma City Bombing

The death of anti-racism protester Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, Virginia on Aug. 12 is one of the most high-profile examples of white extremist violence in the United States since Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. But though not each incident makes national headlines, a tally kept by the Southern Poverty Law Center indicates that the murder of law enforcement officials and innocent civilians by race obsessives, anti-government paranoiacs, and other believers in white fringe movements has been depressingly common in the two decades since Timothy McVeigh's attack. Below (taken from SPLC's records, confirmed by outside news accounts, and supplemented with additional research) is a list of 37 deadly attacks since Oklahoma City—comprising a total of 77 victims—carried out or believed to have been carried out by white extremists.

Oct. 9, 1995. An Amtrak employee is killed when a train derails near Hyder, Arizona because the track it's traveling on has been sabotaged. The perpetrators are never found, but anti-law enforcement propaganda messages from the "Sons of Gestapo" are found near the scene.

April 12, 1996. A neo-Nazi named Larry Wayne Shoemake, who is found to have owned at least 22 firearms and an estimated 20,000 rounds of ammunition, kills a black man in a random Jackson, Mississippi attack.

July 27, 1996. A bomb set by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is affiliated with the "Christian Identity" fundamentalist movement, kills one person at the Atlanta Olympics.
Jan. 29, 1998. Another bomb set by Rudolph kills a man at a Birmingham abortion clinic.
May 29, 1998. Three militia sympathizers named Alan Pilon, Robert Mason and Jason McVean fire 29 shots at a Cortez, Colorado police officer who is trying to apprehend them because they've stolen a water truck, killing him. The three evade capture but are believed to ultimately have died in the desert wilderness surrounding the crime scene.

July 4, 1998. Several neo-Nazis murdered anti-racism activists Lin Newborn and Daniel Shersty in an ambush attack in the Las Vegas area.

Oct. 23, 1998. With his wife and children nearby, an abortion provider in Amherst, New York is shot and killed through the window of his home by James Charles Kopp.

July 1, 1999. Brothers Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams, who also have connections to the "Christian Identity" movement, kill a gay couple in Redding, California.

July 2–July 5 1999. Neo-Nazi Benjamin Nathaniel Smith kills black basketball coach Ricky Byrdsong and and a Korean graduate student and wounds nine other non-white victims in a three-day shooting spree.
Aug. 10, 1999. Neo-Nazi Buford Furrow kills a Filipino immigrant after firing 70 shots inside a Jewish community center near Los Angeles.

April 28, 2000. An unemployed immigration attorney named Richard Baumhammers who believes "non-white immigration" should be banned shoots and kills five people in the Pittsburgh area.

Sept. 15–Oct. 4, 2001. Mark Stroman, a lifelong criminal with connections to the Aryan Brotherhood, shoots three South Asian men in the Dallas area—killing two—in what he describes as revenge for 9/11.

Dec. 8, 2003. Steven Bixby kills two police officers in Abbeville, South Carolina during a dispute over the state's decision to use a 20-foot strip of the Bixbys' land to widen a highway.

May 24, 2004. Wade and Christopher Lay, a father-son pair obsessed with the 1993 government siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, kill a bank security guard in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

July 27, 2008. Jim David Adkisson shoots and kills two people during a childrens' performance of a musical at a Unitarian Univeralist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, telling police that he intended to target individuals who had voted for liberals and Democrats.

Jan. 21, 2009. Neo-Nazi Keith Luke rapes and kills an immigrant from Cape Verde in Brockton, Massachusetts, then kills a 72-year-old homeless immigrant.
April 4, 2009. Richard Andrew Poplawski, a frequent poster on the white supremacist Stormfront website who apparently believes a national "gun ban" is imminent, kills three Pittsburgh police officers.

April 25, 2009. Joshua Cartwright kills two Okaloosa County, Florida sheriff's deputies. Per a police report, Cartwright's wife says he was paranoid about the U.S. government and "extremely disturbed" by Barack Obama's election.
May 30, 2009. Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush kill a Latino man and his nine-year-old daughter in Arivaca, Arizona during a robbery intended to raise funds for the "Minutemen American Defense" group.
May 31, 2009. Scott Roeder kills Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, in the Wichita, Kansas Lutheran church where Tiller serves as an usher.
June 10, 2009. An 89-year-old white supremacist named James von Brunn kills a security guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. from point-blank range.
Feb. 18, 2010. Joseph Andrew Stack flies a plane into an Austin, Texas IRS office, killing one person.

May 20, 2010. A father-son pair named Jerry and Joseph Kane (who conduct "seminars" about how "sovereign citizens" can evade debt) kill two West Memphis, Arkansas police officers.

Sept. 26–Oct. 3, 2011. Avowed white supremacists David Joseph Pedersen and Holly Ann Grigsby kill Pedersen's father and stepmother in Washington, a man they believe is Jewish in Oregon, and a black man in California.*

Aug. 5, 2012. A white supremacist named Wade Michael Page kills six people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.

Aug. 16, 2012. "Sovereign citizen"-movement adherents Brian Smith and Kyle Joekel, who are now awaiting trial, allegedly kill two Louisiana sheriff's deputies in a trailer-park ambush.
Sept. 4, 2012. Christopher Lacy, a software engineer who lives in a rural trailer and apparently sympathizes with the "sovereign citizen" movement, shoots a California Highway Patrol officer who dies the next day.

April 13, 2014. Frazier Glenn Miller, a 73-year-old with a long history of KKK activity, kills three people in the area of a Jewish community center and Jewish retirement community in Overland Park, Kansas.

June 8, 2014. Jerad and Amanda Miller kill two police officers in a random attack at a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas, then kill a customer at a Walmart. The Millers had spent time on Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's property during protests related to Bundy's dispute with the federal government.

Sept. 12, 2014. Eric Frein allegedly shoots and kills a Pennsylvania state trooper; he's caught 48 days later after hiding from authorities in "survivalist" fashion in a rural area.
June 17, 2015. Dylann Roof murders nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

July 24, 2015. John Russell Houser, a 59-year-old man with a history of expressing extremist and anti-feminist beliefs, kills two women at a screening of the Amy Schumer comedy Trainwreck in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Nov. 27, 2015. A 57-year-old religious fanatic named Robert Lewis Dear shoots and kills three people, including a police officer, at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs.

Aug. 10, 2016. A 38-year-old Oregon man with connections to a white supremacist prison gang drove over and killed a 19-year-old black man after a sidewalk altercation in what authorities are prosecuting as a hate crime.

March 20, 2017. A 28-year-old white supremacist named James Harris Jackson stabs a 66-year-old black stranger to death in midtown Manhattan.

May 26, 2017. Two men are stabbed to death on a light-rail train in Portland, Oregon by a "known local white supremacist" named Jeremy Joseph Christian.

Aug. 12, 2017. A white supremacist named James Fields Jr. attending the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, allegedly runs over and kills an anti-racism protester.

This article has been updated to include attacks that were not mentioned in the original post.

*Correction, Feb. 15, 2017: This post originally misstated that David Joseph Pedersen and Holly Ann Grigsby had killed Grigby's father and stepmother.
White supremacists in the United States killed more than twice as many people in 2017 as they did the year before, and were responsible for far more murders than domestic Islamic extremists, helping make 2017 the fifth deadliest year on record for extremist violence in America, a new report states.

The report, “Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017,” published Tuesday by the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said extremists killed 34 people last year. Twenty of those victims — or 59 percent — were killed by right-wing extremists, a designation that includes white supremacists, members of the so-called “alt-right” and “alt-lite,” and members of the anti-government militia movement.

Of the 34 people killed, 18 were murdered by white supremacists, marking a 157 percent increase over the 7 people killed by white supremacists in 2016.

That’s also double the number of people killed by domestic Islamic extremists in 2017. Nine people were killed by domestic Islamic extremists last year, according to the report, eight of whom died in a single attack in New York.
affiliated with, believed to, associated with, designated as, suspected to be, intended to, thought, etc.--poor documenting, to say the least. And there is little to nothing that shows there is any causality, much less connection, between white supremacists and what happened.

Not sure what so-called alt-right and alt-lite, and a-gmm, have to do with white racism...

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PressingForward wrote: January 18th, 2018, 4:14 pm
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:45 pm Texas shooting: 26 killed as 'deranged' gunman opens fire at his in-laws' church in Sutherland Springs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... -shooting/

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So what does him being white, American, Air Force Vet have to do with the price of tea in China?
He wasn't an illegal immigrant.

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skmo wrote: January 18th, 2018, 3:58 pm Of what havoc are you speaking? The fact that terrible things are happening? Are they causing more havoc now than they did in the 90's L.A. riots? Are they causing more havoc than happened in the Watts riots? More than happened because of Mao's 50 Million to 200 Million deaths from various social experiments? More than at Auschwitz? The Black Death? The Muslim/Christian wars? The Mongol invasions? Oprah Winfrey?

Sorry if this comes across as flip, but I'm just wondering if you think tragedies are increasing or what. I noticed the first post was linked to a (no longer existent) story about Trump's "poop hole countries" (as it were) so I was also wondering if it's about him.
Things that are politicized seem to get more attention.

Here are the two biggest killers in the US:

1: Heart disease
Deaths: 614,348
Rate: 192.7
Age-adjusted rate: 167.0
Percentage of total deaths: 23.4 percent

2: Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Deaths: 591,699
Rate: 185.6
Age-adjusted rate: 161.2
Percentage of total deaths: 22.5 percent

Almost all heart disease deaths can be avoided by the right food. However, the food marketeers have duped people into eating bad stuff.

Most cancer can also be avoided by eating the right food.

Imagine 418,500 dying in WW2. We kill more people than that in 1 year because of heart disease.

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 5:29 pm
skmo wrote: January 18th, 2018, 3:58 pm Of what havoc are you speaking? The fact that terrible things are happening? Are they causing more havoc now than they did in the 90's L.A. riots? Are they causing more havoc than happened in the Watts riots? More than happened because of Mao's 50 Million to 200 Million deaths from various social experiments? More than at Auschwitz? The Black Death? The Muslim/Christian wars? The Mongol invasions? Oprah Winfrey?

Sorry if this comes across as flip, but I'm just wondering if you think tragedies are increasing or what. I noticed the first post was linked to a (no longer existent) story about Trump's "poop hole countries" (as it were) so I was also wondering if it's about him.
Things that are politicized seem to get more attention.

Here are the two biggest killers in the US:

1: Heart disease
Deaths: 614,348
Rate: 192.7
Age-adjusted rate: 167.0
Percentage of total deaths: 23.4 percent

2: Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Deaths: 591,699
Rate: 185.6
Age-adjusted rate: 161.2
Percentage of total deaths: 22.5 percent

Almost all heart disease deaths can be avoided by the right food. However, the food marketeers have duped people into eating bad stuff.

Most cancer can also be avoided by eating the right food.

Imagine 418,500 dying in WW2. We kill more people than that in 1 year because of heart disease.
#3 being the American Medical Association with medical errors coming in at just under 500,000 deaths. Which are completely preventable. Each year. And people think guns are a problem

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 5:29 pm
Almost all heart disease deaths can be avoided by the right food. However, the food marketeers have duped people into eating bad stuff.
I've come to realize that the Plant Paradox is like the Grand Unification Theory of Nutrition. :idea:

When Atkins quits working, you cut grains, etc. :P

Cut WGA, A2 Milk, most sweeteners, corn fattening and eat meat sparingly are it's core concepts, exactly in agreement with the Word of Wisdom. 8-) Also only eat fruits when they are in season, fits well with many parables from the bible. The media doesn't expose these truths for fear of advertisers retribution. :x

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 5:29 pm Things that are politicized seem to get more attention.
Thank you for the response. I still don't understand what this has to do with creating havoc, maybe a little further explanation?
Here are the two biggest killers in the US:

1: Heart disease
2: Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Which was the leading cause of death in the 1940's, in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, up through 2010 and likely will be this decade as well.

Prior to this it was diseases like TB, pneumonia, flu, but heart and stroke problems were high even then. However, life expectancy for adults hasn't changed much in thousands of years. The average lifespan has grown longer overall, but that's because of a HUGE drop in infant mortality. 200 years ago, it was still quite normal for people who made it to adulthood to make it to 60-80 years generally.
Almost all heart disease deaths can be avoided by the right food.
Not likely, but people who want to sell organic food and primitive food books hope a lot of people believe that. Still not quite understanding this is havoc. The Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918 caused havoc, that was the death of about 5% of the whole planet's population. However, apart from things like that, death is part of life. Eating kale and wheat grown in soil fertilized by cows rather than Dow Chemical won't make most people live to over 100 for the most part without VERY selective breeding using only people from the VERY deep end of the gene pool.
Imagine 418,500 dying in WW2. We kill more people than that in 1 year because of heart disease.
80 Million people died over the 6 years of WWII. That's over 13,333,333 in 1 year.

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skmo wrote: January 18th, 2018, 8:00 pm
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 5:29 pm Things that are politicized seem to get more attention.
Thank you for the response. I still don't understand what this has to do with creating havoc, maybe a little further explanation?
Here are the two biggest killers in the US:

1: Heart disease
2: Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Which was the leading cause of death in the 1940's, in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's, up through 2010 and likely will be this decade as well.

Prior to this it was diseases like TB, pneumonia, flu, but heart and stroke problems were high even then. However, life expectancy for adults hasn't changed much in thousands of years. The average lifespan has grown longer overall, but that's because of a HUGE drop in infant mortality. 200 years ago, it was still quite normal for people who made it to adulthood to make it to 60-80 years generally.
Almost all heart disease deaths can be avoided by the right food.
Not likely, but people who want to sell organic food and primitive food books hope a lot of people believe that. Still not quite understanding this is havoc. The Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918 caused havoc, that was the death of about 5% of the whole planet's population. However, apart from things like that, death is part of life. Eating kale and wheat grown in soil fertilized by cows rather than Dow Chemical won't make most people live to over 100 for the most part without VERY selective breeding using only people from the VERY deep end of the gene pool.
Imagine 418,500 dying in WW2. We kill more people than that in 1 year because of heart disease.
80 Million people died over the 6 years of WWII. That's over 13,333,333 in 1 year.
418,500 from US. War is bad. Go to Zion.

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 8:07 pm War is bad.
I generally agree.

About the only exceptions are war against evil, which sometimes includes the war to preserve freedom and liberty.
Go to Zion.
Here I absolutely agree.

I'm just trying to reconcile how listing evils in our society which have remained fairly consistent creates havoc above and beyond what is daily life in this world we live in.

I'm even more confused about how causes of death (we're almost all going to die of something) is tied in.

My apologies if I'm just obtuse this evening.

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Had a Seminary Teacher two Wards ago push that agenda. Even went on to say all soldiers are evil for fighting in war. Thing is, the class had 90% of the kids Parents military affiliated. Either active duty, prior service, or retired. Two kids left immediately after the statement, by weeks end there were only two kids reluctantly attending. That Sunday had the Stake President there by Third hour due to the uproar. The next day, Monday, there was a new Seminary Teacher.

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Arenera wrote: *Long, multiple long lists of murders which happen all over*

What are the leading causes of death in the US?

War is bad.
Is there some kind of Zen path I need to know of to follow this to lead me to havoc? Are you simply saying death causes havoc? There is something important enough for you to have started a topic on this, if I'm missing a Sword of Damocles hint to understand the goal, please help me.
Things that are politicized seem to get more attention.
Now here you really lost me. It's like I'm having a discussion about how to plant a good garden (something I'm excited to be doing this year) and someone posted a comment that said profanity among youth is on the rise. Yes, politicized things get more attention. Yes, kids are swearing more. I admit, I'm spotty on how often I post and there are only a few people about whom I know enough to believe an axe is being ground (Silver hates Trump, Flagg hates the LDS Church for City Creek, Fiannan frequents sex topics - although I believe he has a professional angle- ) so if I'm missing something there that would make more sense.

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I know one of the highest causes of death in the US is Car Accidents.

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 5:24 pm
PressingForward wrote: January 18th, 2018, 4:14 pm
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:45 pm Texas shooting: 26 killed as 'deranged' gunman opens fire at his in-laws' church in Sutherland Springs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... -shooting/

White, American, US Air Force Veteran. And crazy.
So what does him being white, American, Air Force Vet have to do with the price of tea in China?
He wasn't an illegal immigrant.
Is this the angle I'm missing? Is it worse because he's white? Is it better because he's white?

Are you an "immigrants are loathing and should be thrown into the ocean" person? Are you a "immigrants need teddy bears and Kool-Aid in the Relief Society Room" person? Now that I look back, a lot of the killings pointed out KKK or white supremacy stuff. If that's the case, your list is missing a lot:

Race:
My race, Native Americans are WAY out in front for suicide, and I'd guess rape as well. I'm certain it is with underage rape.
Blacks are murdering each other WAY more than anyone else.

Gender:
Women are more likely to attempt suicide.
Men are more likely to die from suicide (I'll skip the obligatory "If you want something done right" joke)

Religion:
Historically more people have been killed in wars in the name of a god than any other cause.
Currently more people are killed in the name of Allah than any other god.

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As I go back and look at some of the other posts together now, I guess I've missed an anger-fest somewhere. (Not saying it's you, I'm s+aying it happened somewhere.) Okay, this makes more sense now. Well, your comments alone to me don't, but the discussion as a whole does. That's not meant as a criticism toward you, but I think you made some assumptions about me and about my inquiry. Sometimes my educator nature gets poked, and "havoc" caught me up.

I think I'll amend one of your pieces of advice to me as my (likely) last thought. You said "Go to Zion" but as a frustrated lexicologist who weeps o'er the demise of much of our vocabulary, I see "Zion" too often used to mean different things. I'll go with a phrase I like from Español, Vaya con dios:

Go with God. I always liked that.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/19/la ... eriff.html

58 people were gunned down by Paddock. On his computer was also child porn.
Friday’s report said Stephen Paddock bought nearly double the number of firearms in the year leading up to the attack that he'd bought in the 24 years after his first gun purchase in 1982.

“From 1982 through September of 2016, Paddock purchased 29 firearms. These purchases consisted of handguns, shotguns and one rifle,” it read. “From October 2016 through September 2017, Paddock purchased over 55 firearms."

It continued: "Most of the firearms purchased from 2016 through 2017 were rifles in various calibers along with over 100 firearm related items through numerous retailers. The firearm-related items included scopes, cases, bump stocks and ammunition."
A strange white dude.

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Durzan wrote: January 19th, 2018, 3:19 pm I know one of the highest causes of death in the US is Car Accidents.
Well, not really, when you consider how many miles Americans get in a year. Figure the number of cars, and the average is maybe 12,000 miles per car? That's the usual amount, some do less, some a lot more, but I think the usual standard is 12,000 miles a year.

That's' a whole lot of traveling.

And last year the total number got over 40,000 for the first time in ten years. But. And that's a big but. Check out the numbers from previous years, like the 60s and 70s.

Anyway it's far less than medical malpractice, or just general garden variety medical, gone wrong.

And far less than a lot of other things.
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skmo wrote: January 19th, 2018, 3:43 pm
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 5:24 pm
PressingForward wrote: January 18th, 2018, 4:14 pm
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:45 pm Texas shooting: 26 killed as 'deranged' gunman opens fire at his in-laws' church in Sutherland Springs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11 ... -shooting/

White, American, US Air Force Veteran. And crazy.
So what does him being white, American, Air Force Vet have to do with the price of tea in China?
He wasn't an illegal immigrant.
Is this the angle I'm missing? Is it worse because he's white? Is it better because he's white?

Are you an "immigrants are loathing and should be thrown into the ocean" person? Are you a "immigrants need teddy bears and Kool-Aid in the Relief Society Room" person? Now that I look back, a lot of the killings pointed out KKK or white supremacy stuff. If that's the case, your list is missing a lot:

Race:
My race, Native Americans are WAY out in front for suicide, and I'd guess rape as well. I'm certain it is with underage rape.
Blacks are murdering each other WAY more than anyone else.

Gender:
Women are more likely to attempt suicide.
Men are more likely to die from suicide (I'll skip the obligatory "If you want something done right" joke)

Religion:
Historically more people have been killed in wars in the name of a god than any other cause.
Currently more people are killed in the name of Allah than any other god.

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As I go back and look at some of the other posts together now, I guess I've missed an anger-fest somewhere. (Not saying it's you, I'm s+aying it happened somewhere.) Okay, this makes more sense now. Well, your comments alone to me don't, but the discussion as a whole does. That's not meant as a criticism toward you, but I think you made some assumptions about me and about my inquiry. Sometimes my educator nature gets poked, and "havoc" caught me up.

I think I'll amend one of your pieces of advice to me as my (likely) last thought. You said "Go to Zion" but as a frustrated lexicologist who weeps o'er the demise of much of our vocabulary, I see "Zion" too often used to mean different things. I'll go with a phrase I like from Español, Vaya con dios:

Go with God. I always liked that.

A phrase from Espanol? I thought that was an old Les Paul Mary Ford song from the 40s or 50s.

I guess it's good you skipped the 'if you want something done right ...' part. I guess.

But I think the real issue there is women and men approach suicide or depression or whatever differently.

I think men look at it as way out, a real end to it, and thus they are serious with it. And do it right.
Whereas women on the other hand use it as a cry for help. A way of getting attention.

Of course that's a gross generalization, but it just emphasizes the fact or truth that men and women are different, and were made that way, and were meant that way, and that other than in very minor instances there cannot be any "equality".

But then, I don't really think there should be. Man and woman are meant to be complementary or to fit together as two pieces of a puzzle rather than equals.
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CelestialAngel wrote: January 19th, 2018, 4:23 pm Do you have a list of all the people Muslims have killed?
We tend to focus on all the Westerners (Europe and U.S.) Islamic fundamentalists kill, but they also do kill a large number from all over the world. However, care to guess which group make up the majority of victims of Muslim terrorists?

Other Muslims!

In the West, Christians or non-denominational targets lead the list for Jihadists, but in many other parts of the world it is mostly other Muslims who are killed.

It's not religion that is a primary motivator: It's hate. Religion is a justification

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