Knucklehead Republicans and those who vote for them

[Silver]

Your freedoms are being voted away from you one at a time. And most of you sit there and take it or, worse, continue to vote for Republicans.

The Patriot Act: Thanks, Republicans
The NDAA of 2012: Thanks, Republicans

And you justify voting for the slavery of your children by saying, "Well, I couldn't vote for Hillary or the Democrats."

http://www.zdnet.com/article/here-are-t ... sa-spying/

These are the House members who voted to extend NSA spying and reject privacy reforms

Zack Whittaker
By Zack Whittaker for Zero Day | January 11, 2018 -- 22:46 GMT (14:46 PST) | Topic: Security

Bad news if you're an American who values your privacy.

A total of 256 members of the House of Representatives voted this morning to expand the government's surveillance powers, ignoring widespread support for reform.

A roll call posted after the vote shows that breaks down to 191 Republicans and 65 Democrats.

The vote came to a head after years of debate over the US' surveillance and intelligence-gathering capability, largely brought to light after the Edward Snowden disclosures in 2013. The so-called "crown jewels" of the intelligence community's powers, section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, are set to expire next week after an earlier deadline of December 31 was pushed back, forcing lawmakers to act to extend the National Security Agency's legal authority to spy on foreigners overseas.

Section 702 allows the NSA to gather intelligence on foreigners overseas by collecting data from chokepoints where fiber optic cables owned by telecom giants enter the US.

But the collection also incidentally sweeps up large amounts of data on countless Americans, who are constitutionally protected from warrantless surveillance. Event though section 702 explicitly prohibits the targeting of Americans, the intelligence community can then search those messages without a warrant.

Here's the full list of congresspeople who voted to pass the bill, sans those who are retiring, just in case you want to vote against them later this year when they're up for re-election.

RALPH LEE ABRAHAM (LA-5TH)
ROBERT B. ADERHOLT (AL-4TH)
PETE AGUILAR (CA-31ST)
RICK W. ALLEN (GA-12TH)
MARK E. AMODEI (NV-2D)
JODEY C. ARRINGTON (TX-19TH)
DON BACON (NE-2D)
JIM BANKS (IN-3D)
LOU BARLETTA (PA-11TH)
ANDY BARR (KY-6TH)
AMI BERA (CA-7TH)
JACK BERGMAN (MI-1ST)
GUS M. BILIRAKIS (FL-12TH)
MIKE BISHOP (MI-8TH)
SANFORD D. BISHOP (GA-2D)
LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER (DE-AT LARGE)
MIKE BOST (IL-12TH)
BRENDAN F. BOYLE (PA-13TH)
KEVIN BRADY (TX-8TH)
JIM BRIDENSTINE (OK-1ST)
MO BROOKS (AL-5TH)
SUSAN W. BROOKS (IN-5TH)
ANTHONY G. BROWN (MD-4TH)
JULIA BROWNLEY (CA-26TH)
VERN BUCHANAN (FL-16TH)
LARRY BUCSHON (IN-8TH)
CHERI BUSTOS (IL-17TH)
BRADLEY BYRNE (AL-1ST)
KEN CALVERT (CA-42D)
ANDRÉ CARSON (IN-7TH)
EARL L. "BUDDY" CARTER (GA-1ST)
JOHN R. CARTER (TX-31ST)
MATT CARTWRIGHT (PA-17TH)
KATHY CASTOR (FL-14TH)
STEVE CHABOT (OH-1ST)
LIZ CHENEY (WY-AT LARGE)
JAMES E. CLYBURN (SC-6TH)
MIKE COFFMAN (CO-6TH)
TOM COLE (OK-4TH)
CHRIS COLLINS (NY-27TH)
DOUG COLLINS (GA-9TH)
JAMES COMER (KY-1ST)
BARBARA COMSTOCK (VA-10TH)
K. MICHAEL CONAWAY (TX-11TH)
PAUL COOK (CA-8TH)
JIM COOPER (TN-5TH)
JIM COSTA (CA-16TH)
RYAN A. COSTELLO (PA-6TH)
KEVIN CRAMER (ND-AT LARGE)
ERIC A. "RICK" CRAWFORD (AR-1ST)
CHARLIE CRIST (FL-13TH)
HENRY CUELLAR (TX-28TH)
JOHN ABNEY CULBERSON (TX-7TH)
CARLOS CURBELO (FL-26TH)
JOHN R. CURTIS (UT-3D)
RODNEY DAVIS (IL-13TH)
VAL BUTLER DEMINGS (FL-10TH)
JEFF DENHAM (CA-10TH)
RON DESANTIS (FL-6TH)
SCOTT DESJARLAIS (TN-4TH)
THEODORE E. DEUTCH (FL-22D)
MARIO DIAZ-BALART (FL-25TH)
DANIEL M. DONOVAN (NY-11TH)
NEAL P. DUNN (FL-2D)
RON ESTES (KS-4TH)
JOHN J. FASO (NY-19TH)
DREW FERGUSON (GA-3D)
BRIAN K. FITZPATRICK (PA-8TH)
CHARLES J. "CHUCK" FLEISCHMANN (TN-3D)
BILL FLORES (TX-17TH)
JEFF FORTENBERRY (NE-1ST)
BILL FOSTER (IL-11TH)
VIRGINIA FOXX (NC-5TH)
LOIS FRANKEL (FL-21ST)
RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN (NJ-11TH)
MATT GAETZ (FL-1ST)
MIKE GALLAGHER (WI-8TH)
JOHN GARAMENDI (CA-3D)
GREG GIANFORTE (MT-AT LARGE)
BOB GIBBS (OH-7TH)
JOSH GOTTHEIMER (NJ-5TH)
TREY GOWDY (SC-4TH)
KAY GRANGER (TX-12TH)
SAM GRAVES (MO-6TH)
TOM GRAVES (GA-14TH)
GLENN GROTHMAN (WI-6TH)
BRETT GUTHRIE (KY-2D)
KAREN C. HANDEL (GA-6TH)
VICKY HARTZLER (MO-4TH)
JODY B. HICE (GA-10TH)
BRIAN HIGGINS (NY-26TH)
CLAY HIGGINS (LA-3D)
J. FRENCH HILL (AR-2D)
JAMES A. HIMES (CT-4TH)
GEORGE HOLDING (NC-2D)
TREY HOLLINGSWORTH (IN-9TH)
STENY H. HOYER (MD-5TH)
RICHARD HUDSON (NC-8TH)
BILL HUIZENGA (MI-2D)
RANDY HULTGREN (IL-14TH)
DUNCAN HUNTER (CA-50TH)
WILL HURD (TX-23D)
DARRELL E. ISSA (CA-49TH)
EVAN H. JENKINS (WV-3D)
BILL JOHNSON (OH-6TH)
MIKE JOHNSON (LA-4TH)
DAVID P. JOYCE (OH-14TH)
JOHN KATKO (NY-24TH)
WILLIAM R. KEATING (MA-9TH)
MIKE KELLY (PA-3D)
TRENT KELLY (MS-1ST)
STEVE KING (IA-4TH)
PETER T. KING (NY-2D)
ADAM KINZINGER (IL-16TH)
STEPHEN KNIGHT (CA-25TH)
RAJA KRISHNAMOORTHI (IL-8TH)
ANN M. KUSTER (NH-2D)
DAVID KUSTOFF (TN-8TH)
DARIN LAHOOD (IL-18TH)
DOUG LAMALFA (CA-1ST)
DOUG LAMBORN (CO-5TH)
LEONARD LANCE (NJ-7TH)
JAMES R. LANGEVIN (RI-2D)
ROBERT E. LATTA (OH-5TH)
AL LAWSON (FL-5TH)
DANIEL LIPINSKI (IL-3D)
DAVID LOEBSACK (IA-2D)
BILLY LONG (MO-7TH)
MIA B. LOVE (UT-4TH)
NITA M. LOWEY (NY-17TH)
FRANK D. LUCAS (OK-3D)
BLAINE LUETKEMEYER (MO-3D)
MICHELLE LUJAN GRISHAM (NM-1ST)
THOMAS MACARTHUR (NJ-3D)
SEAN PATRICK MALONEY (NY-18TH)
KENNY MARCHANT (TX-24TH)
TOM MARINO (PA-10TH)
ROGER W. MARSHALL (KS-1ST)
BRIAN J. MAST (FL-18TH)
KEVIN MCCARTHY (CA-23D)
MICHAEL T. MCCAUL (TX-10TH)
DONALD MCEACHIN (VA-4TH)
DAVID B. MCKINLEY (WV-1ST)
CATHY MCMORRIS RODGERS (WA-5TH)
MARTHA MCSALLY (AZ-2D)
PATRICK MEEHAN (PA-7TH)
GREGORY W. MEEKS (NY-5TH)
LUKE MESSER (IN-6TH)
PAUL MITCHELL (MI-10TH)
JOHN R. MOOLENAAR (MI-4TH)
SETH MOULTON (MA-6TH)
MARKWAYNE MULLIN (OK-2D)
STEPHANIE N. MURPHY (FL-7TH)
DAN NEWHOUSE (WA-4TH)
KRISTI L. NOEM (SD-AT LARGE)
DONALD NORCROSS (NJ-1ST)
DEVIN NUNES (CA-22D)
TOM O'HALLERAN (AZ-1ST)
PETE OLSON (TX-22D)
STEVEN M. PALAZZO (MS-4TH)
GARY J. PALMER (AL-6TH)
JIMMY PANETTA (CA-20TH)
ERIK PAULSEN (MN-3D)
NANCY PELOSI (CA-12TH)
ED PERLMUTTER (CO-7TH)
SCOTT H. PETERS (CA-52D)
COLLIN C. PETERSON (MN-7TH)
ROBERT PITTENGER (NC-9TH)
BRUCE POLIQUIN (ME-2D)
BILL POSEY (FL-8TH)
MIKE QUIGLEY (IL-5TH)
JOHN RATCLIFFE (TX-4TH)
TOM REED (NY-23D)
JAMES B. RENACCI (OH-16TH)
KATHLEEN M. RICE (NY-4TH)
TOM RICE (SC-7TH)
MARTHA ROBY (AL-2D)
HAROLD ROGERS (KY-5TH)
MIKE ROGERS (AL-3D)
TODD ROKITA (IN-4TH)
FRANCIS ROONEY (FL-19TH)
THOMAS J. ROONEY (FL-17TH)
JACKY ROSEN (NV-3D)
PETER J. ROSKAM (IL-6TH)
DENNIS A. ROSS (FL-15TH)
KEITH J. ROTHFUS (PA-12TH)
DAVID ROUZER (NC-7TH)
RAUL RUIZ (CA-36TH)
DUTCH RUPPERSBERGER (MD-2D)
STEVE RUSSELL (OK-5TH)
JOHN H. RUTHERFORD (FL-4TH)
PAUL D. RYAN (WI-1ST)
ADAM B. SCHIFF (CA-28TH)
BRADLEY SCOTT SCHNEIDER (IL-10TH)
DAVID SCHWEIKERT (AZ-6TH)
AUSTIN SCOTT (GA-8TH)
DAVID SCOTT (GA-13TH)
PETE SESSIONS (TX-32D)
TERRI A. SEWELL (AL-7TH)
JOHN SHIMKUS (IL-15TH)
MICHAEL K. SIMPSON (ID-2D)
KYRSTEN SINEMA (AZ-9TH)
ALBIO SIRES (NJ-8TH)
LOUISE MCINTOSH SLAUGHTER (NY-25TH)
ADRIAN SMITH (NE-3D)
CHRISTOPHER H. SMITH (NJ-4TH)
JASON SMITH (MO-8TH)
LLOYD SMUCKER (PA-16TH)
ELISE M. STEFANIK (NY-21ST)
CHRIS STEWART (UT-2D)
STEVE STIVERS (OH-15TH)
THOMAS R. SUOZZI (NY-3D)
ERIC SWALWELL (CA-15TH)
SCOTT TAYLOR (VA-2D)
CLAUDIA TENNEY (NY-22D)
GLENN THOMPSON (PA-5TH)
MIKE THOMPSON (CA-5TH)
MAC THORNBERRY (TX-13TH)
PATRICK J. TIBERI (OH-12TH)
SCOTT R. TIPTON (CO-3D)
NORMA J. TORRES (CA-35TH)
MICHAEL R. TURNER (OH-10TH)
FRED UPTON (MI-6TH)
DAVID G. VALADAO (CA-21ST)
MARC A. VEASEY (TX-33D)
ANN WAGNER (MO-2D)
TIM WALBERG (MI-7TH)
GREG WALDEN (OR-2D)
MARK WALKER (NC-6TH)
JACKIE WALORSKI (IN-2D)
MIMI WALTERS (CA-45TH)
DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (FL-23D)
BRAD R. WENSTRUP (OH-2D)
BRUCE WESTERMAN (AR-4TH)
JOE WILSON (SC-2D)
ROBERT J. WITTMAN (VA-1ST)
STEVE WOMACK (AR-3D)
ROB WOODALL (GA-7TH)
DAVID YOUNG (IA-3D)
DON YOUNG (AK-AT LARGE)
LEE M. ZELDIN (NY-1ST)

[OCDMOM]

Don't blame me I voted Darrell Castle.

[Silver]

Don't blame me I voted Darrell Castle.

Thank you. Me too.

[Silver]

Anyway, Trump supporters, told ya. Instead of attacking me, why don't for once in your life actually dispute the points in the article below.

I know...it's hard to change your paradigm. Try harder.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... ther-obama

“Trump Isn't Another Hitler. He's Another Obama“

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:50

Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

Not a lot of people remember this, but George W Bush actually campaigned in 2000 against the interventionist foreign policy that the United States had been increasingly espousing. Far from advocating the full-scale regime change ground invasions that his administration is now infamous for, Bush frequently used the word “humble” when discussing the type of foreign policy he favored, condemning nation-building, an over-extended military, and the notion that America should be the world’s police force.

Eight years later, after hundreds of thousands of human lives had been snuffed out in Iraq and Afghanistan and an entire region horrifically destabilized, Obama campaigned against Bush’s interventionist foreign policy, edging out Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries partly because she had supported the Iraq invasion while he had condemned it. The Democrats, decrying the warmongering tendencies of the Republicans, elected a President of the United States who would see Bush’s Afghanistan and Iraq and raise him Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia, along with a tenfold increase in drone strikes. Libya collapsed into a failed state where a slave trade now runs rampant, and half a million people died in the Syrian war that Obama and US allies exponentially escalated.

Eight years later, a reality TV star and WWE Hall-of-Famer was elected President of the United States by the other half of the crowd who was sick to death of those warmongering Democrats. Trump campaigned on a non-interventionist foreign policy, saying America should fight terrorists but not enter into regime change wars with other governments. He thrashed his primary opponents as the only one willing to unequivocally condemn Bush and his actions, then won the general election partly by attacking the interventionist foreign policy of his predecessor and his opponent, and criticizing Hillary Clinton’s hawkish no-fly zone agenda in Syria.



https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default ... _obama.png

Now he’s approved the selling of arms to Ukraine to use against Russia, a dangerously hawkish move that even Obama refused to make for fear of increasing tensions with Moscow. His administration has escalated troop presence in Afghanistan and made it abundantly clear that the Pentagon has no intention of leaving Syria anytime soon despite the absence of any reasonable justification for US presence there. The CIA had ratcheted up operations in Iran six months into Trump’s presidency, shortly before the administration began running the exact same script against that country that the Obama administration ran on Libya, Syria, and Ukraine.

Maybe US presidents are limited to eight years because that’s how long it takes the public to forget everything.

In the lead-up to the November elections those of us on the left who backed third parties were promised over and over and over again by Democratic party loyalists that if Hillary Clinton failed to secure the election there’d be goose-stepping stormtroopers patrolling the streets and murdering non-whites with impunity, concentration camps for Muslims, and white supremacist extermination programs. Comparisons to Hitler went on nonstop, and anyone who failed to fall in line with the mainstream liberal narrative can attest that they were accused of aiding actual, literal Nazism on a regular basis.

A year into Trump’s presidency, and not only did the apocalyptic predictions of national genocide fail to come true, he’s not even deporting as many immigrants as Obama. He is, however, out-bombing him.

We were promised another Hitler. Instead, we got another Obama, who was himself another Bush. The march into corporatist Orwellian police state at home and globalist oligarchic hegemony abroad continues unhindered for the United States of America.

And of course that march would have continued had Hillary won as well, it just would have looked a bit different. Fewer environmental deregulations, likely catastrophic escalations against the Syrian government and possibly Russia, the exact same approaches to Iran, just as much hawkishness toward North Korea but minus the tweets about button sizes, no attempts at dismantling Obama’s corporatist healthcare plan. Not much more than that.

Nobody wants to hear this. The Democrats still want to believe that the sitting president is simultaneously a Nazi, a Kremlin secret agent, an idiot, and a lunatic, and Trump supporters want to believe that he’s a populist savior fighting to liberate the nation from the claws of the deep state. Because of their partisan blinders they will both find reasons to believe they’ve got either a savior or a traitor in the White House despite the fact that their country’s actual policy and behavior remains more or less the same.

I still sometimes get Democrats telling me that Trump is about to flip into Hitler 2.0 any minute now and start throwing non-whites into extermination camps. Whenever I point out that they were wrong about their “your choices are Hillary or Hitler” alarmism I get a bunch of them telling me “give him time”. Well he’s had time. They were wrong. They didn’t get a Nazi, they got another shitty neocon. And since the Dems have been paced into alignment with the neocons there’s no one left to oppose their agendas, which is why we’re seeing so little pushback on Trump’s Iran saber rattling.

I get Trump supporters telling me that he’s fighting the deep state, but the only way you can believe that at this point is to redefine “deep state” to mean “Democrats and their supporters,” which would actually just be more partisan bickering, which is all we’re actually seeing at this point. The only people you see pushing the collusion narrative and working for impeachment at this point are Democrats and Never-Trumpers; now that Trump has proven himself a good, compliant little boy the intelligence community has been putting its energy into the anti-detente propaganda effort to manufacture support for its new cold war escalations instead.

The MAGA crowd tells me their guy has de-escalated the Syrian situation in an attempt to paint him as less pro-war than his predecessor, but that’s not even true either. Until US troops actually leave Syria, all this administration has done is kill a bunch of people (many of them civilians), occupy parts of a sovereign nation, and refuse to leave. Why are those troops still there when Syria and its allies are perfectly capable of handling any remaining traces of ISIS as they have been? No good reason, that’s for sure.

This is not the fault of the American people. The American people consistently vote against interventionist wars (as evidenced by the fact that winning presidential candidates have to campaign against them), and while they may be guilted by the tribe into flag-waving once the troops are there, they consistently say no to every request for consent for more empire-building wars. In my recent article about how the CNN/CIA narrative is running the same script for Iran as they did for Libya and Syria, most of the pushback I received was from good people who wanted to make sure I knew that they didn’t consent to military intervention, they were simply offering their support for the people of Iran.

Which is about as naive and sweet as a kid wanting to help the nice old man find his puppy. I understand you wanting to help find the puppy America, but for God’s sake please don’t get in that man’s van.

So the will of the American people has been heard loud and clear. They do not consent to more regime change wars and more military interventions. They do not want that.

Through the trickery of the mainstream media though, they are paced by fear-mongering and guilting into a reluctant, bargaining, “Well okay then…” consent which is quickly turned over into flag-waving enthusiasm because you have to support your troops, don’tchaknow? And I get that! Everyone knows a serviceman or woman; you don’t want to make them feel sad or like their life is being wasted. That’s such a tragedy! Who wants to make that conscious?

Let’s be clear, too: the troops are often from some of the finest of working and middle-class families across the States, families whose strong sense of morality about right and wrong led their young sons and daughters to make the courageous decision to enter the armed forces. These young men and women were born with the most exemplary of desires. They want to make the world a better place and they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to do so. People love these families and they love their children.

These young people really are our best new humans. They are so committed to the highest interest that they would put aside their self-interest to do so. Do you know how rare that quality is in a human? And these young people are being taken from us young, whether that be by death or by destroying their beautiful minds as they are warped by the war machine into thinking that evil is good. Taken and used to pump up the egos of a selfish few.

In a healthy culture, the highest interest would dictate the desires of these young men and women. Unfortunately, the “highest interest” which should be assessed by the will of the people, is not being heard. It is not being enacted. The will of the people has repeatedly said that it does not want to send these young people off to kill another country’s young people to shore up the share portfolios of a few cancerous beings. The will of the people consistently says no to that, but it has been corralled by a small group of bloodthirsty vampires, parasites who will happily lay any amount of young bodies to waste to win their tiny dick battles until they are finally satisfied with the amount of zeroes on their bank statements.

Spoiler alert: they never will be.

Americans talk about “seeing through the partisan @#!!$#!%” of US politics like it’s some kind of magical superpower, but it’s not. Both parties act in slightly different ways toward the exact same ends, working together like the jab-cross combination of a boxer to advance the same warmongering, corporatist oligarchic agendas, and there’s no reason to believe any of them about anything. America has two corporatist war parties who serve a plutocratic class of elites; one of them wears a cowboy hat, the other has pink hair. That’s it. That’s all you need to see to free yourself from the illusion.

Please stop attacking one another for the evils that have been inflicted on you by this small group of sociopaths, America. Stop buying into the two-party good cop/bad cop schtick that the elites use to turn urban Americans against rural Americans and turn your anger toward your real enemies.

[gradles21]

It's a shame that Ron Paul isn't our president right now.

[Silver]

It's a shame that Ron Paul isn't our president right now.

America never had a chance to vote for him because the Republican Party leadership is a bunch of cutthroat traitors. They sabotaged him and lied about him and got the media to ignore him, yet Dr. Paul still got more campaign donations from the military than all the other candidates combined. America should have listened to the guys who are tired of empire-building.

So it's rather sickening to see Romney/Trump supporters on here blather on about their guys as if they had a shred of integrity.

[TheSnail]

Republicans are doing pretty good right now, stripping Obamacare, and cutting taxes.

Let me know when democrats stop being anti-white socialists, and I'll consider voting for them.

Typically, those are the only two who have a chance of getting elected. If polls show someone else has a chance, then there are other factors to consider.

I don't think it's knuckleheaded to make the best out of that situation.

[Silver]

Republicans are doing pretty good right now, stripping Obamacare, and cutting taxes.

Let me know when democrats stop being anti-white socialists, and I'll consider voting for them.

Typically, those are the only two who have a chance of getting elected. If polls show someone else has a chance, then there are other factors to consider.

I don't think it's knuckleheaded to make the best out of that situation.

If you're trying to say that in spite of all the treachery from both major parties you're still going to vote for one of the two because you think they will make things better in this country then run, don't walk, to the nearest psychiatrist because you suffer from textbook insanity.

For example, look at item #5 at the link below. When has a Republican president or congress ever decided to eliminate the Federal Reserve since it was established in 1913? Until the Federal Reserve is gone you are a debt slave. Until it's gone, you are a sucker of the Republican Party.
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

[simpleton]

Anyway, Trump supporters, told ya. Instead of attacking me, why don't for once in your life actually dispute the points in the article below.

I know...it's hard to change your paradigm. Try harder.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... ther-obama

“Trump Isn't Another Hitler. He's Another Obama“

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:50

Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

Not a lot of people remember this, but George W Bush actually campaigned in 2000 against the interventionist foreign policy that the United States had been increasingly espousing. Far from advocating the full-scale regime change ground invasions that his administration is now infamous for, Bush frequently used the word “humble” when discussing the type of foreign policy he favored, condemning nation-building, an over-extended military, and the notion that America should be the world’s police force.

Eight years later, after hundreds of thousands of human lives had been snuffed out in Iraq and Afghanistan and an entire region horrifically destabilized, Obama campaigned against Bush’s interventionist foreign policy, edging out Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries partly because she had supported the Iraq invasion while he had condemned it. The Democrats, decrying the warmongering tendencies of the Republicans, elected a President of the United States who would see Bush’s Afghanistan and Iraq and raise him Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia, along with a tenfold increase in drone strikes. Libya collapsed into a failed state where a slave trade now runs rampant, and half a million people died in the Syrian war that Obama and US allies exponentially escalated.

Eight years later, a reality TV star and WWE Hall-of-Famer was elected President of the United States by the other half of the crowd who was sick to death of those warmongering Democrats. Trump campaigned on a non-interventionist foreign policy, saying America should fight terrorists but not enter into regime change wars with other governments. He thrashed his primary opponents as the only one willing to unequivocally condemn Bush and his actions, then won the general election partly by attacking the interventionist foreign policy of his predecessor and his opponent, and criticizing Hillary Clinton’s hawkish no-fly zone agenda in Syria.



https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default ... _obama.png

Now he’s approved the selling of arms to Ukraine to use against Russia, a dangerously hawkish move that even Obama refused to make for fear of increasing tensions with Moscow. His administration has escalated troop presence in Afghanistan and made it abundantly clear that the Pentagon has no intention of leaving Syria anytime soon despite the absence of any reasonable justification for US presence there. The CIA had ratcheted up operations in Iran six months into Trump’s presidency, shortly before the administration began running the exact same script against that country that the Obama administration ran on Libya, Syria, and Ukraine.

Maybe US presidents are limited to eight years because that’s how long it takes the public to forget everything.

In the lead-up to the November elections those of us on the left who backed third parties were promised over and over and over again by Democratic party loyalists that if Hillary Clinton failed to secure the election there’d be goose-stepping stormtroopers patrolling the streets and murdering non-whites with impunity, concentration camps for Muslims, and white supremacist extermination programs. Comparisons to Hitler went on nonstop, and anyone who failed to fall in line with the mainstream liberal narrative can attest that they were accused of aiding actual, literal Nazism on a regular basis.

A year into Trump’s presidency, and not only did the apocalyptic predictions of national genocide fail to come true, he’s not even deporting as many immigrants as Obama. He is, however, out-bombing him.

We were promised another Hitler. Instead, we got another Obama, who was himself another Bush. The march into corporatist Orwellian police state at home and globalist oligarchic hegemony abroad continues unhindered for the United States of America.

And of course that march would have continued had Hillary won as well, it just would have looked a bit different. Fewer environmental deregulations, likely catastrophic escalations against the Syrian government and possibly Russia, the exact same approaches to Iran, just as much hawkishness toward North Korea but minus the tweets about button sizes, no attempts at dismantling Obama’s corporatist healthcare plan. Not much more than that.

Nobody wants to hear this. The Democrats still want to believe that the sitting president is simultaneously a Nazi, a Kremlin secret agent, an idiot, and a lunatic, and Trump supporters want to believe that he’s a populist savior fighting to liberate the nation from the claws of the deep state. Because of their partisan blinders they will both find reasons to believe they’ve got either a savior or a traitor in the White House despite the fact that their country’s actual policy and behavior remains more or less the same.

I still sometimes get Democrats telling me that Trump is about to flip into Hitler 2.0 any minute now and start throwing non-whites into extermination camps. Whenever I point out that they were wrong about their “your choices are Hillary or Hitler” alarmism I get a bunch of them telling me “give him time”. Well he’s had time. They were wrong. They didn’t get a Nazi, they got another shitty neocon. And since the Dems have been paced into alignment with the neocons there’s no one left to oppose their agendas, which is why we’re seeing so little pushback on Trump’s Iran saber rattling.

I get Trump supporters telling me that he’s fighting the deep state, but the only way you can believe that at this point is to redefine “deep state” to mean “Democrats and their supporters,” which would actually just be more partisan bickering, which is all we’re actually seeing at this point. The only people you see pushing the collusion narrative and working for impeachment at this point are Democrats and Never-Trumpers; now that Trump has proven himself a good, compliant little boy the intelligence community has been putting its energy into the anti-detente propaganda effort to manufacture support for its new cold war escalations instead.

The MAGA crowd tells me their guy has de-escalated the Syrian situation in an attempt to paint him as less pro-war than his predecessor, but that’s not even true either. Until US troops actually leave Syria, all this administration has done is kill a bunch of people (many of them civilians), occupy parts of a sovereign nation, and refuse to leave. Why are those troops still there when Syria and its allies are perfectly capable of handling any remaining traces of ISIS as they have been? No good reason, that’s for sure.

This is not the fault of the American people. The American people consistently vote against interventionist wars (as evidenced by the fact that winning presidential candidates have to campaign against them), and while they may be guilted by the tribe into flag-waving once the troops are there, they consistently say no to every request for consent for more empire-building wars. In my recent article about how the CNN/CIA narrative is running the same script for Iran as they did for Libya and Syria, most of the pushback I received was from good people who wanted to make sure I knew that they didn’t consent to military intervention, they were simply offering their support for the people of Iran.

Which is about as naive and sweet as a kid wanting to help the nice old man find his puppy. I understand you wanting to help find the puppy America, but for God’s sake please don’t get in that man’s van.

So the will of the American people has been heard loud and clear. They do not consent to more regime change wars and more military interventions. They do not want that.

Through the trickery of the mainstream media though, they are paced by fear-mongering and guilting into a reluctant, bargaining, “Well okay then…” consent which is quickly turned over into flag-waving enthusiasm because you have to support your troops, don’tchaknow? And I get that! Everyone knows a serviceman or woman; you don’t want to make them feel sad or like their life is being wasted. That’s such a tragedy! Who wants to make that conscious?

Let’s be clear, too: the troops are often from some of the finest of working and middle-class families across the States, families whose strong sense of morality about right and wrong led their young sons and daughters to make the courageous decision to enter the armed forces. These young men and women were born with the most exemplary of desires. They want to make the world a better place and they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to do so. People love these families and they love their children.

These young people really are our best new humans. They are so committed to the highest interest that they would put aside their self-interest to do so. Do you know how rare that quality is in a human? And these young people are being taken from us young, whether that be by death or by destroying their beautiful minds as they are warped by the war machine into thinking that evil is good. Taken and used to pump up the egos of a selfish few.

In a healthy culture, the highest interest would dictate the desires of these young men and women. Unfortunately, the “highest interest” which should be assessed by the will of the people, is not being heard. It is not being enacted. The will of the people has repeatedly said that it does not want to send these young people off to kill another country’s young people to shore up the share portfolios of a few cancerous beings. The will of the people consistently says no to that, but it has been corralled by a small group of bloodthirsty vampires, parasites who will happily lay any amount of young bodies to waste to win their tiny dick battles until they are finally satisfied with the amount of zeroes on their bank statements.

Spoiler alert: they never will be.

Americans talk about “seeing through the partisan bananas” of US politics like it’s some kind of magical superpower, but it’s not. Both parties act in slightly different ways toward the exact same ends, working together like the jab-cross combination of a boxer to advance the same warmongering, corporatist oligarchic agendas, and there’s no reason to believe any of them about anything. America has two corporatist war parties who serve a plutocratic class of elites; one of them wears a cowboy hat, the other has pink hair. That’s it. That’s all you need to see to free yourself from the illusion.

Please stop attacking one another for the evils that have been inflicted on you by this small group of sociopaths, America. Stop buying into the two-party good cop/bad cop schtick that the elites use to turn urban Americans against rural Americans and turn your anger toward your real enemies.

That last paragraph said a mouthful. And hit the nail on the head. It is exactly what that " small group of elites" has been doing all along, turning Americans against Americans, "liberals" against "conservatives" and visa versa. That's what it I've always said, it does not make any difference who gets into the presidential chair, repubs or dems, they are the same rotton fruit from the same tree, just different branches. And do they ever love to stir us up against each other.
All this "terrorist" fear mongering here in America is one of the biggest scams ever perpetuated on the American people. And both parties are guilty of it and it seems the people love to have it so... "Keep us safe from the boogy man" whatever it takes....

Like Thomas Jefferson said:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies".

[TheSnail]

Republicans are doing pretty good right now, stripping Obamacare, and cutting taxes.

Let me know when democrats stop being anti-white socialists, and I'll consider voting for them.

Typically, those are the only two who have a chance of getting elected. If polls show someone else has a chance, then there are other factors to consider.

I don't think it's knuckleheaded to make the best out of that situation.

If you're trying to say that in spite of all the treachery from both major parties you're still going to vote for one of the two because you think they will make things better in this country then run, don't walk, to the nearest psychiatrist because you suffer from textbook insanity.

For example, look at item #5 at the link below. When has a Republican president or congress ever decided to eliminate the Federal Reserve since it was established in 1913? Until the Federal Reserve is gone you are a debt slave. Until it's gone, you are a sucker of the Republican Party.
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

If you don't think tax cuts and appointing Gorsuch to defend the constitution don't make the country better than electing Hillary who would have done the opposite, then you might want to resort to personal attacks because you sure won't win an argument on the facts.

[eddie]

President Trump will go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history!

[Silver]

Anyway, Trump supporters, told ya. Instead of attacking me, why don't for once in your life actually dispute the points in the article below.

I know...it's hard to change your paradigm. Try harder.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... ther-obama

“Trump Isn't Another Hitler. He's Another Obama“

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:50

Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

Not a lot of people remember this, but George W Bush actually campaigned in 2000 against the interventionist foreign policy that the United States had been increasingly espousing. Far from advocating the full-scale regime change ground invasions that his administration is now infamous for, Bush frequently used the word “humble” when discussing the type of foreign policy he favored, condemning nation-building, an over-extended military, and the notion that America should be the world’s police force.

Americans talk about “seeing through the partisan bananas” of US politics like it’s some kind of magical superpower, but it’s not. Both parties act in slightly different ways toward the exact same ends, working together like the jab-cross combination of a boxer to advance the same warmongering, corporatist oligarchic agendas, and there’s no reason to believe any of them about anything. America has two corporatist war parties who serve a plutocratic class of elites; one of them wears a cowboy hat, the other has pink hair. That’s it. That’s all you need to see to free yourself from the illusion.

Please stop attacking one another for the evils that have been inflicted on you by this small group of sociopaths, America. Stop buying into the two-party good cop/bad cop schtick that the elites use to turn urban Americans against rural Americans and turn your anger toward your real enemies.

That last paragraph said a mouthful. And hit the nail on the head. It is exactly what that " small group of elites" has been doing all along, turning Americans against Americans, "liberals" against "conservatives" and visa versa. That's what it I've always said, it does not make any difference who gets into the presidential chair, repubs or dems, they are the same rotton fruit from the same tree, just different branches. And do they ever love to stir us up against each other.
All this "terrorist" fear mongering here in America is one of the biggest scams ever perpetuated on the American people. And both parties are guilty of it and it seems the people love to have it so... "Keep us safe from the boogy man" whatever it takes....

Like Thomas Jefferson said:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies".

You are, of course, exactly right. Can you tell me please what is the difference between you and the average LDS who, in spite of all the evidence of secret combinations ruling in Washington, DC, still supports Republicans? What did it take for you to gain the understanding that you have?

[Silver]

Republicans are doing pretty good right now, stripping Obamacare, and cutting taxes.

Let me know when democrats stop being anti-white socialists, and I'll consider voting for them.

Typically, those are the only two who have a chance of getting elected. If polls show someone else has a chance, then there are other factors to consider.

I don't think it's knuckleheaded to make the best out of that situation.

If you're trying to say that in spite of all the treachery from both major parties you're still going to vote for one of the two because you think they will make things better in this country then run, don't walk, to the nearest psychiatrist because you suffer from textbook insanity.

For example, look at item #5 at the link below. When has a Republican president or congress ever decided to eliminate the Federal Reserve since it was established in 1913? Until the Federal Reserve is gone you are a debt slave. Until it's gone, you are a sucker of the Republican Party.
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

If you don't think tax cuts and appointing Gorsuch to defend the constitution don't make the country better than electing Hillary who would have done the opposite, then you might want to resort to personal attacks because you sure won't win an argument on the facts.

I know you're sincere, but you are mistaken. On taxes, if there is no accompanying reduction in spending (and there's not) the country only goes deeper in debt. Why doesn't $20+ trillion in admitted national debt bother everyone? You are a debt slave and you think a minor tax cut is going to make things better?

Even with corporate tax cuts, the wealthy will reap the greatest gains. Why? Because the wealthy now own most of the shares of the large corporations. (The top 10% of American households, as defined by total wealth, now own 84% of all stocks in 2016, according to a recent paper by NYU economist Edward N. Wolff. http://time.com/money/5054009/stock-own ... t-richest/ ) The lower and middle classes have been squeezed so tightly that their homes are the asset class with the most value -- if they still own one.

You also need to reconsider your support of Gorsuch. His first act as a Supreme was to sentence a man to death in Arkansas who was clearly undeserving of the execution. Gorsuch grew up in Washington, DC, with a mother who was a US congresswoman and an EPA (EPA!) director. Gorsuch has been eating on your dime for a long time. Just because that has become the norm, doesn't mean it's right. To call Gorsuch a conservative is to redefine the very meaning of that word.

So did you change your mind, or is that too painful for you?

[simpleton]

President Trump will go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history!

If you change just one word in your short sentence, ( well a couple more words ) then you would be correct:
" President Trump will go down as the " richest " President in history...
Now with that I most heartily concur....
All men, all presidents have their faults, their weakness , but the key is , what is it they desire? What is it they desire for their country? What are they willing to sacrifice for the service of their country? "By their fruits ye shall know them" .......

Now, unto whom is Trump beholden to? How did he get his billions? How did he build his international empire? How was he able to come out of bankruptcy however many times that he did?
I am just an outsider looking on from the outside of course, and as time goes on I make assumptions and form opinions. ( and that does not mean I am correct at all times by no means) Trumps campaign and presidency also (and I suppose because of his wealth ) is no question the most entertaining I have ever seen or heard of ....
I'll keep it short, I think Trump is beholden to the bankers, and, are the bankers our friends? Do the bankers have America's best interest at heart? Andrew Jackson sure didn't think so and he got rid of them during his presidency. And even at that time they tried multiple times to assassinate him.....
Here is an interesting quote from Jackson:
"The moment we engage in confederations, or alliances with any nation, we may from that time date the down fall of our republic."

Joseph Smith had this to say about Andrew Jackson:

On Jackson Administration,
In continuation of such noble sentiments, General Jackson, upon his ascension to the great chair of the chief magistracy, said, “As long as our government is administered for the good of the people, and is regulated by their will; as long as it secures to us the rights of person and property, liberty of conscience, and of the press, it will be worth defending; and so long as it is worth defending, a patriotic militia will cover it with an impenetrable aegis.”

"General Jackson’s administration may be denominated the acme of American glory, liberty, and prosperity; for the national debt, which in 1815, on account of the late war, was $125,000,000, and being lessened gradually, was paid up in his golden day; and preparations were made to distribute the surplus revenue among the several states; and that august patriot, to use his own words in his -farewell address, retired, leaving “a great people prosperous and happy, in the full enjoyment of liberty and peace, honored and respected by every nation in the world.” (General Smith’s Views of the Power and Policy of the Government, by Joseph Smith. Nauvoo, Illinois. Printed by John Taylor. 1844. General Smith’s Views of the Power and Policy of the Government)

Up to and through today most of our 20th century presidents ( and more especially the latter half of the century ) have buried our country in debt from continual war and social programs. And Repubs and Dems are both alike guilty. (And the "Bankers" love to have it so) And Trump is continuing that downward spiral.
Just remember actions speak much louder than political words.

[Ezra]

President Trump will go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history!

Not a history in heaven.

[Silver]

President Trump will go down as one of the greatest Presidents in history!

Not a history in heaven.

Change is hard. Even presented with the fact that the Republicans are continuing to deprive US citizens of their inalienable rights, there will still be members of the Church who support them. Frogs in pots on stoves getting hot.

The opening post of this thread names names. Paul Ryan, Romney's choice for VP, has voted to eradicate our rights. If that doesn't give pause to the blind Republican supporters, I guess nothing will. That's why it's easy to predict the newest trend in fashion: sackcloth and ashes.

[Gage]

Your post is very misleading. You are complaining about government surveillance and your freedom? The government "spies" on international calls, texts and emails to folks in foreign nations that want to come here and blow innocent civilians to pieces. So unless you are emailing a guy in Syria or Yemen, I dont think your privacy will be compromised. Now back to posting what you ate for breakfast on Facebook.

[simpleton]

Anyway, Trump supporters, told ya. Instead of attacking me, why don't for once in your life actually dispute the points in the article below.

I know...it's hard to change your paradigm. Try harder.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... ther-obama

“Trump Isn't Another Hitler. He's Another Obama“

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 01/11/2018 - 22:50

Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

Not a lot of people remember this, but George W Bush actually campaigned in 2000 against the interventionist foreign policy that the United States had been increasingly espousing. Far from advocating the full-scale regime change ground invasions that his administration is now infamous for, Bush frequently used the word “humble” when discussing the type of foreign policy he favored, condemning nation-building, an over-extended military, and the notion that America should be the world’s police force.

Americans talk about “seeing through the partisan bananas” of US politics like it’s some kind of magical superpower, but it’s not. Both parties act in slightly different ways toward the exact same ends, working together like the jab-cross combination of a boxer to advance the same warmongering, corporatist oligarchic agendas, and there’s no reason to believe any of them about anything. America has two corporatist war parties who serve a plutocratic class of elites; one of them wears a cowboy hat, the other has pink hair. That’s it. That’s all you need to see to free yourself from the illusion.

Please stop attacking one another for the evils that have been inflicted on you by this small group of sociopaths, America. Stop buying into the two-party good cop/bad cop schtick that the elites use to turn urban Americans against rural Americans and turn your anger toward your real enemies.

That last paragraph said a mouthful. And hit the nail on the head. It is exactly what that " small group of elites" has been doing all along, turning Americans against Americans, "liberals" against "conservatives" and visa versa. That's what it I've always said, it does not make any difference who gets into the presidential chair, repubs or dems, they are the same rotton fruit from the same tree, just different branches. And do they ever love to stir us up against each other.
All this "terrorist" fear mongering here in America is one of the biggest scams ever perpetuated on the American people. And both parties are guilty of it and it seems the people love to have it so... "Keep us safe from the boogy man" whatever it takes....

Like Thomas Jefferson said:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies".

You are, of course, exactly right. Can you tell me please what is the difference between you and the average LDS who, in spite of all the evidence of secret combinations ruling in Washington, DC, still supports Republicans? What did it take for you to gain the understanding that you have?

From the time that I first learned to read I have been very interested in the history of the church and our country and the relation of our church ( and Kingdom, as a separate entity ) with our country. So throughout my life i have looked at and studied that relationship and also prophecies and predictions pertaining thereto ( among many other things )
Joseph Smith was against "political parties" and up until the time the federal government (or the " horn" if you will) made war and " prevailed against the saints", ( 1880's 1890's) the saints pretty much voted as one or pretty much were united in their political views. But when the church as a whole caved in to the demands of the federal government ( and by the way , IMO, polygamy was only a very minut part of the equation as it was the political unity of the saints they were determined to destroy) and when we as a church literally divided up as Repubs and Dems in the 1890's and became " like them", that is when the "Horn Prevailed " or when the Feds backed off and most graciously "pardoned" us for our terrible unity and restored our church property that the feds had seized and also restored our rights as voting citizens that they had stripped us of. And the rest is history. Now we are just like " them" LDS repubs against LDS Dems ,and yet we are supposed to be brothers in the gospel, we are supposed to see eye to eye, we are supposed to be as one, of one heart and one mind..... We send our sons to die in all their foreign "entanglements" or unjust "Bankers Wars" all in the name of "Federal government patriotism" which I consider it to be about as diabolical as it gets,, , educate the masses into thinking that they are " being patriotic" by fighting for their country" in their ungodly monetary foreign wars.....
As Joseph stated:
"There will be two great political parties in this country.

One will be called the Republicans* and the other the Democrat party. These two parties will go to war** and out of these two parties will spring another party which will be the Independent American Party***.

The United States will spend her strength and means warring in foreign lands**** until other nations will say, 'Let's divide up the lands of the United States'. Then the people of the U.S. will unite and swear by the blood of their fore-fathers, that the land shall not be divided.

Then the country will go to war, and they will fight until one half of the U.S. army will give up, and the rest will continue to struggle.

They will keep on until they are very ragged and discouraged, and almost ready to give up - when the boys from the mountains will rush forth in time to save the American Army from defeat and ruin. And they will say, 'Brethren, we are glad you have come, give us men, henceforth, who can talk with God'. Then you will have friends, but you will save the country when it's (sic) liberty hangs by a hair, as it were."....
Is that not coming to pass or rather has not the vast majority of it come to pass? So what is left? The "planned" bankrupcy ( IMO) of this nation, which even that is happening, and, we are on the brinks of financial collapse, which when our " great Babylonian financial Empire" does collapse, ( and not a matter of "if" but "when") and when our almighty US dollar becomes worthless, then you will see the nations of the earth combine to "divide up the lands of America"....
And according to prophecy it seems that because of our wickedness, God allows that to happen or at least to clean up or sweep the this country of its wickedness, but, a remnant will be left according to prophecy, or the " more" righteous.
In my opinion, we as latter day saints have joined this Babylonian system, we have "struck hands" with them and have become like them, we are not any different at all, we are not that "shining light" on the " mountain tops" that all nations flow into. But I do believe after a cleansing that will happen.
I liken all scriptures to us, I believe that we are in the latter part of the latter days, i believe that the scriptures are givin to us as a help and as a warning. I believe we should apply all scriptures to us and not just pick and choose what pleases us and that we think just fits our narrow contracted minds...
Here is another thing in my opinion, the United States government has Never, up to this day redressed the saints, they have never restored what they have stolen at the point of bayonet, (For example in Missouri) , they have never even repented of what they did to the citizens of this republic in the wholesale driving and plundering of the LDS from the state of Missouri and Illinois much less what they did to the LDS in these mountains. They have not repented nor have they restored that which they have stolen. The only thing that actually happened is that we came around to their way of thinking,, doing business, politics, banking, wars, insurance, etc etc etc just like them.
" To your tents oh Israel" like Brigham says: the bite of the viper is much easier to heal than getting rid of the spirit of Babylon.
And that observation comes from my own personal battles with my carnal love of the " Babylonian" system..
I look for a Deliverer, a man like into Moses, A man with light for a covering, A man that has literal power from on high to rebuke nations from afar, A man that God sends, literally physically delivers God's people from a terrible mortal threat of annilation, ( like unto king Hezekiah in his day). But I also believe that He will not come until the " more righteous" cry day and night for deliverance.
So no, I do not expect anything better out of Mr Trump except more of the same, as I consider him just a puppet on the strings of the banksters like unto his predecessors.
My advice to myself and to all, ( but I am not actually worthy of giving any advice I suppose) is to clean up our own house first, or rather ourself.
This is what I consider to be going on now in our church, state and nation:
Mathew 15:
And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Especially the last verse....

[simpleton]

Your post is very misleading. You are complaining about government surveillance and your freedom? The government "spies" on international calls, texts and emails to folks in foreign nations that want to come here and blow innocent civilians to pieces. So unless you are emailing a guy in Syria or Yemen, I dont think your privacy will be compromised. Now back to posting what you ate for breakfast on Facebook.

I am curios if you really believe the above statement/paragraph or are you being sarcastic.....

[Gage]

Your post is very misleading. You are complaining about government surveillance and your freedom? The government "spies" on international calls, texts and emails to folks in foreign nations that want to come here and blow innocent civilians to pieces. So unless you are emailing a guy in Syria or Yemen, I dont think your privacy will be compromised. Now back to posting what you ate for breakfast on Facebook.

I am curios if you really believe the above statement/paragraph or are you being sarcastic.....

I believe some of it. A court order is still needed to spy on Americans, again, the law was intended to keep Americans safe and foreigners who want to harm Americans exposed. I have no problem with the NSA spying on foreigners in and out of the US.

[David13]

Don't blame me I voted Darrell Castle.

I blame you for nearly getting the Hella Beast elected.

You would have been just as effective if you had voted for the lamppost on the corner by your house.

I also blame Silver for being rather nasty in his assessment of Trump supporters, and totally false in his aspersions of them.

We all understand that the Republicans have become as much a part of the swamp as anyone else, that's why they are known as RINOs.

But it doesn't do any good in the equation to vote for the lamppost on the corner by your house, other than to help the Hella Beast in her nefarious plot.
dc

[Silver]

Don't blame me I voted Darrell Castle.

I blame you for nearly getting the Hella Beast elected.

You would have been just as effective if you had voted for the lamppost on the corner by your house.

I also blame Silver for being rather nasty in his assessment of Trump supporters, and totally false in his aspersions of them.

We all understand that the Republicans have become as much a part of the swamp as anyone else, that's why they are known as RINOs.

But it doesn't do any good in the equation to vote for the lamppost on the corner by your house, other than to help the Hella Beast in her nefarious plot.
dc

You're simply unwilling to accept that a vote for Trump is just as bad as a vote for Hillary. One day, in your sackcloth and ashes, you'll understand. I'll leave the porch light on for you. In the long run, it doesn't matter how "nasty" my comments are. Joseph Smith, Jr. taught that we should vote for good people, which Trump is not. Therefore, your argument is not really with me, but with the founding prophet of this dispensation.

[David13]

Don't blame me I voted Darrell Castle.

I blame you for nearly getting the Hella Beast elected.

You would have been just as effective if you had voted for the lamppost on the corner by your house.

I also blame Silver for being rather nasty in his assessment of Trump supporters, and totally false in his aspersions of them.

We all understand that the Republicans have become as much a part of the swamp as anyone else, that's why they are known as RINOs.

But it doesn't do any good in the equation to vote for the lamppost on the corner by your house, other than to help the Hella Beast in her nefarious plot.
dc

You're simply unwilling to accept that a vote for Trump is just as bad as a vote for Hillary. One day, in your sackcloth and ashes, you'll understand. I'll leave the porch light on for you. In the long run, it doesn't matter how "nasty" my comments are. Joseph Smith, Jr. taught that we should vote for good people, which Trump is not. Therefore, your argument is not really with me, but with the founding prophet of this dispensation.

Well, Charlie, Trump turned out to be a little better than Darrel Palace or Egg McMuffin as he got elected, didn't he.

And if you are worried about sackcloth and ashes, you're going to be there along side us, aren't you, or are you sending yourself up?
dc

[Silver]

Your post is very misleading. You are complaining about government surveillance and your freedom? The government "spies" on international calls, texts and emails to folks in foreign nations that want to come here and blow innocent civilians to pieces. So unless you are emailing a guy in Syria or Yemen, I dont think your privacy will be compromised. Now back to posting what you ate for breakfast on Facebook.

Maybe someday I'll tell you about the FBI wiretapping our home phone in 1968. Do you think things have gotten better since then? Illegal domestic surveillance happens all the time now. Whatever you think of Edward Snowden, you should at least thank him for bringing to light the abuse of the 4th amendment by the government.

[Silver]

Don't blame me I voted Darrell Castle.

I blame you for nearly getting the Hella Beast elected.

You would have been just as effective if you had voted for the lamppost on the corner by your house.

I also blame Silver for being rather nasty in his assessment of Trump supporters, and totally false in his aspersions of them.

We all understand that the Republicans have become as much a part of the swamp as anyone else, that's why they are known as RINOs.

But it doesn't do any good in the equation to vote for the lamppost on the corner by your house, other than to help the Hella Beast in her nefarious plot.
dc

You're simply unwilling to accept that a vote for Trump is just as bad as a vote for Hillary. One day, in your sackcloth and ashes, you'll understand. I'll leave the porch light on for you. In the long run, it doesn't matter how "nasty" my comments are. Joseph Smith, Jr. taught that we should vote for good people, which Trump is not. Therefore, your argument is not really with me, but with the founding prophet of this dispensation.

Well, Charlie, Trump turned out to be a little better than Darrel Palace or Egg McMuffin as he got elected, didn't he.

And if you are worried about sackcloth and ashes, you're going to be there along side us, aren't you, or are you sending yourself up?
dc

So let me get this straight...Trump is better because he got elected? By that logic then is Obama better because he got elected and Romney didn't?

I don't know what the term "sending yourself up" means. Nonetheless, in spite of all my preparations, I can't avoid the same punishment that will be meted out on all Americans.