Why the pink hats may be out???

[Crackers]

EmmaLee, I keep hoping to leave the west (Utah) in order to find more like-minded people! I hope you can find your happy place.

[Sirocco]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 023061001/

Check paragraphs 4 and 5. I noticed some Mormon women participated in these marches. Are the marchers representative of mainstream Mormon women?

Several active, recommend holding, women from our ward marched in our cities 'women's march' - wearing those stupid hats, too - and posted photos of themselves (with their children, who marched with them) on Facebook for all the world to see. The most outspoken woman among them is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric. I noticed several other active LDS women I know from states out west posted photos of themselves (and again, their children were with them, as well) marching in their cities, too. Makes me sick.

It seems one cannot avoid social justice even in a condervative church.

[Sirocco]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

I apparently "triggered" them last year after the march when I posted the Family Proclamation the same day they posted photos of themselves in their hats (with their children). They attacked me mercilessly. I was shocked at first (as I hadn't mentioned any of them, nor commented on any of their FB pages, etc.), then I found it humorous, then it made me sad for their souls. I also linked an excellent article by Walsh last year - they saw it - same reaction. The worst that can happen? I'm now black-balled in our ward. The main ring-leader of these socialists/feminists is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric and she has seen to it. It is much worse than I'm disclosing here, but that's all I'll say about it. So no, them all joining some feminist Pagan cult isn't the worst that could've happened, but whatever.

Then again I have contacts, or know people who know people, that you could forward to them so they could reach their full potential as desciples of the dark arts.
Well, thanks, but it's fairly obvious (from what I've seen/heard) that they are well on their way already - no further help, contacts, or encouragement needed.

As for being black-balled I am sure their husbands have received much worse for ever daring to disagree with them.
I could tell you a few things about some episodes in that regard that I've witnessed first-hand... As far as politically/socially though, the husbands (of the ones who are still married) are in lock-step with their socialist/feminist wives, sadly - or at least they pretend to be. The 1st counselor in our Bishopric (husband of the most militant woman), is very much an Obama/Sanders/Hillary fan and lets everyone know it. Of the other women - two have divorced their husbands in the last couple of years; another one has a very mild, introvert husband, who would never dare to speak up or against her; and the rest have complicit husbands.

And there is the problem, if these mad-mammas have such influence in your ward then they will certainly pollute the spirituality of the entire population. If there are like-minded people on your (the Lord's) side then maybe a united front and in-their-face approach is in order to counter their influences.
Yeah, that isn't going to happen, unfortunately. I know of one - ONE - other woman who believes as I do (or at least, who has admitted it to me), and she's in the other ward in our town - and she would literally rather die than speak up to anyone, let alone this loud-mouthed group. If there are other women who are troubled by what they say and do (including at church and in RS, etc.), then I sure can't tell who they are, as they hide it expertly. As for polluting the spirituality of the entire population in our ward - it's a done deal as near as I can tell. This place is a black hole, spiritually, and my husband and I are making plans to move out west soon to be by family and, hopefully, more like-minded people. 30 years of doing our best - time to move on.

I wouldn't last a day in such environment, I have come to realize I am too hard for a lot of women to control and that drives them nuts.
I donno what the ward here is like but it makes me nervous to go because of all the feminism infecting everything.
I live in Canada, feminism is everywhere.

[EmmaLee]

EmmaLee, I keep hoping to leave the west (Utah) in order to find more like-minded people! I hope you can find your happy place.

Thanks, Crackers! I sincerely hope there are people like you where we're headed (which isn't Utah) - that would be a much welcome and refreshing change. Interestingly enough, all but one of the women in this group of ward women that I refer to above, are from Utah.

[iWriteStuff]

EmmaLee, I keep hoping to leave the west (Utah) in order to find more like-minded people! I hope you can find your happy place.

Thanks, Crackers! I sincerely hope there are people like you where we're headed (which isn't Utah) - that would be a much welcome and refreshing change. Interestingly enough, all but one of the women in this group of ward women that I refer to above, are from Utah.

That's pretty consistent with what we've seen too. My ward consists of two demographics: established families with a lot of time in the state and then a bunch of transplants from Utah. The transplants clique together and pretty much ostracize everyone else. All the drama, all the gossip, and all the hurt feelings are generated by the activities of this small group. In Ward Council, the RS president has essentially written them off. No one can get them to accept callings that aren't universally coveted, and getting them to open up their clique to non-Utah non-fashionistas is nigh unto impossible.

I've suggested we try moving, but the general opinion is that they will first. They all have this dream of moving into ever larger mansions. Babylon at it's finest!

[David13]

my ward is full of those type women and it seems most go along with them so not to be shunned.

is it safe to say most wards have women like this?

I don't know. I would certainly like to know.
I know there are quite a number of those in my stake who are vehemently opposed to, and vocal about not being like that.
And I know in the ward all the talk is indicative of extremely strong adherence to doctrine and what so far I perceive to be strict construction of it, that is, no, Jesus does not approve of sin, and if "society" says it is not sin, that nonetheless it still is sin.
So I might be in the right (unusual?, I hope not) place.
dc

[EmmaLee]

EmmaLee, I keep hoping to leave the west (Utah) in order to find more like-minded people! I hope you can find your happy place.

Thanks, Crackers! I sincerely hope there are people like you where we're headed (which isn't Utah) - that would be a much welcome and refreshing change. Interestingly enough, all but one of the women in this group of ward women that I refer to above, are from Utah.

That's pretty consistent with what we've seen too. My ward consists of two demographics: established families with a lot of time in the state and then a bunch of transplants from Utah. The transplants clique together and pretty much ostracize everyone else. All the drama, all the gossip, and all the hurt feelings are generated by the activities of this small group. In Ward Council, the RS president has essentially written them off. No one can get them to accept callings that aren't universally coveted, and getting them to open up their clique to non-Utah non-fashionistas is nigh unto impossible.

I've suggested we try moving, but the general opinion is that they will first. They all have this dream of moving into ever larger mansions. Babylon at it's finest!

Wow, I was going to say it sounds like we're in the same ward - you described ours exactly. Only difference here is the current, and past THREE, RS presidents are part of the aforementioned clique and all of them are from Utah. There is also a general acceptance of same-sex marriage, divorce (in opposite-sex marriages, ironically) is common and not discouraged at all, looking at motherhood as a chore to be not-so-nicely tolerated (our RS throws an "I'm free!" party every first day of school each fall; sad), etc. etc. And these attitudes aren't just with the overt socialists/feminists - they are with the majority of women in our ward, regardless of political persuasion. Just baffling.

[Silver Pie]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 023061001/

Check paragraphs 4 and 5. I noticed some Mormon women participated in these marches. Are the marchers representative of mainstream Mormon women?

Several active, recommend holding, women from our ward marched in our cities 'women's march' - wearing those stupid hats, too - and posted photos of themselves (with their children, who marched with them) on Facebook for all the world to see. The most outspoken woman among them is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric. I noticed several other active LDS women I know from states out west posted photos of themselves (and again, their children were with them, as well) marching in their cities, too. Makes me sick.

Makes me wonder if they comprehend that they are wearing what is supposed to be women's genitals on their heads.

[Silver Pie]

I recall hearing about a woman who was caught violating the law of chastity, and some time after confessing her bishop caught her in a temple! She had the nerve to defend herself by saying her bishop hadn't instructed her to stop going to the temple!

Maybe she thought going to the temple would help her overcome the sin?

[Silver Pie]

I am genuinely not interested in courtship. I am only interested in dating, making friends, and finding people willing to do the things I am interested in doing.
I know some people think all dating should be courtship. I was briefly in the LDS Divorce Survivors Facebook group, which I found rather hostile, and I vividly remember one woman expressing indignity at the idea of casual dating. She said that asking a woman on a date sends a very clear message that you are interested in a relationship with her, and she was serious!

I hear ya on that.

Potential ideas like this (dating means you're looking to get into a relationship with them) are why I make plain that going to lunch with a male friend is not a date. I got caught in that trap about 5 years ago. Not again. Sometimes they get other ideas, as if I'm lying to them when I say, "We're friends, not "boyfriend-girlfriend" (and, of course, people hearing you say that about a man [or woman in your case] like to roll their eyes or get "that" look on their face [rather like a smirk] when they hear "We're friends" or "We're just friends"). Those who think you're lying are the people to drop the friendship with asap.

[EmmaLee]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 023061001/

Check paragraphs 4 and 5. I noticed some Mormon women participated in these marches. Are the marchers representative of mainstream Mormon women?

Several active, recommend holding, women from our ward marched in our cities 'women's march' - wearing those stupid hats, too - and posted photos of themselves (with their children, who marched with them) on Facebook for all the world to see. The most outspoken woman among them is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric. I noticed several other active LDS women I know from states out west posted photos of themselves (and again, their children were with them, as well) marching in their cities, too. Makes me sick.

Makes me wonder if they comprehend that they are wearing what is supposed to be women's genitals on their heads.

I can't imagine that they aren't aware of that. These are educated women - all of them have at least a Bachelor's degree, most have their Master's (of course, these facts may actually explain a lot - being "educated" in today's universities...). The ring leader (wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric) is a full professor at the state university. These are not ignorant, naive women, by any stretch - at least not in regard to things of the world.

[Silver Pie]

Makes me wonder if they comprehend that they are wearing what is supposed to be women's genitals on their heads.

I can't imagine that they aren't aware of that. These are educated women - all of them have at least a Bachelor's degree, most have their Master's (of course, these facts may actually explain a lot - being "educated" in today's universities...). The ring leader (wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric) is a full professor at the state university. These are not ignorant, naive women, by any stretch - at least not in regard to things of the world.

I just finished reading the thread, and have to concur with you. There's no way they could be ignorant of the fact that their hats (though not as explicit as the hats worn initially) are intended to make people visualize their private parts.

[Fiannan]

I just finished reading the thread, and have to concur with you. There's no way they could be ignorant of the fact that their hats (though not as explicit as the hats worn initially) are intended to make people visualize their private parts.

The corporate media will never note this and most people in the USA are at the level of consciousness of one of BF Skinner's lab rats.

[David13]

I just finished reading the thread, and have to concur with you. There's no way they could be ignorant of the fact that their hats (though not as explicit as the hats worn initially) are intended to make people visualize their private parts.

The corporate media will never note this and most people in the USA are at the level of consciousness of one of BF Skinner's lab rats.

That's about right.
They don't want to be objectified as a sex object is what they say. And what symbol do they adopt, each and every one of them. A hat that symbolizes their sex parts, thus symbolizing themselves as a sex object.
Ironic, or just stupid?
dc

[Gage]

Did the Mormon sisters embrace the sex workers marching along side them that were crying for legalization of prostitution?

[Silver Pie]

I just finished reading the thread, and have to concur with you. There's no way they could be ignorant of the fact that their hats (though not as explicit as the hats worn initially) are intended to make people visualize their private parts.

The corporate media will never note this and most people in the USA are at the level of consciousness of one of BF Skinner's lab rats.

You might be more correct than I'd want to admit.

[Fiannan]

3rd wave feminism is a cancer. Not sure how any Mormon woman who believes in it can also think she believes in the Gospel.

[Fiannan]

Question: Are the Mormon women you know who are wearing vagina hats generally less attractive than the more traditional Mormon women you know?

[tdj]

What the woman at 10:30 says about these people at vagina hat rallies having had their discernment taken away by God may explain even "Mormon" people who take part in these events.

I couldn't agree more - she is exactly right - this is absolutely spiritual. I would also add that this (God taking discernment away) applies even more to Mormon people, as they should know better - to whom much is given, much is expected. Wish she'd come and teach RS in our ward! Ha, she'd be tossed out on her ear, unfortunately.

My ward goes out of its way NOT to discuss any kind of politics, but I strongly suspect a few women who are liberal and vote democrat in our ranks. I don't know how you stand it in a blatantly liberal ward. I'd get into more then one fist fight I kid you not.

[Sirocco]

I wouldn't even bother, the amount of offensive to the left things I say is insane, today I saw a guy that had a shirt on that said (bleep) off nazi punks/smash racism.
I had my "war hat" (a hat I use to play historical and fantasy miniature games) which is a confederate kepi, imagine if that sjw trash knew that lol
How freaked out he'd be.

[David13]

What the woman at 10:30 says about these people at vagina hat rallies having had their discernment taken away by God may explain even "Mormon" people who take part in these events.

I couldn't agree more - she is exactly right - this is absolutely spiritual. I would also add that this (God taking discernment away) applies even more to Mormon people, as they should know better - to whom much is given, much is expected. Wish she'd come and teach RS in our ward! Ha, she'd be tossed out on her ear, unfortunately.

My ward goes out of its way NOT to discuss any kind of politics, but I strongly suspect a few women who are liberal and vote democrat in our ranks. I don't know how you stand it in a blatantly liberal ward. I'd get into more then one fist fight I kid you not.

tdj
I will pick you up and together we will go and visit Emma Lees ward. Let me know when you are ready to go.
dc

[EmmaLee]

My ward goes out of its way NOT to discuss any kind of politics, but I strongly suspect a few women who are liberal and vote democrat in our ranks. I don't know how you stand it in a blatantly liberal ward. I'd get into more then one fist fight I kid you not.

tdj
I will pick you up and together we will go and visit Emma Lees ward. Let me know when you are ready to go.
dc

Lunch at my house afterward!

[tdj]

My ward goes out of its way NOT to discuss any kind of politics, but I strongly suspect a few women who are liberal and vote democrat in our ranks. I don't know how you stand it in a blatantly liberal ward. I'd get into more then one fist fight I kid you not.

tdj
I will pick you up and together we will go and visit Emma Lees ward. Let me know when you are ready to go.
dc

Lunch at my house afterward!

What are you having?

[tdj]

What the woman at 10:30 says about these people at vagina hat rallies having had their discernment taken away by God may explain even "Mormon" people who take part in these events.

I couldn't agree more - she is exactly right - this is absolutely spiritual. I would also add that this (God taking discernment away) applies even more to Mormon people, as they should know better - to whom much is given, much is expected. Wish she'd come and teach RS in our ward! Ha, she'd be tossed out on her ear, unfortunately.

My ward goes out of its way NOT to discuss any kind of politics, but I strongly suspect a few women who are liberal and vote democrat in our ranks. I don't know how you stand it in a blatantly liberal ward. I'd get into more then one fist fight I kid you not.

tdj
I will pick you up and together we will go and visit Emma Lees ward. Let me know when you are ready to go.
dc

Ok, what are my odds of getting excommunicated?

[EmmaLee]

My ward goes out of its way NOT to discuss any kind of politics, but I strongly suspect a few women who are liberal and vote democrat in our ranks. I don't know how you stand it in a blatantly liberal ward. I'd get into more then one fist fight I kid you not.

tdj
I will pick you up and together we will go and visit Emma Lees ward. Let me know when you are ready to go.
dc

Lunch at my house afterward!

What are you having?

Knuckle sandwiches?