Why the pink hats may be out???

[brianj]

Having a temple recommend in the LDS church today doesn't mean much. It shows you pay your tithing is about all.

No, having a temple recommend means that you claim to pay your tithing when interviewed.

I recall hearing about a woman who was caught violating the law of chastity, and some time after confessing her bishop caught her in a temple! She had the nerve to defend herself by saying her bishop hadn't instructed her to stop going to the temple!

I have been anxious about dating when my divorce is finally over because I have heard so many stories of single adults who go to the temple Saturday morning, go out on a date that evening, sleep together that night, and partake of the sacrament Sunday. I don't know how I'll be able to tell if a woman really is virtuous or is pretending to be so she can hold my attention.

Just curious: How long after committing a sin is someone NOT supposed to go to the temple? If the bishop didn't take her recommend away, then he must not want her to stay away too badly. Personally, I think the temple is EXACTLY where a contrite and repentant person needs to be.

If a person has committed sins that require confession to priesthood authority, I don't think they should be going to a temple until they have completed their repentance.

Do you think that a contrite and repentant person who has committed adultery and torn their family apart should go straight to the temple after they confess to their bishop? I would expect that person to be disfellowshipped for a time, and they aren't eligible for a recommend while disfellowshipped, so I don't think they should rush to the temple before their disciplinary council.

And I hate to say it but, to be blunt, there are some incredibly stupid church members. I can totally believe the story I related above because I've known people who come across as that dense. And I remember a person in the Seattle area whose good standing in the church was jeopardized because, after telling her neighbor about how wonderful and beautiful the temple is, she loaned her recommend to that neighbor! When the non-LDS woman had no idea where to go or what to do after passing the recommend desk people were able to figure out what happened. The lady was escorted out and the temple recommend was taken from her.

[Fiannan]

I think think pink hat issue and other issues like gossip are not being taken seriously enough by the church.

Boyd K. Packer understood the threat but I am not sure his analysis of the issues were that much an influence over much of the LDS population, and that includes at all levels.

[Fiannan]

What the woman at 10:30 says about these people at vagina hat rallies having had their discernment taken away by God may explain even "Mormon" people who take part in these events.

[EmmaLee]

What the woman at 10:30 says about these people at vagina hat rallies having had their discernment taken away by God may explain even "Mormon" people who take part in these events.

I couldn't agree more - she is exactly right - this is absolutely spiritual. I would also add that this (God taking discernment away) applies even more to Mormon people, as they should know better - to whom much is given, much is expected. Wish she'd come and teach RS in our ward! Ha, she'd be tossed out on her ear, unfortunately.

[EmmaLee]

This article/video explains a lot...

Reporter Asks Women's Marchers What They're Protesting. Things Go Exactly How You'd Expect.
By: Amanda Prestigiacomo
January 22, 2018

Turns out, the Women's March has very little to do with actual women's rights and women's issues and everything to do with an irrational hatred for President Donald Trump (and, more generally, conservatives).

Street reporter Austen Fletcher, who goes by "Fleccas," attended the LA Women's March on Saturday to let the fine folks in genitalia hats explain why they were out protesting. The women and their male "allies" had no clear message, as you might expect, though there was talk of white guilt, a women's "right" to kill an unborn child up until birth, the widely debunked "gender pay gap," hatred for President Trump (he's unqualified because he's "never been president before"), and signs calling for the murder of Trump and Vice President Pence.

A lovely group of America's finest, really.

Missing from these "empowered" women's mouths were any words about the women currently suffering at the hands of oppressive regimes. One woman, who was holding a sign boasting the famous image of a Muslim woman in an American flag hijab, went as far as to explicitly state that she was not out protesting in solidarity with the women of Iran.

The young lady next to her — stunningly — pitched a case for the compulsory wearing of the hijab, which only has a bad rap from "white colonists." Fleccas asked if her sign of the woman in the American flag hijab might be offensive to "Muslim women who are oppressed by the hijab."

Her answer, I kid you not, went as follows: "So, obviously I'm not Muslim so I feel like I can't speak for Muslim women, but I did take a Middle Eastern Studies class this past semester, and one of the things I learned is that the hijab really got a negative image from white colonists."

So much women's empowerment!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/26160/wa ... =mattwalsh

[EmmaLee]

Another good article about the "women's march" debacle. Blows my mind that any woman professing to believe in God would attend or promote or support such a thing, but just like last year - I saw posts today on Facebook from women in my ward who attended, and others who weren't able to march, but who 'support' and 'cheer on' those who did.

The Vile, Awful Women's March Is A Symptom Of The Spiritual Disease That Infects Our Culture
By Matt Walsh
January 22, 2018

On Friday, hundreds of thousands of compassionate, welcoming, cheerful women and men took to the streets of Washington. D.C., rallying in support of basic human rights. Then the Women's March happened.

Taking place just a day after the March For Life, and in direct contrast to the annual pro-life event's joyful atmosphere of hope and generosity, the Women's March was once again vile, aimless, and embarrassing. Bitter feminists donned their trademark vagina hats and carried grotesque, pornographic signs referring explicitly to their own genitalia. Signs blaring important messages like "F*** you" and "Paul Ryan is a f*** stick" and "Trump is a s***hole" were hoisted proudly while little children with negligent parents walked innocently amid the mob. Then they left their trash strewn across the city and went home.

What message were they trying to send? What was the point of it all? Well, nobody at the march seemed to know. They know they support baby murder, which is why mass murderer Cecile Richards spoke at the Las Vegas march, and protesters heckled pro-lifers at the D.C. march. They know they hate Donald Trump. They know they're being "oppressed," though they can't explain this oppression or give clear cut examples of it. But that's all they seem to know. Mostly, the march was an expression of impotent rage by self-centered nihilists. It was an incoherent temper tantrum. It was a demonstration of ignorance and hate. It was a perfect illustration of what our culture has become.

There are those who say that the Women's March misrepresents American women. I disagree. The numbers may have been down this year, but it still attracted thousands of people in 250 cities nationwide because it does represent many women in this country. Just as it represents, in equal proportion, many men. We cannot call it an anomaly or pretend that we have never encountered, and do not recognize, the sort of people who turn up at rallies like this. We know that, whether we like to admit it or not, the Women's March happens because we are precisely the sort of country where it would happen. It is just a graphic and disturbing symptom of the spiritual disease that infects our culture.

It's fortunate that the March For Life was held on the same weekend, because it proves that all is not quite lost. There is another side, and the two sides are separated by a vast divide which cannot be bridged by compromise. You can only choose one or the other, or you can jump into the canyon between them and float aimlessly in the middle. But if you have the intellectual courage to make the choice, you can stand on the one side with those who fight for life, truth, and moral decency. Or you can choose to stand on the other side with those who degrade human life, reject truth, and sneer at decency. Those are your options.

Of course, I do not claim that everyone on the one side is a perfect angel and everyone on the other is an irredeemable demon. Yet there are real angels and demons at work in this world, and they already picked their sides long before we came into existence. We have only to decide which army we will join.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/26169/wa ... =mattwalsh

[Fiannan]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

[Gage]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

They will "unfriend" her or whatever its called on FB, and that would be devastating.

[Fiannan]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

They will "unfriend" her or whatever its called on FB, and that would be devastating.

Who wants to see a bunch of middle-aged Relief Society members wearing vagina hats and taking part in protests with women flipping off Trump references in speeches?

So it would be no loss if they get triggered and unfriend her.

[EmmaLee]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

I apparently "triggered" them last year after the march when I posted the Family Proclamation the same day they posted photos of themselves in their hats (with their children). They attacked me mercilessly. I was shocked at first (as I hadn't mentioned any of them, nor commented on any of their FB pages, etc.), then I found it humorous, then it made me sad for their souls. I also linked an excellent article by Walsh last year - they saw it - same reaction. The worst that can happen? I'm now black-balled in our ward. The main ring-leader of these socialists/feminists is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric and she has seen to it. It is much worse than I'm disclosing here, but that's all I'll say about it. So no, them all joining some feminist Pagan cult isn't the worst that could've happened, but whatever.

[EmmaLee]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

They will "unfriend" her or whatever its called on FB, and that would be devastating.

Gage, I know you can't help yourself from being a complete a$$, but you should at least give it a try.

[Older/wiser?]

I am sorry your black-balled EmmaLee I am sure that is difficult as social revolves around church. I am amazed at their stupidity and for them to represent LDS women is disgusting. Just remember "Wheat and tares, Wheat and tares" seems like the spiritual separation has begun, next step physical as they proceed down Kate Kellys path.

[iWriteStuff]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

I apparently "triggered" them last year after the march when I posted the Family Proclamation the same day they posted photos of themselves in their hats (with their children). They attacked me mercilessly. I was shocked at first (as I hadn't mentioned any of them, nor commented on any of their FB pages, etc.), then I found it humorous, then it made me sad for their souls. I also linked an excellent article by Walsh last year - they saw it - same reaction. The worst that can happen? I'm now black-balled in our ward. The main ring-leader of these socialists/feminists is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric and she has seen to it. It is much worse than I'm disclosing here, but that's all I'll say about it. So no, them all joining some feminist Pagan cult isn't the worst that could've happened, but whatever.

My wife had a childhood friend march in one of those feminist parades. She got roasted by her peer group on FB. She's from Idaho.

There are hard times coming. Politically, socially, and spiritually. And then I am reminded of how Brigham Young felt about hard times:

"If the wicked come here they do not wish to stay, no matter how well they are treated, and I thank the Lord for it; and I want hard times, so that every person that does not wish to stay, for the sake of his religion, will leave."

"Marvel not that we have what are called troubles: marvel not that our enemies seek to destroy us and the kingdom of God from the earth. These persecutions are to prepare the humble and faithful to dwell in the presence of God the Father and his Son."

[Fiannan]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

I apparently "triggered" them last year after the march when I posted the Family Proclamation the same day they posted photos of themselves in their hats (with their children). They attacked me mercilessly. I was shocked at first (as I hadn't mentioned any of them, nor commented on any of their FB pages, etc.), then I found it humorous, then it made me sad for their souls. I also linked an excellent article by Walsh last year - they saw it - same reaction. The worst that can happen? I'm now black-balled in our ward. The main ring-leader of these socialists/feminists is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric and she has seen to it. It is much worse than I'm disclosing here, but that's all I'll say about it. So no, them all joining some feminist Pagan cult isn't the worst that could've happened, but whatever.

Then again I have contacts, or know people who know people, that you could forward to them so they could reach their full potential as desciples of the dark arts.

As for being black-balled I am sure their husbands have received much worse for ever daring to disagree with them.

And there is the problem, if these mad-mammas have such influence in your ward then they will certainly pollute the spirituality of the entire population. If there are like-minded people on your (the Lord's) side then maybe a united front and in-their-face approach is in order to counter their influences.

[Fiannan]

I am sorry your black-balled EmmaLee I am sure that is difficult as social revolves around church. I am amazed at their stupidity and for them to represent LDS women is disgusting. Just remember "Wheat and tares, Wheat and tares" seems like the spiritual separation has begun, next step physical as they proceed down Kate Kellys path.

Okay, all I know about Kate Kelly is some threads in this forum but she does not seem like that sort of person. I would think the people in the ward might go the route of Sonja Johnson.

[Older/wiser?]

I guess it doesn't matter what route they take, their destination is the same.

[EmmaLee]

EmmaLee, why not poke your friends from your ward on FB and link some of this information so they will see it? What's the worse that can happen if they are triggered, they all join some feminist Pagan cult?

I apparently "triggered" them last year after the march when I posted the Family Proclamation the same day they posted photos of themselves in their hats (with their children). They attacked me mercilessly. I was shocked at first (as I hadn't mentioned any of them, nor commented on any of their FB pages, etc.), then I found it humorous, then it made me sad for their souls. I also linked an excellent article by Walsh last year - they saw it - same reaction. The worst that can happen? I'm now black-balled in our ward. The main ring-leader of these socialists/feminists is the wife of the 1st counselor in our Bishopric and she has seen to it. It is much worse than I'm disclosing here, but that's all I'll say about it. So no, them all joining some feminist Pagan cult isn't the worst that could've happened, but whatever.

Then again I have contacts, or know people who know people, that you could forward to them so they could reach their full potential as desciples of the dark arts.
Well, thanks, but it's fairly obvious (from what I've seen/heard) that they are well on their way already - no further help, contacts, or encouragement needed.

As for being black-balled I am sure their husbands have received much worse for ever daring to disagree with them.
I could tell you a few things about some episodes in that regard that I've witnessed first-hand... As far as politically/socially though, the husbands (of the ones who are still married) are in lock-step with their socialist/feminist wives, sadly - or at least they pretend to be. The 1st counselor in our Bishopric (husband of the most militant woman), is very much an Obama/Sanders/Hillary fan and lets everyone know it. Of the other women - two have divorced their husbands in the last couple of years; another one has a very mild, introvert husband, who would never dare to speak up or against her; and the rest have complicit husbands.

And there is the problem, if these mad-mammas have such influence in your ward then they will certainly pollute the spirituality of the entire population. If there are like-minded people on your (the Lord's) side then maybe a united front and in-their-face approach is in order to counter their influences.
Yeah, that isn't going to happen, unfortunately. I know of one - ONE - other woman who believes as I do (or at least, who has admitted it to me), and she's in the other ward in our town - and she would literally rather die than speak up to anyone, let alone this loud-mouthed group. If there are other women who are troubled by what they say and do (including at church and in RS, etc.), then I sure can't tell who they are, as they hide it expertly. As for polluting the spirituality of the entire population in our ward - it's a done deal as near as I can tell. This place is a black hole, spiritually, and my husband and I are making plans to move out west soon to be by family and, hopefully, more like-minded people. 30 years of doing our best - time to move on.

[EmmaLee]

I am sorry your black-balled EmmaLee I am sure that is difficult as social revolves around church. I am amazed at their stupidity and for them to represent LDS women is disgusting. Just remember "Wheat and tares, Wheat and tares" seems like the spiritual separation has begun, next step physical as they proceed down Kate Kellys path.

Okay, all I know about Kate Kelly is some threads in this forum but she does not seem like that sort of person. I would think the people in the ward might go the route of Sonja Johnson.

Kate Kelly is exactly that sort of person. She's the idol of these women in my ward. Google her name - it's scary.

[Fiannan]

I am sorry your black-balled EmmaLee I am sure that is difficult as social revolves around church. I am amazed at their stupidity and for them to represent LDS women is disgusting. Just remember "Wheat and tares, Wheat and tares" seems like the spiritual separation has begun, next step physical as they proceed down Kate Kellys path.

Okay, all I know about Kate Kelly is some threads in this forum but she does not seem like that sort of person. I would think the people in the ward might go the route of Sonja Johnson.

Kate Kelly is exactly that sort of person. She's the idol of these women in my ward. Google her name - it's scary.

Oh, I was mixing her up with the lady with the near death experiences and books. July Rowe or something like that.

[EmmaLee]

I am sorry your black-balled EmmaLee I am sure that is difficult as social revolves around church. I am amazed at their stupidity and for them to represent LDS women is disgusting. Just remember "Wheat and tares, Wheat and tares" seems like the spiritual separation has begun, next step physical as they proceed down Kate Kellys path.

Okay, all I know about Kate Kelly is some threads in this forum but she does not seem like that sort of person. I would think the people in the ward might go the route of Sonja Johnson.

Kate Kelly is exactly that sort of person. She's the idol of these women in my ward. Google her name - it's scary.

Oh, I was mixing her up with the lady with the near death experiences and books. July Rowe or something like that.

Nah, they just roll their eyes at Rowe. Kate Kelly is the one who was demanding the Church ordain women to the priesthood, etc. a few years ago. A virulent feminist of the worst stripe, IMO. She's since been ex'd, but is still trying to be relevant.

[Older/wiser?]

Scary for them, we all know what happens when the righteous leave!!

[Gage]

Ok bad joke EmmaLee sorry, btw my ward is full of those type women and it seems most go along with them so not to be shunned.

[iWriteStuff]

my ward is full of those type women and it seems most go along with them so not to be shunned.

is it safe to say most wards have women like this?

[Gage]

my ward is full of those type women and it seems most go along with them so not to be shunned.

is it safe to say most wards have women like this?

I hope not, but probably. My mother, bless her heart, had to resign from Relief Society because she said it was getting so bad.

[iWriteStuff]

my ward is full of those type women and it seems most go along with them so not to be shunned.

is it safe to say most wards have women like this?

I hope not, but probably. My mother, bless her heart, had to resign from Relief Society because she said it was getting so bad.

How does one resign from RS? Volunteer to teach Sun Beams? Granted, the company improves significantly....