Accusation of Child Sex Trafficking Ring in Utah

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Accusation of Child Sex Trafficking Ring in Utah

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The following was posted on Facebook by a guy named Evan McMullin. I knew him a long time ago. It's very long, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts and especially those of Juliet:


If I Die, Here's Why

Why it matters, and How You Can Help

***PLEASE READ THIS AND SHARE TO YOU FACEBOOK PROFILES.***
***YOUR EFFORTS MAY SAVE MY LIFE.***
***THIS IS NOT A JOKE.***

Salt Lake City, Utah
December 28th, 2017

Near the First of the Month of December, I posted a video on Facebook in which I confessed to being a victim of childhood sexual abuse.

Also that this abuse occurred right here in Salt Lake City, and that the very people who had victimized me as a child had returned - to harass, intimidate, and, (as I now know), even attempt to kill me.

This is my life. It is not a joke.

I'd like to thank the friends, business colleagues, and even strangers who shared the video and posted it on their Facebook accounts. Your efforts have played a part in keeping me safe these last few weeks.

Over the last several days, my life has been unbelievably frightening.

While it might be comforting to tell yourself that I must be someone who is confused, paranoid, delusional, or demented, and that no such thing could possibly occur here in Utah; I'd ask that you make an effort to keep your skepticism at bay and attempt to keep an open mind.

I have no history of psychosis or mental illness. I'm not currently on any medication, and, while I am mentally and emotionally exhausted because of the events over the last Four weeks, I don't suffer from any kind of mental or emotional illness.

Every word that you're about to read is true.

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It was never my intention for any part of my past to become public, as I had no desire of ever coming forward with any of this.

My childhood traumas were my cross to bear, and my burden to carry.

And had I not been pushed into a situation as dangerous as the one I'm currently in, I may have remained indefinitely silent on these issues.

NONE OF THIS WAS OR IS WHAT I WANT FOR MY LIFE.

And it is only because I'm terrified for my survival that you're reading this.
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What's Happening

Over the last few years of my life - from my mid-to-late 30’s - I’ve been flooded with some traumatic childhood memories that have surfaced, and confirmed to me consciously what I’ve always understood at the sub-conscious, emotional level: As a child, I was sexual prey to a group of men (and some women) who are involved in what can only be described as an underground, enormously violent, child-sex-trafficking-and-child-prostitution ring.

This group operates right here in Salt Lake City, Utah, and consists of religious and political leaders. It also counts other working professionals among its ranks: doctors, lawyers, accountants, school teachers, social workers, counselors, therapists, government employees, etc.

Most of the members of this group that I'm personally aware of were leaders who were local to the neighborhood I lived in as a child.

I do know however know of some other businessmen and religious leaders who are involved.

Some of these people who abused me did so in the 1980's and 1990's. They are no longer alive.

Some now have and hold higher positions in the Mormon Church.

I will not be naming the names of any of the perpetrators that I'm aware of in this document.

The vast majority of the people within this group (although there are exceptions), give every appearance of being active LDS. They are groomed in how to successfully blend in with society: Under-cover, chameleon-like. They talk the talk and walk the walk of pious, God-fearing, devout Latter Day Saints. Many will part their hair on Sunday mornings, fervently give testimony of their belief in the truthfulness of the gospel, and go to great lengths to mark their scriptures.
They even serve missions and take on time-consuming callings within the church.

All of this is done, deliberately and methodically, so as to be in a position beyond suspicion should an allegation of sexual abuse ever occur.

Because they've demonstrated every outward appearance of piety, the perfect cover is in place.

They are beyond suspicion.

And they know that with the kinds of crimes that they're committing, their reputation is invaluable.

I cannot emphasize this enough.

PREDATORS IN THIS GROUP - DESPITE BEING UTTERLY SOCIOPATHIC AND RUTHLESS CHILD TRAFFICKERS - ARE ENTIRELY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE REST OF US.

I've gone my entire life with surrounded by these people - even without knowing it.

And when you get blindsided, as I did recently, you won't have seen it coming.
As a nurse who recently took my blood told me: "well now, at least, you know what's up, and you know how things are."

I hope you're a faster learner than I am.

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As I mentioned above, the group operates with virtual impunity right here in Salt Lake City, along the Wasatch front, and broader Utah. I won't speculate on the numbers, but I personally believe the number of both perpetrators and victims to is much higher than most people would ever imagine.

Much of my personal story seems to revolve around money. As I've learned from my upbringing, there is an enormous amount of money in the trafficking of children, and I personally have many memories of being sold for sex to men (and some women), for cash.

I do also have a couple memories that are a kind of strange mix of occultist anti-Mormonism. I know that at least some of the members of this group in the 1980's and 1990's were and likely are still involved in occult activity.

The occult memories I have are bizarre, but I don't doubt them.

I've seen too much to think that they are anything other than what they are.
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What's going on with my life? Why Do They Care About Me?

I have, for some time, known that I was a victim of this group, but simply believed I was one single victim living in a city with many others. I couldn't have imagined there was anything special about me or my life situation or my history of abuse that made me stand out in any particular way.

I had also strongly (but misguidedly) believed, that keeping silent about a lot of this was keeping me safe.

The events of the past few months have changed this.

I now understand that the group is - and has been for some time - almost neurotically obsessed with how much I know about them, and what kind of memories I've uncovered.

While I'm not currently naming any names, or interested in exposing specific individuals, I can say that some of the Men who sexually abused me were (or are) Mormon General Authorities.

That is, they previously held, or now hold, high positions of power within the Mormon Church. I am also aware of some local businessmen who are involved. These are men with an enormous amount of money and power.

It is for this reason that I believe that I am being harassed and targeted to the extent that I am.

I'd like to emphasize this:
Only a person who is utterly deranged would believe that people are after him without reason.

But I am a firsthand witness to multiple brutal, child sexual abuse crimes by local business and religious leaders here in Salt Lake City...

Only for this reason do I believe I am being targeted.
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Who I am

In spite of my childhood traumas, I have tried my best to piece together a normal life for myself.

I am an Eagle Scout, a Mormon seminary graduate, and I served a mission in Madrid, Spain.

I am an active Mormon.

I love the church.

I support and sustain the brethren.

I agree with the mission of the gospel and I am proud of my mission service. I see problems in the Church but accept it as it is, warts and all. I haven't always been perfect in my testimony. I've fallen short, made mistakes, and said and done stupid things along the way.

I've even been critical of some aspects of the faith and some of the issues with our history.

But the church has always been an integral part of who I am - and always will be.

After my mission I attended school at the University of Utah. I graduated with multiple degrees and then went on to attend Law School. All this before making a transition to becoming a full-time Real Estate Investor here in Salt Lake city.
I'm far from perfect, but I've always believed in hard work and a positive attitude. I see myself as always wanting to give to others the best of myself, and loving and caring for those around me.

I think it should be stated that it is not my intention that this document be understood as criticism of the Mormon Church.

It is my belief that the sick, sociopathic individuals involved in these crimes are merely using the church as a vessel, or a medium, through which to commit their evil, and similar evils exist in other cultures as well.

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Utah is not safe for children

Most of us, if we're being honest with ourselves, already know this. We've all met, known - or have even been in a relationship, with someone who has eventually come to quietly confess to being sexually abused, or, like me, been through worse.

As Mormons, we were taught to trust and love others; particularly if they talk the talk and walk the walk of active, believing Mormons. But more often than we'd like to admit, the abuser is an active member of the church.

I believe that many of us know and understand this, but choose - perhaps out of some sort of misguided belief that we may be harming the reputation of the church - to ignore the evidence, or hope that someone else will deal with the problem.

Rarely, but occasionally, someone is arrested and brought to justice.
Sadly, those stories are few and far between.

The media report as best they can, and the world gets back to business.
We are now nearing in on two decades since the Catholic Church addressed its internal issues related to child sexual abuse. Grown adults came forward, by the thousands, to name names and tell their stories.

If we are ever able to grow as a culture and address the very serious issues we have with child sexual abuse, we will have to learn how to be more critical and more discriminating.

We will need to grow up.

And until Utahns stand up against child sexual abuse, nothing will change.
When will we finally begin to speak up about child sexual abuse in Utah?

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Access to Drugs

I'd like to get this out of the way here...

In my first online Facebook video, I mention that I was trafficked as a child, and that the men who got away with it were able to do so because of "the techniques that the group used."

I believe this deserves some clarification.

This was a reference to the way in which the group uses drugs to get away with crimes.

This group has access to a variety of sedatives and other narcotics, which they used on me, and which they also use liberally on other victims.

How they get access to these drugs is beyond me. I don't know how or in what way these drugs are controlled, I only know that they have and use them.

I have memories of being dosed with the "date rape" drug, Ruhipinol.

I know the effects on the body.

I've experienced this several times.

I have other memories of being drugged after being sexually abused. That is, men would sexually assault me - gang rape me even - and then give me an injection of a liquid in my arm or in my neck. I don't know what this liquid was, obviously. These events occurred years ago, and I'm not a medical doctor.

But I do know the effect this drug had on my body.

Within a few mere seconds, I would black out.

When I would wake the next morning, I'd have no conscious memory of the traumatic event.

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MY STORY

First off, again, I recognize that what you’re about to read, you may do so with a degree of skepticism. You will want to tell yourself that something so enormously evil and so sinister can exist in right here within the believed-to-be-safe-confines of Salt Lake City, or within greater Utah.

You will want to believe that I’m exaggerating, or that I’m somehow emotionally ill or misguided.

Again, I understand this instinct, and I would ask you to fight against it.

My story could actually have been much worse, and without revealing too much about my childhood and those who surrounded me, I can tell you that as a child, there were some people who were safe to me, and others who were not. This made constant access to my person much more difficult.

I know of many other friends who have endured circumstances much worse than the ones I lived through.

They are, as adults, not human beings I want to be around.

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I was raised in a lower-to-middle-class neighborhood in East Salt Lake City. The geographic boundaries of my Stake (for those familiar with Salt Lake,) ranged from 700 East to 1300 East, and from 500 South to about 1300 South.

By the mid 1980's and 1990's, when I was a child in this area, only one in about every 15 homes in my neighborhood was active LDS (Mormon). Each ward was a tight knit group. We were all friends, and all knew of and engaged with each other.

I now understand something about this area that I didn't as a child - that it was inundated with and controlled by a vicious, underground, child-sex-prostitution and-child-pornography-ring.

Predators frequently sought out positions of power within the Mormon church.

Many of the predatory men who were involved in this group were bishops, counselors, teachers, boy scout leaders, or other individuals with influence in the neighborhood - few seemed to be lay members or mere congregationists.

Much of this child abuse was generational. With parents abusing children and Grandchildren, etc. Parents coach their own children on how to best befriend other children with the intention of getting access to them for sexual exploitation.

There is a lot of money in child prostitution and child pornography.

I also believe that the families within our geographic boundary were starkly divided into victims and predators. If you were born into a family of predators, you were to be sexually abused and indoctrinated into this group by your own parents. How adults whose every normal instinct - to protect and defend their offspring - can be turned on its head in this way is beyond me. These children existed, not as human beings, but as vessels whose entire life purpose is to aide and abet the crimes of their parents.

I know that this sounds like science fiction, but this is what was, and is, happening in Utah.

I've lost many friends to this group, simply because of who they are as adults, and because of the family they were born into.

In my neighborhood, either you were part of the "in-the-know" crowd, and you understood the score, or you were kept out of the loop, destined to be victimized.
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What's Going On With Me?

I am currently being harassed, monitored, intimidated, and surveilled by those who sexually abused me as a child. I have been forced out of my house and am now at a townhouse in Murray.

I get threatening phone calls: "hey, saw your Facebook Post, stay safe... stay safe." People message me on Facebook with scripted posts about how to keep calm and breathe should I be alone when I have a Heart Attack.

When I approach my Sugarhouse bungalow (which I've moved out of), there are cars that occasionally follow closely from behind, or aggressively pull up ahead of me and then drive slowly.

Once, I pulled up to my driveway one night at about 11:30 PM. It was freezing out, being in December, but there was a woman standing in my driveway, blocking my way, in the freezing cold, with four young children.

This isn't happening by accident.

There are a number of other things going on with me that I won't address here,
but I can tell you this group is extraordinarily skilled at making people feel terrified, alone, and vulnerable.

They are ruthless, well-financed, and sophisticated.

Think of this.

These are people who trafficked me as a child, and now are harassing, intimidating, and even attempting to kill me, simply because as an adult, I'm a liability to them.

This is happening to me, right now, in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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A few months ago, I began to spend time with a new group of people. We got to know each other over the year, and being in this circle of friends was fun for me.

We were all LDS (I believed during this time that they had and held to LDS values), so the fun was clean fun, for the most part.

We were able to get to know each other as friends and I had nothing but total trust in these people. I felt a close connection to them and believed them to be exactly who I thought they were.

Strangely, they seemed to be strangely obsessed with some of my personal affairs: What books I was reading, what I thought about certain issues related to child sexual abuse and the Mormon church, whether or not I believed it was widespread, or if I had any memories of the abuse (and what were they.)

These questions were awkward for me, and my reaction was to just brush off the topic, hoping simply that my past would not catch up with me.

I didn't want to indulge in anything that would cause my friends to judge me or care about me any less.

I was happy.

These were people that I loved and adored dearly. They were, I believed, some of the sweetest, kindest humans on the planet. Never in a million years could I have imagined otherwise.

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Toward the end of November, strange things began to occur in my life.

Some of the people that I had known who were involved in sexually assaulting/trafficking me as a child were coming out of the woodwork to engage with me.

I was being called on the phone, contacted via Facebook, and sent texts.

In essence, these people were putting themselves forward to interact with me in a way that was awkward, uncomfortable.

They were intimidating me, as a group - attacking as a pack.

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Not wanting to divulge what I knew about them and about my personal history (this is a common tactic for me), I was forced to have awkward phone conversations with people who I knew were involved in the traumatic events of my childhood.

Additionally, I knew they had access to my home wifi network, because of some of the questions they were asking me over the phone: "Hey did you catch the 1st quarter of that Jazz game last night?"

I did. (In fact, it was the only quarter I watched.)

I believe this was done in a way that was pre-planned and coordinated, and that the effort was part of a broader attempt to frighten me and flush me from my quiet Sugarhouse SLC bungalow and into a less-safe location of one of my new "friends" on the West side of Salt Lake City.

Not knowing what to do, I panicked and fell the arms of my new "friends," (whom I simply believed loved me and cared for my security and well-being.)

They all begged and pleaded with me that I go to vacant house rental owned by one of them in the West side of Salt Lake City.

In the end, I fled, but instead chose to go to a location downtown.

I brought a gun.

This decision may have saved my life.

When we arrived at the downtown location, I settled in immediately.

My first instinct was to make the video that I posted to Facebook.

I know now that that video has played a part in saving my life.

In an attempt to document what I knew about the group and about my childhood, I also began to write down what I knew about my childhood sexual abuse memories.

Certainly if the public understood what was going on, and were sympathetic with what was happening to me, then I would be safe.

I would get some portion of my story written and my "friends" would ask to see -or even film on their cameras- what I had written.

They were also recording phone conversations that I was having with people I believed would side with me.

These very people I loved and believed to be my friends - my closest, most intimate confidants - I now know were only pretending to care for my well-being, and were, in fact, working in coordination with those who were harassing me.

In short, my "friends", were spying on me.

The few people in the world that I believed could help to keep me safe from those who were intimidating me, were actually working alongside them - hand in hand with my tormentors.
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IT GETS WORSE

On the last night at the downtown location, my friends drugged and, I now believe, also attempted to kill me.

When we arrived one night at our downtown location, one of my female "friends" told me that I needed to keep healthy, under too much stress, and thinking too much.

She asked me to drink a glass of vegetable juice, which would help.

I did as she told me, and drank.

It didn't end there.

Nervously, the 2nd girl approached and sat next to me. "Evan, we love you. We're so sorry for what's happening to you. But you need to get some sleep tonight."

"These will help you." She held out her hand to reveal two White gel-cap pills.

Somehow my mind alerted me to the Red flags.

Why was this friend here?

Why did she care so much to drive all the way down here, just so that I sleep well?

She also carried a bag that sounded as if it had clinking glasses in it.

I believe now, with hindsight, that the pills that were offered me were in fact poison, and that the clinking in the bag was from bottles of spirits.

Liquor that could be poured down my throat after the murder to make the night appear that I simply had "one too many" drinks, and had destroyed my liver.

I ended up refusing the pills, which I'm sure saved my life.

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After the girls left, I was able to add things up in my mind - the months long friendship, the coordination with my tormentors to flush me from my house...

This was an elaborate, well-coordinated effort to pick my brain regarding what I know about this group and what memories I have - and ultimately assassinate me.

Yes. It sounds like an elaborate spy drama/thriller.

But this exact scenario just played out in my life.

The very people whom I believed loved and cared for me and who were helping me, were actually, in fact, working alongside the evil people from my past.
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Someone Wants Me Dead.

Make no mistake.

This attempt at my life was a costly, elaborate, well-executed and well-coordinated assassination attempt by professional killers - not some mere idea concocted by amateurs in a garage.

My friends went to elaborate lengths to gain my trust. There was a backstory, and scripted drama. This went on for months.

It was nothing short of an elaborate espionage operation.

It was devastating.

I'm still reeling.

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Because I understood just how sophisticated this plot against me was - I am understandably terrified.
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After the incident, over the next few days, I made multiple attempts to contact law enforcement.

In total, I've been three times to the local police. All Three times I've had to wait hours to speak to someone.

Frustrated with the lack of response from local police, I've now, twice, driven out to the local Utah FBI office. (After all, if child sex trafficking is the work of any law enforcement agency, it must be the FBI.)

After waiting for about 20 minutes in a holding area, someone finally came to talk to me.

The local agent was nice enough.

He interviewed me for a bit, but then told me that the FBI office didn't actually do this kind of thing, only covered all of Idaho and parts of Wyoming, and was stretched thin.

Sorry, he said. "But we just don't have the resources for this."

I left, exhausted.
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Another day, I drove up to Capitol Hill to the office of Sean Reyes, Attorney General.

I was not in a good state of mind (understandably, because people are trying to kill me).

"I'm a victim of child sex trafficking and I need protection" I blurted out, frantically.

I was even in the same room with Sean Reyes and asked a staff member if I could speak with him.

They were nice enough, apologetic even... but in the end simply asked me to leave.

If an educated 40 year old male can't be listened to and believed, I shudder to think what kind of chance a child has.
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After my two female friends left our downtown location, I attempted to vomit the vegetable drink - but was unable to do so.

Regardless, I'd been accepting food, drinks, and another number of ingestibles, almost unconsciously, from "my friends," for months.
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THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THIS

Three hours after I had drunk the drink that I did that night, I began to have tremors.

My hands and my legs went completely numb, and my back began throbbing on both sides -an indicator of Kidney damage).

I was vomiting and even began to convulse.

I looked up all these symptoms on reputable websites and found that these are very specific symptoms of ingested mercury.

Mercury is found in Fish and shellfish, and it can be deadly, slowly poisoning the system over years.

It's also found in Sushi.

Mercury is nearly impossible to cleanse from your system, and simply works quietly to destroy your kidneys, liver, brain, and other organs.

It is also the perfect poison.

Give someone a dose of mercury, and it's virtually untraceable. One can simply claim after the fact that their victim simply ate a bad piece of fish, or that their favorite food was sushi.

Mercury poisoning can also lead to heart attacks, which are common.

I don't eat Fish, ever.

I eat Sushi about twice a year.

When I learned that I had this poisoning, I immediately went to the ER. They did a CBC and found no abnormalities, but even though I demanded they do a test for mercury, none was done.

I also went to a clinic, and had another CBC, but they refused a mercury test.
Because it's the holidays, I've had a hard time getting an appointment with an internal medicine doctor.

If you're reading this, and I've died of a heart attack or Renal or Hepatic failure, demand a mercury biopsy.

Also demand that the FBI do a complete investigation.

I'm a 39 year old who 30 days ago was in perfect health.

If I die in the foreseeable future, demand that the FBI get involved.

It will not have been an accident.

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People have asked me on Facebook. "Well why don't you just come forward and name all the names of the people you know and the police will investigate."

If I'm backed against a wall, I will divulge every name of every individual I'm aware of.

This is not what I want, but I will do it.

As for simply demanding an investigation, from my perspective, this is not reality.

My interactions with local police have taught me that events related to adult child sexual abuse victims are not something they are interested in investigating.

I can't change this.

And if you believe that I'm somehow mistaken, or not interested in investigating, then you don't understand my situation, and we're not living in the same world.

I want to make this clear, unless I'm pushed, or I'm dying, I will not be naming the people who I know are involved in this.

I simply want the public to know what is going on, because there is some degree of protection that comes with public knowledge.

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To my friends and to anyone with conscience who cares about Utah children.
If you've just read this, share it to your profile now.

Tag friends.

Call the media.

Tell everyone what can happen to child sexual abuse victims in Utah.

This is not a joke, and your efforts may in the end save my life.

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Re: Accusation of Child Sex Trafficking Ring in Utah

Post by Juliet »

Yes it is all true. I was born into it, multi generational. These people don't even know what they are doing. My parents will not be able to face what they have done on this life. You develop multiple personalities so you don't have to take responsibility for being so evil. You become evil when you are denied love. My most wicked personalities healed when I learned to extend love to them. These personalities if they were their own people, would be people I would feel like I couldn't be in the same room with them because of their bad vibes. But I had to learn to send love to them and overcome any sense of self righteousness.

The reason they blend in so well is because they have genuine good personalities that would pass a lie detector test. They truly don't know what they do.

If you want a lesson in overcoming ego, be born into one of these families. It gives you a perspective on evil you would never understand otherwise.

Most people are not righteous. Most people are self righteous. A true person extends love to those who are evil. It is torture and neglect that creates an evil person, or ignorance. It is love and forgiveness and nurturing that creates a good person.

I am the only one in my family to escape. I badly want the rest to escape but they have all been programmed to believe I am mentally ill. I have sent books to my family to help and found out they were thrown away.

Who wants to find out they are a pedo in an alternate personality they don't even know or control, but is controlled by a handler in the cult, created through torture and basically made a slave.

The most righteous among us can fall prey to these programming tactics. It is an iron yoke that binds the saints of God just as Joseph Smith says in &D&C 123.

Fritz Springmeier has a good book "Deeper Insights into the Illuminati" for free online where you can see how people involved are truly slaves.

My patriarchal blessing says members of my family haven't heard the gospel yet, even though they are members. They have temple recommends. But even my son has flashbacks of abuse by ** from age 3 1/2 and before. The stuff he tells me is hard to believe. I asked him if he really believes it was **. He is now 7. He said yes, but it was an accident. I thought that was so tender of him to say because the abuse is so bad. My other daughter told me also she was abused. Unfortunately I didn't escape the cult until I was 26, so I had 2 young kids.

We moved to N Carolina and cult activity is just as active here. I have people in the drive way at midnight honking their horns, and I have been kidnapped from my home, chloroformed and reprogrammed (hypnosis, spinning, and electroshock) to take my kids to a facility. I was programmed to believe I was taking them to a daycare. I woke up out of the programming and rescued my kids but they had all been harmed.

I now have a shotgun which makes me feel safer and have found a good friend who has helped deprogram me. It is common when he is helping me through Skype for my internet to go down especially when we are getting good work done.

I know my emails are read, my phone calls used to be tapped a lot, o could hear people listening in on my calls, especially having anything to do with SRA.

And I know others from Utah who have had similar experiences. These Satanists have a mockery organization of the Mormon Church. They send put missionaries and have their own Holy Ghost. Their sacrament using the sacrament prayers is a perversion.

I had a flashback at the temple because the Satanists have their own temple ceremony. This flashback showed a mockery of the patriarchal order as the wife was submissive to a horrible act of murder as an act of obedience to her husband.

I have confirmed my memories with another survivor that programming occurred under the tabernacle. Because my flashbacks occurred while I was drugged and under hypnosis, I have a hard time being sure who hurt me. I was hypnotized to only see a cloud instead of the face of the person raping me. But I have confirmed with another survivor that pleasant Grove Junior high teachers are involved.

So everything Evan says I believe and matches my story pretty well. But, we have to overcome human nature which is to recoil. People caught up in this are truly slaves and many have pure hearts but their minds have been destroyed. The way we help them is to give them freedom by sharing the truth.

I have had flashbacks of murdering a baby by knife, and having 5 pregnancies. After the baby was born it was killed. One memory is of ** pulling 2 babies out of the oven. No wonder as a child you block that from your memory.

My mom was put into the mental hospital when her programming broke down. If she had the info I had, maybe she would have escaped. It is too easy for the bad guys to label those who get free as mentally ill. That is why on my website I show that mental illness since the inception of the American and World psychological organizations has always been a cover for mind fracturing and complete behavior control.

Www.juliebucker.com

This stuff is deep and awful and even I can't heal without asking Jesus to essentially erase my pain and despair for me, after acknowledging it. Just the mention of such acts of deprivation can bitter the heart and start one questioning God.

I have decided that if I were God, I wouldn't have let this happen. But since I am not God, I will trust Him that He is good. Believing in Him makes healing so much easier and faster and more important is the love from friends.

There was a time I was so lonely and in despair I wondered if I should go back to the cult since that is all I had. At that time this friend showed up and saved my life.

I know Jesus called His disciples friends and I think friendship is the most powerful force in the universe.

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Re: Accusation of Child Sex Trafficking Ring in Utah

Post by larsenb »

Tbone wrote: January 6th, 2018, 3:09 pm The following was posted on Facebook by a guy named Evan McMullin. I knew him a long time ago. It's very long, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts and especially those of Juliet:


If I Die, Here's Why

Why it matters, and How You Can Help . . . . . . . .
Evan McMullin?? Are you sure this isn't some kind of joke?

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Re: Accusation of Child Sex Trafficking Ring in Utah

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larsenb wrote: January 6th, 2018, 4:25 pm Evan McMullin?? Are you sure this isn't some kind of joke?
It's a different Evan McMullin, but he seems serious.

I don't know if this link will work:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... =592566918

Here's a video of him:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... =592566918

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This sounds like the girl who accused our stake president of offering up human sacrifices in my basement.
It’s not that I don’t think things like this don’t happen, this just sounds totally bogus to me. He sounds like a charlatan. The way he words everything and draws it out. His life is in danger because somehow they realize he suddenly remembered everything after all these years. I’m not buying it.

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I'm kind of speechless. :shock: It reminds me of the memo by GA Emeritus Glenn Pace. If it's true, I would name names especially if they are GA's.

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True wrote: January 6th, 2018, 6:11 pm This sounds like the girl who accused our stake president of offering up human sacrifices in my basement.
It’s not that I don’t think things like this don’t happen, this just sounds totally bogus to me. He sounds like a charlatan. The way he words everything and draws it out. His life is in danger because somehow they realize he suddenly remembered everything after all these years. I’m not buying it.
The wording is funny and seems cautious, drawn out and prepared. He doesn't really say much. Why not name names? At least write them down and give them to someone? But seriously, if this is all true, wow. What evil!

I think I would be pissed enough to write it down and post it if I had already been treated this way and threatened with my life. But, this kind of abuse is massively damaging and causes people to have such fear they don't name names and don't come forward.
True evil.

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I read about half of this and I have a weird feeling about this. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I find it difficult to believe this story. If I were him, I would have never gone back to the church. He makes it sound like it's deeply infested with these people. Again, I'm not saying there isn't any crazies in the church but it sounds like this guy is trying to burn the church with false accusations. If he was really in trouble, he would have had proof. Things like video/voice recordings. I would totally set these people up if I were in that situation. The part I don't get is that he knows they're after him already but refuses to give any names. He uses words as if he was choosing them very carefully. All professional and all. Too many red flags for me to be honest

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MMbelieve wrote: January 6th, 2018, 9:03 pm I think I would be pissed enough to write it down and post it if I had already been treated this way and threatened with my life. But, this kind of abuse is massively damaging and causes people to have such fear they don't name names and don't come forward.
True evil.
Kind of matches Corey Feldman’s struggles about child molestation in Hollywood. I believe him, and I don’t think he’s publicly named names yet, to my knowledge; although, he’s threatened to for a while now. Why not? I’m sure there are different reasons and circumstances, but for Evan’s case, he’s relatively a nobody going against prominent people. If true, I can’t imagine how hopeless, angry, and frustrated he is. I hope there’s repentance before God’s justice carries through this mess. Here’s Corey’s side for more perspective:

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LdsMarco wrote: January 6th, 2018, 9:35 pm I read about half of this and I have a weird feeling about this. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I find it difficult to believe this story. If I were him, I would have never gone back to the church. He makes it sound like it's deeply infested with these people. Again, I'm not saying there isn't any crazies in the church but it sounds like this guy is trying to burn the church with false accusations. If he was really in trouble, he would have had proof. Things like video/voice recordings. I would totally set these people up if I were in that situation. The part I don't get is that he knows they're after him already but refuses to give any names. He uses words as if he was choosing them very carefully. All professional and all. Too many red flags for me to be honest
Exactly the impressions I got.

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LdsMarco wrote: January 6th, 2018, 9:35 pm I read about half of this and I have a weird feeling about this. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I find it difficult to believe this story. If I were him, I would have never gone back to the church. He makes it sound like it's deeply infested with these people. Again, I'm not saying there isn't any crazies in the church but it sounds like this guy is trying to burn the church with false accusations. If he was really in trouble, he would have had proof. Things like video/voice recordings. I would totally set these people up if I were in that situation. The part I don't get is that he knows they're after him already but refuses to give any names. He uses words as if he was choosing them very carefully. All professional and all. Too many red flags for me to be honest
At this point he either needs to name those whom he is accusing or admit his deceit. He goes too far to not name them.

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I don't understand how something like this could be kept hidden from the public, but I also don't understand why anybody would make this up.

But there was a man in an old ward of mine who portrayed himself as ultra righteous. However, the man's wife caught him raping their 11 year old daughter. The girl had above-average intelligence and always seemed super happy. I guess people are really good at keeping horrible secrets.

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Tbone wrote: January 6th, 2018, 10:04 pm I don't understand how something like this could be kept hidden from the public, but I also don't understand why anybody would make this up.

But there was a man in an old ward of mine who portrayed himself as ultra righteous. However, the man's wife caught him raping their 11 year old daughter. The girl had above-average intelligence and always seemed super happy. I guess people are really good at keeping horrible secrets.
A good friend of mine wife had a very similar experience. Her family seemed very righteous. Yet her step father raped both her and her younger sister numerous times. And her mother helped keep those disgusting acts from seeing the light of day.
My friend wife didn’t even tell him tell after they were married for a few years at which point he helped her expose the man. Who by chance was facing charges for fondeling a minor in a hotel hot tub. If she hadn’t come forward he would have gotten away with that too.
Her mother defended her perverted husband right to the end when he went to prison. Even though she caught him making out and fondeling her daughters.

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Beyond horrific and evil if this is really true. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, because I know there are some very wicked people in this world and, unfortunately, there are innocent people who are victims of this evil. It's really hard to believe though.

One nit picky thing about his story is that he said it happened in a stake with boundaries of 700 E to 1300 E and 500 S to 1300 S and he grew up there in the 80's and 90's. I grew up in that same time period in the stake just east of that and the western boundary of my stake was 1100 E, so he has those stake boundaries somewhat off. It's a small thing that he could just not have remembered correctly, but it calls into question some of the story's accuracy for me. One of my best friends in high school though, was in that stake just west of me. I'll have to ask her if she's ever heard of anything like that in the area. Growing up just a few blocks east of where he indicated it was happening all over the place, I can't say I've ever heard of or experienced anything at all like this taking place. I guess that's how it's supposed to be when it's secret, but I'd think maybe I'd have heard of some kind of inkling. Maybe not.

If it's true though, may this man find safety and peace, and may the perpetrators be brought to justice so there are no further victims.

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some lds would become like nephites of old... then, the worst case scenario can think of might be the case where utahs stronghold of pedo rings have been kinda immuned/unaffected from the recent president trumps forces that busted/raided some rings abroad and home....and even that highest ga might have been elder mo...
... might be stranger than fiction.
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I know these things are hard to believe, but if you just concentrate on D&C section 1, the very first scriptures speak about how these secret acts of darkness shall be revealed by the Lord's servants.

They have to be reveled because in a fair trial you are shown your guilt and why you are sentenced. God is exposing our guilt. It started with pedo gate and is continuing on with Trump's executive order. Trump has known about this a long time. Kanye West started breaking programming and trying to tell people what is going in and how they are slaves. He was shut down, taken to the hospital and then he was rescued by Trump. It was clear to me he had been reprogrammed at the hospital.

Do you remember Trump oscillating between being nice and being critical of Hillary? It is because even though she has done evil things, he knows what kind of mind control crap she has been through. I was praying so hard for him during his 2nd debate and he finally got tough on her and said he would look into her situation if it needs prosecuting. The fact is, these people are in very miserable conditions.

Again, if you read Ether ch 8 and Mormon, you see that these things do happen and they end in destruction.

Why do we have so much mental illness and special needs kids? Did the boomers have schools full of special needs kids when you were young? In my high-school we have a whole section of the school dedicated to special needs and that was 10 years ago.

Don't you think all of this mind fracturing, electroshock, and rape doesn't take a toll on these kids? Like I show on my website, they pass off electroshock as a way of handling autistic and special needs kids. Folks, they are torturing your kids right under your noses.

I would like to see any adult survive what amounts to being tased in the head day after day.

The motivation to not believe is very strong. It just works in the interest of the secret combinations. What they do is so blatant. Go watch a Disney movie, or any movie for that matter. The movie "The stupids" show a scene of putting a photo in a computer. I had to do that as part of my programming to have a computer personality.

How many movies show someone being electrocuted as humor? How many movies, like Alvin and Chipmunks cartoons show one of the chipmunks spinning on the fan. That will trigger someone because they use spinning to program you as it forces you out of your body. I was put in the washing machine on spin cycle.

The evidence is nothing short of everywhere.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/featured/pa ... ourthouse/
Here you can see pictures explaining ritual abuse and the perpetrators where bird masks. I have flash-pictures of bird masks but I didn't believe them until they were validated by this.

Rudi Giuliani came out and said all of this was true and was shut down. He provided an email address and I responded. They told me their cgi tech was good enough they could replicate him on media saying whatever they needed. Hmm, who else would need this tech? Cough. Anti Christ. Cough. They said the cgi on The Force Awakens was purposely dumbed down because they can make it much more realistic than that.

Again, https://www.google.com/amp/s/vigilantci ... utube/amp/

Evidence in popular children's YouTube videos of bugs, eating feces, being cut open, being put in the dryer and other tactics used in satanic ritual abuse shown in these videos of children on YouTube.

Don't worry. Moroni saw us in our day. So let's get comfy and settle in for some nice words of encouragement directed at the members of the Holy church of God:

Mormon ch 8:

35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

39 Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick and the afflicted to pass by you, and notice them not?

40 Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain, and cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground, for vengeance upon your heads?

41 Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you; and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.

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I honestly don't doubt this kind of thing happens and there are many secret acts we know very little about and I'm sorry you have experienced such horrors. I can't even imagine what you and others have been through. I do wonder how agency plays into all of this. If people are being tortured and their minds are being fractured to the point they become torturers themselves but aren't even aware they are perpetrating such acts, how can they even be held accountable? I feel like at some point most people, even going through these horrible kinds of things, should have been able to consciously choose to go further into the darkness or turn to the light. Seems to me that it negates the atonement and agency if abusers have become that way without any choice in the matter.

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Tbone wrote: January 6th, 2018, 10:04 pm I don't understand how something like this could be kept hidden from the public, but I also don't understand why anybody would make this up.

But there was a man in an old ward of mine who portrayed himself as ultra righteous. However, the man's wife caught him raping their 11 year old daughter. The girl had above-average intelligence and always seemed super happy. I guess people are really good at keeping horrible secrets.
I have spoken to people who work with both survivors of sex trafficking as well as helping to bring the perpetrators to justice. Yes, it does happen in the USA and yes, many of the super-wealthy do live an "Eyes Wide Shut" double life.

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SAM wrote: January 7th, 2018, 7:59 am I honestly don't doubt this kind of thing happens and there are many secret acts we know very little about and I'm sorry you have experienced such horrors. I can't even imagine what you and others have been through. I do wonder how agency plays into all of this. If people are being tortured and their minds are being fractured to the point they become torturers themselves but aren't even aware they are perpetrating such acts, how can they even be held accountable? I feel like at some point most people, even going through these horrible kinds of things, should have been able to consciously choose to go further into the darkness or turn to the light. Seems to me that it negates the atonement and agency if abusers have become that way without any choice in the matter.
Very good point. And yet, examples of slavery are in the scriptures. Someone said in general conference that if you are not allowed to behave according to your morals, that is called bondage.

People are physically restrained all the time. Being mentally restrained happens too.

All my personalities had agency, but they didn't all have love. It isn't really fair to judge someone who has never seen the light. Luckily the Lord sent me friends who loved me and I saw the light. I saw that repentance was possible. Many of these people believe they will go to hell, it is too late, and they have no choice. It isn't true, but they can't conceive that they are worth being forgiven. Until they see the light they are trapped. Brainwashing is possible and it goes on all the time. When you tell your kids Santa is real, is it a lack of agency on their part for believing you? Not unless they are old enough and smart enough to figure out you were lying to them.

My personalities believed my handlers were god and fervently worshipped them until I figured out I didn't want to worship gods that didn't care about others. In that way, my idealistic intentions drove me to fight against what appeared to be the status quo.

But in my mind, my handlers had all power. I begged for Jesus to save me and he didn't. (Until now). As far as I was concerned, these handlers were stronger gods than Jesus. In fact during one programming session they made me think I was dead and God appeared and rejected me, leaving me totally hopeless to any possibility of love.


D&C 123:

It is an imperative duty that we owe to God, to angels, with whom we shall be brought to stand, and also to ourselves, to our wives and children, who have been made to bow down with grief, sorrow, and care, under the most damning hand of murder, tyranny, and oppression, supported and urged on and upheld by the influence of that spirit which hath so strongly riveted the creeds of the fathers, who have inherited lies, upon the hearts of the children, and filled the world with confusion, and has been growing stronger and stronger, and is now the very mainspring of all corruption, and the whole earth groans under the weight of its iniquity.

8 It is an iron yoke, it is a strong band; they are the very handcuffs, and chains, and shackles, and fetters of hell.

9 Therefore it is an imperative duty that we owe, not only to our own wives and children, but to the widows and fatherless, whose husbands and fathers have been murdered under its iron hand;

10 Which dark and blackening deeds are enough to make hell itself shudder, and to stand aghast and pale, and the hands of the very devil to tremble and palsy.

11 And also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising generation, and to all the pure in heart—

12 For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it—

13 Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven—

14 These should then be attended with great earnestness.

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The problem I have with this account is that he refuses to name names, especially of the high ranking LDS leaders. He even praises Catholics who have done this. Why on earth would he hold back on this? If they're after him, he has nothing to lose.
And it's for this reason that I don't believe him.

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Robin Hood wrote: January 7th, 2018, 2:21 pm The problem I have with this account is that he refuses to name names, especially of the high ranking LDS leaders. He even praises Catholics who have done this. Why on earth would he hold back on this? If they're after him, he has nothing to lose.
And it's for this reason that I don't believe him.
So if he named names, you would believe him? I'm sure for most of us, it would make us MORE inclined to NOT believe him.

However, it could be better for him. Would anyone care? Would anyone investigate? Would anyone hold anyone accountable?
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Juliet wrote:
SAM wrote: January 7th, 2018, 7:59 am I honestly don't doubt this kind of thing happens and there are many secret acts we know very little about and I'm sorry you have experienced such horrors. I can't even imagine what you and others have been through. I do wonder how agency plays into all of this. If people are being tortured and their minds are being fractured to the point they become torturers themselves but aren't even aware they are perpetrating such acts, how can they even be held accountable? I feel like at some point most people, even going through these horrible kinds of things, should have been able to consciously choose to go further into the darkness or turn to the light. Seems to me that it negates the atonement and agency if abusers have become that way without any choice in the matter.
Very good point. And yet, examples of slavery are in the scriptures. Someone said in general conference that if you are not allowed to behave according to your morals, that is called bondage.

People are physically restrained all the time. Being mentally restrained happens too.

All my personalities had agency, but they didn't all have love. It isn't really fair to judge someone who has never seen the light. Luckily the Lord sent me friends who loved me and I saw the light. I saw that repentance was possible. Many of these people believe they will go to hell, it is too late, and they have no choice. It isn't true, but they can't conceive that they are worth being forgiven. Until they see the light they are trapped. Brainwashing is possible and it goes on all the time. When you tell your kids Santa is real, is it a lack of agency on their part for believing you? Not unless they are old enough and smart enough to figure out you were lying to them.

My personalities believed my handlers were god and fervently worshipped them until I figured out I didn't want to worship gods that didn't care about others. In that way, my idealistic intentions drove me to fight against what appeared to be the status quo.

But in my mind, my handlers had all power. I begged for Jesus to save me and he didn't. (Until now). As far as I was concerned, these handlers were stronger gods than Jesus. In fact during one programming session they made me think I was dead and God appeared and rejected me, leaving me totally hopeless to any possibility of love.


D&C 123:

It is an imperative duty that we owe to God, to angels, with whom we shall be brought to stand, and also to ourselves, to our wives and children, who have been made to bow down with grief, sorrow, and care, under the most damning hand of murder, tyranny, and oppression, supported and urged on and upheld by the influence of that spirit which hath so strongly riveted the creeds of the fathers, who have inherited lies, upon the hearts of the children, and filled the world with confusion, and has been growing stronger and stronger, and is now the very mainspring of all corruption, and the whole earth groans under the weight of its iniquity.

8 It is an iron yoke, it is a strong band; they are the very handcuffs, and chains, and shackles, and fetters of hell.

9 Therefore it is an imperative duty that we owe, not only to our own wives and children, but to the widows and fatherless, whose husbands and fathers have been murdered under its iron hand;

10 Which dark and blackening deeds are enough to make hell itself shudder, and to stand aghast and pale, and the hands of the very devil to tremble and palsy.

11 And also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising generation, and to all the pure in heart—

12 For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it—

13 Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven—

14 These should then be attended with great earnestness.
Subconscious Manipulations:

It was discovered years ago that a person's attention span could be "stimulated" by changes in scenery frequently. You will notice that at least every 7 seconds in a Movie on media, the "scene" will be manipulated or changed to "control" the viewers attention. (This is why I fall asleep during Conference Talks. ;) ) Further, commercials do the same at a rate of at least once every 3 seconds. "Over-stimulation."

Too, there is a "limitation" in the visual, spectral bandwidth of "back-lighting" in modern-day, display devices that cause "fatigue" and dull perception. There is a tremendous difference between reading and receiving reflected "Sunlight" and "radiated," limited-spectrum, artificial lighting that is L.E.D. based. Subliminal manipulation is alive and well.

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This whole thing is bogus. So many things wrong with this "story" I will only point out a few:

Notice this line:

Predators frequently sought out positions of power within the Mormon church.


Not how the church works.

He also has an astonishing number of people who refuse to listen to him that should be willing to help. Also, why not leave Utah if this is true?

There are way to many conspirators in this story to be even remotely true. If it was true, naming names would bring safety not danger. Also, again, if this is a local conspiracy leaving would be safer than staying.

It does seem like a copy cat of the Glenn Pace memo.

It was written like an ad. You know the websites that just string you along hoping by the time you reach the price of the pitch: 'Not $1000 or even $100! But only $39.99!" you are so excited to buy the "book" or "bundle' that your brain will have shut off.

I believe these kinds of false accusations will continue to plague the church to try and dissuade people from even learning about the restored gospel and sift out those who do not have access to the Spirit themselves. The terrible part will be that the more of these false stories that are shared, the more plausible it will be to those outside the area. They will assume that volume of accusations equals truth.

This doesn't mean I believe there aren't wicked individuals in the church (and out of the church) who abuse others, but this seems to be hoping everyone knows a real life example of a bad person and will allow the new "story" to make them believe it is much more prevalent than it is in reality. A sort of amplifier of the real rare events to make them seem more sinister and systemic.

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JohnnyL wrote: January 7th, 2018, 2:57 pm
Robin Hood wrote: January 7th, 2018, 2:21 pm The problem I have with this account is that he refuses to name names, especially of the high ranking LDS leaders. He even praises Catholics who have done this. Why on earth would he hold back on this? If they're after him, he has nothing to lose.
And it's for this reason that I don't believe him.
So if he named names, you would believe him? I'm sure for most of us, it would make us MORE inclined to NOT believe him.

However, it could be better for him. Would anyone care? Would anyone investigate? Would anyone hold anyone accountable?
Look at what has happened in the Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, and even in Hollywood. So the the answer is yes, he would be believed and it would be thoroughly investigated. There has bever been a better time to come forward with information such as this.
The very fact that he can find the time to post all of this, while apparently in fear for his life, but won't walk into the local FBI office and spill the beans, or even name his abusers online and let law enforcement pick it up from there, suggests to me that this is all either deliberate fabrication or the false memories of an unstable mind.
He has nothing to lose if he names names except, of course, his credibility.
As the saying goes, he needs to put up or shut up.

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kinda remembers ted gunderson(1928 - 2011 ) mentioned uta ring somewhere youtubes, it was related to elizabeth smart case.
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