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Mitt Romney would romp to Senate victory over Jenny Wilson if election were held today

Majorities among GOP and independents favor Republican Mitt Romney, as does nearly 1 of 5 Democrats.

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Washington • If Mitt Romney wants a U.S. Senate seat, a new poll shows he’d be a shoo-in, grabbing 64 percent of the vote in Utah compared with 19 percent for Democrat Jenny Wilson.

A poll by The Salt Lake Tribune and the University of Utah’s Hinckley Institute of Politics found that should Romney run, the Republican and former Massachusetts governor who now lives in Utah would handily win the Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Orrin Hatch. Friends say he’s seriously considering a bid.

Some 85 percent of Republicans back Romney for the seat, as do 55 percent of voters who say they’re unaffiliated. Even 18 percent of Democrats say they’d support Romney.
“He will be a tough campaigner, but a lot can happen at the convention, and he also has to get signatures,” Jones said. “He rides very, very high.”

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Is the Ainge family still pining for a Mitt Romney presidency?

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/20 ... anny-ainge

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Fantastic plan! Romney does what Evan McMullin could not accomplish, runs for senate, uses it as a platform to run for president, splits the party and insures a Democrat wins. Seems like a Romney family tradition.

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Sen. Mike Lee confirms meeting with Mitt Romney about Senate candidacy

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According to Hatch's sources, Romney will formally announce his candidacy the second week of February.
(KUTV) - Senator Mike Lee, R-Utah, confirmed with KUTV 2News Anchor Heidi Hatch that he has met with former GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney and believes they'll be working together a year from now in Washington D.C.

"I anticipate Mitt Romney is probably going to run for the United States Senate for Senator Orrin Hatch's seat and from everything I have seen, if he does, he is very likely to be elected, and if that happens, I look forward to working with him," Lee said.
This should make conservatives happy.

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I wonder who is paying for those electronic billboard signs along I-15 thanking Orin Hatch for his service. I sure hope tax payer money is not being used for them. I don't want any of my money used for that purpose

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Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:15 pm
Fiannan wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:07 pm
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 10:20 am 70%. That is the expected percentage of those voting for Romney versus the other candidates. 70%.
Yeah, you've said that a lot. Have not mentioned why they should vote for him though, not really specifically. Do you agree with his support for women to choose abortion if they want, or do you support his stand to protect human life in the womb and reverse Roe v. Wade?

Oh, and again, have you had a chance to form an opinion on Evan McMullin? You could just go to his twitter page. He has 422 thousand followers which is pretty good and thus must make him righteous.
Utahns have vetted Romney, that is why he has 70% acceptance.
I disagree. Utahn's know candidate Romney. A carefully crafted image created with a pinch of the individual, a pound of rhetoric, and a ton of polls and marketing. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Mitt Romney is evil. I'm not judging his immortal soul. And maybe he is the best one can hope for in today's political climate and state of the world, but he is just a guy running for an office. (And I disagree wholeheartedly with the speculation from the Salt Lake Tribune you posted, I won't say never, God does work in mysterious ways, but I doubt he is about to be called as an apostle. I don't see in him the consistency one would hope for in an apostle, but I will let the Lord judge that.)

I have been involved in politics in Utah for the last, nearly 20 years. I've been a delegate. I have helped with campaigns. I've registered voters, talked with people, knocked on doors and pounded the pavement.

Most people in Utah vote for name recognition. Which is actually true for most people anywhere.

Do you know why you drive down the road and see sign after sign for the same person? When I use to put up signs, they told us that study show it is all about the number of times you see the persons name. At the convention, there are rules about when you can put up signs. They would have us show up early in the morning and wait, like a race, for the signal, then everybody runs to put up as many signs as they can both inside and outside. Gotta get the best spots.

A few years ago I unaffiliated with any party. I decided the only name I want to be known by is "a disciple of Christ."

It doesn't matter if 99.999999% of Utahns vote for Romney. The percentage of popularity can never be a test of right and wrong. Principles are the correct test of right and wrong.

Honestly, I can only blame people so much about their ignorance when it comes to candidates. Even as a delegate it was nearly impossible to get correct information. All the printed material for major candidates is really just generated by polls and marketers.

I remember one meeting for delegates, standing next to a candidate at the end of the evening as people came up and individually asked him questions. He seemed very friendly. He always asked first about the person:who they were, what they did, how did they feel. Then he would tell them what they wanted to hear. I literally heard him praise homeschoolers to one person and then demonize them to the next person in line (a public school teacher.) Luckily, he lost. But really, they are all the same in the major parties.

I did vote in the last general election, but it was for a man I really thought and hoped would do right, even though he had no real chance of winning. My conscience is clear on that count.

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Arenera wrote: January 24th, 2018, 7:44 am Mitt Romney would romp to Senate victory over Jenny Wilson if election were held today

Majorities among GOP and independents favor Republican Mitt Romney, as does nearly 1 of 5 Democrats.

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Washington • If Mitt Romney wants a U.S. Senate seat, a new poll shows he’d be a shoo-in, grabbing 64 percent of the vote in Utah compared with 19 percent for Democrat Jenny Wilson.

A poll by The Salt Lake Tribune and the University of Utah’s Hinckley Institute of Politics found that should Romney run, the Republican and former Massachusetts governor who now lives in Utah would handily win the Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Orrin Hatch. Friends say he’s seriously considering a bid.

Some 85 percent of Republicans back Romney for the seat, as do 55 percent of voters who say they’re unaffiliated. Even 18 percent of Democrats say they’d support Romney.
“He will be a tough campaigner, but a lot can happen at the convention, and he also has to get signatures,” Jones said. “He rides very, very high.”
I totally agree that he will probably run and win, but that is not the same as being the right guy for the job. Doesn't mean I should hand him my vote too.

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Arenera wrote: January 25th, 2018, 7:46 am Sen. Mike Lee confirms meeting with Mitt Romney about Senate candidacy

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According to Hatch's sources, Romney will formally announce his candidacy the second week of February.
(KUTV) - Senator Mike Lee, R-Utah, confirmed with KUTV 2News Anchor Heidi Hatch that he has met with former GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney and believes they'll be working together a year from now in Washington D.C.

"I anticipate Mitt Romney is probably going to run for the United States Senate for Senator Orrin Hatch's seat and from everything I have seen, if he does, he is very likely to be elected, and if that happens, I look forward to working with him," Lee said.
This should make conservatives happy.
That is not exactly a rousing endorsement.

He basically said, "If all those things happen, and they probably will, I'll be a good sport."

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Fiannan wrote: January 24th, 2018, 8:07 am Image
WORLD DOMINATION! BWAHAHA! (in a supervillian voice)

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Michelle wrote: January 25th, 2018, 9:55 am
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:15 pm
Fiannan wrote: January 18th, 2018, 12:07 pm
Arenera wrote: January 18th, 2018, 10:20 am 70%. That is the expected percentage of those voting for Romney versus the other candidates. 70%.
Yeah, you've said that a lot. Have not mentioned why they should vote for him though, not really specifically. Do you agree with his support for women to choose abortion if they want, or do you support his stand to protect human life in the womb and reverse Roe v. Wade?

Oh, and again, have you had a chance to form an opinion on Evan McMullin? You could just go to his twitter page. He has 422 thousand followers which is pretty good and thus must make him righteous.
Utahns have vetted Romney, that is why he has 70% acceptance.
I disagree. Utahn's know candidate Romney. A carefully crafted image created with a pinch of the individual, a pound of rhetoric, and a ton of polls and marketing. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Mitt Romney is evil. I'm not judging his immortal soul. And maybe he is the best one can hope for in today's political climate and state of the world, but he is just a guy running for an office. (And I disagree wholeheartedly with the speculation from the Salt Lake Tribune you posted, I won't say never, God does work in mysterious ways, but I doubt he is about to be called as an apostle. I don't see in him the consistency one would hope for in an apostle, but I will let the Lord judge that.)

I have been involved in politics in Utah for the last, nearly 20 years. I've been a delegate. I have helped with campaigns. I've registered voters, talked with people, knocked on doors and pounded the pavement.

Most people in Utah vote for name recognition. Which is actually true for most people anywhere.

Do you know why you drive down the road and see sign after sign for the same person? When I use to put up signs, they told us that study show it is all about the number of times you see the persons name. At the convention, there are rules about when you can put up signs. They would have us show up early in the morning and wait, like a race, for the signal, then everybody runs to put up as many signs as they can both inside and outside. Gotta get the best spots.

A few years ago I unaffiliated with any party. I decided the only name I want to be known by is "a disciple of Christ."

It doesn't matter if 99.999999% of Utahns vote for Romney. The percentage of popularity can never be a test of right and wrong. Principles are the correct test of right and wrong.

Honestly, I can only blame people so much about their ignorance when it comes to candidates. Even as a delegate it was nearly impossible to get correct information. All the printed material for major candidates is really just generated by polls and marketers.

I remember one meeting for delegates, standing next to a candidate at the end of the evening as people came up and individually asked him questions. He seemed very friendly. He always asked first about the person:who they were, what they did, how did they feel. Then he would tell them what they wanted to hear. I literally heard him praise homeschoolers to one person and then demonize them to the next person in line (a public school teacher.) Luckily, he lost. But really, they are all the same in the major parties.

I did vote in the last general election, but it was for a man I really thought and hoped would do right, even though he had no real chance of winning. My conscience is clear on that count.

I don't consider Mitt Romney to be an evil and conspiring man either. I have met him and some of his family and they are nice people. I think Mitt is just a product of his environment and the culture of political thought in our day. That culture frames the debate and argument in such a way as to totally exclude what true constitutional principles even mean in todays political field. Today's politics doesnt even take into consideration the absolute free fall that we as a nation have experienced from what the founders of this nation invisioned. We have become everything that they warned against. Unconstitutional policies and principles rule the day. If you stand for the elimination of unconstitutional principles and programs in govt you are brushed aside as a Martian not even of this planet. Read An Enemy hath done this by Pres Benson. Very powerful lobbying forces with socialist leaning agendas have now framed the arguments of todays political arena. I think the Prophets of times past have referred to it as blinded by the craftiness of men. The spoils created by gadianton devotees and disciples are so all consuming and intertwined in the fabric of society that is is near impossible for most anyone to avoid them outright. The education system and the media and business preach Babylon and its system in all aspects of society. Why would anyone be surprised to see any politician fall for that line? It has become the norm in how Govt of 2018 works. That is why the system set up through these Babylonian principles must fall and Zions righteous principles of true constitutional govt will replace it for those who chose to live under Messianic reign. Until then, Babylon will rule the day and the constitution and its principles will just be an empty soundbite given by politicians but never really intended to be abided by. Mitt is really no different than most any other who want to play in that arena. If you want to get elected the last thing you do is invoke a return to a constitutionally inspired govt. People will laugh you off the stage. You will get about as many votes as Lundbaek got when he ran for office. Crap some of your own family might not even support you if they think you are taking away their spoils. :D

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Mitt Romney making plans to launch Senate bid as early as next week

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Romney has remained extremely popular in Utah since taking over the embattled Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Games nearly two decades ago. He easily won the state in the 2012 presidential election. He ran a failed campaign for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts in 1994.

Democratic Salt Lake County Councilwoman Jenny Wilson has been campaigning for Hatch’s seat since last summer.

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Arenera wrote: January 25th, 2018, 3:00 pm Mitt Romney making plans to launch Senate bid as early as next week

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Romney has remained extremely popular in Utah since taking over the embattled Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Games nearly two decades ago. He easily won the state in the 2012 presidential election. He ran a failed campaign for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts in 1994.

Democratic Salt Lake County Councilwoman Jenny Wilson has been campaigning for Hatch’s seat since last summer.
Are you on the Romney cheerleading squad? I could see you on the street corner in your local town standing in front of a Romney sign in a cheerleading uniform with Pom poms Jumping around.
But unfortunately only 1% of people in the Usa agree with you.

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Ezra wrote: January 25th, 2018, 3:27 pm
Arenera wrote: January 25th, 2018, 3:00 pm Mitt Romney making plans to launch Senate bid as early as next week

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Romney has remained extremely popular in Utah since taking over the embattled Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Games nearly two decades ago. He easily won the state in the 2012 presidential election. He ran a failed campaign for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts in 1994.

Democratic Salt Lake County Councilwoman Jenny Wilson has been campaigning for Hatch’s seat since last summer.
Are you on the Romney cheerleading squad? I could see you on the street corner in your local town standing in front of a Romney sign in a cheerleading uniform with Pom poms Jumping around.
But unfortunately only 1% of people in the Usa agree with you.
Romney served a mission in France for 2.5 years. Romney saved the 2002 Winter Olympics, helping Utah and the USA.

Expectations are Romney would become Senator with 64%+ of the vote.

It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

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CelestialAngel wrote: January 25th, 2018, 5:03 pm I would never want to be a politician. Everyone hates you and demands you be perfect or they will tear you and your family down. No thanks. I'd rather be a nobody.
Most of us are voting nobodies!

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CelestialAngel wrote: January 25th, 2018, 5:03 pm I would never want to be a politician. Everyone hates you and demands you be perfect or they will tear you and your family down. No thanks. I'd rather be a nobody.
So that begs the question what is mentally wrong with Mitt Romney and his political ambitions?

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Arenera wrote: January 25th, 2018, 3:50 pm
Ezra wrote: January 25th, 2018, 3:27 pm
Arenera wrote: January 25th, 2018, 3:00 pm Mitt Romney making plans to launch Senate bid as early as next week

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Romney has remained extremely popular in Utah since taking over the embattled Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Games nearly two decades ago. He easily won the state in the 2012 presidential election. He ran a failed campaign for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts in 1994.

Democratic Salt Lake County Councilwoman Jenny Wilson has been campaigning for Hatch’s seat since last summer.
Are you on the Romney cheerleading squad? I could see you on the street corner in your local town standing in front of a Romney sign in a cheerleading uniform with Pom poms Jumping around.
But unfortunately only 1% of people in the Usa agree with you.
Romney served a mission in France for 2.5 years. Romney saved the 2002 Winter Olympics, helping Utah and the USA.

Expectations are Romney would become Senator with 64%+ of the vote.

It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
He won’t run is how it will turn out.


Can you do the spilts?

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I won't vote for Romney. We need somebody on the Trump train.

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CelestialAngel wrote: January 25th, 2018, 5:03 pm I would never want to be a politician. Everyone hates you and demands you be perfect or they will tear you and your family down. No thanks. I'd rather be a nobody.
Most politicians are either malignant narcissists or outright psychopaths. It's true, even the Mormon ones. The difference is the narcissist actually cares about what people think about them while the psychopath doesn't really.

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I heard on the news that Romney is planning to collect signatures in order to ensure his place on the ballot. This bypasses the caucus system, which would have been the only reasonable chance to keep him out. Our sitting Governor, who won reelection in a landslide in the general election, actually lost to his more conservative opponent in the primary. He was able to advance though, because he didn't lose by enough, and also because he collected signatures, which meant he would advance regardless of the primary results. He could have gotten zero votes in the primary and still advanced to the general. This is what Romney is doing because he knows the more conservative Utahns won't vote for him.

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Arenera, In trying to make your case for supporting Mitt Romney you have failed to show that he understands the principles of the US Constitution, and that he is aware of his responsibility as a Latter-day Saint to uphold and abide by it.

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lundbaek wrote: January 26th, 2018, 8:41 am Arenera, In trying to make your case for supporting Mitt Romney you have failed to show that he understands the principles of the US Constitution, and that he is aware of his responsibility as a Latter-day Saint to uphold and abide by it.
I’m not trying to use your position to justify Romney.

Support for Romney is high in Utah, well over the threshold that most candidates have.

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The high support for Romney in Utah, and here in Arizona for that matter, does not speak well for LDS voters in general.

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lundbaek wrote: January 26th, 2018, 9:10 am The high support for Romney in Utah, and here in Arizona for that matter, does not speak well for LDS voters in general.
I’m a Mormon. I like Mormons. Mormons seem to represent in the political process and positions greater than the % to population.

My light analysis doesn’t agree with your position, but I think it is great that you have taken the time to study and have a position.

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