Hatch to Retire - Possible Senator Romney?

[Michelle]

One wonders Arenera's agenda. He/she does not really address the issues presented but just repeats the wonders and awe of Mitt Romney.

I've seen this pattern in Arenera before.

It seems appropriate that her (I think, her) name is a palindrome. She just goes back and forth over the same points again and again without assimilating the new info provided or addressing why she disagrees with argument provided.

Why does she think Mitt Romney should win? Insert his resume and appeal to popularity, then follow up by appealing to popularity and inserting his resume. (Even though his resume does not qualify him for the job since it lacks, as pointed out, and understanding of the Constitution. And popularity has nothing to do with being fit for office.)

[Arenera]

One wonders Arenera's agenda. He/she does not really address the issues presented but just repeats the wonders and awe of Mitt Romney.

I've seen this pattern in Arenera before.

It seems appropriate that her (I think, her) name is a palindrome. She just goes back and forth over the same points again and again without assimilating the new info provided or addressing why she disagrees with argument provided.

Why does she think Mitt Romney should win? Insert his resume and appeal to popularity, then follow up by appealing to popularity and inserting his resume. (Even though his resume does not qualify him for the job since it lacks, as pointed out, and understanding of the Constitution. And popularity has nothing to do with being fit for office.)

Well, if Romney runs, 64%+ of Utahns will vote for him. I don’t make that up, everyone else does.

I have listened to what you propose, I have read the scriptures in context. You haven’t changed my mind. Do you think people change their mind when they are mocked, called names, told the apostles disagree with them?

What did Christ say:

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Do you dislike me because I have a different opinion than yours?

You can dislike Romney all you want. What are you going to do if Romney runs? Do you think what you propose will knock the 64%+ down?

[Michelle]

One wonders Arenera's agenda. He/she does not really address the issues presented but just repeats the wonders and awe of Mitt Romney.

I've seen this pattern in Arenera before.

It seems appropriate that her (I think, her) name is a palindrome. She just goes back and forth over the same points again and again without assimilating the new info provided or addressing why she disagrees with argument provided.

Why does she think Mitt Romney should win? Insert his resume and appeal to popularity, then follow up by appealing to popularity and inserting his resume. (Even though his resume does not qualify him for the job since it lacks, as pointed out, and understanding of the Constitution. And popularity has nothing to do with being fit for office.)

Well, if Romney runs, 64%+ of Utahns will vote for him. I don’t make that up, everyone else does.

I have listened to what you propose, I have read the scriptures in context. You haven’t changed my mind. Do you think people change their mind when they are mocked, called names, told the apostles disagree with them?

What did Christ say:

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Do you dislike me because I have a different opinion than yours?

You can dislike Romney all you want. What are you going to do if Romney runs? Do you think what you propose will knock the 64%+ down?

I don't dislike you. I just don't want you to lead others astray.

Ezra made a great point, unless you are willing to awaken the secret combinations that have acted upon, and are now acting upon, our government and culture, and yes members of the church, there is little that can be done to help you.

Take Ezra's suggestion (I think it was his) to find out about even just the Federal Reserve and its origins. I think, if you do , that it will lead you to see more clearly.

[Ezra]

I don't think Ezra is sowing seeds only on hard ground. I think all of us freedom fighters are getting thru to many if not most of the viewers that read our posts. I think we are planting seeds and watering sprouts among those future "elders of Israel" who will, after the cleansing, be prepared to restore wholesome principles to our government.

He was referring to Arenera as being hard ground. But I do like a challenge.

I also hope Arenera will start listening to our past prophets.

We can’t just have a narrow view based on our own beliefs or feelings. We have to be open to the bigger picture.

Otherwise we will only see a small portion and think it to be the whole thing when it’s far from it and in doing so fail to see the path we must take to return to our father.

[Arenera]

One wonders Arenera's agenda. He/she does not really address the issues presented but just repeats the wonders and awe of Mitt Romney.

I've seen this pattern in Arenera before.

It seems appropriate that her (I think, her) name is a palindrome. She just goes back and forth over the same points again and again without assimilating the new info provided or addressing why she disagrees with argument provided.

Why does she think Mitt Romney should win? Insert his resume and appeal to popularity, then follow up by appealing to popularity and inserting his resume. (Even though his resume does not qualify him for the job since it lacks, as pointed out, and understanding of the Constitution. And popularity has nothing to do with being fit for office.)

Well, if Romney runs, 64%+ of Utahns will vote for him. I don’t make that up, everyone else does.

I have listened to what you propose, I have read the scriptures in context. You haven’t changed my mind. Do you think people change their mind when they are mocked, called names, told the apostles disagree with them?

What did Christ say:

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Do you dislike me because I have a different opinion than yours?

You can dislike Romney all you want. What are you going to do if Romney runs? Do you think what you propose will knock the 64%+ down?

I don't dislike you. I just don't want you to lead others astray.

Ezra made a great point, unless you are willing to awaken the secret combinations that have acted upon, and are now acting upon, our government and culture, and yes members of the church, there is little that can be done to help you.

Take Ezra's suggestion (I think it was his) to find out about even just the Federal Reserve and its origins. I think, if you do , that it will lead you to see more clearly.

In one of my posts, I listed Ether 8. In context, it is about murderous secret combinations, that kill people, including saints, or covenant people. What about Russia, China, North Korea, Iran?

Of the voting population, where does replacing the Federal Reserve fall in their priorities? What will be the priorities for voting this fall? Did Trump say anything about the Federal Reserve in the SOTU?

[Ezra]

I've seen this pattern in Arenera before.

It seems appropriate that her (I think, her) name is a palindrome. She just goes back and forth over the same points again and again without assimilating the new info provided or addressing why she disagrees with argument provided.

Why does she think Mitt Romney should win? Insert his resume and appeal to popularity, then follow up by appealing to popularity and inserting his resume. (Even though his resume does not qualify him for the job since it lacks, as pointed out, and understanding of the Constitution. And popularity has nothing to do with being fit for office.)

Well, if Romney runs, 64%+ of Utahns will vote for him. I don’t make that up, everyone else does.

I have listened to what you propose, I have read the scriptures in context. You haven’t changed my mind. Do you think people change their mind when they are mocked, called names, told the apostles disagree with them?

What did Christ say:

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Do you dislike me because I have a different opinion than yours?

You can dislike Romney all you want. What are you going to do if Romney runs? Do you think what you propose will knock the 64%+ down?

I don't dislike you. I just don't want you to lead others astray.

Ezra made a great point, unless you are willing to awaken the secret combinations that have acted upon, and are now acting upon, our government and culture, and yes members of the church, there is little that can be done to help you.

Take Ezra's suggestion (I think it was his) to find out about even just the Federal Reserve and its origins. I think, if you do , that it will lead you to see more clearly.

In one of my posts, I listed Ether 8. In context, it is about murderous secret combinations, that kill people, including saints, or covenant people. What about Russia, China, North Korea, Iran?

Of the voting population, where does replacing the Federal Reserve fall in their priorities? What will be the priorities for voting this fall? Did Trump say anything about the Federal Reserve in the SOTU?

And as I posted our prophet Joseph fielding smith pointed out that Satan who is in control of his secret combinations are in control of all governments of all lands. We are not exempt.

Yes the secret combinations are working in other countries as well. But where is Satan going to focus his efforts? On the nation that if they stood together could beat him. The USA. Who is still experiencing the freedoms our constitution through god establishment affords us. Even though it’s being dismantled piece by piece by Satan and his secret combinations.

Satan will use other countries to destroy what god has created as well. But you have to remember that Satan wants us to destroy ourselves through carefully and gently getting us to dismantle our freedoms. By carefully getting us to choose bondage (taxation and socialism) he wants us to dig our own graves. He would rather it be from our own hand we destroy our freedoms so that we will be judged more harshly for it.

[Arenera]

And as I posted our prophet Joseph fielding smith pointed out that Satan who is in control of his secret combinations are in control of all governments of all lands. We are not exempt.

Yes the secret combinations are working in other countries as well. But where is Satan going to focus his efforts? On the nation that if they stood together could beat him. The USA. Who is still experiencing the freedoms our constitution through god establishment affords us. Even though it’s being dismantled piece by piece by Satan and his secret combinations.

Satan will use other countries to destroy what god has created as well. But you have to remember that Satan wants us to destroy ourselves through carefully and gently getting us to dismantle our freedoms. By carefully getting us to choose bondage (taxation and socialism) he wants us to dig our own graves. He would rather it be from our own hand we destroy our freedoms so that we will be judged more harshly for it.

What does President Nelson say? (The Price of Priesthood Power)

You want to be judged harshly? Are you going to get smacked because of the Federal Reserve?

It seems like the Republicans are being more conservative, isn't that a good thing?

[Ezra]

And as I posted our prophet Joseph fielding smith pointed out that Satan who is in control of his secret combinations are in control of all governments of all lands. We are not exempt.

Yes the secret combinations are working in other countries as well. But where is Satan going to focus his efforts? On the nation that if they stood together could beat him. The USA. Who is still experiencing the freedoms our constitution through god establishment affords us. Even though it’s being dismantled piece by piece by Satan and his secret combinations.

Satan will use other countries to destroy what god has created as well. But you have to remember that Satan wants us to destroy ourselves through carefully and gently getting us to dismantle our freedoms. By carefully getting us to choose bondage (taxation and socialism) he wants us to dig our own graves. He would rather it be from our own hand we destroy our freedoms so that we will be judged more harshly for it.

What does President Nelson say? (The Price of Priesthood Power)

You want to be judged harshly? Are you going to get smacked because of the Federal Reserve?

It seems like the Republicans are being more conservative, isn't that a good thing?

What did he say?? Nothing about the federal reserve. Nothing about getting smacked by the federal reserve. So not really seeing what your trying to get across.

But if you fear the federal reserve more then god you must really get your priorities straight.

[Arenera]

And as I posted our prophet Joseph fielding smith pointed out that Satan who is in control of his secret combinations are in control of all governments of all lands. We are not exempt.

Yes the secret combinations are working in other countries as well. But where is Satan going to focus his efforts? On the nation that if they stood together could beat him. The USA. Who is still experiencing the freedoms our constitution through god establishment affords us. Even though it’s being dismantled piece by piece by Satan and his secret combinations.

Satan will use other countries to destroy what god has created as well. But you have to remember that Satan wants us to destroy ourselves through carefully and gently getting us to dismantle our freedoms. By carefully getting us to choose bondage (taxation and socialism) he wants us to dig our own graves. He would rather it be from our own hand we destroy our freedoms so that we will be judged more harshly for it.

What does President Nelson say? (The Price of Priesthood Power)

You want to be judged harshly? Are you going to get smacked because of the Federal Reserve?

It seems like the Republicans are being more conservative, isn't that a good thing?

What did he say?? Nothing about the federal reserve. Nothing about getting smacked by the federal reserve. So not really seeing what your trying to get across.

But if you fear the federal reserve more then god you must really get your priorities straight.

Who is going to judge us harshly?

[Fiannan]

In one of my posts, I listed Ether 8. In context, it is about murderous secret combinations, that kill people, including saints, or covenant people. What about Russia, China, North Korea, Iran?

You sound like a neo-conservative. Is that what you feel as well?

Why the hatred towards Russia? Ever been to Russia or do you just listen to neo-cons?

[Ezra]

And as I posted our prophet Joseph fielding smith pointed out that Satan who is in control of his secret combinations are in control of all governments of all lands. We are not exempt.

Yes the secret combinations are working in other countries as well. But where is Satan going to focus his efforts? On the nation that if they stood together could beat him. The USA. Who is still experiencing the freedoms our constitution through god establishment affords us. Even though it’s being dismantled piece by piece by Satan and his secret combinations.

Satan will use other countries to destroy what god has created as well. But you have to remember that Satan wants us to destroy ourselves through carefully and gently getting us to dismantle our freedoms. By carefully getting us to choose bondage (taxation and socialism) he wants us to dig our own graves. He would rather it be from our own hand we destroy our freedoms so that we will be judged more harshly for it.

What does President Nelson say? (The Price of Priesthood Power)

You want to be judged harshly? Are you going to get smacked because of the Federal Reserve?

It seems like the Republicans are being more conservative, isn't that a good thing?

What did he say?? Nothing about the federal reserve. Nothing about getting smacked by the federal reserve. So not really seeing what your trying to get across.

But if you fear the federal reserve more then god you must really get your priorities straight.

Who is going to judge us harshly?

Are you asking because you don’t know who is to be our judge?

[Arenera]

What does President Nelson say? (The Price of Priesthood Power)

You want to be judged harshly? Are you going to get smacked because of the Federal Reserve?

It seems like the Republicans are being more conservative, isn't that a good thing?

What did he say?? Nothing about the federal reserve. Nothing about getting smacked by the federal reserve. So not really seeing what your trying to get across.

But if you fear the federal reserve more then god you must really get your priorities straight.

Who is going to judge us harshly?

Are you asking because you don’t know who is to be our judge?

I think, in my opinion, that you are putting together a very strict set of rules that you consider will be used against us at the judgement day.

As far as dealing with the future, President Nelson gave recommendations on how to prepare. Read “The Price of Priesthood Power”. He did not mention the constitution, what party to be in, or who to vote for.

In Mosiah 26, we read:
22 For behold, this is my church; whosoever is baptized shall be baptized unto repentance. And whomsoever ye receive shall believe in my name; and him will I freely forgive.

30 Yea, and as often as my people repent will I forgive them their trespasses against me.

Also I have mentioned being covenant people, 2 Nephi 30:
2 For behold, I say unto you that as many of the Gentiles as will repent are the covenant people of the Lord; and as many of the Jews as will not repent shall be cast off; for the Lord covenanteth with none save it be with them that repent and believe in his Son, who is the Holy One of Israel.

I’m happy to be part of the covenant people. Most of Utah is in this category. I’m happy that we can repent and Christ will forgive us.

I’m happy for people to be part of whatever party they choose. I’m happy that they can vote for the candidate of their choice, that can be different from the candidate i vote for.

If you want to prepare for the future, I recommend reading The Price of Priesthood Power.

If you want to say you are one of the few, and I am not, that is up to you. If doesn’t matter to me because I interpret the scriptures differently. Just my opinion.

[lundbaek]

I think that Arenera may be on pretty safe ground because it seems that her unawareness of the special importance of the United States Constitution and the dangers of the secret combinations that Nephi (ben Lehi), Moroni, President Benson,President Packer, and a few others warned us about may not be her fault. I have put some effort into finding out why these subjects seem to have been muzzled for around 30 years, except for the occasional mention in a setting where only a relatively few people are aware of it, like in a KSLRadio interview or in an Ensign article. I have stated these reasons elsewhere on LDSFF. My guess is that in our ward or stake 64%, or more like 95% of the members would react to this discussion the same as she has. Interesting, that the late H. Verlan Andersen wrote much about this in his book MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN, a book that was recommended, along with 3 others, in the April 1972 General Conference, and later, in 2006, I heard the copyright holder say he was told by a "Church authority" he would not identify to discontinue publishing that book. One can read the book on line via Google, although I would not recommend doing so if you do not want the responsibility that would come with the knowledge of the book's contents.

[Chip]

Lundbaek, not to say you suppose such, but I don't buy for a minute that people would be advised not to read H. Verlan Andersen's books because it would jeopardize them with increased accountability which they couldn't handle. Since when does God coddle people and keep them as children who stand less a chance of ever growing up? Now, man will have his rationale for such an advisement, but it's apologetic sophistry to suggest God would do such a thing. That's a "fear of man" move, if there ever was one. We're not here to be dumb cattle. We can't wrestle against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, if we are ignorant.

[lundbaek]

When I heard Hans V. Andersen Jr. tell us that he had been advised by a Church authority (who he declined to identify) to discontinue publishing MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN I asked what reason he was given. Brother Andersen told us that he was not given a reason. From there I tried to ferret out the reasons why that particular book was muzzled and also why the Church leadership was no longer promoting the principles of the Constitution and awareness of the secret combination(s) destroying our country and Constitution. Without divulging who said what, I'll simply say that the reasons given me by local Church leaders and a few other LDSs who had been active in the freedom battle were these:

1.) Discussion of these things has and can lead to excessive controversy and contention among members.

2.) Discussion of these concerns by Church authorities can "tweak the nose of the beast" and provoke retribution that will disrupt Church missionary and building programs, among other things.

3.) My idea that promotion of these things would endanger some members with increased accountability which they couldn't handle is a result of discussing (or trying to discuss) these things with some of the members of the Church that I associate with on a regular basis.

I'd like to hear from other forum members who may have interest in or concern about the silencing of these topics.

[EmmaLee]

You are correct, lundbaek. It is the same reason the Lord taught in parables, and it's why there are many layers in the scriptures and in the things taught in the temple.

[EmmaLee]

Along those lines, lundbaek, here is an excerpt from a talk Elder Christofferson gave that may apply to what you were saying -

"Always remember, as holiness grows within and you are entrusted with greater knowledge and understanding, you must treat these things with care. The Lord said, “That which cometh from above is sacred, and must be spoken with care, and by constraint of the Spirit” (D&C 63:64). He also commanded that we must not cast pearls before swine or give that which is holy to dogs (see 3 Ne. 14:6; D&C 41:6), meaning sacred things should not be discussed with those who are not prepared to appreciate their value.

Be wise with what the Lord gives you. It is a trust. You would not, for example, share the content of your patriarchal blessing with just anyone.

All things sacred and holy are to be revealed and brought together in this last and most wonderful dispensation. With the Restoration of the gospel, the Church, and the priesthood of Jesus Christ, we hold an almost incomprehensible store of sacred things in our hands. We cannot neglect or let them slip away." https://www.lds.org/liahona/2006/06/a-s ... d?lang=eng

In Matthew, it says the same thing, but goes on to say that anyone who seeketh, will find - so there is no excuse for not knowing these things you are talking about.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

[Arenera]

Mitt Romney says he’ll announce Feb. 15 on the Senate race

Source

By Thomas Burr

Washington • Mitt Romney said Thursday that he’ll announce whether he will run for the Senate on Feb. 15, adding fuel to the speculation that he’ll seek Sen. Orrin Hatch’s seat.

“Looking forward to making an announcement on February 15th about the Utah Senate race,” Romney tweeted Thursday afternoon.

Romney, a former Massachusetts governor and presidential candidate who now lives in Utah, is considering a bid for the Senate now that Hatch has said he won’t seek re-election.

[Ezra]

What did he say?? Nothing about the federal reserve. Nothing about getting smacked by the federal reserve. So not really seeing what your trying to get across.

But if you fear the federal reserve more then god you must really get your priorities straight.

Who is going to judge us harshly?

Are you asking because you don’t know who is to be our judge?

I think, in my opinion, that you are putting together a very strict set of rules that you consider will be used against us at the judgement day.

As far as dealing with the future, President Nelson gave recommendations on how to prepare. Read “The Price of Priesthood Power”. He did not mention the constitution, what party to be in, or who to vote for.

In Mosiah 26, we read:
22 For behold, this is my church; whosoever is baptized shall be baptized unto repentance. And whomsoever ye receive shall believe in my name; and him will I freely forgive.

30 Yea, and as often as my people repent will I forgive them their trespasses against me.

Also I have mentioned being covenant people, 2 Nephi 30:
2 For behold, I say unto you that as many of the Gentiles as will repent are the covenant people of the Lord; and as many of the Jews as will not repent shall be cast off; for the Lord covenanteth with none save it be with them that repent and believe in his Son, who is the Holy One of Israel.

I’m happy to be part of the covenant people. Most of Utah is in this category. I’m happy that we can repent and Christ will forgive us.

I’m happy for people to be part of whatever party they choose. I’m happy that they can vote for the candidate of their choice, that can be different from the candidate i vote for.

If you want to prepare for the future, I recommend reading The Price of Priesthood Power.

If you want to say you are one of the few, and I am not, that is up to you. If doesn’t matter to me because I interpret the scriptures differently. Just my opinion.

Your opinion is not scriptural based.

2 Nephi 28:30 says that if we don’t listen to our prophets the lord will stop speaking on those topics. Ezra taft benson and others have also said the same things in conference talk. And it has been happening. And the scriptures also say we will be judged by all that our past and currently prophets say as well as writing from other inspired people’s from around the world.

The scriptures tell of the same things that right befor the destruction of a wicked people the prophets who tried to warn them stopped the warning and reverted back to only speaking on the basic parts of the gospel. Hope love and charity.

Our prophets have warned us as a people from the time of Joseph Smith on down. They have stopped the warnings almost entirely. They no longer talk about many subjects like politics the constitution food storage and many others.

You can turn a blind eye to it. But that’s the patten that happened in the scriptures with the nephites as well And why the warning about the thinking that all is well in Zion ya Zion prosperith. Why the scriptures warn or many lds being called and few lds being chosen.

People don’t take it seriously. In my opinion like you. And our prophets are not being allowed to speak on it. The spirit is restraining them. Like it did so many time in the Book of Mormon to the prophets writing it at the time. Like our prophets said it would be like the scriptures say it will be.

[lundbaek]

And members of the Church generally certainly rejected the counsel to learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Constitution as it was intended to be understood, and also ignored the warnings about those secret combinations which they/we were told "SHALL" be among us. I think we are now being left to our own selves to discover these things and make our own preparations for dealing with the results of our inactions.

[Arenera]

No offense, the Constitution is not part of the standard works. As mormons in the US, we like the Constitution. As 1.8% of the populace, we can’t change any changes that have been made to it.

Our leaders have encouraged us to be active in politics, understand the issues, and vote. The Mormons I know vote.

I am interested in how you discover all these combinations, publish it, and prepare for dealing with them.

[larsenb]

No offense, the Constitution is not part of the standard works. As mormons in the US, we like the Constitution. As 1.8% of the populace, we can’t change any changes that have been made to it.

Our leaders have encouraged us to be active in politics, understand the issues, and vote. The Mormons I know vote.

I am interested in how you discover all these combinations, publish it, and prepare for dealing with them.

Pres. Benson basically identified them; and gave excellent starting points for further investigation.

[lundbaek]

The Lord said that He established the Constitution. I suggest you learn its principles in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, as President Benson said we MUST, even though he said that back in 1987. But I guess that some people have to be constantly commanded in all things.

[Arenera]

The Book of Mormon, What would your life be like without it?

My brothers and sisters, how precious is the Book of Mormon to you? If you were offered diamonds or rubies or the Book of Mormon, which would you choose? Honestly, which is of greater worth to you?

Remember in the Sunday morning session of the April 2017 general conference, President Thomas S. Monson pleaded with “each of us to prayerfully study and ponder the Book of Mormon each day.” Many have responded to our prophet’s plea.

[Michelle]

No offense, the Constitution is not part of the standard works. As mormons in the US, we like the Constitution. As 1.8% of the populace, we can’t change any changes that have been made to it.

Our leaders have encouraged us to be active in politics, understand the issues, and vote. The Mormons I know vote.

I am interested in how you discover all these combinations, publish it, and prepare for dealing with them.

The Doctrine and Covenants is part of the standard works. It mentions the specifically the Constitution of the United States of America and makes it clear that Lord both established it and wants it to be established forever. Not just something LDS in the US "like" but truly from God.

Doctrine and Covenants 101:77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

78 That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.

79 Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.

Doctrine and Covenants 109:54 Have mercy, O Lord, upon all the nations of the earth; have mercy upon the rulers of our land; may those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/const ... ang=eng#p1

Constitution
See also Government; Law

In the Doctrine and Covenants, “the Constitution” refers to the Constitution of the United States of America, which was divinely inspired in order to prepare the way for the Restoration of the gospel.

Constitutional law should be befriended, D&C 98:5–6.

The Lord caused the Constitution to be established, D&C 101:77, 80.

(I don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll just answer the secret combinations question once on this thread. You can start another thread if you are curious to learn more.)

As for secret combinations. Many are hiding in plain sight. Have you ever read a UN Agenda? It's like the bad guy in a movie monologuing to the superhero his "brilliant but evil plan."

Here are a couple to get you started (notice the web addresses, these are the actual UN documents):

AGENDA 21
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/c ... enda21.pdf

AGENDA 2030
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/p ... ngourworld

You can also google and learn about ICLEI cities. We have some in Utah.

They don't hide their intent. It is only secret in some cases because people refuse to look. (Well, and sometimes they go back and hide, or make difficult to find, the original reports. I'm looking at you UN population prospectus revisions that claim Africa's fertility rates would drop, and then backtracked and decided they would remain high in spite of industrialization, etc. in order to contain fears and control the actions of countries who are fighting to address population decline.)

Here are a couple of "fun" articles on pregnancy vaccines. (Again, check the web address, this is the National Institute of Health .gov website, not a third party tin foil had website.)

Notice in the first abstract the mention of Tetanus and Diptheria shots as good options for administering the vaccines. In 2014 Catholic Charities in Kenya claimed the tetanus shots they received were laced with HCG. That article is below as well as the press statement. (There are more, but this is to get you started.)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9459276

Hum Reprod Update. 1997 Jul-Aug;3(4):301-10.
Fertility regulating and immunotherapeutic vaccines reaching human trials stage.
Talwar GP1.
Author information
Abstract
The progress and current status of vaccines which induce antibodies against human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) and luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone (LHRH) are reviewed. Three vaccines devised against HCG have undergone phase I clinical trials documenting their safety, and reversibility. One of these, the heterospecies dimer (HSD)-HCG vaccine has also completed phase II efficacy trials in sexually active women of proven fertility. Immunization with the vaccine prevents pregnancy, as long as the antibody titres remain > or =50 ng/ml HCG bioneutralization capacity. There is no disturbance of menstrual regularity and women continue to ovulate normally. The antibody response is predominantly against an epitope in the core part of beta-HCG. Fertility is regained at titres <35 ng. These observations have laid the scientific foundations of a birth control vaccine. Research suggests the feasibility of making a cost-effective recombinant vaccine. The carriers tetanus toxoid (TT) and diptheria toxoid (DT) can be advantageously replaced by peptide determinants recognizing T, not B cells. In addition to optional fertility control, HCG vaccines may have tumour growth inhibition potential in lung cancers which produce HCG. The vaccine against LHRH can be used in both males and females. As it is a structurally conserved molecule, the same vaccine is applicable to both animals and humans. Antibodies against LHRH block the generation of gametes and sex steroids, with the result that the vaccine can be used for fertility control (domestic pets, prolongation of lactation amenorrhoea); as well as for sex hormone-dependent cancers. Phase I/phase II clinical trials have been conducted with the LHRH vaccine in advanced metastazing carcinoma of prostate patients with encouraging results. Bioeffective monoclonal antibodies have been developed against both LHRH and HCG. These can be 'humanized' and produced cost-effectively in bacteria and plants, thus paving the way for passive use of such antibodies for immunotherapy of cancers and fertility control.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25673535

Indian J Med Res. 2014 Nov;140 Suppl:S137-46.
Priority strategies for India's family planning programme.
Pachauri S1.
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Strategies to accelerate progress of India's family planning programme are discussed and the importance of improving the quality and reach of services to address unmet contraceptive need by providing method choice is emphasized. Although there is a growing demand for both limiting and spacing births, female sterilisation, is the dominant method in the national programme and use of spacing methods remains very limited. Fertility decline has been slower in the empowered action group (EAG) states which contribute about 40 per cent of population growth to the country and also depict gloomy statistics for other socio-development indicators. It is, therefore, important to intensify efforts to reduce both fertility and mortality in these states. arationale has been provided for implementing integrated programmes using a gender lens because the lack of women's autonomy in reproductive decision-making, compounded by poor male involvement in sexual and reproductive health matters, is a fundamental issue yet to be addressed. The need for collaboration between scientists developing contraceptive technologies and those implementing family planning services is underscored. If contraceptive technologies are developed with an understanding of the contexts in which they will be delivered and an appreciation of end-users' needs and perspectives, they are more likely to be accepted by service providers and used by clients.

http://www.kccb.or.ke/home/news-2/press-statement-5/

PRESS STATEMENT
in News — October 7, 2014
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PRESS STATEMENT BY THE CATHOLIC HEALTH COMMISSION OF KENYA – KENYA CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS ON THE NATIONAL TETANUS VACCINATION CAMPAIGN SCHEDULED FOR 13TH – 19TH OCTOBER 2014

Health service delivery forms an integral part of evangelization for the Catholic Church. As such, the role played through the Church’s health Apostolate in Kenya cannot be understated.

The Church has an extensive network of health facilities that include 58 hospitals, 83 health centers, 311 dispensaries and 17 medical training institutions. Our health facilities offer a wide range preventive and curative health services, including vaccination. The Catholic Church coordinates these services through the Catholic Health Commission of Kenya – Kenya Conference of Catholic Bishops (KCCB).

The Catholic Health Commission of Kenya, currently meeting at St Patrick’s Pastoral Center Kabula in Bungoma, with health facility managers from 24 Catholic Dioceses are deeply concerned about the following issues regarding the Tetanus vaccination campaign scheduled for of 13th – 19th October 2014:

There has not been adequate stakeholder engagement for consultation both in the preparation for the campaign. The Catholic Church has not been engaged as members and participants of the Health Sector Coordinating Committee and in the respective Technical Working Group. This is despite previous promises by the Ministry of Health to be engaged as a key stakeholder.
There has been limited public awareness unlike other related campaigns like Polio vaccination.
There has been limited public information on the rationale with a background that has informed the initiative since we raised an issue in March 2014.
We are still keen on having the Ministry of Health give Kenyans adequate responses to the following key pertinent questions:

Is there a tetanus crisis in Kenya? If this is so, why has it not been declared?
Why does the campaign target women of 14 – 49years?
Why has the campaign left out young girls, boys and men even if they are all prone to tetanus?
In the midst of so many life threatening diseases in Kenya, why has tetanus been prioritized?
We are not convinced that the government has taken adequate responsibility to ensure that Tetanus Toxoid vaccine (TT) laced with Beta human chorionic gonadotropin (b-HCG) sub unit is not being used by the sponsoring development partners. This has previously been used by the same partners in Philippines, Nicaragua and Mexico to vaccinate women against future pregnancy. Beta HCG sub unit is a hormone necessary for pregnancy.

When injected as a vaccine to a non-pregnant woman, this Beta HCG sub unit combined with tetanus toxoid develops antibodies against tetanus and HCG so that if a woman’s egg becomes fertilized, her own natural HCG will be destroyed rendering her permanently infertile. In this situation tetanus vaccination has been used as a birth control method.

We retain that the tetanus vaccination campaign bears the hallmarks of the programmes that were carried out in Philippines, Mexico and Nicaragua. We would want to participate in ensuring that the vaccines to be administered are free of this hormone.

The Catholic Church acknowledges that maternal and neonatal care is imperative in prevention of death; the Church therefore maintains that adequate and clear information is provided to the general public to avoid misinformation and propaganda in regard to the vaccine. The sanctity of Life and the dignity of the human person must always be priorities in health care and the Catholic Church, in the absence of proper and adequate information will not shy away from raising moral questions on matters affecting human life.



Rt. Rev. Paul Kariuki Njiru

Chairman, Catholic Health Commission of Kenya – KCCB



Rt. Rev. Joseph Mbatia

Vice Chairman, Catholic Health Commission of Kenya – KCCB

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Kenyan gvmt launches probe into claim UN is using vaccines for ‘mass sterilization’
Catholic , Kenya , Population Control , United Nations

The health committee of Kenya’s National Assembly has ordered an independent inquiry into the Catholic Church’s claims that a national anti-tetanus vaccination campaign is covering for a sterilization scheme aimed at suppressing the country’s population.

The news comes as health ministry officials have called for professional discipline against Dr. Stephen Karanja, head of Kenyan Catholic Doctors Association, who raised the alarm about the vaccine.

At the same time, a teacher’s union has called for a boycott of the vaccination campaign until Catholic claims are disproven.

The Health Ministry, which is conducting the five-injection, two-year vaccination project on female Kenyans aged 14-49, and the vaccine’s supplier, the World Health Organization, deny the claims of the Church, which has called all along for an independent inquiry.

Robert Pukose, the government MP who is vice-chairman of the National Assembly’s health committee, explained, “We are at loss about who to believe since both sides have tabled conflicting results. That is why we need new tests conducted jointly for us to give final and conclusive results,” according to the Nairobi Standard.

The inquiry will consist of submitting vaccine samples to a committee of Catholic, government, and independent medical experts. What they will be looking for are traces of HCG, a female hormone produced during pregnancy, which if injected along with traces of tetanus, will produce antibodies. And just as these antibodies will react to a real tetanus infection, so will they react to a pregnancy, causing a miscarriage.

The Health Ministry submitted its test results on the tetanus vaccine to the committee last week, showing no trace of HCG.

This week the Catholic bishops’ doctors presented their own test results, all of which showed traces of HCG. Karanja told the committee, “The hormone, Beta HCG, is neither a byproduct of, nor a component required for, the manufacture of the tetanus vaccine. It being part of the vaccine is nothing short of a scheme to forcefully render our women incapable of bearing children.”

The Health Ministry’s Immunization Technical Group, Dr. Collins Tabu, challenged the validity of the Catholic doctors’ test results, asking, “Were the samples sent to the labs indeed vaccines? Were they sent in their primary containers and what was the condition of storage? What types of tests were run on them?”

Unless the tests were done at either of two specialized government labs, they could not be valid, he added.

But the Kenyan Catholic doctors have told LifeSiteNews via email that the government won’t let anyone get samples of the vaccine for tests—the ones used had to be obtained surreptitiously by devout Catholics. All along the doctors wanted to conduct tests jointly with the government but could not get co-operation.

Dr. Karanja also told the committee the tests were simple and could be conducted at any lab. Dr. Pukose further undermined Tabu’s argument, noting that both the Health Ministry and the Catholics had submitted results from the Lancet Kenya lab—with contradictory findings.

Meanwhile Akello Misori, secretary general of the Kenya Union of Post Primary Education (Kuppet), advised women to avoid the tetanus shots, stating that Kenya needed many children to provide jobs for teachers. “A generation will come when we will not have children to teach. We will, therefore, end up with no jobs,” he said.

One big reason for the Church’s concern is that the vaccines are provided by the World Health Organization and UNICEF, two United Nations organizations with a documented involvement in developing a sterilization vaccine using the HCG hormone as an antigen.

Karanja’s colleague Dr. Wahome Ngare told LifeSiteNews, “WHO conducted massive vaccinations campaigns using the tetanus vaccine laced with HCG in Mexico in 1993 and Nicaragua and Philippines in 1994.” The opposition of the Catholic Church stopped those drives.

“What is downright immoral and evil,” said Ngare, “is that the tetanus laced with HCG was given as a fertility-regulating vaccine without disclosing its contraceptive effect to the girls and the mothers. As far as they were concerned, they had gone for an innocent injection to prevent neonatal tetanus.”

LifeSiteNews asked WHO’s Kenyan representative, Dr. Custodia Mandlhate, if she denies claims the same kind of campaign is going on in Kenya. She replied, “ I am sure you will agree with me that this is an unnecessary controversy like many others related other vaccine preventable diseases, and which consequences has been the delays in eradication and elimination of these diseases in the countries of the African Region.” The fight against polio, especially, she told LifeSiteNews, had been impaired by “unnecessary pro-life arguments.”

The National Assembly’s Dr. Pukose issued a stern warning after announcing the joint investigation, saying, “Those found to have been misleading Kenyans, whether it is the experts advising the Catholic Church or the Ministry of Health, will be held individually accountable. Playing with the safety and health of Kenyans is a criminal matter.”