UK to ban depictions of traditional mothers in ads.

[David13]

The UK is easily the least socialist of any European nation. We have a right-wing conservative government and the only time in recent decades when we had a Labour government was under Tony Blair, who was more conservative in many ways than Margaret Thatcher!
When you claim that the UK is a socialist state you simply expose your ignorance (for which Americans are world renowned) for all to see.

As for your freedoms, what other nation on earth requires soon to be married couples to have a blood test? Or makes it an offence, an offence take note, to cross the road wherever you jolly well want to!

So in the interests of fairness I would like you to name any freedom a US citizen has which a UK citizen does not. I'm not saying there aren't any (there may well be) but name some if you can.

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now I agree you are no where near as bad as some other parts of Europe, and their socialist mentality, nor anywhere near the horrid conditions of soviet era Russia.

But your country and ours are clearly both headed there, and that is what we have been admonished to not allow to happen. What we have been admonished to fight against.

In any society there will be rules of general order. You will cross the street at an appointed place. You will drive your car between the lines. That's not a lack of freedom. It's just basic social order.

True in soviet era Russia, since road lane lines cost money, they frequently weren't there for those rare folks able to afford a car, and able to find one to buy. And that was, and still is a very dangerous situation. That and vodka (not much to do in soviet Russia but drink) gave Russia some of the most dangerous roads in the world.

But that's not freedom. It was just a flaw of their basic social order.

Don't confuse anarchy with freedom. They are two different things.

I can tell you, I'd rather cross the road at the appointed and approved place and carry a gun, than not be able to own one without all kinds of nonsense permits (unless I'm a black market criminal) and cross where the cars just run me over.

dc

[Robin Hood]

The UK is easily the least socialist of any European nation. We have a right-wing conservative government and the only time in recent decades when we had a Labour government was under Tony Blair, who was more conservative in many ways than Margaret Thatcher!
When you claim that the UK is a socialist state you simply expose your ignorance (for which Americans are world renowned) for all to see.

As for your freedoms, what other nation on earth requires soon to be married couples to have a blood test? Or makes it an offence, an offence take note, to cross the road wherever you jolly well want to!

So in the interests of fairness I would like you to name any freedom a US citizen has which a UK citizen does not. I'm not saying there aren't any (there may well be) but name some if you can.

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now, I just knew you would say that. Guns, guns, guns, it's all about the guns!
So, gun buying aside (even though I can also buy a gun here, but I won't argue the point) what are some of the other "100 or 1000 differences"?
Did you not list any of them because you just made those number up and you actually know very little about my country and it's freedoms?

[dafty]

The UK is easily the least socialist of any European nation. We have a right-wing conservative government and the only time in recent decades when we had a Labour government was under Tony Blair, who was more conservative in many ways than Margaret Thatcher!
When you claim that the UK is a socialist state you simply expose your ignorance (for which Americans are world renowned) for all to see.

As for your freedoms, what other nation on earth requires soon to be married couples to have a blood test? Or makes it an offence, an offence take note, to cross the road wherever you jolly well want to!

So in the interests of fairness I would like you to name any freedom a US citizen has which a UK citizen does not. I'm not saying there aren't any (there may well be) but name some if you can.

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now I agree you are no where near as bad as some other parts of Europe, and their socialist mentality, nor anywhere near the horrid conditions of soviet era Russia.

But your country and ours are clearly both headed there, and that is what we have been admonished to not allow to happen. What we have been admonished to fight against.

In any society there will be rules of general order. You will cross the street at an appointed place. You will drive your car between the lines. That's not a lack of freedom. It's just basic social order.

True in soviet era Russia, since road lane lines cost money, they frequently weren't there for those rare folks able to afford a car, and able to find one to buy. And that was, and still is a very dangerous situation. That and vodka (not much to do in soviet Russia but drink) gave Russia some of the most dangerous roads in the world.

But that's not freedom. It was just a flaw of their basic social order.

Don't confuse anarchy with freedom. They are two different things.

I can tell you, I'd rather cross the road at the appointed and approved place and carry a gun, than not be able to own one without all kinds of nonsense permits (unless I'm a black market criminal) and cross where the cars just run me over.

dc

You said, "I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money."
wow, I think this quote speaks for itself...but if you still dont catch mu drift, Ill have you know that if thats the "freedoms" you think The Lord desires to grant us, why seek Zion?-just move to Somalia...

[David13]

The UK is easily the least socialist of any European nation. We have a right-wing conservative government and the only time in recent decades when we had a Labour government was under Tony Blair, who was more conservative in many ways than Margaret Thatcher!
When you claim that the UK is a socialist state you simply expose your ignorance (for which Americans are world renowned) for all to see.

As for your freedoms, what other nation on earth requires soon to be married couples to have a blood test? Or makes it an offence, an offence take note, to cross the road wherever you jolly well want to!

So in the interests of fairness I would like you to name any freedom a US citizen has which a UK citizen does not. I'm not saying there aren't any (there may well be) but name some if you can.

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now I agree you are no where near as bad as some other parts of Europe, and their socialist mentality, nor anywhere near the horrid conditions of soviet era Russia.

But your country and ours are clearly both headed there, and that is what we have been admonished to not allow to happen. What we have been admonished to fight against.

In any society there will be rules of general order. You will cross the street at an appointed place. You will drive your car between the lines. That's not a lack of freedom. It's just basic social order.

True in soviet era Russia, since road lane lines cost money, they frequently weren't there for those rare folks able to afford a car, and able to find one to buy. And that was, and still is a very dangerous situation. That and vodka (not much to do in soviet Russia but drink) gave Russia some of the most dangerous roads in the world.

But that's not freedom. It was just a flaw of their basic social order.

Don't confuse anarchy with freedom. They are two different things.

I can tell you, I'd rather cross the road at the appointed and approved place and carry a gun, than not be able to own one without all kinds of nonsense permits (unless I'm a black market criminal) and cross where the cars just run me over.

dc

You said, "I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money."
wow, I think this quote speaks for itself...but if you still dont catch mu drift, Ill have you know that if thats the "freedoms" you think The Lord desires to grant us, why seek Zion?-just move to Somalia...

Well, Daffy, I said that in response to Robin Hoods request for at least one of the 100s or 1000s of differences. That is one of the essential freedoms that are soon taken away by a despotic tyrannical government, based on conspiracies that we have been admonished to fight against.

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

Indeed we are commanded therein to be willing to shed blood. So indeed Zion will be armed. Somalia does not have any Latter Day Saint presence or culture that I know of. What's your experience there?

Where do you think there are more guns? The U.S? Or Somalia.

Daffy, if I remember correctly, you live in a country where you are denied your right o keep and bear arms. I know I asked you about your country and you refused to reveal it. Why the secrecy? What's the big secret?

Daffy, I understand, where your rights are already denied, you will not want to rock the boat, and demand your rights back. You may end up in big trouble if you do.

But this is exactly why we are commanded and warned and admonished about conspiracies.
dc

[David13]

The UK is easily the least socialist of any European nation. We have a right-wing conservative government and the only time in recent decades when we had a Labour government was under Tony Blair, who was more conservative in many ways than Margaret Thatcher!
When you claim that the UK is a socialist state you simply expose your ignorance (for which Americans are world renowned) for all to see.

As for your freedoms, what other nation on earth requires soon to be married couples to have a blood test? Or makes it an offence, an offence take note, to cross the road wherever you jolly well want to!

So in the interests of fairness I would like you to name any freedom a US citizen has which a UK citizen does not. I'm not saying there aren't any (there may well be) but name some if you can.

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now, I just knew you would say that. Guns, guns, guns, it's all about the guns!
So, gun buying aside (even though I can also buy a gun here, but I won't argue the point) what are some of the other "100 or 1000 differences"?
Did you not list any of them because you just made those number up and you actually know very little about my country and it's freedoms?

Robin Hood, why is it all about guns?

Is that a very basic freedom? One of the most basic? One of the most essential?

You can buy a gun in your country? Ha! That's one big laugh. You can only in very limited circumstances, you can't carry it, and you only obtain it after jumping thru' ridiculous hoops and regularly jump thru' nonsense hoops to keep it.

Why don't you describe the entire procedure here, if you have the hour or two to do so.
dc

And why not wake up and realize where all that nonsense and ridiculousness leads. Where will it lead? To banning depictions in ads of traditional mothers? What of that? What road is your country on?


You knew I would mention guns? So you were baiting me? You were trolling?

[Robin Hood]

.....you live in a country where you are denied your right to keep and bear arms.

You have this back to front dc.
You live in a country that has a constitution which gives you the right to bear arms. Obviously, your fellow countrymen understand varying interpretations of this.
However, most countries in the world don't have this clause and get along just fine. So it is the US which is at odds with the rest of the world, not the other way around.

Also, it occurs to me that your definition of "arms" is open to question. Does it have to be a gun? Are you not armed when you carry a knife? or a knuckle duster? or pepper spray? or ...... the list goes on.
And why only a gun? Should you not interpret your constitutional right to bear arms to include a fighter jet, surface to air missile, or perhaps even a nuclear warhead or two?

[David13]

.....you live in a country where you are denied your right to keep and bear arms.

You have this back to front dc.
You live in a country that has a constitution which gives you the right to bear arms. Obviously, your fellow countrymen understand varying interpretations of this.
However, most countries in the world don't have this clause and get along just fine. So it is the US which is at odds with the rest of the world, not the other way around.

Also, it occurs to me that your definition of "arms" is open to question. Does it have to be a gun? Are you not armed when you carry a knife? or a knuckle duster? or pepper spray? or ...... the list goes on.
And why only a gun? Should you not interpret your constitutional right to bear arms to include a fighter jet, surface to air missile, or perhaps even a nuclear warhead or two?

The US is backwards to the rest of the world? Ha, that's a real laugh! Particularly when you just thanked Daffy for mentioning Somalia. He seems to think there are more guns in Somalia, doesn't he? I do think we all know there are more guns in Somalia IN CURRENT USE than in the US. But that's an ethnic and cultural difference, isn't it?

But you are basing your conclusion on your faulty premise. You think it's "backward" for the US to have freedom, such as gun rights. The truth is your rights are slowing be chipped away and soon you will have none.

Such as seeing traditional mothers in ads. You still haven't addressed how preposterously ridiculous, oppressive and tyrannical such a suggestion is.
dc

The other thing you keep neglecting, is, is not the citizen better off in a free nation like the US, rather than the subject of soviet era Russia? The answer, yes. No question.

[Robin Hood]

The UK is easily the least socialist of any European nation. We have a right-wing conservative government and the only time in recent decades when we had a Labour government was under Tony Blair, who was more conservative in many ways than Margaret Thatcher!
When you claim that the UK is a socialist state you simply expose your ignorance (for which Americans are world renowned) for all to see.

As for your freedoms, what other nation on earth requires soon to be married couples to have a blood test? Or makes it an offence, an offence take note, to cross the road wherever you jolly well want to!

So in the interests of fairness I would like you to name any freedom a US citizen has which a UK citizen does not. I'm not saying there aren't any (there may well be) but name some if you can.

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now, I just knew you would say that. Guns, guns, guns, it's all about the guns!
So, gun buying aside (even though I can also buy a gun here, but I won't argue the point) what are some of the other "100 or 1000 differences"?
Did you not list any of them because you just made those number up and you actually know very little about my country and it's freedoms?

Robin Hood, why is it all about guns?

Is that a very basic freedom? One of the most basic? One of the most essential?

You can buy a gun in your country? Ha! That's one big laugh. You can only in very limited circumstances, you can't carry it, and you only obtain it after jumping thru' ridiculous hoops and regularly jump thru' nonsense hoops to keep it.

Why don't you describe the entire procedure here, if you have the hour or two to do so.
dc

And why not wake up and realize where all that nonsense and ridiculousness leads. Where will it lead? To banning depictions in ads of traditional mothers? What of that? What road is your country on?


You knew I would mention guns? So you were baiting me? You were trolling?

I'm not going to describe the entire procedure, but it is interesting that you have had to acknowledge that your original statement was incorrect.
My daughter has a gun.
I know several farmers in my village who have guns.
I think we have the balance right here. Whereas in your country there is clearly a very serious gun problem.

You see, a gun was created, designed, and manufactured for one purpose... to kill people.
Cars and trucks can be used to kill people as we have seen. However, that is through misapplication of their primary use. They are designed and manufactured to transport people and goods.
Guns, especially handguns, have no other purpose other than to kill or threaten to kill human beings.
Jesus said he who lives by the sword will die by the sword.

You like to quote the BoM as if the Nephites are our great example. You are partially correct, as they are greatest examples of failure.
They never established Zion. They failed in their quest. The only time they started to even get close was when weapons were no longer a part of their society. Eventually of course, they were wiped out, but only when they took up arms once again. God will not be mocked.

[dafty]

The UK is easily the least socialist of any European nation. We have a right-wing conservative government and the only time in recent decades when we had a Labour government was under Tony Blair, who was more conservative in many ways than Margaret Thatcher!
When you claim that the UK is a socialist state you simply expose your ignorance (for which Americans are world renowned) for all to see.

As for your freedoms, what other nation on earth requires soon to be married couples to have a blood test? Or makes it an offence, an offence take note, to cross the road wherever you jolly well want to!

So in the interests of fairness I would like you to name any freedom a US citizen has which a UK citizen does not. I'm not saying there aren't any (there may well be) but name some if you can.

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now I agree you are no where near as bad as some other parts of Europe, and their socialist mentality, nor anywhere near the horrid conditions of soviet era Russia.

But your country and ours are clearly both headed there, and that is what we have been admonished to not allow to happen. What we have been admonished to fight against.

In any society there will be rules of general order. You will cross the street at an appointed place. You will drive your car between the lines. That's not a lack of freedom. It's just basic social order.

True in soviet era Russia, since road lane lines cost money, they frequently weren't there for those rare folks able to afford a car, and able to find one to buy. And that was, and still is a very dangerous situation. That and vodka (not much to do in soviet Russia but drink) gave Russia some of the most dangerous roads in the world.

But that's not freedom. It was just a flaw of their basic social order.

Don't confuse anarchy with freedom. They are two different things.

I can tell you, I'd rather cross the road at the appointed and approved place and carry a gun, than not be able to own one without all kinds of nonsense permits (unless I'm a black market criminal) and cross where the cars just run me over.

dc

You said, "I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money."
wow, I think this quote speaks for itself...but if you still dont catch mu drift, Ill have you know that if thats the "freedoms" you think The Lord desires to grant us, why seek Zion?-just move to Somalia...

Well, Daffy, I said that in response to Robin Hoods request for at least one of the 100s or 1000s of differences. That is one of the essential freedoms that are soon taken away by a despotic tyrannical government, based on conspiracies that we have been admonished to fight against.

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

Indeed we are commanded therein to be willing to shed blood. So indeed Zion will be armed. Somalia does not have any Latter Day Saint presence or culture that I know of. What's your experience there?

Where do you think there are more guns? The U.S? Or Somalia.

Daffy, if I remember correctly, you live in a country where you are denied your right o keep and bear arms. I know I asked you about your country and you refused to reveal it. Why the secrecy? What's the big secret?

Daffy, I understand, where your rights are already denied, you will not want to rock the boat, and demand your rights back. You may end up in big trouble if you do.

But this is exactly why we are commanded and warned and admonished about conspiracies.
dc

No secrecy, I live in UK, everyone knows...Ur not asking me to give you my post code, are you? lol
In UK I can get a gun if I belong to a shooting club and can safely stow it in a place thats deemed secure(its a gun cabinet type thing I think). I would have to be checked by an appropriate agencies and regularly inspected after. Far safer solution than just letting any idiot go in a shop and buy a machine gun. Last time we spoke, I said that within one month USA would have at least 1 deadly shooting... I was wrong-you had 3.

[Robin Hood]

.....you live in a country where you are denied your right to keep and bear arms.

You have this back to front dc.
You live in a country that has a constitution which gives you the right to bear arms. Obviously, your fellow countrymen understand varying interpretations of this.
However, most countries in the world don't have this clause and get along just fine. So it is the US which is at odds with the rest of the world, not the other way around.

Also, it occurs to me that your definition of "arms" is open to question. Does it have to be a gun? Are you not armed when you carry a knife? or a knuckle duster? or pepper spray? or ...... the list goes on.
And why only a gun? Should you not interpret your constitutional right to bear arms to include a fighter jet, surface to air missile, or perhaps even a nuclear warhead or two?

The US is backwards to the rest of the world? Ha, that's a real laugh! Particularly when you just thanked Daffy for mentioning Somalia. He seems to think there are more guns in Somalia, doesn't he? I do think we all know there are more guns in Somalia IN CURRENT USE than in the US. But that's an ethnic and cultural difference, isn't it?

But you are basing your conclusion on your faulty premise. You think it's "backward" for the US to have freedom, such as gun rights. The truth is your rights are slowing be chipped away and soon you will have none.

Such as seeing traditional mothers in ads. You still haven't addressed how preposterously ridiculous, oppressive and tyrannical such a suggestion is.
dc

The other thing you keep neglecting, is, is not the citizen better off in a free nation like the US, rather than the subject of soviet era Russia? The answer, yes. No question.

I submit that no country needs to take lessons from a nation which is clearly imploding before our eyes. Which is the evil porn capital of the world, which lives on credit, whose citizens routinely slaughter each other at an alarming rate, which incarcerates more of it's citizens than any other developed country, which pokes it's nose into everybody else's business, which exports "gay" rights to the rest of the world, which floods our cinema screens with violence and smut performed by a long list of sexually abusive "celebrities", .... and so on...

Apparently this is all because of freedom, and that freedom is all because dc can buy a gun!

To me it seems dc lives in fear. To feel that you are not free unless you have the ability to efficiently kill someone is just bonkers. I do not live in fear in my country, and I'm sure most Americans don't either. But to equate freedom with carrying a lethal weapon is frankly juvenile at best.

So, the gun issue aside, I am interested in reading dc's "100 to 1000" other freedoms Americans benefit from while Britons, and by extension the rest of the western world, don't. Start with the 100 first, before we look at the other 900 you seem to think you can identify. You made the claim dc, so it's time to either put up or shut up!

P.S. It is not my intention to offend any Americans here. No country, including mine, is free from this list of maladies whether they have guns or not. I'm just making the point that it appears the answer to every question as far as dc is concerned seems to relate to being equipped to kill someone. I believe this is very skewed thinking at best.

[dafty]

.....you live in a country where you are denied your right to keep and bear arms.

You have this back to front dc.
You live in a country that has a constitution which gives you the right to bear arms. Obviously, your fellow countrymen understand varying interpretations of this.
However, most countries in the world don't have this clause and get along just fine. So it is the US which is at odds with the rest of the world, not the other way around.

Also, it occurs to me that your definition of "arms" is open to question. Does it have to be a gun? Are you not armed when you carry a knife? or a knuckle duster? or pepper spray? or ...... the list goes on.
And why only a gun? Should you not interpret your constitutional right to bear arms to include a fighter jet, surface to air missile, or perhaps even a nuclear warhead or two?

The US is backwards to the rest of the world? Ha, that's a real laugh! Particularly when you just thanked Daffy for mentioning Somalia. He seems to think there are more guns in Somalia, doesn't he? I do think we all know there are more guns in Somalia IN CURRENT USE than in the US. But that's an ethnic and cultural difference, isn't it?

But you are basing your conclusion on your faulty premise. You think it's "backward" for the US to have freedom, such as gun rights. The truth is your rights are slowing be chipped away and soon you will have none.

Such as seeing traditional mothers in ads. You still haven't addressed how preposterously ridiculous, oppressive and tyrannical such a suggestion is.
dc

The other thing you keep neglecting, is, is not the citizen better off in a free nation like the US, rather than the subject of soviet era Russia? The answer, yes. No question.

U said:
just thanked Daffy for mentioning Somalia. He seems to think there are more guns in Somalia, doesn't he? I do think we all know there are more guns in Somalia IN CURRENT USE than in the US
lol
Merry Christmas, u made my day xxx

[David13]

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now I agree you are no where near as bad as some other parts of Europe, and their socialist mentality, nor anywhere near the horrid conditions of soviet era Russia.

But your country and ours are clearly both headed there, and that is what we have been admonished to not allow to happen. What we have been admonished to fight against.

In any society there will be rules of general order. You will cross the street at an appointed place. You will drive your car between the lines. That's not a lack of freedom. It's just basic social order.

True in soviet era Russia, since road lane lines cost money, they frequently weren't there for those rare folks able to afford a car, and able to find one to buy. And that was, and still is a very dangerous situation. That and vodka (not much to do in soviet Russia but drink) gave Russia some of the most dangerous roads in the world.

But that's not freedom. It was just a flaw of their basic social order.

Don't confuse anarchy with freedom. They are two different things.

I can tell you, I'd rather cross the road at the appointed and approved place and carry a gun, than not be able to own one without all kinds of nonsense permits (unless I'm a black market criminal) and cross where the cars just run me over.

dc

You said, "I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money."
wow, I think this quote speaks for itself...but if you still dont catch mu drift, Ill have you know that if thats the "freedoms" you think The Lord desires to grant us, why seek Zion?-just move to Somalia...

Well, Daffy, I said that in response to Robin Hoods request for at least one of the 100s or 1000s of differences. That is one of the essential freedoms that are soon taken away by a despotic tyrannical government, based on conspiracies that we have been admonished to fight against.

Have you read the Book of Mormon?

Indeed we are commanded therein to be willing to shed blood. So indeed Zion will be armed. Somalia does not have any Latter Day Saint presence or culture that I know of. What's your experience there?

Where do you think there are more guns? The U.S? Or Somalia.

Daffy, if I remember correctly, you live in a country where you are denied your right o keep and bear arms. I know I asked you about your country and you refused to reveal it. Why the secrecy? What's the big secret?

Daffy, I understand, where your rights are already denied, you will not want to rock the boat, and demand your rights back. You may end up in big trouble if you do.

But this is exactly why we are commanded and warned and admonished about conspiracies.
dc

No secrecy, I live in UK, everyone knows...Ur not asking me to give you my post code, are you? lol
In UK I can get a gun if I belong to a shooting club and can safely stow it in a place thats deemed secure(its a gun cabinet type thing I think). I would have to be checked by an appropriate agencies and regularly inspected after. Far safer solution than just letting any idiot go in a shop and buy a machine gun. Last time we spoke, I said that within one month USA would have at least 1 deadly shooting... I was wrong-you had 3.

Well, Robin Hood is wrong, I do know the procedure. However, you make it sound a lot easier than it really is. And it also makes the gun useless for self defense. You also haven't described the type of gun. Hand guns or long guns.

The US has deadly shootings daily. In certain areas.

You see there is an ethnic subculture in the US that is extremely violent. They are centered in the big cities, Chicago, Washington DC, Detroit, Oakland, St Louis, for example.

I have previously posted a video that explained that, if you deduct those "ethnic enclaves" from the US shooting rate, you have one of the safest countries in the world. There are 150 or so countries with greater murder rates when you deduct those areas of the US.

So it's pure ignorance to say the US has a "gun" problem.

You might want to say the US has an "ethnic or cultural" problem, but you will be in great danger of being persecuted by the thought police here for speaking such truth.

A gun is never a problem. A gun never shoots itself. Someone must pull the trigger. A car never drives itself (yet, and never, I hope). And to focus on the car rather than the driver, is just as ludicrous as focusing on the gun, rather than he or she that pulls the trigger. Pure ignorance in the equation.

And you are 100% wrong. You CANNOT go into a shop in the USA and buy a machine gun. I certainly didn't say you could (or I could).

Tell me this, tho' how many, if any of the British gun owners, with their gun safely locked away (for the moment) are idiots? None? How do you know?

Ok, so you are in the UK and you admit it. I thought maybe you were reluctant to admit it. I know if I lived there I would be reluctant to admit it. No, I don't want your postal code. Just wanted to know why you were so defensive about the UK's lack of freedom.

Were you going to address my debate with Robin Hood? Is there a difference between the freedom or life style of the Brit, the American, and those in soviet era Russia? Or not?

dc

[David13]

.....you live in a country where you are denied your right to keep and bear arms.

You have this back to front dc.
You live in a country that has a constitution which gives you the right to bear arms. Obviously, your fellow countrymen understand varying interpretations of this.
However, most countries in the world don't have this clause and get along just fine. So it is the US which is at odds with the rest of the world, not the other way around.

Also, it occurs to me that your definition of "arms" is open to question. Does it have to be a gun? Are you not armed when you carry a knife? or a knuckle duster? or pepper spray? or ...... the list goes on.
And why only a gun? Should you not interpret your constitutional right to bear arms to include a fighter jet, surface to air missile, or perhaps even a nuclear warhead or two?

The US is backwards to the rest of the world? Ha, that's a real laugh! Particularly when you just thanked Daffy for mentioning Somalia. He seems to think there are more guns in Somalia, doesn't he? I do think we all know there are more guns in Somalia IN CURRENT USE than in the US. But that's an ethnic and cultural difference, isn't it?

But you are basing your conclusion on your faulty premise. You think it's "backward" for the US to have freedom, such as gun rights. The truth is your rights are slowing be chipped away and soon you will have none.

Such as seeing traditional mothers in ads. You still haven't addressed how preposterously ridiculous, oppressive and tyrannical such a suggestion is.
dc

The other thing you keep neglecting, is, is not the citizen better off in a free nation like the US, rather than the subject of soviet era Russia? The answer, yes. No question.

I submit that no country needs to take lessons from a nation which is clearly imploding before our eyes. Which is the evil porn capital of the world, which lives on credit, whose citizens routinely slaughter each other at an alarming rate, which incarcerates more of it's citizens than any other developed country, which pokes it's nose into everybody else's business, which exports "gay" rights to the rest of the world, which floods our cinema screens with violence and smut performed by a long list of sexually abusive "celebrities", .... and so on...

Apparently this is all because of freedom, and that freedom is all because dc can buy a gun!

To me it seems dc lives in fear. To feel that you are not free unless you have the ability to efficiently kill someone is just bonkers. I do not live in fear in my country, and I'm sure most Americans don't either. But to equate freedom with carrying a lethal weapon is frankly juvenile at best.

So, the gun issue aside, I am interested in reading dc's "100 to 1000" other freedoms Americans benefit from while Britons, and by extension the rest of the western world, don't. Start with the 100 first, before we look at the other 900 you seem to think you can identify. You made the claim dc, so it's time to either put up or shut up!

P.S. It is not my intention to offend any Americans here. No country, including mine, is free from this list of maladies whether they have guns or not. I'm just making the point that it appears the answer to every question as far as dc is concerned seems to relate to being equipped to kill someone. I believe this is very skewed thinking at best.

No, it's just as far as dc is concerned the gun issue is the tip of an iceberg.

And listing your list of maladies, you need to address the issue I raised with Daffy. The "gun problem" as you incorrectly identify it is really something else that is A PART, A CERTAIN PART, AND ONLY THAT PART of the USofA. With regard to the other part of the USA the murder rate is one of the lowest in the world, which gun ownership is highest in the world, and no in that other part of the USA guns are owned and NOT being used to kill each other like in Somalia or that certain part of the USA.

The iceberg also has to do with what you conveniently and misguidedly excluded from your laundry list of national ills and that's immigration or "refugees". That's probably the greatest ill many countries face right now but it gets buried under the squawking about "guns, guns, guns!!!" "Oh, we must ban guns!!!"

And I don't say that's what you say, but you talk in support and use all the same buzz words that they say when they squawk.

It's what's known as a diversionary tactic while our society is being destroyed. And I'm telling you that it is a separate and different part of the USA than that part which gives the US such a high murder rate.

But still you evade the issue.

What can you tell me about a country that would BAN, ban, make illegal and ad depicting a traditional mother? Is it not on the same path, NOT TO ZION, but toward the totalitarianism manifest is soviet era Russia, which was decidedly worse than you or I live in now?

Isn't prostitution legal in Britain? dc

[David13]

Robin Hood
I already did. One that's important to me is the freedom to buy, own and carry a gun.
I can walk into a store, buy a gun with no background check, pay the money, and walk out with the gun. And I could buy any type of long gun or hand gun that is manufactured. All I have to have is the money.
And I can put it in my pocket and carry it around just about anywhere. Or I can strap it on my hip and openly carry it around, fully loaded. All completely legal. And why not? I'm a free citizen of a free country.
And the other 100 or 1000 differences with your country are just as, or more dramatic.

Now, I just knew you would say that. Guns, guns, guns, it's all about the guns!
So, gun buying aside (even though I can also buy a gun here, but I won't argue the point) what are some of the other "100 or 1000 differences"?
Did you not list any of them because you just made those number up and you actually know very little about my country and it's freedoms?

Robin Hood, why is it all about guns?

Is that a very basic freedom? One of the most basic? One of the most essential?

You can buy a gun in your country? Ha! That's one big laugh. You can only in very limited circumstances, you can't carry it, and you only obtain it after jumping thru' ridiculous hoops and regularly jump thru' nonsense hoops to keep it.

Why don't you describe the entire procedure here, if you have the hour or two to do so.
dc

And why not wake up and realize where all that nonsense and ridiculousness leads. Where will it lead? To banning depictions in ads of traditional mothers? What of that? What road is your country on?


You knew I would mention guns? So you were baiting me? You were trolling?

I'm not going to describe the entire procedure, but it is interesting that you have had to acknowledge that your original statement was incorrect.
My daughter has a gun.
I know several farmers in my village who have guns.
I think we have the balance right here. Whereas in your country there is clearly a very serious gun problem.

You see, a gun was created, designed, and manufactured for one purpose... to kill people.
Cars and trucks can be used to kill people as we have seen. However, that is through misapplication of their primary use. They are designed and manufactured to transport people and goods.
Guns, especially handguns, have no other purpose other than to kill or threaten to kill human beings.
Jesus said he who lives by the sword will die by the sword.

You like to quote the BoM as if the Nephites are our great example. You are partially correct, as they are greatest examples of failure.
They never established Zion. They failed in their quest. The only time they started to even get close was when weapons were no longer a part of their society. Eventually of course, they were wiped out, but only when they took up arms once again. God will not be mocked.

Well as you know I'm no Book of Mormon scholar. And you have a many year advantage on me.

But you appear a little skimpy on your analysis here.

Was there a different Lord that spoke to the Nephites, that speaks to us? Is there more than one Lord? Do we answer to a different Lord? Does the Lord, or Lords speak differently to the Nephites than to us?

I don't quote the Book of Mormon as if the Nephites were our great example. I quote the Book of Mormon in that God spoke to them. Tell me if God speaks differently to us? And where does it say so?

I'm trying to get the real, based on the words message there.

Not a skewed view to support my position, because I know that would be mocking the word of God.

dc

[Robin Hood]

So no list?

[David13]

So no list?

So no answers?
dc

[Thinker]

Nanette Newman, an actress who appeared in 1980s Fairy Liquid commercials, told the Daily Mail the ban is “ridiculously over the top”.

“What a bizarre world we live in where the adverts I starred in might today be considered harmful, yet it’s considered perfectly acceptable for women to be shown on mainstream TV having sex,” she told the Mail.

While campaigns to change the view of society presented in advertisements is intended to increase equality, it may be having the effect of skewing representations in a different way. Breitbart London reported in August a major survey of major advertising companies in Britain which found that businesses are over-representing ethnic minorities and homosexual in their marketing in order to ward off accusations of bigotry.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/12 ... ar-gender/

Maybe the wrong side won the Cold War after all. At least the Soviets depicted women as mothers.

You mean the wrong side won ww2. Germany had vastly superior morales and supported the family unit and praised women for being mothers etc.
they also fought against the world international bankers / central banks
Remember the winners write history and it’s not all true what they teach about Germany in schools and how Hollywood portrays it.

Hitler & similar like him needed to he stopped, however I do believe that his-story has distorted events that led up to it etc. Jews had began dominating jobs - only hiring other Jews. Interesting that up until the 1980’s, US Jews were allowed to do the same thing. If you look at big government & corporations (including media), they are overrepresented by Jews who otherwise make up a small percentage of the population.

Rothschild family (who has been reported as wanting to eventually microchip everyone to control the population etc), has said they essentially created Israel. Jews had not really posessed Israel for many years, but - I guess Rothschild family dictated the current residents didn’t matter because it was now going to be for Jews.

https://youtu.be/f82KvHnNmQE

[Robin Hood]

So no list?

So no answers?
dc

I hope this is a lesson to you.
You can't just make a sweeping generalisation based on nothing other than your own sound-bite.
If you do, you're likely to get called on it and look rather foolish.
I still like you though

[David13]

So no list?

So no answers?
dc

I hope this is a lesson to you.
You can't just make a sweeping generalisation based on nothing other than your own sound-bite.
If you do, you're likely to get called on it and look rather foolish.
I still like you though

My dear Robin Hood, how can you tell such lies? Don't your pants burn?

There are vast differences between the freedom we enjoy here in the USA, and the deprivation that Russians suffered in the soviet era. It appears that you don't realize that, and as I said before, that clearly indicates that you are blind.

I'd say, indeed you do look very foolish trying to say there wasn't much difference, or, you have no concept of freedom. And, it's clear that many of those living in Britain today do have no concept of freedom, and have less freedom that we do here, and don't realize it. You are the perfect example of that.

You may say, better a blind fool who is happy, than someone who recognizes the conspiracies that are trying, and mostly succeeding at getting above him.

But we are commanded otherwise. And we can take no action until we are willing to see it. I remember a man who used to say there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
dc

I also need to add, that I don't fear much of anything.

You happen to be the one who fears. You mention that you fear an idiot with a gun. Idiot is a quite broad word.

I can tell you I have lived here for about, more or less, 7 decades, with millions of idiots with guns, and never had any problem. So why would I fear.

[David13]

So no list?

Robin Hood

Watch this video. It contrasts dozens or hundreds of differences of freedom between two states of this very same US of A. This is exactly what I was talking about. What I would like you to do, is watch the video and then tell me what Britain is more like. California or Texas. Because these are the contrasts of freedom in a relatively free nation.

You may have read above where I posted about Toyota leaving California. I don't believe any cars are manufactured in California any more. There used to be many. Which meant you could have the freedom to get a job and earn money to live on.

Are any cars made in England any more? Why not?

Thanks to gardener4life for posting this elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1fxCh ... ode%20Lang
dc

[Thinker]

Gclayjr,
Research it from as many angles as possible - not just Google (which is liberally biased 40%). Here’s a start: “Six Jewish Companies Own 96% of the World’s Media” http://truedemocracy.net/hj33/13.html.

Unfortunately your personal employment experiences do not reflect the larger reality of which groups hold the power in the US.

Just because I question the overrepresentation of Jews in government, financial & media corporations, doesn’t mean I’m a “wacko” or “Nazi.” You suggesting as much is logical fallacy ad hominem attack - which is breaking the ONE single forum rule.

And consider, in relation to this topic, one more step to the Georgia Guidestone goal of reducing population to 500,000,000. It may not be as drastic measures as abortion genocides & legally encouraging homosexuality, still it is discouraging the sacred and important role of motherhood.

Btw, You can try to say the guidestones are pure conspiracy theory except they tangibly exist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

[Robin Hood]

So no list?

Robin Hood

Watch this video. It contrasts dozens or hundreds of differences of freedom between two states of this very same US of A. This is exactly what I was talking about. What I would like you to do, is watch the video and then tell me what Britain is more like. California or Texas. Because these are the contrasts of freedom in a relatively free nation.

You may have read above where I posted about Toyota leaving California. I don't believe any cars are manufactured in California any more. There used to be many. Which meant you could have the freedom to get a job and earn money to live on.

Are any cars made in England any more? Why not?

Thanks to gardener4life for posting this elsewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn1fxCh ... ode%20Lang
dc

So you make a claim, get called on it, offer no evidence in spite of being repeatedly asked to do so, and then ask me to do the leg work to see if your claim can be verified?
Well, I have to admire your sheer audacity!

[dafty]

There's not real equality between men and women. If a man and a woman got into a one on one fist fight who do you think will win and why?

A woman-just watch some of them go at it in a cage(mma)

[Robin Hood]

DC,
To answer a question you put regarding motor manufacturers producing cars in the UK.

Land Rover
Mini
Toyota
Honda
Nissan
Morgan
McLaren
Lotus
Aston Martin
Bentley
Rolls Royce
Jaguar
Vauxhall

See how simple that was.
Looking forward to your "100 to 1000" freedoms list.

[dafty]

DC,
To answer a question you put regarding motor manufacturers producing cars in the UK.

Land Rover
Mini
Toyota
Honda
Nissan
Morgan
McLaren
Lotus
Aston Martin
Bentley
Rolls Royce
Jaguar
Vauxhall

See how simple that was.
Looking forward to your "100 to 1000" freedoms list.

yeah, but US have JEEP- oh sorry my mistake, its an Italian Fiat now