Feminist assumptions are lies

[Fiannan]

Whether one believes in God, evolutionary psychology, or both (you have to believe in at least one) modern-day feminism is a lie. Humans, if left on their own, will always gravitate back to a traditional process of mate selection and reproduction. This happened in the process of the Soviet Union collapsing where you had a quick return to traditional masculinity and femininity and one could even look to failed communal lifestyles of the 1960s that may have started off with the "free love" ideal but eventually returned to something more akin to the lifestyles of the participant's parents.

So what we have is a war on traditionalism, a war on genetics and a war on psychology (did I mention religion?) by the left. They want to create a world that cannot exist but they will tear up the society we have now to accomplish their dream (nightmare). And they will use everything they can against professors, politicians and religious leaders to either co-opt them or silence them. If you know you are wrong, and deep down they must know they are deceived, your only strategy available is to attack.

And what are humans designed to do? What motivates us?

A recent Pew Research study says society values physical attractiveness in women the most. Nurturing and empathy are second. The top traits most valued in men are morality and professional success. In other words, men want women who are attractive and emotionally connective, and women want good men who are financially successful.

Feminists will say this is a social construct from the Victorian era that has yet to be cleansed from our society. I say this is human nature. So do history, religion, and millennia of myths, legends, and literature. Humanity’s stories are filled with the most competent man winning the most beautiful woman. Men are drawn to beauty like moths to a flame, and women want to be the flame.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/12/can-honest-women/

This is a reproductive strategy. Women will seek men who are either wealthy, intelligent or strong (ideally a combination of all three) and a man will seek the most attractive woman he can get. Both want healthy and successful children and this is something God put into us. In fact, what image do you get when you think of Heavenly Mother? Is she an out-of-shape woman? No, I would say most would think of her in the context of the picture representing Freya below, except perhaps dressed in white. And why is that? What image do we get of Heavenly Father? Give it some analysis. So ultimately it is ingrained in us, it is not a social construct, to seek health and beauty. Sure, money has replaced the concept of "good hunter" or "successful farmer" but it is not always true that women only gravitate to money, as I said above. Men may resent this unless they realize that the woman has the instinct to be able to raise a family. Women may resent men being so caught up in looks but it is placed into him the desire to produce healthy and beautiful offspring who will be able to carry on the process of reproduction of his genes. Feminism, based on nothing but opinion and distorted political objectives, may lash out against that but as long as humans exist they cannot change truth.

[Gage]

Although women will substitute a potential mates attractiveness for financial success and the ability to provide when they seek a long term commitment, women are no different from men when it comes to seeking out an attractive mate for sex.

[Fiannan]

Although women will substitute a potential mates attractiveness for financial success and the ability to provide when they seek a long term commitment, women are no different from men when it comes to seeking out an attractive mate for sex.

Actually more so. Females are more likely to reject someone as a partner based on looks than men are.

[Fiannan]

[Fiannan]

By the way, if you think the young woman above is not representative of a growing number of even religious young people then you are wrong. The NWO war against reproduction is, if anything, increasing its efforts to prune the Tree of Life down to a stump.

[Juliet]

Whether one believes in God, evolutionary psychology, or both (you have to believe in at least one) modern-day feminism is a lie. Humans, if left on their own, will always gravitate back to a traditional process of mate selection and reproduction. This happened in the process of the Soviet Union collapsing where you had a quick return to traditional masculinity and femininity and one could even look to failed communal lifestyles of the 1960s that may have started off with the "free love" ideal but eventually returned to something more akin to the lifestyles of the participant's parents.

So what we have is a war on traditionalism, a war on genetics and a war on psychology (did I mention religion?) by the left. They want to create a world that cannot exist but they will tear up the society we have now to accomplish their dream (nightmare). And they will use everything they can against professors, politicians and religious leaders to either co-opt them or silence them. If you know you are wrong, and deep down they must know they are deceived, your only strategy available is to attack.

And what are humans designed to do? What motivates us?

A recent Pew Research study says society values physical attractiveness in women the most. Nurturing and empathy are second. The top traits most valued in men are morality and professional success. In other words, men want women who are attractive and emotionally connective, and women want good men who are financially successful.

Feminists will say this is a social construct from the Victorian era that has yet to be cleansed from our society. I say this is human nature. So do history, religion, and millennia of myths, legends, and literature. Humanity’s stories are filled with the most competent man winning the most beautiful woman. Men are drawn to beauty like moths to a flame, and women want to be the flame.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/12/can-honest-women/

This is a reproductive strategy. Women will seek men who are either wealthy, intelligent or strong (ideally a combination of all three) and a man will seek the most attractive woman he can get. Both want healthy and successful children and this is something God put into us. In fact, what image do you get when you think of Heavenly Mother? Is she an out-of-shape woman? No, I would say most would think of her in the context of the picture representing Freya below, except perhaps dressed in white. And why is that? What image do we get of Heavenly Father? Give it some analysis. So ultimately it is ingrained in us, it is not a social construct, to seek health and beauty. Sure, money has replaced the concept of "good hunter" or "successful farmer" but it is not always true that women only gravitate to money, as I said above. Men may resent this unless they realize that the woman has the instinct to be able to raise a family. Women may resent men being so caught up in looks but it is placed into him the desire to produce healthy and beautiful offspring who will be able to carry on the process of reproduction of his genes. Feminism, based on nothing but opinion and distorted political objectives, may lash out against that but as long as humans exist they cannot change truth.

Temper the physical desire with eyes to see her inward beauty. If you do, both her inner and outer beauty will grow, and her outer beauty will be a genuine display of her inner light, as opposed to a counterfeit, perfect physical body fashioned to cover up the inner death of the soul.

[oneClimbs]

I would say that a man's purpose in life is to get married and have kids as well; that's our purpose together as male and female.

[MMbelieve]

I would say that a man's purpose in life is to get married and have kids as well; that's our purpose together as male and female.

That is not what blows around in the air, or at least not until the man has his career, his house and all the "fun" out of his system.

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

Men getting married is looked at as a loss of freedom because he only will get 1 woman for the rest of his life, it's a ball and chain kind of philosophy and he can be greatly teased about it. Women getting married is way different, everyone is excited for her and she has made a great accomplishment to the degree of "your set for life now".

But I do agree that men and women have the exact same responsibility and command to get married and have children. It just not treated the same.

[MMbelieve]

Whether one believes in God, evolutionary psychology, or both (you have to believe in at least one) modern-day feminism is a lie. Humans, if left on their own, will always gravitate back to a traditional process of mate selection and reproduction. This happened in the process of the Soviet Union collapsing where you had a quick return to traditional masculinity and femininity and one could even look to failed communal lifestyles of the 1960s that may have started off with the "free love" ideal but eventually returned to something more akin to the lifestyles of the participant's parents.

So what we have is a war on traditionalism, a war on genetics and a war on psychology (did I mention religion?) by the left. They want to create a world that cannot exist but they will tear up the society we have now to accomplish their dream (nightmare). And they will use everything they can against professors, politicians and religious leaders to either co-opt them or silence them. If you know you are wrong, and deep down they must know they are deceived, your only strategy available is to attack.

And what are humans designed to do? What motivates us?

A recent Pew Research study says society values physical attractiveness in women the most. Nurturing and empathy are second. The top traits most valued in men are morality and professional success. In other words, men want women who are attractive and emotionally connective, and women want good men who are financially successful.

Feminists will say this is a social construct from the Victorian era that has yet to be cleansed from our society. I say this is human nature. So do history, religion, and millennia of myths, legends, and literature. Humanity’s stories are filled with the most competent man winning the most beautiful woman. Men are drawn to beauty like moths to a flame, and women want to be the flame.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/12/12/can-honest-women/

This is a reproductive strategy. Women will seek men who are either wealthy, intelligent or strong (ideally a combination of all three) and a man will seek the most attractive woman he can get. Both want healthy and successful children and this is something God put into us. In fact, what image do you get when you think of Heavenly Mother? Is she an out-of-shape woman? No, I would say most would think of her in the context of the picture representing Freya below, except perhaps dressed in white. And why is that? What image do we get of Heavenly Father? Give it some analysis. So ultimately it is ingrained in us, it is not a social construct, to seek health and beauty. Sure, money has replaced the concept of "good hunter" or "successful farmer" but it is not always true that women only gravitate to money, as I said above. Men may resent this unless they realize that the woman has the instinct to be able to raise a family. Women may resent men being so caught up in looks but it is placed into him the desire to produce healthy and beautiful offspring who will be able to carry on the process of reproduction of his genes. Feminism, based on nothing but opinion and distorted political objectives, may lash out against that but as long as humans exist they cannot change truth.

I do not believe that feminism is to blame, it's just a symptom of a larger problem. Homosexuality is also just a symptom. The problem is much greater. We have abandoned our good nature's and become selfish. This is manifested in many diverse ways.

[oneClimbs]

That is not what blows around in the air, or at least not until the man has his career, his house and all the "fun" out of his system.

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

Men getting married is looked at as a loss of freedom because he only will get 1 woman for the rest of his life, it's a ball and chain kind of philosophy and he can be greatly teased about it. Women getting married is way different, everyone is excited for her and she has made a great accomplishment to the degree of "your set for life now".

But I do agree that men and women have the exact same responsibility and command to get married and have children. It just not treated the same.

You seem to be talking about what the world's expectations are rather than the churches. The church pushed back against that ideology but that isn't surprising, the world has all kinds of perverse ideas about things. It's only a problem in the church when people are more Babylon-minded than Zion-minded. People lose touch with what their true purpose is and they don't understand the doctrine.

[Fiannan]

You seem to be talking about what the world's expectations are rather than the churches. The church pushed back against that ideology but that isn't surprising, the world has all kinds of perverse ideas about things. It's only a problem in the church when people are more Babylon-minded than Zion-minded. People lose touch with what their true purpose is and they don't understand the doctrine.

One cannot be passive, as many LDS are, in regards to vigilance against the doctrines that are promoted by those who seek not only to corrupt the minds of the people, but also exterminate them.

[brianj]

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

I can't speak for current culture within the church, but outside the church men don't want to get married because the laws are so much against them. Middle age men who have been divorced, have to pay like crazy, and rarely or never see their kids won't be anxious to tie the knot again. Especially since they can get everything they want without being married, except for lifelong companionship which they no longer believe in. And younger men see what older men in their lives are put through and are afraid of having the same thing happen.

[Fiannan]

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

I can't speak for current culture within the church, but outside the church men don't want to get married because the laws are so much against them. Middle age men who have been divorced, have to pay like crazy, and rarely or never see their kids won't be anxious to tie the knot again. Especially since they can get everything they want without being married, except for lifelong companionship which they no longer believe in. And younger men see what older men in their lives are put through and are afraid of having the same thing happen.

This is why we need to set up binding legal pre-nups that specify what is expected in the marriage as well as who gets what in the event of a divorce.

Also, the Church needs to stop pandering to the women who claim this or that when leaving their husbands and destroying their children.

[MMbelieve]

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

I can't speak for current culture within the church, but outside the church men don't want to get married because the laws are so much against them. Middle age men who have been divorced, have to pay like crazy, and rarely or never see their kids won't be anxious to tie the knot again. Especially since they can get everything they want without being married, except for lifelong companionship which they no longer believe in. And younger men see what older men in their lives are put through and are afraid of having the same thing happen.

Yes, and I feel this is the same story for women. But they are called feminist

[MMbelieve]

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

I can't speak for current culture within the church, but outside the church men don't want to get married because the laws are so much against them. Middle age men who have been divorced, have to pay like crazy, and rarely or never see their kids won't be anxious to tie the knot again. Especially since they can get everything they want without being married, except for lifelong companionship which they no longer believe in. And younger men see what older men in their lives are put through and are afraid of having the same thing happen.

This is why we need to set up binding legal pre-nups that specify what is expected in the marriage as well as who gets what in the event of a divorce.

Also, the Church needs to stop pandering to the women who claim this or that when leaving their husbands and destroying their children.

If a man breaks covenants or breaks hearts, it is not fair to place the burden on the woman and not expect the man to improve himself and handle the issues. A woman does not have to put up with anything and everything a man choses to do that hurts her or the children. A woman has the right to find a better man if her current one refuses to be a decent guy and respect her and show that he has a good heart. Especially in the church where we believe marriage is eternal.

If a divorce happens, they both have harmed the children and are, most often, both to blame. If men could speak openly and from the heart, being more vulnerable like women can then the men would also be claiming this or that and getting "pandered" to.

What I see here is an example of a man who is against feminists and the degradation of men and the loss of men being able to be men AND participating in the degradation and minimizing of men.

You want the church to stop pandering to this and that from women why? Why should men be lowered to a standard you find comfortable and not the standard God has for men?

God expects alot from a man and holds him responsible for his family, to serve them and teach them and guide them. He expects a man to sacrifice himself for his wife and raise his children to respect and honor God. Are the men doing this? No, not most. But they want to silence a woman because they are failing to meet the expectations God has for him? This act and idea is hurting men! Men should be encouraging each other and being good examples for each other and loving their wives and being good to their children, not blaming women for their misfortune.

There are few cases where a woman is the sole person to blame for bad things happening.

[Fiannan]

If a man breaks covenants or breaks hearts, it is not fair to place the burden on the woman and not expect the man to improve himself and handle the issues. A woman does not have to put up with anything and everything a man choses to do that hurts her or the children. A woman has the right to find a better man if her current one refuses to be a decent guy and respect her and show that he has a good heart. Especially in the church where we believe marriage is eternal.

Do you have any scientific data that demonstrates that men break covenants more than women in marriage?

Oh, and do you have a scriptural spread-sheet that tells a woman when she can pull an "I'm outa here" on a man? If so please share it.

I do fear this attitude has infected a great proportion of the LDS community and when it combines with cultural Marxism, also infecting many members of the Church, the future of the Church will be dismal.

[brianj]

This is why we need to set up binding legal pre-nups that specify what is expected in the marriage as well as who gets what in the event of a divorce.

Also, the Church needs to stop pandering to the women who claim this or that when leaving their husbands and destroying their children.

Unfortunately prenups are often not worth the paper they are printed on.

I'm still married. For the last nine months my not-yet-ex has been living with her fiance, who filed for divorce in the same week she filed to divorce me. I never violated the covenants I made with and to her. She justifies her actions by telling lies and exaggerations about me, and people seem to believe her for no other reason than because she's a woman. I have a real, legitimate fear that one day I'll be single, fall in love, want to be sealed, but people will believe the lies she's going to tell and I won't be granted a sealing clearance.

[Fiannan]

This is why we need to set up binding legal pre-nups that specify what is expected in the marriage as well as who gets what in the event of a divorce.

Also, the Church needs to stop pandering to the women who claim this or that when leaving their husbands and destroying their children.

Unfortunately prenups are often not worth the paper they are printed on.

I'm still married. For the last nine months my not-yet-ex has been living with her fiance, who filed for divorce in the same week she filed to divorce me. I never violated the covenants I made with and to her. She justifies her actions by telling lies and exaggerations about me, and people seem to believe her for no other reason than because she's a woman. I have a real, legitimate fear that one day I'll be single, fall in love, want to be sealed, but people will believe the lies she's going to tell and I won't be granted a sealing clearance.

First, I think most leaders have enough discernment to know the truth despite what a few disgruntled women in the corner of the Relief Society room might be cackling about. Besides, a man does not require a cancellation of sealing to get sealed again.

And my point about pre-nups is that the society and legal system needs to extend more the rules of contract law onto such agreements. Of course the feminists and many in the legal system that finance their new homes or cars with family court cases will resist but it is necessary.

[Fiannan]

I can't speak for current culture within the church, but outside the church men don't want to get married because the laws are so much against them. Middle age men who have been divorced, have to pay like crazy, and rarely or never see their kids won't be anxious to tie the knot again. Especially since they can get everything they want without being married, except for lifelong companionship which they no longer believe in. And younger men see what older men in their lives are put through and are afraid of having the same thing happen.

And if this does not change I predict that in the near future most women wanting children will have to go to sperm banks for insemination. Sadly, the more one reads into this issue this may be the agenda that the NWO types actually want.

What I wonder is that since more and more women are going the lesbian route will the courts be as mean in family law cases as there is no man to attack.

[Juliet]

I would say that a man's purpose in life is to get married and have kids as well; that's our purpose together as male and female.

That is not what blows around in the air, or at least not until the man has his career, his house and all the "fun" out of his system.

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

Men getting married is looked at as a loss of freedom because he only will get 1 woman for the rest of his life, it's a ball and chain kind of philosophy and he can be greatly teased about it. Women getting married is way different, everyone is excited for her and she has made a great accomplishment to the degree of "your set for life now".

But I do agree that men and women have the exact same responsibility and command to get married and have children. It just not treated the same.

If women wouldn't sleep around then men would be getting married nice and early. Unfortunately some few can ruin it for the rest. It used to be women made men marry them and provide for them before putting herself in a situation where she could get pregnant. Now, she will handle paying and working and providing for the baby and all she asks, no; begs, is for the man to have sex with her after she pays for dinner to build her self esteem. Such a sad return on an investment. One night's self esteem, later to tank, verses a lifetime of being cared for. Why are we so stupid?

It is not like men would say no to providing for us and marrying us if that was the only way they would get sex.

But what's worse, is that married women don't even like having sex! So those men who do get married end up suffering because women were taught that men who want sex are pigs when really most men are not pigs it's just sex is how they emotionally connect.

[Fiannan]

If women wouldn't sleep around then men would be getting married nice and early. Unfortunately some few can ruin it for the rest. It used to be women made men marry them and provide for them before putting herself in a situation where she could get pregnant. Now, she will handle paying and working and providing for the baby and all she asks, no; begs, is for the man to have sex with her after she pays for dinner to build her self esteem. Such a sad return on an investment. One night's self esteem, later to tank, verses a lifetime of being cared for. Why are we so stupid

Quite true. Women are lied to that what they should shoot for is drinking and trying out new men's you-know-whats, without obligation. Yet this is an anti-human ethic spread by a Satanic system that controls western civilization. A woman may say she is not ready to settle down and have children but her instincts and sub conscious does. So as she plays around with a variety of men like a Walmart shopper switching channels on the remote, she allows a bit of her to be emotionally cut each time until the scars form a deep scab on her soul.

At least in the old days a woman might have sex with a man she was not married to, but as she knew there was a possibility of pregnancy she was far more picky, "Hey, would I want to raise children with this man?" and many indeed threw caution to the wind when they were with a high quality man.

It is not like men would say no to providing for us and marrying us if that was the only way they would get sex.

Lot of truth there. What self-respecting man would want to marry a woman who has been with 30 or 40 men in her life? Real mother material there. right? Many men who are good would rather stay single than wonder what biological pathogens might still be lurking in such a woman's body.

But what's worse, is that married women don't even like having sex! So those men who do get married end up suffering because women were taught that men who want sex are pigs when really most men are not pigs it's just sex is how they emotionally connect.

Sad but true in too many cases. In fact I was listening to a sex therapist give a talk in which she claimed that men instigate affairs to actually preserve their marriages while women instigate affairs to end a relationship. I can see a logic in that; in fact many LDS and men in other conservative religions may use porn in order to keep their marriage vows and/or covenants.

And yes, I believe conservative women are poisoned more by what you say about the "pigs" notion than liberal women. Conservative women shy away from speaking of sex quite often while it seems liberal women can's have a conversation without bringing sex up. And the more you think about sex the more sex happens in marriage.

I do not believe women are less sexual than men either. Whenever I visit Europe I am amazed at how many old women 55-75 are walking with a young Middle Eastern or African migrant. You see, it is not talked about much but most people realize these sugar-grand mothers take in young men and help them learn to adjust to the new culture. Of course that means giving them "emotional comfort" if you know what I mean.

And many British and American women take sex vacations to Belize, Jamaica or Gambia. It is getting quite popular with middle-aged white women. So yes, women are breaking new ground, so to speak.

[MMbelieve]

I would say that a man's purpose in life is to get married and have kids as well; that's our purpose together as male and female.

That is not what blows around in the air, or at least not until the man has his career, his house and all the "fun" out of his system.

Men are not too quick to settle down and aren't expected to, probably because they are not believed to have the same reproductive "window" that women do. If men could only have kids up to age 40 something, perhaps they would have more of a focus on getting married.

Men getting married is looked at as a loss of freedom because he only will get 1 woman for the rest of his life, it's a ball and chain kind of philosophy and he can be greatly teased about it. Women getting married is way different, everyone is excited for her and she has made a great accomplishment to the degree of "your set for life now".

But I do agree that men and women have the exact same responsibility and command to get married and have children. It just not treated the same.

If women wouldn't sleep around then men would be getting married nice and early. Unfortunately some few can ruin it for the rest. It used to be women made men marry them and provide for them before putting herself in a situation where she could get pregnant. Now, she will handle paying and working and providing for the baby and all she asks, no; begs, is for the man to have sex with her after she pays for dinner to build her self esteem. Such a sad return on an investment. One night's self esteem, later to tank, verses a lifetime of being cared for. Why are we so stupid?

It is not like men would say no to providing for us and marrying us if that was the only way they would get sex.

But what's worse, is that married women don't even like having sex! So those men who do get married end up suffering because women were taught that men who want sex are pigs when really most men are not pigs it's just sex is how they emotionally connect.

Womens fault?

[MMbelieve]

If a man breaks covenants or breaks hearts, it is not fair to place the burden on the woman and not expect the man to improve himself and handle the issues. A woman does not have to put up with anything and everything a man choses to do that hurts her or the children. A woman has the right to find a better man if her current one refuses to be a decent guy and respect her and show that he has a good heart. Especially in the church where we believe marriage is eternal.

Do you have any scientific data that demonstrates that men break covenants more than women in marriage?

Oh, and do you have a scriptural spread-sheet that tells a woman when she can pull an "I'm outa here" on a man? If so please share it.

I do fear this attitude has infected a great proportion of the LDS community and when it combines with cultural Marxism, also infecting many members of the Church, the future of the Church will be dismal.

I really don't think scientific data and biblical spreadsheets will even matter here.

If I am wrong then tell me that a woman is required to stay with a man who is not decent and who disrespect her?

I really don't think it's a righteous thing to say men can do anything and everything to his wife and she has to just put up with it.

I stand by what I said and what I said was one view, I did not speak for men's cases but a womans case. So, men vs women doesn't apply here in statistics. Men also do not have to put up with anything and everything a woman does including breaking covenants and breaking his heart or if she choses to not be decent and disrespect him. Not putting up with does not = divorce is most all cases.

My point is a woman has the human right to be treated decent and with basic respect. A woman is not a door mat anymore than a man should be a door mat. Why is this difficult to understand?

A woman who puts her foot down on being blatantly treated like crap is not a feminist and the mentality of a woman standing up for herself is not a plague entering the church like it's inherently against men or something.

Fiannan, im sure you married a strong woman and know what I'm saying, right? Tell me you respect a woman who can speak for herself and expect decent treatment?

Funny how a woman who stands up for herself (again, doesn't equal divorce in most cases) is a bad thing and a woman who is a doormat is a bad thing too.

[Fiannan]

MMbelieve, who are you responding to because you apparently are not in any way addressing anything I said.

[brianj]

I can't speak for current culture within the church, but outside the church men don't want to get married because the laws are so much against them. Middle age men who have been divorced, have to pay like crazy, and rarely or never see their kids won't be anxious to tie the knot again. Especially since they can get everything they want without being married, except for lifelong companionship which they no longer believe in. And younger men see what older men in their lives are put through and are afraid of having the same thing happen.

And if this does not change I predict that in the near future most women wanting children will have to go to sperm banks for insemination. Sadly, the more one reads into this issue this may be the agenda that the NWO types actually want.

I have come across a few church members who have never married and have children they claim were the result of artificial insemination. A woman has the agency to do whatever she wants, but I have the agency to never consider a relationship with someone who would do that.