What would you do

[Arenera]

Homosexuality is a grievious sin and Lucifers greatest triumph, and cannot be compared as attempted in above post.

For everyone here using the reason they won't allow their homosexual children in their home is because of the sanctity and sacredness of their home where commandments will be kept...keep the commandments themselves? Refrain from contention (being as it's from the devil)? Serve one another without expecting it back etc?

It just makes me wonder if the issue is more a distain for gays specifically, rather than a distain for breaking commandments.

If your husband or wife broke the commandments, would they not be allowed in the home anymore? Example, word of wisdom. Would you kick your wife out...would you remove yourself or allow your wife to kick you out?

I know that no one is perfect so I have a hard time believing that your home has always been sacred...to who ever uses this stance.

I would love my child and continue to show my love - openly to him or her. Life choices do not affect the fact that they are still human beings and children of God. Love doesn't equal accepting what they are doing...or Christ wouldnt love very many of us.

Thank God there is Christ!

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

[David13]

Homosexuality is a grievious sin and Lucifers greatest triumph, and cannot be compared as attempted in above post.

For everyone here using the reason they won't allow their homosexual children in their home is because of the sanctity and sacredness of their home where commandments will be kept...keep the commandments themselves? Refrain from contention (being as it's from the devil)? Serve one another without expecting it back etc?

It just makes me wonder if the issue is more a distain for gays specifically, rather than a distain for breaking commandments.

If your husband or wife broke the commandments, would they not be allowed in the home anymore? Example, word of wisdom. Would you kick your wife out...would you remove yourself or allow your wife to kick you out?

I know that no one is perfect so I have a hard time believing that your home has always been sacred...to who ever uses this stance.

I would love my child and continue to show my love - openly to him or her. Life choices do not affect the fact that they are still human beings and children of God. Love doesn't equal accepting what they are doing...or Christ wouldnt love very many of us.

Thank God there is Christ!

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Just as is? Or is there some important requirement first?
dc

[Rand]

" they won't allow their homosexual children in their home"

This was never the question or situation. It was: "If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home? "

[BeNotDeceived]

Ask if they’ve considered electroshock therapy.

[Juliet]

I think it depends on the person. Some people have not only made it a choice but act as ambassadors for their demons. Others are dealing with demons but are seeking freedom from them with all their heart. So, it depends on the heart of the person. If they come with the desire to hurt others by spreading evil that should not be allowed. But if they come seeking light and desiring to be healed of their darkness they should be allowed and ministered unto. You have to use the gift of discernment. Some people, no matter how loving they are in their words, are out to hurt and destroy others. Don't let in snakes and rabied animals but do minister to the meek and pure of heart. Many are lost because they never knew or saw the light, and we have an obligation to help those people if it is what they desire.

Jesus doesn't heal and bring everyone to the light. He only brings those to healing and life who truly desire it with their hearts and ask in humility, confessing their sin. He does have boundaries. He doesn't allow evil spirits into heaven. If He did, heaven would be hell.

[MMbelieve]

" they won't allow their homosexual children in their home"

This was never the question or situation. It was: "If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home? "

Yes, that was the original question. I was referring to some of the OP responses.

[MMbelieve]

Homosexuality is a grievious sin and Lucifers greatest triumph, and cannot be compared as attempted in above post.

For everyone here using the reason they won't allow their homosexual children in their home is because of the sanctity and sacredness of their home where commandments will be kept...keep the commandments themselves? Refrain from contention (being as it's from the devil)? Serve one another without expecting it back etc?

It just makes me wonder if the issue is more a distain for gays specifically, rather than a distain for breaking commandments.

If your husband or wife broke the commandments, would they not be allowed in the home anymore? Example, word of wisdom. Would you kick your wife out...would you remove yourself or allow your wife to kick you out?

I know that no one is perfect so I have a hard time believing that your home has always been sacred...to who ever uses this stance.

I would love my child and continue to show my love - openly to him or her. Life choices do not affect the fact that they are still human beings and children of God. Love doesn't equal accepting what they are doing...or Christ wouldnt love very many of us.

Yes, sexual sins are more severe than word of wisdom issues. I do understand that.

Let's use a sexual sin then, say your husband is using pornography (or wife) would you demand he/she leave the home to not desecrate it with the vile filth?

Again, I am asking this to the ones who have replied about their home being a sacred place where they wouldnt allow their gay child to enter it.

[Thinker]

What would you do... if you switched cliques and your new click put down anyone who questioned homosexuality. And if you didn’t call them names like “homophobe, bigot or hater” then they would suspect you of it.

What would you do? Join in the name-calling, ignore the name-calling or defend who is being bullied?

I ask because I’ve seen this happen. Members of the church left the church over homosexuality issues and then ganged up on anyone who doesn’t think as they do & hypocritically call people who don’t think as they do, “bigots” and other personal attacks.

[Rand]

" they won't allow their homosexual children in their home"

This was never the question or situation. It was: "If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home? "

Yes, that was the original question. I was referring to some of the OP responses.

I am pretty sure no one intended to say they would not allow their child who choose to be gay into their home. The question was would you let them bring their partner into your home to stay in a bedroom together, or would you ask them to sleep in separate bedrooms.
There is no condemning of those who feel they are gay. There is no condemning of the sinner. It is a question of would you take measures to protect the spirit of your home?
I think you are jousting with windmills.

[MMbelieve]

" they won't allow their homosexual children in their home"

This was never the question or situation. It was: "If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home? "

Yes, that was the original question. I was referring to some of the OP responses.

I am pretty sure no one intended to say they would not allow their child who choose to be gay into their home. The question was would you let them bring their partner into your home to stay in a bedroom together, or would you ask them to sleep in separate bedrooms.
There is no condemning of those who feel they are gay. There is no condemning of the sinner. It is a question of would you take measures to protect the spirit of your home?
I think you are jousting with windmills.

There was a comment about not even accepting the said gay child into the church building.

Never heard that jousting with windmills line before...interesting

[Ratbag]

The Lord allows his children to lead a homosexual lifestyle, supporting them as he does every other of his children. I would do the same with mine. I would do everything I could to love who they love and allow them to live as they believe is right. I would say nothing about homosexuality until my child came to me asking questions and seeking answers and then I would continue to be sensitive of their beliefs, putting my relationship with my child first before everything else so that I could always be there for them as they tried to figure out their life. Every one of us sins. How would I want to be treated by others who are aware of my sins?

Just one thing. God won't allow them into his home. They'll go somewhere else.

[brianj]

Let's use a sexual sin then, say your husband is using pornography (or wife) would you demand he/she leave the home to not desecrate it with the vile filth?

Again, I am asking this to the ones who have replied about their home being a sacred place where they wouldnt allow their gay child to enter it.

I would allow a gay child to enter my home, but not share a bedroom with a partner just as I would not allow a straight unmarried child to share a bedroom with a partner.

Regarding porn, I would insist that anybody caught using porn not do so in my house. I would go further and insist that cell phones, tablets, and computers remain in common rooms so they can't have an opportunity to bring up adult entertainment websites in my home.

[Rand]

This was never the question or situation. It was: "If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home? "

Yes, that was the original question. I was referring to some of the OP responses.

I am pretty sure no one intended to say they would not allow their child who choose to be gay into their home. The question was would you let them bring their partner into your home to stay in a bedroom together, or would you ask them to sleep in separate bedrooms.
There is no condemning of those who feel they are gay. There is no condemning of the sinner. It is a question of would you take measures to protect the spirit of your home?
I think you are jousting with windmills.

There was a comment about not even accepting the said gay child into the church building.

Never heard that jousting with windmills line before...interesting

That one person may feel that way. I am quite sure not many if any others on the board feel that way. Just trying to clarify to reduce any contention that need not exist.

[skmo]

What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?

And what did He say after the crowd dispersed? Was it:

"...go, and sin no more."

or was it

"Okay, Betty, back on your back."

[skmo]

Everybody who is participating in this thread is a hopeless sinner who is not worthy of any kingdom of glory.

Another thing I am is the master of my house. I can set rules for what is allowed and what isn't.

[skmo]

Ok so them are never welcome in your home if they are together. If either of them were without the other partner would you allow them in your home?

My son would be able to come to the house on his own.

Would you be willing to meet them both for dinner at a restaurant away from your home?

Absolutely not.

Here I would disagree, but only so to be able to meet with both to testify to both of the sinful and harmful nature of their actions. I'll meet anyone anywhere to testify of the importance of obedience to gospel principles.

[skmo]

I am pretty sure no one intended to say they would not allow their child who choose to be gay into their home. The question was would you let them bring their partner into your home to stay in a bedroom together, or would you ask them to sleep in separate bedrooms.
There is no condemning of those who feel they are gay. There is no condemning of the sinner. It is a question of would you take measures to protect the spirit of your home?
I think you are jousting with windmills.

There was a comment about not even accepting the said gay child into the church building.

Now that would be too far, in my opinion. As long as a person exercises proper behavior, they should be welcomed in my home or in church. I have, both in the past and in the present, wanted to do something wrong, but as long as I am trying to change and improve myself I'm making good progress. It's the rare person who doesn't sometimes want to do wrong things.

Never heard that jousting with windmills line before...interesting

It comes from "tilting at windmills" from Don Quixote. It means fighting against an imaginary enemy.

[Rose Garden]

The Lord allows his children to lead a homosexual lifestyle, supporting them as he does every other of his children. I would do the same with mine. I would do everything I could to love who they love and allow them to live as they believe is right. I would say nothing about homosexuality until my child came to me asking questions and seeking answers and then I would continue to be sensitive of their beliefs, putting my relationship with my child first before everything else so that I could always be there for them as they tried to figure out their life. Every one of us sins. How would I want to be treated by others who are aware of my sins?

Just one thing. God won't allow them into his home. They'll go somewhere else.

What makes you say that?

[drtanner]

I would agree and think that most would agree that charity in this case would be NOT allowing these individuals to share a room but I would hope coupled with teaching them why / the plan of redemption:

Alma 12: 32 Therefore God gave unto them commandments, AFTER having made known unto them the plan of redemption

But I think where several differ including myself is by casting them out of my home all together. To me this is not Charity and I don’t believe what the Savior would do. This to me seems to be labeling them as something (a homosexual) when the only label I feel they really have is a son or daughter of God. If they are willing not to participate in the “sin” of homosexuality, then they are not sinning by simply being there. We are not defined by our sins, if that were the case and our sins determined our worthiness for lodging we would all be homeless. If someone has quit drinking for years but still as an attraction to drink it wouldn’t make sense to treat him as if he is that thing. I also think we get confused at what calling someone to repentance looks like and what repentance is. Repentance is simply turning from evil to God. To me helping an individual in this process is much more effective when we treat it like the power of the priesthood: with gentleness, kindness, long suffering, meekness, and love unfeigned. With the adulterous woman did Jesus even use the word repent? Was he pounding a pulpet, did he sit her down and give her a piece of his mind? It was a simple question. Where are thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee? Neither do I condemn thee. She was never an adulterer in his eyes, she was a daughter. And because he knew the truth about who she really was she also had the opportunity to believe that about herself.

[MMbelieve]

Do we treat gays more harshly than we treat fornicators, adulterers, chronic porn users, child sex abusers? All of these are sexual sins right? It seems the language is harshest for child abusers and gays. It seems that we judge gays harsher than fornicators and porn users. Why? Sexual sins with same sex or opposite sex are still sexual sins.

There are so many heterosexual marriages and potential marriages harmed greatly, and I don't really see it as any less significant. ANYTHING that thwarts the plan of God for the family is wrong.

Perhaps we can stop treating gays like they are rejects who are inherently unworthy of fair treatment.

I do understand how homosexual marriage is a direct threat to the traditional family and I do not condone it in any way. I have just noticed a trend of very harsh judgement on the people who are gay or who behave gay. I think it would be wise to watch our own hearts and make sure we are not harboring feelings in our hearts that will condemn us.

Christ is the judge and we are told to love one another. This doesn't mean accept or even associate with but we are to love our neighbor as ourselves.

If I was messed up in my life, it would break me to lose the love and support of my parents and family. So...I wouldn't allow myself to cause my children to feel such a thing.

[BeNotDeceived]

What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

...

Yes, then what did he do with the adulterer? Invite her over for dinner, and offer her a room to spend the night, with her lover? No. He said go forth and sin no more. What do you think go means?
dc

Go away, I love you, but keep your sin far from me.

[skmo]

The Lord allows his children to lead a homosexual lifestyle, supporting them as he does every other of his children...

Just one thing. God won't allow them into his home. They'll go somewhere else.

What makes you say that?

The scriptures, the prophets, the promptings of the Spirit, and common sense. God lets us choose our lifestyles, but he has requirements on what we do with our bodies while we're here. I can think my neighbor has a cute wife and not be guilty of a sin. I can't sleep with her and say the same. I may not always have a choice about what my desires are, but I certainly have a choice about whether or not I give in to those desires. If I want to fool around with another guy, it's not a sin. If I DO fool around with another guy, it is a sin. That's the difference.

To me, this comes down to a choice of what I will accept in my home. It's not whether or not I'll allow homosexuals in my home, that has no being on the situation. I have many gay friends, they're always welcome in my home. They're not allowed to borrow my home to have sex. If I had a child with a partner of the opposite sex to whom they were not married, I would not allow them to sleep in the same room.

[skmo]

Do we treat gays more harshly than we treat fornicators, adulterers, chronic porn users, child sex abusers?

I draw a line at child sex abuse. Fornication, adultery, porn are sins needing the Atonement to overcome, to help them gain forgiveness. Child sex abuse is a crime that merits a public death sentence. Something like hanging or beheading.

[MMbelieve]

Do we treat gays more harshly than we treat fornicators, adulterers, chronic porn users, child sex abusers?

I draw a line at child sex abuse. Fornication, adultery, porn are sins needing the Atonement to overcome, to help them gain forgiveness. Child sex abuse is a crime that merits a public death sentence. Something like hanging or beheading.

Yes. This is a very very serious thing as it directly harms an innocent child who will be affected their entire life. It's akin to murder in how it affects the life of the child which is why God himself uses such harsh words regarding hurting children.

On a side note, there isn't any comment I have read about child abusers that didn't call for swift justice on them. If we as human beings seem to generally feel they deserve death, why do we not reflect this in the justice stsyem?

Perhaps you have some piece of advice or insight than can help me understand. I understand the law and such but us humans make the law and have used the death penalty many of times for crimes committed. Its interesting to me to see the masses call for basically the same thing but what happens doesn't reflect that.

[drtanner]

What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

...

Yes, then what did he do with the adulterer? Invite her over for dinner, and offer her a room to spend the night, with her lover? No. He said go forth and sin no more. What do you think go means?
dc

Go away, I love you, but keep your sin far from me.

This has nothing to do with Christ not wanting to be around a person. This was an expression of love. Go.... live your life, your free of the burden of this sin. Remember at this point she was forgiven, "neither do I condemn thee" she was clean from this particular sin.