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Re: What would you do

Postby Arenera » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am

What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
You might be a Bishop, or a Relief Society President, it doesn't matter. You sin everyday. A little sin or a big sin still keeps a person out of the presence of God.
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Re: What would you do

Postby drtanner » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:45 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:51 am
drtanner wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:19 pm
If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home?

We had an interesting conversation about this recently which included a member of our ward who has a gay brother and they asked him and his partner to sleep in separate rooms while visiting. I was surprised at the different opinions and wanted to see what the forum had to say.
They wouldn't be allowed to stay in my house.
Also are you saying period, or overnight?
Period.
Would you welcome them in your ward building or ask them to leave?

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Re: What would you do

Postby drtanner » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:47 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:51 am
drtanner wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:19 pm
If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home?

We had an interesting conversation about this recently which included a member of our ward who has a gay brother and they asked him and his partner to sleep in separate rooms while visiting. I was surprised at the different opinions and wanted to see what the forum had to say.
They wouldn't be allowed to stay in my house.
Also are you saying period, or overnight?
Period.
Ok so they are never welcome in your home if they are together. If either of them were without the other partner would you allow them in your home?
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Re: What would you do

Postby Gage » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:14 am

Have we accepted 2 unwed heterosexual couples living together as ok?

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Re: What would you do

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:32 am

drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:51 am


They wouldn't be allowed to stay in my house.
Also are you saying period, or overnight?
Period.
Ok so them are never welcome in your home if they are together. If either of them were without the other partner would you allow them in your home?
My son would be able to come to the house on his own.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:32 am

drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:45 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:51 am


They wouldn't be allowed to stay in my house.
Also are you saying period, or overnight?
Period.
Would you welcome them in your ward building?
No

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Re: What would you do

Postby bbsion » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:12 pm

Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:31 pm
Gage wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:37 am
Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:45 am
The Lord allows his children to lead a homosexual lifestyle, supporting them as he does every other of his children. I would do the same with mine. I would do everything I could to love who they love and allow them to live as they believe is right. I would say nothing about homosexuality until my child came to me asking questions and seeking answers and then I would continue to be sensitive of their beliefs, putting my relationship with my child first before everything else so that I could always be there for them as they tried to figure out their life. Every one of us sins. How would I want to be treated by others who are aware of my sins?

Are you implying that the Lord supports homosexuality?
Homosexuality, rape, murder, theft, torture . . . He allows us to use our free agency and continues to support humanity even as they commit the most grotesque crimes. He gives sunshine, rain, air, and earth to everyone. I wouldn't say he is supporting homosexuality but he is supporting homosexuals. And he doesn't even make them sleep in different rooms.
As was asked by BruceRGilbert's comment. Would God even allow homosexuality in His house? It's not allowed in the temple for sure... There is a huge difference between allowing people their agency to sin and "supporting" them in their sin. I think it's odd that you think because God allows sunshine and the weather that he is supporting homosexuals.

You can love and not allow or support homosexuality in your home.
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Re: What would you do

Postby drtanner » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:32 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:32 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 am


Also are you saying period, or overnight?
Period.
Ok so them are never welcome in your home if they are together. If either of them were without the other partner would you allow them in your home?
My son would be able to come to the house on his own.
Would you be willing to meet them both for dinner at a restaurant away from your home?

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Re: What would you do

Postby Finrock » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:53 pm

Everybody who is participating in this thread is a hopeless sinner who is not worthy of any kingdom of glory. Only by God condescending to interact with you, unworthy creatures, are you able to ever be in the presence of Deity or get to know Deity in any way. It isn't your goodness that saves you. Its God's mercy and grace. It is silly to think that you are morally superior to any person in any way.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:52 pm

drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:32 pm
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:32 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am


Period.
Ok so them are never welcome in your home if they are together. If either of them were without the other partner would you allow them in your home?
My son would be able to come to the house on his own.
Would you be willing to meet them both for dinner at a restaurant away from your home?
Absolutely not.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Meili » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:41 pm

bbsion wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:12 pm
Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:31 pm
Gage wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:37 am
Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:45 am
The Lord allows his children to lead a homosexual lifestyle, supporting them as he does every other of his children. I would do the same with mine. I would do everything I could to love who they love and allow them to live as they believe is right. I would say nothing about homosexuality until my child came to me asking questions and seeking answers and then I would continue to be sensitive of their beliefs, putting my relationship with my child first before everything else so that I could always be there for them as they tried to figure out their life. Every one of us sins. How would I want to be treated by others who are aware of my sins?

Are you implying that the Lord supports homosexuality?
Homosexuality, rape, murder, theft, torture . . . He allows us to use our free agency and continues to support humanity even as they commit the most grotesque crimes. He gives sunshine, rain, air, and earth to everyone. I wouldn't say he is supporting homosexuality but he is supporting homosexuals. And he doesn't even make them sleep in different rooms.
As was asked by BruceRGilbert's comment. Would God even allow homosexuality in His house? It's not allowed in the temple for sure... There is a huge difference between allowing people their agency to sin and "supporting" them in their sin. I think it's odd that you think because God allows sunshine and the weather that he is supporting homosexuals.

You can love and not allow or support homosexuality in your home.
For me the distinction would be between letting a homosexual in my house and letting one in my bed. Anyone who treats me and my family with respect is welcome into my home. But I won't be going to bed with a lesbian, no matter how much I love her.
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Re: What would you do

Postby Rand » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:12 pm

Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:31 pm
Gage wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:37 am
Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:45 am
The Lord allows his children to lead a homosexual lifestyle, supporting them as he does every other of his children. I would do the same with mine. I would do everything I could to love who they love and allow them to live as they believe is right. I would say nothing about homosexuality until my child came to me asking questions and seeking answers and then I would continue to be sensitive of their beliefs, putting my relationship with my child first before everything else so that I could always be there for them as they tried to figure out their life. Every one of us sins. How would I want to be treated by others who are aware of my sins?

Are you implying that the Lord supports homosexuality?
Homosexuality, rape, murder, theft, torture . . . He allows us to use our free agency and continues to support humanity even as they commit the most grotesque crimes. He gives sunshine, rain, air, and earth to everyone. I wouldn't say he is supporting homosexuality but he is supporting homosexuals. And he doesn't even make them sleep in different rooms.
In the next life, if they do not repent, He will not let them in HIs house. He will not let them sleep together. It is a choice for us now. He will allow us our agency now, but later, in the next stage, we receive the consequences of that agency.
Would you enable their ability to sin, and to bring that sin into your home, with a tacit acceptance of it?
You can love your children while not allowing them to do what ever they want.
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Re: What would you do

Postby Meili » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:03 pm

Rand wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:12 pm
Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:31 pm
Gage wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:37 am
Meili wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:45 am
The Lord allows his children to lead a homosexual lifestyle, supporting them as he does every other of his children. I would do the same with mine. I would do everything I could to love who they love and allow them to live as they believe is right. I would say nothing about homosexuality until my child came to me asking questions and seeking answers and then I would continue to be sensitive of their beliefs, putting my relationship with my child first before everything else so that I could always be there for them as they tried to figure out their life. Every one of us sins. How would I want to be treated by others who are aware of my sins?

Are you implying that the Lord supports homosexuality?
Homosexuality, rape, murder, theft, torture . . . He allows us to use our free agency and continues to support humanity even as they commit the most grotesque crimes. He gives sunshine, rain, air, and earth to everyone. I wouldn't say he is supporting homosexuality but he is supporting homosexuals. And he doesn't even make them sleep in different rooms.
In the next life, if they do not repent, He will not let them in HIs house. He will not let them sleep together. It is a choice for us now. He will allow us our agency now, but later, in the next stage, we receive the consequences of that agency.
Would you enable their ability to sin, and to bring that sin into your home, with a tacit acceptance of it?
You can love your children while not allowing the to do what ever they want.
I don't know what will take place in the next life. I don't know if the homosexuals will be disallowed in the Lord's house there or not. All I know is what this life offers us.

The choices many here on this thread have made as their chosen course of action are ones I know of myself bring frustration, bitterness, and anger, among other things. The course I have chosen is one I know brings hope, joy, and peace.

I don't know about homosexuality in the next life but there is a passage in the Book of Mormon that I strongly believe is true. It says the spirit that possesses a man in this life will possess him in the next. To me, the fruits of either frustration or peace, bitterness or joy, anger or hope, are the fruits of the spirit that is within each of us. Those feelings are produced by whatever spirit we have invited into our souls and fostered there, either the Spirit of the Lord or the dark spirits that roam the earth. I believe that those spirits and those feelings will be a part of our existence after this life.

But either way, even if I'm wrong and the Lord throws out all the homosexuals and possibly throws me out too for having the audacity not to try to stop them from doing what they choose, at least in this life I've found peace. That really makes it all worth it, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: What would you do

Postby skmo » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:32 pm

drtanner wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:19 pm
If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home?
Joshua already answered this one, and I'll take his position:

"...but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

I would welcome family into my home but I would not allow my home to be a place where God's commandments are openly mocked.
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Re: What would you do

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:08 am

Finrock wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:53 pm
Everybody who is participating in this thread is a hopeless sinner who is not worthy of any kingdom of glory. Only by God condescending to interact with you, unworthy creatures, are you able to ever be in the presence of Deity or get to know Deity in any way. It isn't your goodness that saves you. Its God's mercy and grace. It is silly to think that you are morally superior to any person in any way.

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Did any one claim to be "morally superior to any person in any way"?
Please point out where this has occured on this thread.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am

Arenera wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am
What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
You might be a Bishop, or a Relief Society President, it doesn't matter. You sin everyday. A little sin or a big sin still keeps a person out of the presence of God.
Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Rand » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:43 am

Finrock wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:53 pm
Everybody who is participating in this thread is a hopeless sinner who is not worthy of any kingdom of glory. Only by God condescending to interact with you, unworthy creatures, are you able to ever be in the presence of Deity or get to know Deity in any way. It isn't your goodness that saves you. Its God's mercy and grace. It is silly to think that you are morally superior to any person in any way.

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Did Jacob think he was morally superior? Do you think you are morally superior?
What you state is absolutely true about the Savior and our fallen state. But, perhaps you are using a spatula as a hammer.
Besides, we are talking about opinions. People have the right to choose what they would choose. It is also a hypothetical. I suspect in most situations, what they did in reality would be different than what they are saying here.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Arenera » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am
Arenera wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am
What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
You might be a Bishop, or a Relief Society President, it doesn't matter. You sin everyday. A little sin or a big sin still keeps a person out of the presence of God.
Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Re: What would you do

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:54 am

Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am
Arenera wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am
What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
You might be a Bishop, or a Relief Society President, it doesn't matter. You sin everyday. A little sin or a big sin still keeps a person out of the presence of God.
Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...
Not really... I'm not Jesus.
He's the physician, not me.

I Corinthians 5:11

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Re: What would you do

Postby alaris » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:57 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am
drtanner wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:51 am
drtanner wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:19 pm
If you had a son or daughter who was gay and they a married someone of the same sex and they wanted to come home for a family gathering would you allow them to stay overnight in the same room or would you ask them to sleep in separate rooms while in your home?

We had an interesting conversation about this recently which included a member of our ward who has a gay brother and they asked him and his partner to sleep in separate rooms while visiting. I was surprised at the different opinions and wanted to see what the forum had to say.
They wouldn't be allowed to stay in my house.
Also are you saying period, or overnight?
Period.
I would let my child stay overnight but not his or her partner at all. I've taught my children respect and a love for the gospel, and I have taught them that their decisions and actions within the walls of our home affects our home's sanctity. So, if they went this far out of bounds, I'm sure they wouldn't even think to ask if their partner could stay overnight.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Arenera » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:13 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:54 am
Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am
Arenera wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am
What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?


You might be a Bishop, or a Relief Society President, it doesn't matter. You sin everyday. A little sin or a big sin still keeps a person out of the presence of God.
Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...
Not really... I'm not Jesus.
He's the physician, not me.

I Corinthians 5:11
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33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
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Re: What would you do

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:15 am

Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:13 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:54 am
Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am


Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...
Not really... I'm not Jesus.
He's the physician, not me.

I Corinthians 5:11
Can’t get out of it...

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Do you know what wresting the scriptures is?
I suggest you read the 6 verses you missed out in order to get some context.
And while you're at it read Psalm 119:115.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Rand » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am

Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am
Arenera wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am
What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
You might be a Bishop, or a Relief Society President, it doesn't matter. You sin everyday. A little sin or a big sin still keeps a person out of the presence of God.
Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
If they came and stayed at your home, would you do what Jesus did, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."?

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Re: What would you do

Postby Arenera » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:14 pm

Rand wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am
Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am
Arenera wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am
What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?


You might be a Bishop, or a Relief Society President, it doesn't matter. You sin everyday. A little sin or a big sin still keeps a person out of the presence of God.
Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
If they came and stayed at your home, would you do what Jesus did, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."?
While Jesus gave the law, he represents mercy and love. What are the great commandments?

How would you want to be treated?
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Re: What would you do

Postby Rand » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:28 pm

Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:14 pm
Rand wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am
Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am


Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
If they came and stayed at your home, would you do what Jesus did, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."?
While Jesus gave the law, he represents mercy and love. What are the great commandments?

How would you want to be treated?
I guess it depends on how you see Christ manifesting his mission in life.
I would want to have the Gospel and its principles correctly taught to me.
If I were behaving in a way that offended the Spirit, undermined God's kingdom, or harmed some other person by helping them commit sin, I would hope He would call me to repentance and that I would comply.

If he just treated me nicely, and allowed me to walk in a path contrary to his Gospel path, and made sure I knew I was loved as I found my way to the great and spacious building, I would be offended.

I don't want a participation award. I don't want everyone pacifying my need to be accepted on this earth. I want to do all I can to honor God, to honor the Savior and His atoning sacrifice, and to build His Kingdom by seeking to keep my covenants.

I would never hate my child because they struggled. I would never reject them. But, I would also never allow their confusion or waywardness to dilute what is true. And a powerful truth is that we carry the sins of others if we do not warn, teach and invite to come unto Christ. But, we will not be condemned for doing those things in love.
The person being called to repentance might not think it is love, as in Laman, Lemuel, etc. But their feelings, while engaged in sin, are not going to guide my choices nor behavior. Nephi never enabled them in sin. Neither should we with our loved ones or children. .

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Re: What would you do

Postby Arenera » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:36 pm

Rand wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:28 pm
Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:14 pm
Rand wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am
Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am


You still have problems...

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
If they came and stayed at your home, would you do what Jesus did, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."?
While Jesus gave the law, he represents mercy and love. What are the great commandments?

How would you want to be treated?
I guess it depends on how you see Christ manifesting his mission in life.
I would want to have the Gospel and its principles correctly taught to me.
If I were behaving in a way that offended the Spirit, undermined God's kingdom, or harmed some other person by helping them commit sin, I would hope He would call me to repentance and that I would comply.

If he just treated me nicely, and allowed me to walk in a path contrary to his Gospel path, and made sure I knew I was loved as I found my way to the great and spacious building, I would be offended.

I don't want a participation award. I don't want everyone pacifying my need to be accepted on this earth. I want to do all I can to honor God, to honor the Savior and His atoning sacrifice, and to build His Kingdom by seeking to keep my covenants.

I would never hate my child because they struggled. I would never reject them. But, I would also never allow their confusion or waywardness to dilute what is true. And a powerful truth is that we carry the sins of others if we do not warn, teach and invite to come unto Christ. But, we will not be condemned for doing those things in love.
The person being called to repentance might not think it is love, as in Laman, Lemuel, etc. But their feelings, while engaged in sin, are not going to guide my choices nor behavior. Nephi never enabled them in sin. Neither should we with our loved ones or children. .
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Re: What would you do

Postby David13 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:22 pm

Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:14 pm
Rand wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am
Arenera wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:47 am
Robin Hood wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 am


Apples and oranges mate.
No one is suggesting we should execute these people.
You still have problems...

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
If they came and stayed at your home, would you do what Jesus did, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."?
While Jesus gave the law, he represents mercy and love. What are the great commandments?

How would you want to be treated?

I want to be called to repentance. In fact I have been called to repentance, and have answered the call.
If I had kids in this situation, I would indeed treat them as I would want to be treated, that is not enabled in my sin, but called to repentance. Period.
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Re: What would you do

Postby David13 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:27 pm

Arenera wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am
What did Jesus say to those who wanted to stone the woman caught in the very act of adultery?
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
...

Yes, then what did he do with the adulterer? Invite her over for dinner, and offer her a room to spend the night, with her lover? No. He said go forth and sin no more. What do you think go means?
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Re: What would you do

Postby MMbelieve » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:08 pm

For everyone here using the reason they won't allow their homosexual children in their home is because of the sanctity and sacredness of their home where commandments will be kept...keep the commandments themselves? Refrain from contention (being as it's from the devil)? Serve one another without expecting it back etc?

It just makes me wonder if the issue is more a distain for gays specifically, rather than a distain for breaking commandments.

If your husband or wife broke the commandments, would they not be allowed in the home anymore? Example, word of wisdom. Would you kick your wife out...would you remove yourself or allow your wife to kick you out?

I know that no one is perfect so I have a hard time believing that your home has always been sacred...to who ever uses this stance.

I would love my child and continue to show my love - openly to him or her. Life choices do not affect the fact that they are still human beings and children of God. Love doesn't equal accepting what they are doing...or Christ wouldnt love very many of us.

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Re: What would you do

Postby Elizabeth » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:52 pm

Homosexuality is a grievious sin and Lucifers greatest triumph, and cannot be compared as attempted in above post.
MMbelieve wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:08 pm
For everyone here using the reason they won't allow their homosexual children in their home is because of the sanctity and sacredness of their home where commandments will be kept...keep the commandments themselves? Refrain from contention (being as it's from the devil)? Serve one another without expecting it back etc?

It just makes me wonder if the issue is more a distain for gays specifically, rather than a distain for breaking commandments.

If your husband or wife broke the commandments, would they not be allowed in the home anymore? Example, word of wisdom. Would you kick your wife out...would you remove yourself or allow your wife to kick you out?

I know that no one is perfect so I have a hard time believing that your home has always been sacred...to who ever uses this stance.

I would love my child and continue to show my love - openly to him or her. Life choices do not affect the fact that they are still human beings and children of God. Love doesn't equal accepting what they are doing...or Christ wouldnt love very many of us.
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