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[lundbaek]

O ye of little faith who do not believe that if lots more members of the Church had responded positively to these statements and others similar, America would not be in the "awful situation" that it is in today. I don't think Church authorities, especially Presidents McKay, Clark, and Benson were so ignorant as some LDSs seem to think they were.

I believe that at his point we are beyond the point of no return, and will not see the principles of the US Constitution again until after the cleansing of America. And maybe those men saw that then. But our efforts in restoring constitutional principles are awakening some people, including a few LDS people, to the advisability of learning, upholding and abiding by the principles of the Constitution, thus more people to be part of that remnant that will, as prophesied, restore the principles of the Constitution to government.

[Arenera]

O ye of little faith who do not believe that if lots more members of the Church had responded positively to these statements and others similar, America would not be in the "awful situation" that it is in today. I don't think Church authorities, especially Presidents McKay, Clark, and Benson were so ignorant as some LDSs seem to think they were.

I believe that at his point we are beyond the point of no return, and will not see the principles of the US Constitution again until after the cleansing of America. And maybe those men saw that then. But our efforts in restoring constitutional principles are awakening some people, including a few LDS people, to the advisability of learning, upholding and abiding by the principles of the Constitution, thus more people to be part of that remnant that will, as prophesied, restore the principles of the Constitution to government.

Your numbers don’t compute.

By the way, would you rob God?

Yes, God invokes a 10% tax, called tithing.

[Fiannan]

By the way, would you rob God?

Yes, God invokes a 10% tax, called tithing.

What is that supposed to mean?

[Arenera]

By the way, would you rob God?

Yes, God invokes a 10% tax, called tithing.

What is that supposed to mean?

The US has income tax. God has tithing.

[Fiannan]

By the way, would you rob God?

Yes, God invokes a 10% tax, called tithing.

What is that supposed to mean?

The US has income tax. God has tithing.

One you can be jailed for not paying. The other you have a choice.

[Arenera]

By the way, would you rob God?

Yes, God invokes a 10% tax, called tithing.

What is that supposed to mean?

The US has income tax. God has tithing.

One you can be jailed for not paying. The other you have a choice.

Pay it now or pay for it later. A choice, with serious consequences.

[ParticleMan]

The US has income tax. God has tithing.

One you can be jailed for not paying. The other you have a choice.

Actually, in both you have a choice. Relative to not tithing, you have to play by the rules of their rigged game. A friend of mine is a staunch proponent of agency and liberty. He hasn't paid the hit men for the non-federal no-reserve for many years without issue.

And it's same story with licensure to drive. My friend knows his rights in that he even made his own license plate, which he doesn't need to register. When the occasional ignorant officer summons him to court, the judge always dismisses the non-case.

[Benjamin_LK]

I vote every year. Even the local town and county elections matter to me. Sorry, but I am going to make a statement as to who I think is best suited for office whenever I can.

[Ezra]

By the way, would you rob God?

Yes, God invokes a 10% tax, called tithing.

What is that supposed to mean?

The US has income tax. God has tithing.

Satan uses force, god uses agency.

Income tax vs tithing is a great example.

You continue to show you prefer Satan’s plan.

[Ezra]

"The majority of lds through all the modern prophets including Ezra Taft Benson who spoke of the need for us to understand and defend the constitution and our freedoms have been disregarded or ignored."

"Brethren, if we had done our homework and were faithful, we could step forward at this time and help save this country. The fact that most of us are unprepared to do it is an indictment we will have to bear. The longer we wait, the heavier the chains, the deeper the blood, the more the persecution, and the less we can carry out our God-given mandate and worldwide mission. The war in heaven is raging on earth today. Are you being neutralized in the battle?"

I believe that if lots more members of the Church had responded positively to these statements and others similar, America would not be in the "awful situation" that it is in today.

You make no sense. 6,000,000 Mormons in US, 380,000,000 people in US.

That isn’t enough to effect a change.

The US and other gentile nations rejected the gospel. That is why the world is in a mess.

A prophet of god said it was possible. Are you more learned and wise then a prophet of god????

You sure seem to think so.

[Crackers]

I vote every year. Even the local town and county elections matter to me. Sorry, but I am going to make a statement as to who I think is best suited for office whenever I can.

You seem to be obsessed though seeing as that you have a waving american flag as your avatar.

That was very astute! I'm sure I don't even have to tell you how obsessed I am with crackers. It's all I eat, all day every day. Great for your energy. Does wonders for the skin. I even decorate with them....

[Arenera]

A prophet of god said it was possible. Are you more learned and wise then a prophet of god????

You sure seem to think so.

I've shown that your 1% solution has no chance.

What do you recommend people do? I know your AR-15s aren't going to help you either. What are you suggesting?

[Ezra]

A prophet of god said it was possible. Are you more learned and wise then a prophet of god????

You sure seem to think so.

I've shown that your 1% solution has no chance.

What do you recommend people do? I know your AR-15s aren't going to help you either. What are you suggesting?

You have shown only your own ignorance.

Oh ye of little faith. If a prophet of God says something you don’t agree with or understand what should you do??
Complain? Turn your back? Scoff and belittle those that do??

The answer is easy. You pray for understanding. If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God.

The power of the priesthood is truly powerful.

Have you experienced the power of the priesthood in your life???

The way you speak I find myself asking. Do you even believe in the gospel?? I really want to know do you?

If you do believe in the gospel you should know that through God all things are possible.

From your comments I feel you trust in government and man more then God. Your foundations are built on sand.

[Arenera]

A prophet of god said it was possible. Are you more learned and wise then a prophet of god????

You sure seem to think so.

I've shown that your 1% solution has no chance.

What do you recommend people do? I know your AR-15s aren't going to help you either. What are you suggesting?

You have shown only your own ignorance.

Oh ye of little faith. If a prophet of God says something you don’t agree with or understand what should you do??
Complain? Turn your back? Scoff and belittle those that do??

The answer is easy. You pray for understanding. If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God.

The power of the priesthood is truly powerful.

Have you experienced the power of the priesthood in your life???

The way you speak I find myself asking. Do you even believe in the gospel?? I really want to know do you?

If you do believe in the gospel you should know that through God all things are possible.

From your comments I feel you trust in government and man more then God. Your foundations are built on sand.

Power of the Priesthood = Charity and humility. Notice the comments some of you make to try and prove your position.

I think you are Birchers.

The John Birch Society (JBS) is a self-described conservative advocacy group supporting anti-communism and limited government. It has been described as a radical right and far-right organization.

Former Eisenhower cabinet member Ezra Taft Benson—a leading Mormon—spoke in favor of the John Birch Society, but in January 1963 the LDS church issued a statement distancing itself from the Society.

The Society has been active in supporting the auditing of, and aims to eventually dismantle, the Federal Reserve System. The JBS holds that the United States Constitution gives only Congress the ability to coin money, and does not permit it to delegate this power, or to transform the dollar into a fiat currency not backed by gold or silver.

While you try to quote the Book of Mormon, you are missing the point of the Book of Mormon for our time.

[Ezra]

A prophet of god said it was possible. Are you more learned and wise then a prophet of god????

You sure seem to think so.

I've shown that your 1% solution has no chance.

What do you recommend people do? I know your AR-15s aren't going to help you either. What are you suggesting?

You have shown only your own ignorance.

Oh ye of little faith. If a prophet of God says something you don’t agree with or understand what should you do??
Complain? Turn your back? Scoff and belittle those that do??

The answer is easy. You pray for understanding. If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God.

The power of the priesthood is truly powerful.

Have you experienced the power of the priesthood in your life???

The way you speak I find myself asking. Do you even believe in the gospel?? I really want to know do you?

If you do believe in the gospel you should know that through God all things are possible.

From your comments I feel you trust in government and man more then God. Your foundations are built on sand.

Power of the Priesthood = Charity and humility. Notice the comments some of you make to try and prove your position.

I think you are Birchers.

The John Birch Society (JBS) is a self-described conservative advocacy group supporting anti-communism and limited government. It has been described as a radical right and far-right organization.

Former Eisenhower cabinet member Ezra Taft Benson—a leading Mormon—spoke in favor of the John Birch Society, but in January 1963 the LDS church issued a statement distancing itself from the Society.

The Society has been active in supporting the auditing of, and aims to eventually dismantle, the Federal Reserve System. The JBS holds that the United States Constitution gives only Congress the ability to coin money, and does not permit it to delegate this power, or to transform the dollar into a fiat currency not backed by gold or silver.

While you try to quote the Book of Mormon, you are missing the point of the Book of Mormon for our time.

You really want to label me don’t you. I’m not a bircher.

Your wrong once again. Wow what a surprise.

Priesthood power doesn’t equal humility and charity. Those are characteristics of of people who “can” use the power. Not what the power is.

The Book of Mormon use for our time has been explained explained many time. Once again you show your ignorance.

Here is yet another time I get to quote prophets that you will continue to ignore to claim your position that is not based in reality or righteousness.

Gordon b Hinkley

“The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras.

No other written testament so clearly illustrates the fact that when men and nations walk in the fear of God and in obedience to His commandments, they prosper and grow, but when they disregard Him and His word, there comes a decay that, unless arrested by righteousness, leads to impotence and death. The Book of Mormon is an affirmation of the Old Testament proverb: “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people” (Proverbs 14:34).

The God of heaven spoke to these people of the Americas through prophets, telling them where true security could be found: “Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ” (Ether 2:12).”




So how will counter the words of our prophet this time???

You really should awake to your awful situation. Educate yourself so you stop putting your foot in your mouth.

Also why do you complain about me quoting the Book of Mormon? Is it because you cannot quote it to support your case? I think that is the case. I know it’s the case as the scriptures speak against your political ideals.

[Arenera]

I've shown that your 1% solution has no chance.

What do you recommend people do? I know your AR-15s aren't going to help you either. What are you suggesting?

You have shown only your own ignorance.

Oh ye of little faith. If a prophet of God says something you don’t agree with or understand what should you do??
Complain? Turn your back? Scoff and belittle those that do??

The answer is easy. You pray for understanding. If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God.

The power of the priesthood is truly powerful.

Have you experienced the power of the priesthood in your life???

The way you speak I find myself asking. Do you even believe in the gospel?? I really want to know do you?

If you do believe in the gospel you should know that through God all things are possible.

From your comments I feel you trust in government and man more then God. Your foundations are built on sand.

Power of the Priesthood = Charity and humility. Notice the comments some of you make to try and prove your position.

I think you are Birchers.

The John Birch Society (JBS) is a self-described conservative advocacy group supporting anti-communism and limited government. It has been described as a radical right and far-right organization.

Former Eisenhower cabinet member Ezra Taft Benson—a leading Mormon—spoke in favor of the John Birch Society, but in January 1963 the LDS church issued a statement distancing itself from the Society.

The Society has been active in supporting the auditing of, and aims to eventually dismantle, the Federal Reserve System. The JBS holds that the United States Constitution gives only Congress the ability to coin money, and does not permit it to delegate this power, or to transform the dollar into a fiat currency not backed by gold or silver.

While you try to quote the Book of Mormon, you are missing the point of the Book of Mormon for our time.

You really want to label me don’t you. I’m not a bircher.

Your wrong once again. Wow what a surprise.

Priesthood power doesn’t equal humility and charity. Those are characteristics of of people who “can” use the power. Not what the power is.

The Book of Mormon use for our time has been explained explained many time. Once again you show your ignorance.

Here is yet another time I get to quote prophets that you will continue to ignore to claim your position that is not based in reality or righteousness.

Gordon b Hinkley

“The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras.

No other written testament so clearly illustrates the fact that when men and nations walk in the fear of God and in obedience to His commandments, they prosper and grow, but when they disregard Him and His word, there comes a decay that, unless arrested by righteousness, leads to impotence and death. The Book of Mormon is an affirmation of the Old Testament proverb: “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people” (Proverbs 14:34).

The God of heaven spoke to these people of the Americas through prophets, telling them where true security could be found: “Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ” (Ether 2:12).”




So how will counter the words of our prophet this time???

You really should awake to your awful situation. Educate yourself so you stop putting your foot in your mouth.

Also why do you complain about me quoting the Book of Mormon? Is it because you cannot quote it to support your case? I think that is the case. I know it’s the case as the scriptures speak against your political ideals.

You don't get it. See Jacob 4:6-7

[Ezra]

You have shown only your own ignorance.

Oh ye of little faith. If a prophet of God says something you don’t agree with or understand what should you do??
Complain? Turn your back? Scoff and belittle those that do??

The answer is easy. You pray for understanding. If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God.

The power of the priesthood is truly powerful.

Have you experienced the power of the priesthood in your life???

The way you speak I find myself asking. Do you even believe in the gospel?? I really want to know do you?

If you do believe in the gospel you should know that through God all things are possible.

From your comments I feel you trust in government and man more then God. Your foundations are built on sand.

Power of the Priesthood = Charity and humility. Notice the comments some of you make to try and prove your position.

I think you are Birchers.

The John Birch Society (JBS) is a self-described conservative advocacy group supporting anti-communism and limited government. It has been described as a radical right and far-right organization.

Former Eisenhower cabinet member Ezra Taft Benson—a leading Mormon—spoke in favor of the John Birch Society, but in January 1963 the LDS church issued a statement distancing itself from the Society.

The Society has been active in supporting the auditing of, and aims to eventually dismantle, the Federal Reserve System. The JBS holds that the United States Constitution gives only Congress the ability to coin money, and does not permit it to delegate this power, or to transform the dollar into a fiat currency not backed by gold or silver.

While you try to quote the Book of Mormon, you are missing the point of the Book of Mormon for our time.

You really want to label me don’t you. I’m not a bircher.

Your wrong once again. Wow what a surprise.

Priesthood power doesn’t equal humility and charity. Those are characteristics of of people who “can” use the power. Not what the power is.

The Book of Mormon use for our time has been explained explained many time. Once again you show your ignorance.

Here is yet another time I get to quote prophets that you will continue to ignore to claim your position that is not based in reality or righteousness.

Gordon b Hinkley

“The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems.

I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras.

No other written testament so clearly illustrates the fact that when men and nations walk in the fear of God and in obedience to His commandments, they prosper and grow, but when they disregard Him and His word, there comes a decay that, unless arrested by righteousness, leads to impotence and death. The Book of Mormon is an affirmation of the Old Testament proverb: “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people” (Proverbs 14:34).

The God of heaven spoke to these people of the Americas through prophets, telling them where true security could be found: “Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ” (Ether 2:12).”




So how will counter the words of our prophet this time???

You really should awake to your awful situation. Educate yourself so you stop putting your foot in your mouth.

Also why do you complain about me quoting the Book of Mormon? Is it because you cannot quote it to support your case? I think that is the case. I know it’s the case as the scriptures speak against your political ideals.

You don't get it. See Jacob 4:6-7

You don’t get it.

6 Wherefore, we search the prophets, and we have many revelations and the spirit of prophecy; and having all these witnesses we obtain a hope, and our faith becometh unshaken, insomuch that we truly can command in the name of Jesus and the very trees obey us, or the mountains, or the waves of the sea.
7 Nevertheless, the Lord God showeth us our weakness that we may know that it is by his grace, and his great condescensions unto the children of men, that we have power to do these things.

Commanding the trees and mountains and waves is priesthood power bestowed by god.

God shows us our weakness that we know it’s his power not our own.

Humility is a characteristic of those who can use the power of god through priesthood. Humility is not the power itself. Thank you for providing a scripture which goes hand in hand with exactly what I said.

But I do like the attempt to change the subject from the above quote from a prophet of god. Please do explain how president Hinkley was wrong or how you know more then him.

[lundbaek]

I am a member of the John Birch Society (a Bircher) and grateful for the work the JBS has done since its foundation in 1958 in exposing the very conspiracy that Moroni and President Benson warned us about, promoting the principles of the US Constitution, and the same standard of morality promoted by the LDS Church. I consider the JBS the best, most effective organization that LDS people could affiliate with it they wish to help restore the US Constitution after the cleansing of America. And I consider the Constitution Party the best political party one could support if one wishes to promote the principles of the Constitution.

[Fiannan]

I am a member of the John Birch Society (a Bircher) and grateful for the work the JBS has done since its foundation in 1958 in exposing the very conspiracy that Moroni and President Benson warned us about, promoting the principles of the US Constitution, and the same standard of morality promoted by the LDS Church. I consider the JBS the best, most effective organization that LDS people could affiliate with it they wish to help restore the US Constitution after the cleansing of America. And I consider the Constitution Party the best political party one could support if one wishes to promote the principles of the Constitution.

It is interesting that many of the predictions given by groups such as these, which even in the 1980s seems absurd, are now the headlines today.

[lundbaek]

From a speech given in 1958 by the Founder of the John Birch Society, Robert Welch:

A part of that plan, of course, is to induce the gradual surrender of American sovereignty piece by piece and step by step to various international organizations of which the United Nations is the ourstanding but far from the only example. And now -------for the United States

1. Greatly expanded government spending by every conceivable means of getting rid of ever larger sums of American money as wastefully as possible.

2. Higher and much higher taxes.

3. An increasingly unbalanced budget despite the higher taxes.

4. Wild inflation of our currency.

5. Government control of wages and prices and materials, supposedly to combat inflation

6. Greatly increased socialistic controls over every operation of our economy and every activity of our daily lives.

[Ezra]

From a speech given in 1958 by the Founder of the John Birch Society, Robert Welch:

A part of that plan, of course, is to induce the gradual surrender of American sovereignty piece by piece and step by step to various international organizations of which the United Nations is the ourstanding but far from the only example. And now -------for the United States

1. Greatly expanded government spending by every conceivable means of getting rid of ever larger sums of American money as wastefully as possible.

2. Higher and much higher taxes.

3. An increasingly unbalanced budget despite the higher taxes.

4. Wild inflation of our currency.

5. Government control of wages and prices and materials, supposedly to combat inflation

6. Greatly increased socialistic controls over every operation of our economy and every activity of our daily lives.

Sounds pretty darn accurate

[Arenera]

The Church does not endorse the Birch society.

You have said how you don’t like welfare. In Zion, there is no poor. The poor are elevated. You try to use scriptures to elevate your beliefs but it doesn’t help.

[Ezra]

The Church does not endorse the Birch society.

You have said how you don’t like welfare. In Zion, there is no poor. The poor are elevated. You try to use scriptures to elevate your beliefs but it doesn’t help.

Dose the church endorse the Democratic Party? Republican Party? Constitutional party?

No they stay neutral.
Why??? Because it’s a slothful and not a wise servant that needs to be commanded in all things.

Our modern prophets from Joseph Smith on down have all spoken on our need to support uphold the constitution and its principles. Nothing has changed. They didn’t tell people how to vote then and don’t now.

From my understanding the lds saints used to be much much more uniform in their voting though. It’s one of the reasons they were so feared and persecuted where ever they went. They would vote to end slavery. They would vote against socialist ideas.

[Fiannan]

The Church does not endorse the Birch society.

You have said how you don’t like welfare. In Zion, there is no poor. The poor are elevated. You try to use scriptures to elevate your beliefs but it doesn’t help.

Twisting Gospel principles like this reminds me of an expert in scriptures having a discussion with Jesus as he was fasting in the wilderness.

[Arenera]

The Church does not endorse the Birch society.

You have said how you don’t like welfare. In Zion, there is no poor. The poor are elevated. You try to use scriptures to elevate your beliefs but it doesn’t help.

Twisting Gospel principles like this reminds me of an expert in scriptures having a discussion with Jesus as he was fasting in the wilderness.

Who is twisting principles?

3 And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond and free, but they were all made free, and partakers of the heavenly gift.