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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Fiannan » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:13 pm

Anyone ever see "Mitt Romney Style" on Youtube?
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Irrelevant » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:16 pm

Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:01 am
Irrelevant wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:48 am
What would make him a great senator?
He has served as a Governor, Business man, Stake President, Bishop. He doesn't own an AR-15. He does care about the poor. He doesn't want to redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich. He doesn't want to be Trump's good buddy. etc., etc., etc.

He would be a great senator!
Plenty of people fit the bill, then. Literally none of the things you mentioned would make a person a great senator. What has he done? What stance on a particular subject draws you to him or what plan does he have for x, y, or z that lets you know that he'd be great? What does great mean in this context?

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Irrelevant » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:19 pm

Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:46 am
Silver wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:08 am
Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:01 am
Irrelevant wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:48 am
What would make him a great senator?
He has served as a Governor, Business man, Stake President, Bishop. He doesn't own an AR-15. He does care about the poor. He doesn't want to redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich. He doesn't want to be Trump's good buddy. etc., etc., etc.

He would be a great senator!
Romney shows no inclination to abolish the immoral and unconstitutional Federal Reserve system. That is, by definition, approval of redistributing wealth from the non-rich to the rich.
The Federal Reserve provides a safer, more flexible, and more stable monetary and financial system.

Utahans like Romney, even democrats:
Voters from all across the board supported Romney, the survey reported, with nearly 95 percent of Republicans and 22 percent of Democrats selecting him over Wilson. More than half of the independent voters polled also preferred Romney over Wilson, according to the poll.
Because both major parties are basically the same. It should be no surprise.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Irrelevant » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:29 pm

Who is against the federal reserve? Our country's founders, for starters, they having written the Constitution. Here's a slightly old but brief article on the subject:

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/top ... al-reserve

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Arenera » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:29 pm

Irrelevant wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:16 pm
Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:01 am
Irrelevant wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:48 am
What would make him a great senator?
He has served as a Governor, Business man, Stake President, Bishop. He doesn't own an AR-15. He does care about the poor. He doesn't want to redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich. He doesn't want to be Trump's good buddy. etc., etc., etc.

He would be a great senator!
Plenty of people fit the bill, then. Literally none of the things you mentioned would make a person a great senator. What has he done? What stance on a particular subject draws you to him or what plan does he have for x, y, or z that lets you know that he'd be great? What does great mean in this context?
I knew Romney would not be popular at LDSFF. However, none of "people fit the bill" have a chance of being noticed. Support Romney, be a winner!
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Crackers » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:57 pm

Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:29 pm
Irrelevant wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:16 pm
Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:01 am
Irrelevant wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:48 am
What would make him a great senator?
He has served as a Governor, Business man, Stake President, Bishop. He doesn't own an AR-15. He does care about the poor. He doesn't want to redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich. He doesn't want to be Trump's good buddy. etc., etc., etc.

He would be a great senator!
Plenty of people fit the bill, then. Literally none of the things you mentioned would make a person a great senator. What has he done? What stance on a particular subject draws you to him or what plan does he have for x, y, or z that lets you know that he'd be great? What does great mean in this context?
I knew Romney would not be popular at LDSFF. However, none of "people fit the bill" have a chance of being noticed. Support Romney, be a winner!
Again, what would make him a good senator? What about his politics do you like? Silver and Lunbaek mentioned several of his policies that don't speak for him being a palatable conservative candidate. You have mentioned things he cares about and things he wants/doesn't want, but this is Democrat code for "only judge me by my desires, not my actions." I mean, really, who doesn't care about the poor? We all do. Action is what we can judge our candidates on. Romney's past actions don't win me over. The fact that he appeals to both the republicans and the democrats just emphasizes his lack of commitment to either party's platform. His appeal is mainly in his name, his charisma and his LDS background. Sadly, this is all most voters are looking for.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby sandman45 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:59 pm

Ezra wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:18 pm
Romney should run off a pier.

We need constitutional people. All else will only continue to harm our freedoms.
Agreed.. Romney is bought and paid for and will run THEIR agenda..

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Crackers » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:00 pm

And I agree that the Federal Reserve stinks. How many more votes do we need to not be considered a fringe element? :)

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby sandman45 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:02 pm

Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:01 am
Irrelevant wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:48 am
What would make him a great senator?
He has served as a Governor, Business man, Stake President, Bishop. He doesn't own an AR-15. He does care about the poor. He doesn't want to redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich. He doesn't want to be Trump's good buddy. etc., etc., etc.

He would be a great senator!
Don't be fooled by wolves in sheeps clothing.. just because he was a Bishop or Stake President will not make him a great Senator..

Guarantee he would have taken a payout from many lobbyists to vote their way.. I mean look at who funded his presidential campaign.. pretty sure one was Goldman Sachs.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby sandman45 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:06 pm

Crackers wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:00 pm
And I agree that the Federal Reserve stinks. How many more votes do we need to not be considered a fringe element? :)
END THE FED!!!

The Federal Reserve is one of many central banks in the world.. its a LARGE BEAST..
The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) is an international financial institution owned by central banks which "fosters international monetary and financial cooperation and serves as a bank for central banks". The BIS carries out its work through its meetings, programmes and through the Basel Process – hosting international groups pursuing global financial stability and facilitating their interaction. It also provides banking services, but only to central banks and other international organizations. It is based in Basel, Switzerland, with representative offices in Hong Kong and Mexico City.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_ ... ettlements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_central_banks

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby lundbaek » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:16 pm

This topic reminds me of the late Bob Henstra, who insisted that Romney being a priesthood holder was all that mattered.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Arenera » Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:49 pm

Who is good enough for you? Your choices have no chance. Well, less than 1% chance.

Donald J. Trump Republican 515,231 45.1%
Hillary Clinton Democrat 310,676 27.2 —
Evan McMullin Independent. 243,690 21.3 —
Gary Johnson Libertarian. 39,608 3.5 —
Jill Stein Independent. 9,438 0.8 —
Darrell Castle Constitution. 8,032 0.7 —
Rocky Giordani Independent. 2,752 0.2 —
Rocky De La Fuente Independent 883 0.1 —
Monica Moorehead Independent. 544 0.0 —
Alyson Kennedy Independent. 521 0.0
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Silver » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:17 pm

In the Sanhedrin,
Pharisees 45.1%
Sadducees 27.2%
Essenes 21.3%
Zealots 6.3%
Followers of Jesus 0.1%
Total 100%

So, uhm, you could go with the "winning" party, or you could choose the right.

George Romney attacked Barry Goldwater. Mitt Romney belittled Ron Paul. By their fruits ye shall know them. The Romneys are rich boys intent on maintaining a status quo of income inequality. They are true snakes in the grass.
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby simpleton » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:18 pm

Yes flip flopping pro gay pro abortion ( well at least that is the platform he ran on as a gubernatorial candidate of the state of Massachusetts) Romney would make a wonderful senater as he would fit right in with the rest of the rest of our wonderful legislators...

Abortion Edit
In a 1994 debate with Senator Ted Kennedy, Romney said: "One of the great things about our nation ... is that we're each entitled to have strong personal beliefs, and we encourage other people to do the same. But as a nation, we recognize the right of all people to believe as they want and not to impose our beliefs on other people. I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law, and the right of a woman to make that choice, and my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign....

The above quote alone is far more than enough for me to lose complete respect for that man and his mother and any person for that matter that would condone the murder of innocent blood... I think Mitt Romney is a political disgrace and a disgrace to "Mormonism" for taking that stance...

LGBT rights...
Prior to Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, he had a varied history regarding LGBT rights in the United States. During his 1994 senate campaign and 2002 Massachusetts gubernatorial campaign, Romney said he would have a better policy providing for domestic partnerships than his Democratic opponents.[300] In 1994, Romney sent a letter to the Log Cabin Republicans saying that he would be a stronger advocate for gay rights in the Senate than his opponent at the time, Senator Edward M. Kennedy. His letter included the phrase "We must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern."[301] In 2002, Romney spoke regarding domestic partnership benefits, saying, "All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual orientation." Romney said that domestic partnership status should be recognized in a way that includes the potential for health benefits and rights of survivorship...


He would fit right in the Senate today...

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Silver » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:35 pm

You know what is truly sad? The truth, plainly stated, rarely changes any minds in the world in general, but in particular here on LDSFF. The people that like Romney for whatever reason are still going to support him in spite of all the evidence that his political ideals and motivations should be loathed. Mitt ain't worthy of being elected as village dogcatcher, but that doesn't matter to the willfully ignorant and obstinate one-party believers here.
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Lizzy60 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:18 pm

A good place to,start on research about the Federal Reserve is the book "The Creature From Jekyll Island". Very well-written and informative without being dry. We have copies at work that are constantly on loan to clients and friends. I've not yet met a person who regretted reading it.

Being ignorant about something only means you haven't yet become educated on the subject. It's not an insult.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Fiannan » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:08 pm

Out of the entire state of Utah are you going to get stuck with looser Mitt Romney?
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Fiannan » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:18 pm

Remember when looser Mitt Romney attacked Trump during the election?

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Durzan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:23 am

lundbaek wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:44 am
I am very much "against the Federal Reserve". It was created to usurp the responsibility of the US Congress mandated by Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution to create money and has done so such that inflation has been robbing holders of US currency of the value/purchasing power of their money since its inception.
Umm didn’t congress approve of the establishment of the federal reserve via vote? That means they fulfilled their responsibility at least in the loosest sense.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Irrelevant » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:05 am

Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:49 pm
Who is good enough for you? Your choices have no chance. Well, less than 1% chance.

Donald J. Trump Republican 515,231 45.1%
Hillary Clinton Democrat 310,676 27.2 —
Evan McMullin Independent. 243,690 21.3 —
Gary Johnson Libertarian. 39,608 3.5 —
Jill Stein Independent. 9,438 0.8 —
Darrell Castle Constitution. 8,032 0.7 —
Rocky Giordani Independent. 2,752 0.2 —
Rocky De La Fuente Independent 883 0.1 —
Monica Moorehead Independent. 544 0.0 —
Alyson Kennedy Independent. 521 0.0
Do we not believe that we must stand for what is right even if we must stand alone? Cliché, I know, but applicable.

Silver's analogy is spot on.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Silver » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:43 am

Durzan wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:23 am
lundbaek wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:44 am
I am very much "against the Federal Reserve". It was created to usurp the responsibility of the US Congress mandated by Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution to create money and has done so such that inflation has been robbing holders of US currency of the value/purchasing power of their money since its inception.
Umm didn’t congress approve of the establishment of the federal reserve via vote? That means they fulfilled their responsibility at least in the loosest sense.
Yes, but that bit of history also established the level of corruption that existed then and continues now among the members of Congress. They swear to defend the Constitution as part of their oath of office and then immediately betray their constituents and break that oath by ignoring the Federal Reserve.
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Silver » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:51 am

Irrelevant wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:05 am
Arenera wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:49 pm
Who is good enough for you? Your choices have no chance. Well, less than 1% chance.

Donald J. Trump Republican 515,231 45.1%
Hillary Clinton Democrat 310,676 27.2 —
Evan McMullin Independent. 243,690 21.3 —
Gary Johnson Libertarian. 39,608 3.5 —
Jill Stein Independent. 9,438 0.8 —
Darrell Castle Constitution. 8,032 0.7 —
Rocky Giordani Independent. 2,752 0.2 —
Rocky De La Fuente Independent 883 0.1 —
Monica Moorehead Independent. 544 0.0 —
Alyson Kennedy Independent. 521 0.0
Do we not believe that we must stand for what is right even if we must stand alone? Cliché, I know, but applicable.

Silver's analogy is spot on.
iWriteStuff started a thread called Ether's Avenue. It provides dozens of quotes by modern prophets directing us to vote for what is right. Latter Day Saints ignore that counsel at their eternal peril.

So to his supporters (not you, Irrelevant), I say, go ahead and vote for Romney if you like him. You shall have your reward. The evidence of why Romney should not be elected is laid at your feet. Are you going to vote for him or support him financially anyway?
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Arenera » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:29 am

Romney hasn't spoken publicly about the race, but is said to be readying a campaign. Two of his closest friends in Utah recently told the Deseret News that Romney, 70, was waiting on Hatch, 83, but did not rule out a run even if Hatch seeks an eighth term.

Earlier this year, Hatch suggested he would be ready to end his 42-year Senate career for Romney, the leader of the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City and one of the state's most popular politicians.

Hatch, who had told voters when he last ran in 2012 he would not seek re-election, has gone back and forth about his intentions. Two years ago, he said he was having second thoughts about fulfilling his promise not to run again.

"If we were in the middle of tax reform and I thought I could get it done and people thought I could get it done and people were demanding that I get it done, you'd always have to put the country first. We'll just have to see," Hatch said then.

After Trump won the election, Hatch, the chairman of the powerful Senate Finance Committee and third in the line of succession as Senate president pro-tempore, said he was getting pressure from colleagues to seek another term.

But in March, Hatch said he'd be willing to retire if he "could get a really outstanding person to run," naming Romney as someone who "would be perfect" for the position. He said if Romney were to run, "it would be a great thing for America."
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Silver » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:00 am

This thread, so far, is a good example of a unlikely chiasmus. It starts off with a recognition of how bad Hatch is and offering support for Romney. It ends with a sterling endorsement of Romney, by Hatch, a known betrayer of his oath of office. Gee, if a liar and traitor endorses a guy, let's all vote for him.

Such delicious irony on full display. The children of the covenant are so confused.
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Arenera » Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:14 am

Silver wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:00 am
This thread, so far, is a good example of a unlikely chiasmus. It starts off with a recognition of how bad Hatch is and offering support for Romney. It ends with a sterling endorsement of Romney, by Hatch, a known betrayer of his oath of office. Gee, if a liar and traitor endorses a guy, let's all vote for him.

Such delicious irony on full display. The children of the covenant are so confused.
As I showed with the data, you have less than 1% support for your position.

Romney: a proven priesthood holder, 1 wife, successful business man, successful politician, doesn't eat the skin on the chicken. Support Romeny!
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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby lundbaek » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:04 am

In writing Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, (under the guidance of whom?) the the Founders made it clear that it was the responsibility of Congress "to coin money" and "to declare war", among other things. Congress was not given the right to abrogate those responsibilities. Congress has, in fact, abrogated those responsibilities, claiming that in voting for the Fed they could allow it to "print" money, and that in "honouring" a UN mandate they could allow the US President to send US forces into battle. Both of those acts are wrong - unconstitutional.

A priesthood holder who would say that God has not spoken to man since Moses and the bush, who would say that he supports "a woman's right to choose", and who does not honour the principles of the US Constitution (especially after all that the Lord, prophets and apostles have said about it) will not get my vote regardless of how many other voters vote for him.

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Re: Romney should run for Senate.

Postby Arenera » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:21 am

lundbaek wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:04 am
In writing Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, (under the guidance of whom?) the the Founders made it clear that it was the responsibility of Congress "to coin money" and "to declare war", among other things. Congress was not given the right to abrogate those responsibilities. Congress has, in fact, abrogated those responsibilities, claiming that in voting for the Fed they could allow it to "print" money, and that in "honouring" a UN mandate they could allow the US President to send US forces into battle. Both of those acts are wrong - unconstitutional.

A priesthood holder who would say that God has not spoken to man since Moses and the bush, who would say that he supports "a woman's right to choose", and who does not honour the principles of the US Constitution (especially after all that the Lord, prophets and apostles have said about it) will not get my vote regardless of how many other voters vote for him.
So, you don't believe in agency? The one thing each of us has, the right to make a choice. A right given to us from God. It seems a woman's right to choose is part of agency.

You prefer to take Lucifer's approach and force a woman so she can't choose. Haven't you twisted things up?
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