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Mormon Feminists

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Mormon Feminists are Terrible Role Models
A new video exposing their real agenda and why we need to be vigilant in standing up against it.
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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Thinker » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:46 pm

Some notes after watching that clip: Post modernist feminists do not have anything like a standard, universal "iron rod." They are for flattening out value structures to make it all equal and fine. Ironically, they judge others for judging others - they have false humility in pretending to be morally superior by claiming that others are worse than them for believing they are morally superior for making different choices.

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I see Feminism as something that began good and was needed (for women's rights to vote, own property etc)... but then got out of hand. In the false paranoia, extreme feminists are so zoomed in at their victim mentality that they don't see the consequences outside their narrow view. So, in their pursuit for being equal or better than men, they ignore the pain they are causing children in their actions. IE: They see motherhood as worthless work - therefore they see their children as worthless - and their children sense that loud and clear by how little time they spend with them as they prioritize getting ahead in their careers. Even worse, some women express how worthless they see their children to be by having them killed in abortion. In their distorted focus of themselves as victims, they alienate good men and therefore end up with weak men or no men at all - and then again blame men. They blame others - which takes away their response-ability and empowerment.

I see Post Modernism as having merit philosophically (everything's relative) - yet invalid ethically and practically. Post Modernists deny the basic societal need for laws - and in their patriarchal hatred, would be quick to deny Moses's 10 commandments. And yet - it is Moses who is honored in the US Capitol building as one of the most influential law-makers. "Thou shalt not kill", "Thou shalt not steal," "Thou shalt not bare false witness" are essential standards to have a civil society and yet Post Modernists are anti-civility it seems because they do not support such basic societal rules. Some call Post Modernists, "Marxists" who are against logic and anti-free-speech. I think of the homosexual agenda which has outwardly suggested in books like "The Overhauling of Straight America" to lie and repeat the lie enough times so that when it is discovered to be a lie - so many will believe it, that it doesn't matter that it is a lie.

Marxism and Socialism are similar to Feminism in that they might have good intentions initially - but their understanding or focus is so extremely narrow that they miss the forest, despite the trees -so to speak. They want everyone to be equal - a "classless society" - and yet - what ends up happening is that in attempting to force a will on others that will comes from someone - or a group - which inherently divides the society into even more dangerous classes - the commoners ruled by the dictators. And often their distorted focus prevents them from seeing the negative consequences of their own delusional concepts of their "special" version of a forced utopia.

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Thinker wrote: Ironically, they judge others for judging others - they have false humility in pretending to be morally superior by claiming that others are worse than them for believing they are morally superior for making different choices.
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Re: Mormon Feminists

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A Conversation with Lucifer

Samuel H. Roundy, a member of the Church who lived in Salt Lake City in the early part of this century, (1900,s) relates an interesting dream wherein he had a conversation with Lucifer. In that experience Lucifer admitted his continuing desire to deceive the Saints by imitating the works of God through spiritualism and mediumism. While the dream’s nature is unknown and is not binding doctrine on the Church, it nevertheless illustrates how Satan’s purpose is to deceive the Saints and destroy the work of the Savior:

In the year 1925 about February 15th, I found myself one night sitting on one side of a table in my home and Lucifer sitting on the other side. How he came I saw not. I immediately asked this question:

Roundy: Lucifer why do you seek to destroy and tear down the good works of the Saviour?

Lucifer: That is my mission…. It was then just like two political parties now. The party that is defeated still thinks its’ platform the best. I not only think my plan is the best, but I claim Jesus stole my crown and I am doing all I can to overthrow his work. We have one very important advantage over the Saints.

Roundy: I asked in what way?

Lucifer: Just think a moment, said he.

Roundy: Suddenly it came to me. Oh yes, I understand, it is this; when our Spirits entered our mortal bodies we lost the knowledge we had in the pre-existent state and you and your followers, not having the privilege of entering mortal bodies, retained that knowledge, therefore, you knew from the beginning the life-mission of all the great men.

Lucifer: Yes, he said, and we in every instance try to destroy them so as to prevent God’s work through them.

Roundy: I have believed for many years it was you that sought to destroy Moses, Cyrus, Abraham, the Savior and Joseph Smith while they were young, but you failed, did you not?

Lucifer: Yes, I did, but we know and understand Jesus’s plan and doctrines just as well or better than do the Saints. We are just as perfectly organized as you, and are working more faithful than you are.

Roundy: Yes, so I understand, and I also understand that you send out missionaries, hold your conferences, receive reports, etc., that you also have a priesthood.

Lucifer: Yes, I have a priesthood. We send our agents out two and two as you do. We send our best informed to the authorities who preside over the people, also around the temples to discourage the temple work. We also hold your conferences, hear reports, attend to the business and pair them off and send them out again.

Roundy: I said, while you hold a priesthood you must obey the priesthood of God. Must you not? In answering this question he emphasized it very much and said:

Lucifer: ONLY WHEN IT IS EXERCISED IN FAITH, do I.

Roundy: Then as your agents travel among the people, you and your agents know everything that is going on, don’t you? especially among the Latter-day Saints-know all about their financial condition, social relations, etc.?

Lucifer: Yes, my agents have all things necessary and report to me.

Roundy: Then with this knowledge in your possession you are the author of spiritualism, mediumism, slate writings and all things connected therewith.

Lucifer: Yes sir, we have all knowledge necessary, and we can impersonate and imitate any person, so, when the spiritualists call for a certain person, my servants answer, having the information required.

Roundy: You said in the beginning of this conversation that it was your mission to destroy the works of Jesus Christ. Now with the perfect organization that you have, you are, as it has been said, everywhere present. Is this true?

Lucifer: Yes, it is our mission to overthrow all that leads to purity and Godliness, and we are everywhere present, especially in the sick room where the priesthood is, we are there to offset their power, and as thoughts are seeds sown, we do all we can to put evil thoughts into the minds of the people, especially the young: then teach them to cultivate those evil thoughts as they grow up to manhood and womanhood. When the Sons of God met I was present, and when God would have you do good, we cause you to think evil. This has been our mission from the beginning, to overcome evil with good. This is the conflict called the battle of the end, the time of times of the End.

Roundy: Do you believe that all the Latter-day Saints are seeking the glory of God?

Lucifer: No sir, I do not. All, who are seeking the praise of man, the pleasure of the world, and the almighty dollar, are coming my way and that is the majority of them….

Roundy: 6000 years was the time allotted you for the establishment of your kingdom, was it not?

Lucifer: Yes sir, that was, or is, the allotted time.

Roundy: Then you must know that your end is near.

Lucifer: Yes, I do, but I want to tell you before I am bound, every person that can be led astray will be, and as far as I can, I am going to accomplish my work through the women from now on, and everything in this world will be turned upside down before I am bound [See Revelation 20:1-3. The “chain” by which Satan is bound means the Priesthood coming down from Heaven].

Roundy: …I will say he did not seem to become vexed at any time during our conversation. Just how long it lasted I cannot tell. It seems about one-half the night. I did not see him come or leave.

S.H. Roundy, (signed)
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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby simpleton » Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm

Especially this part has come to pass...
Lucifer: Yes, I do, but I want to tell you before I am bound, every person that can be led astray will be, and as far as I can, I am going to accomplish my work through the women from now on, and everything in this world will be turned upside down before I am bound...

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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Thinker » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:28 pm

simpleton wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm
Especially this part has come to pass...
Lucifer: Yes, I do, but I want to tell you before I am bound, every person that can be led astray will be, and as far as I can, I am going to accomplish my work through the women from now on, and everything in this world will be turned upside down before I am bound...
I believe that women are inherently more spiritual than men - for good or bad - and I think it is the spiritual roles as well as physiological make up that causes womens hormones to fluctuate and be very challenging. Women tend to take things to heart more - again for good or bad. So, when a man might just brush it off, a woman hangs on to it - whether it is loving others, motherly protection, resentment toward others or not forgiving herself - and denying response-ability.

Although it was too gory for me, Lord of the Rings included some inspiring symbolism - [spoiler alert in case you haven't seen it]...Insightful symbols were the ring (symbolizing addictions or obsessive distractions) and other things like the unbeatable evil witch King who prophesied, "No man can ever kill me!" and so, the story went that a woman in disguise won the battle with him. When it comes to spiritual things, maybe it is women who's heel is bruised but more importantly, it is women who may overcome and bruise the head of the adversary.

God speaking to Satan: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." -Genesis 3:15

I realize it speaks of woman's seed - but who generally has most influence on children besides mothers?

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Re: Mormon Feminists

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Mahonri wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:17 pm
...Mormon Feminists...
Mormon - Feminists: It seems like there's one "M" too many in those words. (Hint: It's not the first "M" and it's not the last.)
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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Mark » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:44 pm

skmo wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:18 pm
Mahonri wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:17 pm
...Mormon Feminists...
Mormon - Feminists: It seems like there's one "M" too many in those words. (Hint: It's not the first "M" and it's not the last.)
(Hint #2: It rhymes with whore on.. as in "whore on you moron"

"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:"
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Re: Mormon Feminists

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Mark wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:44 pm
"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:"
I didn't know they filmed 'The View' on a floating stage!
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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Juliet » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:54 am

Thinker wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:28 pm
simpleton wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm
Especially this part has come to pass...
Lucifer: Yes, I do, but I want to tell you before I am bound, every person that can be led astray will be, and as far as I can, I am going to accomplish my work through the women from now on, and everything in this world will be turned upside down before I am bound...
I believe that women are inherently more spiritual than men - for good or bad - and I think it is the spiritual roles as well as physiological make up that causes womens hormones to fluctuate and be very challenging. Women tend to take things to heart more - again for good or bad. So, when a man might just brush it off, a woman hangs on to it - whether it is loving others, motherly protection, resentment toward others or not forgiving herself - and denying response-ability.

Although it was too gory for me, Lord of the Rings included some inspiring symbolism - [spoiler alert in case you haven't seen it]...Insightful symbols were the ring (symbolizing addictions or obsessive distractions) and other things like the unbeatable evil witch King who prophesied, "No man can ever kill me!" and so, the story went that a woman in disguise won the battle with him. When it comes to spiritual things, maybe it is women who's heel is bruised but more importantly, it is women who may overcome and bruise the head of the adversary.

God speaking to Satan: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." -Genesis 3:15

I realize it speaks of woman's seed - but who generally has most influence on children besides mothers?
What mothers? You mean you support those lazy good for nothing stay at home moms? You are so behind the times. Do you know how selfish it is for a woman to take care of her own kids? No woman should have that right.

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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Mark » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:55 pm

skmo wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:05 am
Mark wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:44 pm
"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:"
I didn't know they filmed 'The View' on a floating stage!
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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Thinker » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:05 pm

Juliet wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:54 am
Thinker wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:28 pm
simpleton wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm
Especially this part has come to pass...
Lucifer: Yes, I do, but I want to tell you before I am bound, every person that can be led astray will be, and as far as I can, I am going to accomplish my work through the women from now on, and everything in this world will be turned upside down before I am bound...
I believe that women are inherently more spiritual than men - for good or bad - and I think it is the spiritual roles as well as physiological make up that causes womens hormones to fluctuate and be very challenging. Women tend to take things to heart more - again for good or bad. So, when a man might just brush it off, a woman hangs on to it - whether it is loving others, motherly protection, resentment toward others or not forgiving herself - and denying response-ability.

Although it was too gory for me, Lord of the Rings included some inspiring symbolism - [spoiler alert in case you haven't seen it]...Insightful symbols were the ring (symbolizing addictions or obsessive distractions) and other things like the unbeatable evil witch King who prophesied, "No man can ever kill me!" and so, the story went that a woman in disguise won the battle with him. When it comes to spiritual things, maybe it is women who's heel is bruised but more importantly, it is women who may overcome and bruise the head of the adversary.

God speaking to Satan: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." -Genesis 3:15

I realize it speaks of woman's seed - but who generally has most influence on children besides mothers?
What mothers? You mean you support those lazy good for nothing stay at home moms? You are so behind the times. Do you know how selfish it is for a woman to take care of her own kids? No woman should have that right.
I don’t know you well enough to know which type of sarcasm you’re using: the kind that was offended by me and seeks to offend me... or if you’re pretending to have the opposite view you have.

In my opinion, nobody would ever truly strive for the best for my kids as well as I do - not paid day-care workers, not a nanny, not even a grandma. The one job I am irreplaceable is in being their mom. Others can and have taken my place in other jobs, but not as mother to my kids. It really is a very short time to give them - they grow up so quickly and before you know it, they’re on their own - and then there’s plenty of time for career.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger: In Praise of Stay-at-Home Moms
https://youtu.be/a4nNGGp1NII

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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby MMbelieve » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:16 pm

Mark wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:44 pm
skmo wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:18 pm
Mahonri wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:17 pm
...Mormon Feminists...
Mormon - Feminists: It seems like there's one "M" too many in those words. (Hint: It's not the first "M" and it's not the last.)
(Hint #2: It rhymes with whore on.. as in "whore on you moron"

"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:"
Wait a second, are we calling mormon feminists whores?

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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby MMbelieve » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:20 pm

I have always been curious about something, perhaps someone a bit more into these types of things can answer. If women wanting this or that is called a feminist because they are femanine...what do we call men who want this or that because they are men.

Is it misogynist?

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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Juliet » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:26 pm

Thinker wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:05 pm
Juliet wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:54 am
Thinker wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:28 pm
simpleton wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm
Especially this part has come to pass...
Lucifer: Yes, I do, but I want to tell you before I am bound, every person that can be led astray will be, and as far as I can, I am going to accomplish my work through the women from now on, and everything in this world will be turned upside down before I am bound...
I believe that women are inherently more spiritual than men - for good or bad - and I think it is the spiritual roles as well as physiological make up that causes womens hormones to fluctuate and be very challenging. Women tend to take things to heart more - again for good or bad. So, when a man might just brush it off, a woman hangs on to it - whether it is loving others, motherly protection, resentment toward others or not forgiving herself - and denying response-ability.

Although it was too gory for me, Lord of the Rings included some inspiring symbolism - [spoiler alert in case you haven't seen it]...Insightful symbols were the ring (symbolizing addictions or obsessive distractions) and other things like the unbeatable evil witch King who prophesied, "No man can ever kill me!" and so, the story went that a woman in disguise won the battle with him. When it comes to spiritual things, maybe it is women who's heel is bruised but more importantly, it is women who may overcome and bruise the head of the adversary.

God speaking to Satan: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." -Genesis 3:15

I realize it speaks of woman's seed - but who generally has most influence on children besides mothers?
What mothers? You mean you support those lazy good for nothing stay at home moms? You are so behind the times. Do you know how selfish it is for a woman to take care of her own kids? No woman should have that right.
I don’t know you well enough to know which type of sarcasm you’re using: the kind that was offended by me and seeks to offend me... or if you’re pretending to have the opposite view you have.

In my opinion, nobody would ever truly strive for the best for my kids as well as I do - not paid day-care workers, not a nanny, not even a grandma. The one job I am irreplaceable is in being their mom. Others can and have taken my place in other jobs, but not as mother to my kids. It really is a very short time to give them - they grow up so quickly and before you know it, they’re on their own - and then there’s plenty of time for career.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger: In Praise of Stay-at-Home Moms
https://youtu.be/a4nNGGp1NII
Well, I am a stay at home mom, actually expecting my fifth. And I finally am learning to not let my choice to be a stay at home mom discourage me because what I do is different than the culture. I have Dr. Laura's book and I read it regularly. So, I had to make that comment because it embodies the pain of what it feels like is coming at me from the world. I have done google searches to find, support for stay at home moms, and there isn't a lot. But there sure is a lot out there saying how lazy and stupid stay at home moms are. So, definitely; my comment was sarcastic.

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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Thinker » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:55 pm

MMbelieve wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:20 pm
I have always been curious about something, perhaps someone a bit more into these types of things can answer. If women wanting this or that is called a feminist because they are femanine...what do we call men who want this or that because they are men.

Is it misogynist?
Your question needs clarifying. “Wanting this or that” is not clear. Many feminists want babies killed - that is not very motherly and motherhood is a feminine expression.
Feminists in the US society are not simply “feminine” - often the opposite. They want to be seen as equal to men outwardly but in reality many seem to hate men and strive to prove that women are better than men. And ironically they seem to hate all things distinctly feminine.

Chauvinism also exists and is probably more common than misogyny. Though the man-hating feminists who try to paint all men with a broad brush as being rapists - may increasingly cause more men to hate women. Men who prefer men over women (often from domineering mothering) may be a bit misogynistic. I personally believe these distorted ideas are initiated and fueled by people who are determined to decrease the population. The many herd-thinking masses just follow suit.
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Re: Mormon Feminists

Postby Thinker » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:08 pm

Juliet wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:26 pm
Thinker wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:05 pm
Juliet wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:54 am
Thinker wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:28 pm

I believe that women are inherently more spiritual than men - for good or bad - and I think it is the spiritual roles as well as physiological make up that causes womens hormones to fluctuate and be very challenging. Women tend to take things to heart more - again for good or bad. So, when a man might just brush it off, a woman hangs on to it - whether it is loving others, motherly protection, resentment toward others or not forgiving herself - and denying response-ability.

Although it was too gory for me, Lord of the Rings included some inspiring symbolism - [spoiler alert in case you haven't seen it]...Insightful symbols were the ring (symbolizing addictions or obsessive distractions) and other things like the unbeatable evil witch King who prophesied, "No man can ever kill me!" and so, the story went that a woman in disguise won the battle with him. When it comes to spiritual things, maybe it is women who's heel is bruised but more importantly, it is women who may overcome and bruise the head of the adversary.

God speaking to Satan: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." -Genesis 3:15

I realize it speaks of woman's seed - but who generally has most influence on children besides mothers?
What mothers? You mean you support those lazy good for nothing stay at home moms? You are so behind the times. Do you know how selfish it is for a woman to take care of her own kids? No woman should have that right.
I don’t know you well enough to know which type of sarcasm you’re using: the kind that was offended by me and seeks to offend me... or if you’re pretending to have the opposite view you have.

In my opinion, nobody would ever truly strive for the best for my kids as well as I do - not paid day-care workers, not a nanny, not even a grandma. The one job I am irreplaceable is in being their mom. Others can and have taken my place in other jobs, but not as mother to my kids. It really is a very short time to give them - they grow up so quickly and before you know it, they’re on their own - and then there’s plenty of time for career.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger: In Praise of Stay-at-Home Moms
https://youtu.be/a4nNGGp1NII
Well, I am a stay at home mom, actually expecting my fifth. And I finally am learning to not let my choice to be a stay at home mom discourage me because what I do is different than the culture. I have Dr. Laura's book and I read it regularly. So, I had to make that comment because it embodies the pain of what it feels like is coming at me from the world. I have done google searches to find, support for stay at home moms, and there isn't a lot. But there sure is a lot out there saying how lazy and stupid stay at home moms are. So, definitely; my comment was sarcastic.
I can relate. There is a strong sense of societal peer pressure to do it all! To have a high position in a career, be a mom, have an emaculate big house, nice cars, new fashionable clothes etc... and this pressure I see in Mormon culture. I see women comparing each other way too much - I’ve fallen for that too.

But who cares what they think? If we could keep the eternal perspective in mind, there would be less distractions. I’m glad you are not letting materialistic or social false ideals distract you from your essential work as a mother. I wish Dr. Laura was still on radio - but she offended many and they finally got her kicked off. I imagine there are others who support mothers in mothering their kids. Of course God does!

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Postby Fiannan » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:27 pm

But who cares what they think? If we could keep the eternal perspective in mind, there would be less distractions.
When one visits the Bazaar in Istanbul you encounter salesmen enticing you to buy their products. Not only that but they pull no stops in getting your attention, and once they have it they will flatter you to no en to get you to buy. Novices who visit for the first time get taken in and discover soon enough that they paid far too much for what they believed were bargains.

In our society we have marketers who are way more subtle, who employ anthropology and psychology experts to get you to buy everything from soap to politicians to lifestyle choices. Often people do not understand they have been ripped off until it is too late (for women, reaching 40 with no kids) but unlike an experience in the markets there is no "another day" for them.
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Postby Thinker » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:22 pm

Fiannan wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:27 pm
Often people do not understand they have been ripped off until it is too late (for women, reaching 40 with no kids) but unlike an experience in the markets there is no "another day" for them.
Jordan Peterson expanded on that same idea:
Women at Thirty — Jordan Peterson's Advice for Young Women Choosing Careers Over Motherhood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LASAIgBt-4g


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