Not much more to be said other than watching people celebrate the end of the world - they just don't know it....
How Australia voted on same-sex marriage
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-ma ... 1714e202e7
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Australia was behind the game, compared to most other English-speaking nations.gardener4life wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 7:11 am This is sad to hear about. So is it also already passed in the UK area or not yet? My understanding is that this is about Australia only, not NZ, or GB?
Dave62 wrote: The worst possible result in the worst possible way...
27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.
Please pray for my poor (unlucky) country for the upcoming fire season.
What is some people's perspective of "dropping like flies" is other people's view of "rising like a phoenix from the ashes."Spaced_Out wrote: ↑November 14th, 2017, 11:36 pm 61% yes vote for same sex marriage across the county with over 90% of eligible voters taking part. The state that I am in had the lowest percentage no vote but still a majority yes... The BoM teaches when the majority of the people choose evil the foundation for destruction has been laid....
Not much more to be said other than watching people celebrate the end of the world - they just don't know it....
I am grateful for the spiritual home I have found in the Unitarian Church which, in the spirit of prayer and the word of God, recognizes and upholds the inherent sacredness, dignity, and divine worthiness of marriage between both opposite- and same-sex couples.Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Well, if the church does accept homosexuals in the future sometime this century, then I'm going to do whatever i want (that includes leaving the church).Fiannan wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 8:34 am I read a very influential humanist back in university who basically predicted (back in the 1980s) everything we are seeing today. His timetable is spot-on. He said that once you divorced sex from reproduction then the natural evolution will be to see sex in new terms. He predicted that sometime early in the 21st Century people will date, mate and form relationships based on feelings, not gender. Mormons are just a little behind the times but will catch up. Look at what people quote from the Holy Handbook in regards to birth control and family size.
Telling someone there's "no point" in participating in any religious Faith is contrary to LDS teachings, which have long held that good can be found in all churches. Even the LDS view of the afterlife suggests degrees of glory--it's not "all or nothing."
Homosexuality is a Sin. The church will never backtrack on this 'skewed perspective' ever because then the church would be teaching contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ which is about families. Families naturally cannot have children without a male husband and female wife.Daniel2 wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 7:51 am I understand that conservative members of the LDS Church will continue to cite Mosiah and invoke connotations of "the voice of the people choosing iniquity" when the majority support equal civil marriage rites for both opposite-sex and same-sex couples.
However, history may very well show that it's actually said conservatives that have the skewed perspective about marriage when they forbid gay couples from marrying.
We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.
https://www.lds.org/topics/family-procl ... g&old=true
Alma 41:10 Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/41.14
Mosiah 3:19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mos ... 9?lang=eng
I understand that is your belief, but it's obviously not one that I share.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 9:41 am There is nothing inherently sacred, dignified or divinely worthy about same-sex marriage. It is Satan's version of God's holy sacrament of marriage.
It is also proof that ancient prophets saw our day when they said that good will be called evil, and that evil will be called good.
That's what a lot of people said about interracial marriage (remember, Brigham Young said that the penalty for such is and would always be 'death on the spot')... Chalk it up to God sifting the wheat from the tares from time to time.
Modern church leaders don't teach that homosexuality is a sin; they currently teach that homosexual behavior is a sin.Sunain wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 10:29 am Homosexuality is a Sin. The church will never backtrack on this 'skewed perspective' ever because then the church would be teaching contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ which is about families. Families naturally cannot have children without a male husband and female wife.
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good or right!
We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.
https://www.lds.org/topics/family-procl ... g&old=trueAlma 41:10 Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/41.14Mosiah 3:19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mos ... 9?lang=eng
Same gender relationships cannot go forward and multiply and replenish the earth, or heaven.Daniel2 wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 10:45 amModern church leaders don't teach that homosexuality is a sin; they currently teach that homosexual behavior is a sin.Sunain wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 10:29 am Homosexuality is a Sin. The church will never backtrack on this 'skewed perspective' ever because then the church would be teaching contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ which is about families. Families naturally cannot have children without a male husband and female wife.
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good or right!
We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.
https://www.lds.org/topics/family-procl ... g&old=trueAlma 41:10 Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/41.14Mosiah 3:19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mos ... 9?lang=eng
Regardless of your religious dogma, families already can and do come in a variety of shapes and sizes. Some have a married mom and dad. Some don't. I understand your dogma suggests this is only in this mortal, fallen state, because you view other types of families as 'broken.' But I believe, again, that "happiness" isn't a one-size-fits all because not everyone in life is the same.
The Proclamation on the Family doesn't preclude same-sex relationships. Gays and lesbians, by our very nature, don't employ "the sacred powers of procreation"--because our actions never result in procreation. And we participate in non-procreative physical intimacy just as a husband and wife participate in non-procreative physical intimacy as a means of drawing closer together and as mutual expressions of their love and affection.
I agree that wickedness never was happiness, which is how I know that the love and affection my husband and I share isn't wickedness, because of the happiness and other fruits of the spirit (joy, hope, peace) our relationship brings to us.
Marriage, itself, and the commitment to one another and to our family requires all of us--whether between a same-sex or opposite-sex couple--to become submissive, meek, humble, patient, and full of love.
That's correct; as far as we know, they can't. But that's OK--they don't have to serve the same purpose as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone in life has the same calling; not all must or will be parents in God's kingdom. Just as there is a diversity of vocations here on earth, and just as we all aren't the same and have different talents and gifts, so, too, can there exist a diversity of destinies in the eternities.
Now you are wading into another topic of contention in the forums. Some people are informed of where biotechnology and even artificial intelligence are taking us, and what will be promoting these sciences, and some people think the future will be just as it is today. By the way, you are absolutely right about the news forms of reproduction that will soon be here -- and along with that one could also say that our entire concept of family structure and even sexual orientation will be completely different.Here in mortality, our medical science is on the verge of allowing same-sex couples to procreate without the participation of a second gender...
Sure it is. God impregnated Mary, who remained a virgin, through the power of the Holy Ghost, so clearly there's alternatives to the type of limited procreation that we mortals are limited to during our mortal state. And it's only unreasonable if you're heterosexual and refuse to be open to the possibility that the omnipotence of God's power could encompass procreative alternatives to those that our crude mortal bodies rely on (especially when we consider that resurrected bodies won't have blood, age, or grow---all of which are essential for the limits of procreation in mortality).
Daniel2 wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 1:29 pmSure it is. God impregnated Mary, who remained a virgin, through the power of the Holy Ghost, so clearly there's alternatives to the procreation mortals are limited to during their mortal state.
And together, two men (Elohim, the Father, and Jehovah, his son) created Adam, the first man, and both ministered to him in the garden.Elizabeth wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 1:37 pm Mary, a woman and Heavenly Father a male, and Heavenly Father appointed a mortal man Joseph to rear the child with Mary a woman.Daniel2 wrote: ↑November 15th, 2017, 1:29 pmSure it is. God impregnated Mary, who remained a virgin, through the power of the Holy Ghost, so clearly there's alternatives to the procreation mortals are limited to during their mortal state.
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