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Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:33 am

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But I believe the main reason was because it was God's will.
I have to agree with you on that.

But we still had to do the footwork. And that is what being armed means. Doing the footwork as written of in the Book of Mormon, defending even unto the shedding of blood, and in theory not our blood, unless we lose. Then we are blameless in that we did all we could do.

If we idly sit by and don't do our part then ...

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If God didn't want Mormons to have guns John Moses Browning would never have been sent to this earth.
John Moses Browning was the son of the 4th wife (at the same time) of his father, born in Ogden, Utah, I believe.
He was responsible either directly or indirectly for just about every gun that the Allies had during WWII which were used to win that war.

So I think if God didn't want us to have guns, he would never have given us John Moses Browning.
dc

Search for who was the greatest gun maker. Who's name comes up first?
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/5-most-in ... n-history/

Browning guns are still made and sold in Utah.

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Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:05 am We're never going to agree to on this.
A gun is a tool, but a tool designed exclusively for killing. Unlike a lorry for example.
I mean, the Olympic committee didn't think up a new sport one day, saying "let's have a target and get someone to invent something we can use to shoot at it that isn't an arrow". The gun was invented with the sole purpose of killing people. It wasn't invented to kill animals or knock cans off a wall etc. It was designed to kill human beings.

Most tools have a primary use. A hammer knocks in a nail, a chainsaw fells a tree. I can use those tools for another purpose if I choose. I could hit you over the head or decapitate you with them. These tools would be very effective in this scenario. But that would constitute a misuse of these otherwise useful tools.
When a gun is used to kill someone, it is not a misuse of the gun in and of itself. It is exactly what the gun was designed to do.
I disagree. We will agree on this someday although that will be when you change your mind, not mine.

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Silver wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:26 pm
Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:05 am We're never going to agree to on this.
A gun is a tool, but a tool designed exclusively for killing. Unlike a lorry for example.
I mean, the Olympic committee didn't think up a new sport one day, saying "let's have a target and get someone to invent something we can use to shoot at it that isn't an arrow". The gun was invented with the sole purpose of killing people. It wasn't invented to kill animals or knock cans off a wall etc. It was designed to kill human beings.

Most tools have a primary use. A hammer knocks in a nail, a chainsaw fells a tree. I can use those tools for another purpose if I choose. I could hit you over the head or decapitate you with them. These tools would be very effective in this scenario. But that would constitute a misuse of these otherwise useful tools.
When a gun is used to kill someone, it is not a misuse of the gun in and of itself. It is exactly what the gun was designed to do.
I disagree. We will agree on this someday although that will be when you change your mind, not mine.
When you realize you passed over, and you see your guns, gold and silver and that it did no good for you, you will say, “Robin Hood, you were right!”

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Arenera wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:41 pm
Silver wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:26 pm
Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:05 am We're never going to agree to on this.
A gun is a tool, but a tool designed exclusively for killing. Unlike a lorry for example.
I mean, the Olympic committee didn't think up a new sport one day, saying "let's have a target and get someone to invent something we can use to shoot at it that isn't an arrow". The gun was invented with the sole purpose of killing people. It wasn't invented to kill animals or knock cans off a wall etc. It was designed to kill human beings.

Most tools have a primary use. A hammer knocks in a nail, a chainsaw fells a tree. I can use those tools for another purpose if I choose. I could hit you over the head or decapitate you with them. These tools would be very effective in this scenario. But that would constitute a misuse of these otherwise useful tools.
When a gun is used to kill someone, it is not a misuse of the gun in and of itself. It is exactly what the gun was designed to do.
I disagree. We will agree on this someday although that will be when you change your mind, not mine.
When you realize you passed over, and you see your guns, gold and silver and that it did no good for you, you will say, “Robin Hood, you were right!”
Hey, RH, of course we haven't surveyed every member of LDSFF on the issue at hand so you may have other supporters. However, if you're aligning yourself with this ^^^ line of thinking, you're in trouble. You've got a spot of Ag in your sock drawer as well, haven't you? Oh no, you're doomed along with Silver.

Thanks for the laughs, Arenera.

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Great comment on ZeroHedge:

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Answer: because the Socialists, Marxists, Fascists, Globalists, Eugenicists, Satanists, Pedophiles, Cult-creeps, psychopaths, sociopaths, etc. etc. ec. haven't killed enough of us people yet.

But those [freaks] won't stop trying, and that's why we are here to stop them!!!

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Arenera wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:41 pm
Silver wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:26 pm
Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:05 am We're never going to agree to on this.
A gun is a tool, but a tool designed exclusively for killing. Unlike a lorry for example.
I mean, the Olympic committee didn't think up a new sport one day, saying "let's have a target and get someone to invent something we can use to shoot at it that isn't an arrow". The gun was invented with the sole purpose of killing people. It wasn't invented to kill animals or knock cans off a wall etc. It was designed to kill human beings.

Most tools have a primary use. A hammer knocks in a nail, a chainsaw fells a tree. I can use those tools for another purpose if I choose. I could hit you over the head or decapitate you with them. These tools would be very effective in this scenario. But that would constitute a misuse of these otherwise useful tools.
When a gun is used to kill someone, it is not a misuse of the gun in and of itself. It is exactly what the gun was designed to do.
I disagree. We will agree on this someday although that will be when you change your mind, not mine.
When you realize you passed over, and you see your guns, gold and silver and that it did no good for you, you will say, “Robin Hood, you were right!”


It sounds like you have given up, Arenera. Remember, never give up. Fight to the death, if need be. What do they say, something about giving your all, even your life, if necessary? Something like that, isn't it?

As for Robin Hood, if he refuses to defend his life, and his family, his religion, according to the way we are told by our God, even unto the shedding of blood, then indeed, we will not see him as right, but as gone astray.

I pray that you and he will heed the written word as it is given to us.
In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
dc
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I think of Captain Moroni, or for that matter, as a descendant of the greatest of the Danites, Porter Rockwell, and I realize I’ll keep my guns thank you very much. I usually leave my sidearm in the car when I go into the chapel, but I have brought it in on occasion.

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David13 wrote: November 18th, 2017, 7:52 pm
Arenera wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:41 pm
Silver wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:26 pm
Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:05 am We're never going to agree to on this.
A gun is a tool, but a tool designed exclusively for killing. Unlike a lorry for example.
I mean, the Olympic committee didn't think up a new sport one day, saying "let's have a target and get someone to invent something we can use to shoot at it that isn't an arrow". The gun was invented with the sole purpose of killing people. It wasn't invented to kill animals or knock cans off a wall etc. It was designed to kill human beings.

Most tools have a primary use. A hammer knocks in a nail, a chainsaw fells a tree. I can use those tools for another purpose if I choose. I could hit you over the head or decapitate you with them. These tools would be very effective in this scenario. But that would constitute a misuse of these otherwise useful tools.
When a gun is used to kill someone, it is not a misuse of the gun in and of itself. It is exactly what the gun was designed to do.
I disagree. We will agree on this someday although that will be when you change your mind, not mine.
When you realize you passed over, and you see your guns, gold and silver and that it did no good for you, you will say, “Robin Hood, you were right!”


It sounds like you have given up, Arenera. Remember, never give up. Fight to the death, if need be. What do they say, something about giving your all, even your life, if necessary? Something like that, isn't it?

As for Robin Hood, if he refuses to defend his life, and his family, his religion, according to the way we are told by our God, even unto the shedding of blood, then indeed, we will not see him as right, but as gone astray.

I pray that you and he will heed the written word as it is given to us.
In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
dc
dc
Sometimes you see how extreme some views around here are.

You guys keep your little guns and see what good it does you.

There is not posterity around for the Jaredites and Nephites, they were exterminated. Maybe you didn’t understand or read that in the BOM.

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Arenera wrote: November 18th, 2017, 9:23 pm
David13 wrote: November 18th, 2017, 7:52 pm
Arenera wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:41 pm
Silver wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:26 pm

I disagree. We will agree on this someday although that will be when you change your mind, not mine.
When you realize you passed over, and you see your guns, gold and silver and that it did no good for you, you will say, “Robin Hood, you were right!”


It sounds like you have given up, Arenera. Remember, never give up. Fight to the death, if need be. What do they say, something about giving your all, even your life, if necessary? Something like that, isn't it?

As for Robin Hood, if he refuses to defend his life, and his family, his religion, according to the way we are told by our God, even unto the shedding of blood, then indeed, we will not see him as right, but as gone astray.

I pray that you and he will heed the written word as it is given to us.
In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
dc
dc
Sometimes you see how extreme some views around here are.

You guys keep your little guns and see what good it does you.

There is not posterity around for the Jaredites and Nephites, they were exterminated. Maybe you didn’t understand or read that in the BOM.
Oh no! Now you've gone and done it. You've invoked the ultimate of insults. The horror. You called our guns "little." Bwahaha. Not.

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Arenera wrote: November 18th, 2017, 9:23 pm
David13 wrote: November 18th, 2017, 7:52 pm
Arenera wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:41 pm
Silver wrote: November 18th, 2017, 5:26 pm

I disagree. We will agree on this someday although that will be when you change your mind, not mine.
When you realize you passed over, and you see your guns, gold and silver and that it did no good for you, you will say, “Robin Hood, you were right!”


It sounds like you have given up, Arenera. Remember, never give up. Fight to the death, if need be. What do they say, something about giving your all, even your life, if necessary? Something like that, isn't it?

As for Robin Hood, if he refuses to defend his life, and his family, his religion, according to the way we are told by our God, even unto the shedding of blood, then indeed, we will not see him as right, but as gone astray.

I pray that you and he will heed the written word as it is given to us.
In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
dc
dc
Sometimes you see how extreme some views around here are.

You guys keep your little guns and see what good it does you.

There is not posterity around for the Jaredites and Nephites, they were exterminated. Maybe you didn’t understand or read that in the BOM.

I read the word of God there, and the word was, you are to protect your life and your family even unto the shedding of blood.

And if you think hand wringing and murmuring against guns will do that for you, you are in for a big surprise.
dc

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My current Stake President was my bishop a few years ago. Our boundaries were changed and I ended up in a different ward. My new bishop told me about the first bishops meeting they all had after the restructure. Bishop R. told Bishop C. that he was now the safest bishop in the stake because I was in his ward now. Bishop R. was comforted knowing that there was an armed presence at church each Sunday. Imagine that. They even made him Stake President.

Well...me and my gun are off to Ward Council.

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I appreciate those that serve as police those that serve in the military.

Do I feel safe because a policeman is in my congregation? No.
Do I think someone who conceals and carries in a congregation(not policeman) is masculine? No, they are actually going against what are leaders have asked.

For preparing for the future, what has a current leader (President of the Quorum of the Twelve) suggested?
I urgently plead with each one of us to live up to our privileges as bearers of the priesthood. In a coming day, only those men who have taken their priesthood seriously, by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others. Only a man who has paid the price for priesthood power will be able to bring miracles to those he loves and keep his marriage and family safe, now and throughout eternity.

He named faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity, and diligence.10 And don’t forget humility!11 So I ask, how would our family members, friends, and coworkers say you and I are doing in developing these and other spiritual gifts?12 The more those attributes are developed, the greater will be our priesthood power.

We need to pray from our hearts.

Are you willing to search the scriptures and feast on the words of Christ?

Are you willing to worship in the temple regularly?—to study earnestly in order to have more power?

Are you willing to follow President Thomas S. Monson’s example of serving others?

My dear brethren, we have been given a sacred trust—the authority of God to bless others. May each one of us rise up as the man God foreordained us to be—ready to bear the priesthood of God bravely, eager to pay whatever price is required to increase his power in the priesthood. With that power, we can help prepare the world for the Second Coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Didn't see anything about owning little guns and doing target practice. Course, maybe things are different in Texas.

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Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 12:40 pm I appreciate those that serve as police those that serve in the military.

Do I feel safe because a policeman is in my congregation? No.
Do I think someone who conceals and carries in a congregation(not policeman) is masculine? No, they are actually going against what are leaders have asked.

For preparing for the future, what has a current leader (President of the Quorum of the Twelve) suggested?
I urgently plead with each one of us to live up to our privileges as bearers of the priesthood. In a coming day, only those men who have taken their priesthood seriously, by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others. Only a man who has paid the price for priesthood power will be able to bring miracles to those he loves and keep his marriage and family safe, now and throughout eternity.

He named faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity, and diligence.10 And don’t forget humility!11 So I ask, how would our family members, friends, and coworkers say you and I are doing in developing these and other spiritual gifts?12 The more those attributes are developed, the greater will be our priesthood power.

We need to pray from our hearts.

Are you willing to search the scriptures and feast on the words of Christ?

Are you willing to worship in the temple regularly?—to study earnestly in order to have more power?

Are you willing to follow President Thomas S. Monson’s example of serving others?

My dear brethren, we have been given a sacred trust—the authority of God to bless others. May each one of us rise up as the man God foreordained us to be—ready to bear the priesthood of God bravely, eager to pay whatever price is required to increase his power in the priesthood. With that power, we can help prepare the world for the Second Coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Didn't see anything about owning little guns and doing target practice. Course, maybe things are different in Texas.
My wife and mother and sister in law all conceal carry in church. All of them have purses with conceal carry compartment and they keep their conceal carry guns in them at all times. So where ever they go with their purses the gun goes as well.

I’m curious your thoughts on that.

Do you feel it’s inappropriate for them to have that extra protection on them at all times they travel away from home?

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Ezra wrote: November 19th, 2017, 1:44 pm
Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 12:40 pm I appreciate those that serve as police those that serve in the military.

Do I feel safe because a policeman is in my congregation? No.
Do I think someone who conceals and carries in a congregation(not policeman) is masculine? No, they are actually going against what are leaders have asked.

For preparing for the future, what has a current leader (President of the Quorum of the Twelve) suggested?
I urgently plead with each one of us to live up to our privileges as bearers of the priesthood. In a coming day, only those men who have taken their priesthood seriously, by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others. Only a man who has paid the price for priesthood power will be able to bring miracles to those he loves and keep his marriage and family safe, now and throughout eternity.

He named faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity, and diligence.10 And don’t forget humility!11 So I ask, how would our family members, friends, and coworkers say you and I are doing in developing these and other spiritual gifts?12 The more those attributes are developed, the greater will be our priesthood power.

We need to pray from our hearts.

Are you willing to search the scriptures and feast on the words of Christ?

Are you willing to worship in the temple regularly?—to study earnestly in order to have more power?

Are you willing to follow President Thomas S. Monson’s example of serving others?

My dear brethren, we have been given a sacred trust—the authority of God to bless others. May each one of us rise up as the man God foreordained us to be—ready to bear the priesthood of God bravely, eager to pay whatever price is required to increase his power in the priesthood. With that power, we can help prepare the world for the Second Coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Didn't see anything about owning little guns and doing target practice. Course, maybe things are different in Texas.
My wife and mother and sister in law all conceal carry in church. All of them have purses with conceal carry compartment and they keep their conceal carry guns in them at all times. So where ever they go with their purses the gun goes as well.

I’m curious your thoughts on that.

Do you feel it’s inappropriate for them to have that extra protection on them at all times they travel away from home?

I feel it's appropriate and necessary in the world today. And, it's in keeping with our readings in the Book of Mormon.
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Ezra wrote: November 19th, 2017, 1:44 pm
Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 12:40 pm I appreciate those that serve as police those that serve in the military.

Do I feel safe because a policeman is in my congregation? No.
Do I think someone who conceals and carries in a congregation(not policeman) is masculine? No, they are actually going against what are leaders have asked.

For preparing for the future, what has a current leader (President of the Quorum of the Twelve) suggested?
I urgently plead with each one of us to live up to our privileges as bearers of the priesthood. In a coming day, only those men who have taken their priesthood seriously, by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others. Only a man who has paid the price for priesthood power will be able to bring miracles to those he loves and keep his marriage and family safe, now and throughout eternity.

He named faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity, and diligence.10 And don’t forget humility!11 So I ask, how would our family members, friends, and coworkers say you and I are doing in developing these and other spiritual gifts?12 The more those attributes are developed, the greater will be our priesthood power.

We need to pray from our hearts.

Are you willing to search the scriptures and feast on the words of Christ?

Are you willing to worship in the temple regularly?—to study earnestly in order to have more power?

Are you willing to follow President Thomas S. Monson’s example of serving others?

My dear brethren, we have been given a sacred trust—the authority of God to bless others. May each one of us rise up as the man God foreordained us to be—ready to bear the priesthood of God bravely, eager to pay whatever price is required to increase his power in the priesthood. With that power, we can help prepare the world for the Second Coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Didn't see anything about owning little guns and doing target practice. Course, maybe things are different in Texas.
My wife and mother and sister in law all conceal carry in church. All of them have purses with conceal carry compartment and they keep their conceal carry guns in them at all times. So where ever they go with their purses the gun goes as well.

I’m curious your thoughts on that.

Do you feel it’s inappropriate for them to have that extra protection on them at all times they travel away from home?
If they are not law officials, they shouldn’t be packing at church.

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Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 3:46 pm
Ezra wrote: November 19th, 2017, 1:44 pm
Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 12:40 pm I appreciate those that serve as police those that serve in the military.

Do I feel safe because a policeman is in my congregation? No.
Do I think someone who conceals and carries in a congregation(not policeman) is masculine? No, they are actually going against what are leaders have asked.

For preparing for the future, what has a current leader (President of the Quorum of the Twelve) suggested?
I urgently plead with each one of us to live up to our privileges as bearers of the priesthood. In a coming day, only those men who have taken their priesthood seriously, by diligently seeking to be taught by the Lord Himself, will be able to bless, guide, protect, strengthen, and heal others. Only a man who has paid the price for priesthood power will be able to bring miracles to those he loves and keep his marriage and family safe, now and throughout eternity.

He named faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity, and diligence.10 And don’t forget humility!11 So I ask, how would our family members, friends, and coworkers say you and I are doing in developing these and other spiritual gifts?12 The more those attributes are developed, the greater will be our priesthood power.

We need to pray from our hearts.

Are you willing to search the scriptures and feast on the words of Christ?

Are you willing to worship in the temple regularly?—to study earnestly in order to have more power?

Are you willing to follow President Thomas S. Monson’s example of serving others?

My dear brethren, we have been given a sacred trust—the authority of God to bless others. May each one of us rise up as the man God foreordained us to be—ready to bear the priesthood of God bravely, eager to pay whatever price is required to increase his power in the priesthood. With that power, we can help prepare the world for the Second Coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Didn't see anything about owning little guns and doing target practice. Course, maybe things are different in Texas.
My wife and mother and sister in law all conceal carry in church. All of them have purses with conceal carry compartment and they keep their conceal carry guns in them at all times. So where ever they go with their purses the gun goes as well.

I’m curious your thoughts on that.

Do you feel it’s inappropriate for them to have that extra protection on them at all times they travel away from home?
If they are not law officials, they shouldn’t be packing at church.
So you would suggest my wife, mother and sister in law leave their guns unattended in a vehicle in the parking lot? which could be broken into and stolen. So that they can have the security of that gun for their drive to and from church.

Instead of keeping it on them secured safe Unknown to anyone?

To me that sounds delusional and careless.

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Ezra wrote: November 19th, 2017, 7:11 pm
Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 3:46 pm
Ezra wrote: November 19th, 2017, 1:44 pm
Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 12:40 pm I appreciate those that serve as police those that serve in the military.

Do I feel safe because a policeman is in my congregation? No.
Do I think someone who conceals and carries in a congregation(not policeman) is masculine? No, they are actually going against what are leaders have asked.

For preparing for the future, what has a current leader (President of the Quorum of the Twelve) suggested?


Didn't see anything about owning little guns and doing target practice. Course, maybe things are different in Texas.
My wife and mother and sister in law all conceal carry in church. All of them have purses with conceal carry compartment and they keep their conceal carry guns in them at all times. So where ever they go with their purses the gun goes as well.

I’m curious your thoughts on that.

Do you feel it’s inappropriate for them to have that extra protection on them at all times they travel away from home?
If they are not law officials, they shouldn’t be packing at church.
So you would suggest my wife, mother and sister in law leave their guns unattended in a vehicle in the parking lot? which could be broken into and stolen. So that they can have the security of that gun for their drive to and from church.

Instead of keeping it on them secured safe Unknown to anyone?

To me that sounds delusional and careless.
You are setting up delusional scenarios. When you go to church, leave the guns in a secure place. Where do they live? Columbia?

Have them talk to their bishop and explain their dilemma

“Hi sister. What’s with your big brief case? Oh, just my dirty nuke bomb, I prefer it is the church building, much safer than the car.”

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Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:33 am
David13 wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:20 am
Robin Hood wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:16 am
David13 wrote: November 18th, 2017, 11:06 am


The saints didn't run away. They were grossly outnumbered. They indeed did fight back and died doing so. Just like the Norman invasion of England.

Your nation is civilized today except for the violent Islamic invasion that will exterminate you soon. You may have hidden your head in the ground on the issue, but if you watch news reports, they are raping and pillaging, and marching in your streets, beating your subjects as they go.

And for the vast and bloody history your nation has, it would be 'civilized". Why was Hadrian's wall built? Because the Roman's felt they could not subdue the Scots, the heathens to the north. That was after the English surrendered, so you weren't really civilized, you were Romanized.

And later Normanized. Who was Clement Atlee? Except for Churchill the English have a great history of appeasement and capitulation.

The Saints fought the best they could.

Are you familiar with Porter Rockwell and the plans made to defend the church against the war the United States declared on the Saints and the church? They were prepared for a great battle, which, due to the United States realizing their unconstitutional error, was avoided.

Have you ever heard of the Mormon Battalion? If you visit San Diego there is a history museum there with a nice exhibit to their contribution to the war between the states.

Did civilized England ever have a civil war? What happened to the King then?

Ah, Robin Hood, you twist everything, including scripture, to suit your concept of unilateral disarmament. Again, it's common where you live, and why Americans had to fight WWII for you. Otherwise you'd be posting in German now.
dc

The persecutors of the saints in this country were not guardians of the Constitution. They were criminals. Indeed we don't hate Liliburn Boggs.

We forgive him as we have been forgiven.


Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. A soldier may kill, or be killed. It's simple really.

We don't live by the sword, but we follow scripture.

The Saints moved where persecution was too great to make a stand. But they went west, found and established their own land, and made a stand, with guns to defend it, as commanded by the word of God. And the process isn't over yet.

I guess you just don't know much about your own history, or American or church history.

Turning the other cheek means not becoming contentious and argumentative. And having patience for those who do not or cannot or refuse to understand the history.

Doing good means trying to educate a fellow on scripture and history.

You haven't answered my question:

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN:

Alma 43
46 ... ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.

Yes, it does mean that when they come into the church and shoot one, or two people, you are to shoot them to stop them.

It was done in Texas recently, only the one who shot him had to come from across the street to do it, as the parishioners in the church failed in their duty to defend their families unto the shedding of blood. That was due to the deadly and inaccurate and misguided interpretation of scripture by their pastor which resulted in far more deaths.

dc
The English weren't even in the British Isles at the time of the Romans. You need to get your history straight.
The Norman invasion was a takeover of the aristocracy, not an invasion/war in the traditional sense. The Normans were Vikings who had settled in Normandy. So the Vikings (Danes) who were already settled here were hardly going to object!

Well, now not just grasping at straws, but nit picking. What do you want to call the people of the area now known as England at the time of the Roman conquest of that land? Pre English?

Stop grasping at straws and nit picking, and explain why you aren't posting in German now. Because you are wrong about self defense.
That's why.
dc
They weren't English, they were Britons; a Celtic people. There was no England, ie. land of the Angles. It was known as Britannia at the time of the Romans, and as Albion before that.
The English arrived after the Romans left.

The reason I'm not posting in German right now is because Hitler was unable to invade our island because we fought the Germans off, otherwise known as the Battle of Britain. The other main reason was the stunning victory of the Soviets on the eastern front.

Another reason we went on to win the war, as apposed to just not being invaded/conquered, was because of American involvement.

But I believe the main reason was because it was God's will.
:lol:
I have to laugh a little at this. My father was in the US navy a year or more before the U.S. entered World War 2. After corriggedor in the Philippine islands finally ran out of ammo, guns and food, and surrendered, my father was taken prisoner and remained a prisoner of war for the entire length of the war. At one point, he became very sick and was put in an Japanese army hospital. When he got better enough to be discharged back to the prison camp, he found himself surrounded not by the Americans he was captured with, but by a whole camp of English prisoners. He relates the tale of them saying "Oh, Britannia, Britannia rules the waves. - we have the greatest navy in the world. When are you Yanks going to come rescue us?" :P

He retained his 1901 30-06 rifle until he passed away in 2004. I suppose he has better weapons now to continue the fight of the war in Heaven. But the point to take away is he had lost his freedom and daily for 3 1/2 years in very real danger of losing his life with no way to protect it. He KNEW the value of gun ownership and the importance of availability for protecting life, liberty, family and church.

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Re: Conceal carry in church

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Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 7:54 pm
Ezra wrote: November 19th, 2017, 7:11 pm
Arenera wrote: November 19th, 2017, 3:46 pm
Ezra wrote: November 19th, 2017, 1:44 pm

My wife and mother and sister in law all conceal carry in church. All of them have purses with conceal carry compartment and they keep their conceal carry guns in them at all times. So where ever they go with their purses the gun goes as well.

I’m curious your thoughts on that.

Do you feel it’s inappropriate for them to have that extra protection on them at all times they travel away from home?
If they are not law officials, they shouldn’t be packing at church.
So you would suggest my wife, mother and sister in law leave their guns unattended in a vehicle in the parking lot? which could be broken into and stolen. So that they can have the security of that gun for their drive to and from church.

Instead of keeping it on them secured safe Unknown to anyone?

To me that sounds delusional and careless.
You are setting up delusional scenarios. When you go to church, leave the guns in a secure place. Where do they live? Columbia?

Have them talk to their bishop and explain their dilemma

“Hi sister. What’s with your big brief case? Oh, just my dirty nuke bomb, I prefer it is the church building, much safer than the car.”
Where is the safe secure place when you have a gun for protection while traveling to and from church?

That would be on your person not in a unattended car.

No one carries something around with them that constantly harms themselves and others. Radiation from a dirty nuke!!! That was the most retarded comment I have heard from you. Your arguments are mostly sound and I agree with you for the most part. I think people should rely on god so much more then they currently do. They should be taking steps to develop their faith and spiritual connection to god so they can walk on water and call Mammon from the heavens and have gods protection at all times. Tell we have built that level of faith in our own life’s we need to be realistic about where we are at.

Our prophet has armed guards. So should we. Follow the prophet.

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