MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: Official story of Las Vegas shooting unravels; physical impossibility of lone gunman...

[shadow]

Have you ever shot one? Better yet, shot one from long distances? It is incredibly hard to keep it on target on full auto and nigh unto impossible to do that with a bump fire stock. To the degree that the whole gun is jumping in your hands (for a strong person), even having a scope becomes totally worthless. It's just in the way and doing you no good. Not to mention bump fire stocks are very physically demanding. This guy was no athlete.

Maybe show a video-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7DTjSla-O8

So it's not too physically demanding if a 100 lb girl can handle it without issues.

This old guy can handle it OK-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWrthH2OK4

and this guy-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29evY77S13M

And throw in the fact that the Vegas guy wasn't aiming at anything specific, he had a whole parking lot to aim at.

[David13]

The only thing that doesn't add up is that his family is saying the alleged shooter was not a gun person. How does a non gun enthusiast get automatic weapons? How did he become familiar with the weapons and when and where did he learn to shoot?

It seems fishy.

This sounds a lot like the movie plot for the movie "Collateral". Tom Cruise plays a hit man who forces a cab driver to take him around to all his targets then plans to frame the cab driver for the murders and a make it appear the cab driver killed himself. The cops tie these murders to a previous set of killings where a cab driver appeared to just "snap", kill a bunch a people, then kill himself.

A non gun possessing accountant packs up a bunch of weapons including automatic weapons, "snaps", kills a bunch of people, then appears to have killed himself. hmmm...

He was not a non gun possessor. He did own guns. His brother stated he had some guns, mostly handguns, maybe a rifle. That he kept them in a safe. That the brother knew this as he helped him move (I believe into the house in Mesquite).

Further, one buys guns. Apparently this guy had unlilmited funds. He just sent $100,000 to the girl in the Philippines. He could have bought all those guns with perhaps less than $100,000. Have you ever heard the term "you can buy anything with money in this world"? Well, that will be true even AFTER any gun ban. For full auto he needs a federal NFA license. He may or may not have obtained one. With a clean record he could.

How does he learn to use them? First, it's not rocket science. Any military member can or might learn. Second, it's on the internet. Also library books. Learning is not some great thing that only some special type can access. It's basically there for anyone who will avail themselves of it.

You been watching too many movies. Take a few years away from that nonsense, and study your scriptures.
dc

[Silver]

Or get the plans online how to do it. This is, admittedly, more difficult than just simple firing and maintenance, but I learned how to make a Marlin Model 60 fire full auto from a kid in High School machine shop. I was in Auto Mech, and since I was helping him put a new exhaust on his Monza, he showed me around the machine shop. By the way, instructions online take about 15 minutes to find and download.

No, I won't share where.

He used Bump-fire stocks, not actual full auto. That's even harder to imagine using on a bipod or back of a chair. The whole platform is unstable by nature.

See gun on bottom left of picture.bump fire.jpg

But once again. You don't have to be Annie Oakley to kill people in a large crowd with a rapid fire weapon.

I'd like to clarify I'm not siding with the conspiracy theories on this... just saying there's a lot that doesn't make sense. For a shooter, the devil is in the details. With what we know so far, it kind of stretches credibility.

None of this says anything about motive. Outside of rich white guy in the middle of the Nevada desert decides to join ISIS on a whim, what else is there to go on?

Scott Adams talks about the Vegas shooter and does an FBI profile on him. (Yes, Scott Adams of Dilbert fame)

Prediction 3: Stephen Paddock was not an ISIS sympathizer.

Prediction 2: Stephen Paddock was not a gun enthusiast who killed other gun enthusiasts to make a political point about guns.

Prediction 1: Professional gambling was not Stephen Paddock's real source of income.

[David13]

He used Bump-fire stocks, not actual full auto. That's even harder to imagine using on a bipod or back of a chair. The whole platform is unstable by nature.

See gun on bottom left of picture.bump fire.jpg

But once again. You don't have to be Annie Oakley to kill people in a large crowd with a rapid fire weapon.

I'd like to clarify I'm not siding with the conspiracy theories on this... just saying there's a lot that doesn't make sense. For a shooter, the devil is in the details. With what we know so far, it kind of stretches credibility.

None of this says anything about motive. Outside of rich white guy in the middle of the Nevada desert decides to join ISIS on a whim, what else is there to go on?

Scott Adams talks about the Vegas shooter and does an FBI profile on him. (Yes, Scott Adams of Dilbert fame)

Prediction 3: Stephen Paddock was not an ISIS sympathizer.

Prediction 2: Stephen Paddock was not a gun enthusiast who killed other gun enthusiasts to make a political point about guns.

Prediction 1: Professional gambling was not Stephen Paddock's real source of income.

I tried to watch the Scott Adams video. A lot slower than molasses in January. 24 minutes to say what Ben Shapiro could say in 2 minutes? Well thanks for the 3 2 1 summary here.

3. Isis. Sympathizer. Who knows? What was he doing with this girl from the Philippines? That's an islamic terrorist hotbed. What's the connection?

2. He owned guns. Democrats like country western music. So really not much to conclude.

1. I think he has been described as a real estate owner/etc. As in rentals etc. So income.

All in all I can conclude nothing from any of this. Is there any point? Or only that there is not point yet.
dc

[Elizabeth]

"Islamic State has taken credit for the murders of at least 59 people in Las Vegas on Oct. 1 by gunman Stephen Paddock at the Jason Aldean concert. Initially, the FBI has said so far it has not found any evidence to validate the claim.
So, either Islamic State really connected with Paddock and inspired his cold-blooded massacre, or the group really wants us to think they did. Both possibilities are terrifying in their own right. Why?
Either, Islamic State is now successfully recruiting Americans with no background to speak of pertaining to Islam the religion or national origins from the Middle East, North Africa or Pacific Asia. Or, that is what the group is trying to achieve and are now attempting to inspire other Americans to join the ranks of radical Islam — or to commit attacks allied in the same cause.
Either way, Islamic State has been clear that it wants attacks by those who do not necessarily fit the profile to obfuscate where the threat is coming from.
Overall, one cannot help but see parallels in Las Vegas to the Manchester Arena bombing by Islamic State in May at the Ariana Grande concert that killed 22. Attacking large public events like concerts is absolutely the modus operandi of the terrorist group.
When the enemy speaks, perhaps we should listen.
For example, it appears the shooter may have been utilizing lyrics from the Robbie Williams song, “Me and My Monkey,” portraying an old Western-style shootout, which includes lyrics “with a dream and a gun” and “We made tracks to the Mandalay Bay Hotel… We got the elevator, I hit the 33rd floor.” Paddock had staged his attack from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel.
The song’s lyrics reference Billy the Kid, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and Kurt Cobain, all who met their ends by gunfire, just as Paddock did in the end. The protagonist in the song is meeting his end by going out in a blaze. The refrain reads, “Me and monkey, With a dream and a gun, Hoping my monkey, Don’t point that gun at anyone, Me and monkey, Like Butch and the Sundance Kid, Trying to understand, Why he did what he did, Why he did what he did.”
Was Paddock inspired by the song?
Maybe not. Prominently, Robbie Williams performed Manchester Etihad Stadium concert on June 2 just days after the Manchester Arena bombing. At the concert, he shouted, “We are Manchester and we are not scared!”
Days later, Williams also performed at the Manchester Benefit concert on June 4.
Of course, these could all just be coincidences. Was utilizing the lyrics of the song some sort of a message from Islamic State to Williams? Considering the savagery and cruelty of this attack, as facts emerge, law enforcement should pursue all possible leads.
Attacking concerts is something Islamic State has very prominently done in the past. They want you to be afraid to walk into an arena or stadium.
The fact that it was an American who the terror group says converted to Islam should not be lightly discounted. This would not be the first time. The case of Johnny Walker Lindh comes to mind, who was captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan in Nov. 2001 as a Taliban combatant.
If Islamic State is taking credit for this terrorist attack, then whatever potential links there are should be fully investigated by the Justice Department and local law enforcement. Paddock may have had accomplices, after all, who are still at large.
Again, if the enemy speaks, we should listen.
In the meantime, for Americans trying to understand what happened in Las Vegas, they should wait for facts from law enforcement and not overreact to what has happened. It may be that the terrorist massacre was senseless in every sense of the word. Or Islamic State may have been behind it after all.
ISIS does not usually make false claims. In fact, the giving of an Arabic name is incredibly rare. The ISIS mouthpiece, Amaq News Agency, is generally very cautious in claiming responsibility for attacks. Its enthusiasm for the damage caused by natural disasters, or other terrorists, is not to be confused with a genuine claim on its own behalf. The fact thats Stephen Paddock was nicknamed Abu Abd al-Bar al-Amriki means we should await further developments. The news agency treads on thin ice when it makes false claims as it loses whatever integrity for the truth it might possess. If this is found to not be the case, they will lose access to headlines across the globe.
See Islamic State video bragging that the Las Vegas massacre was revenge for US attacks against their caliphate at this link:


http://www.selfreliancecentral.com/2017 ... VIVALFROG3

[Elizabeth]

Tom Heneghan says: "Paddock became the patsy for the shooting. This shooting was a blood sacrifice done by a very skilled team of killers. It was a warning to Trump from the Bush Clinton deep state that we can do this anytime we want so back off locking us up! It was also a grab for the guns as they always do.

Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Paddock was working as an FBI informant for years according to Heneghan’s sources! She was sponsored to get into the country by a CIA agent! I have that proof of this below that came from 4chan researchers.

Tom says British G4S is very capable of putting together a murder squad to do this shooting.

Stephen Paddock and his girlfriend Marylou Danley were bag man and bag woman for FBI Division #5 and casinos involved in money laundering, narcotics trafficking and foreign currency manipulation."

[Army Of Truth]

I see that you governmnent theory pushers like to think that our government and mainstream media love us and want to do everything in their power to protect us and our rights. And that they would never knowingly do anything to deceive us. But many of us know our government better than that.

My main questions are about the videos where you can clearly hear multiple guns shooting at the same time. You can hear the different pitches of the guns and the fact that one starts before another and ends while another one is still going. Also, where are all the shells in the shooters room? There should be thousands! Not just a couple dozen. If the official theory states that 500+ people were injured, that's a lot of bullets.

And while many of these questions can be answered with "It's entirely possible!" can it really be answered (about this 64 year old man) that it's entirely "probable"? I highly doubt it. It seems highly improbable to me. But then again, I'm just looking at facts as we all find out more and more.

[markharr]

I see that you governmnent theory pushers like to think that our government and mainstream media love us and want to do everything in their power to protect us and our rights. And that they would never knowingly do anything to deceive us. But many of us know our government better than that.

My main questions are about the videos where you can clearly hear multiple guns shooting at the same time. You can hear the different pitches of the guns and the fact that one starts before another and ends while another one is still going. Also, where are all the shells in the shooters room? There should be thousands! Not just a couple dozen. If the official theory states that 500+ people were injured, that's a lot of bullets.

And while many of these questions can be answered with "It's entirely possible!" can it really be answered (about this 64 year old man) that it's entirely "probable"? I highly doubt it. It seems highly improbable to me. But then again, I'm just looking at facts as we all find out more and more.

What has been said here is that the official government story is plausible, and not impossible as the subject of this thread implies.

No one has said that the official government story is what really happened.

[David13]

I see that you governmnent theory pushers like to think that our government and mainstream media love us and want to do everything in their power to protect us and our rights. And that they would never knowingly do anything to deceive us. But many of us know our government better than that.

My main questions are about the videos where you can clearly hear multiple guns shooting at the same time. You can hear the different pitches of the guns and the fact that one starts before another and ends while another one is still going. Also, where are all the shells in the shooters room? There should be thousands! Not just a couple dozen. If the official theory states that 500+ people were injured, that's a lot of bullets.

And while many of these questions can be answered with "It's entirely possible!" can it really be answered (about this 64 year old man) that it's entirely "probable"? I highly doubt it. It seems highly improbable to me. But then again, I'm just looking at facts as we all find out more and more.

Well, I don't think you are looking at facts at all. In fact, by your first paragraph, it clearly shows you are deluded. First by us. We, or hardly any of us are "government theory pushers." To the contrary we all have our doubts.

Just not about the feeble arguments you have made. Some of us have experience with guns, maybe even automatic weapons, and yet we are not superman, just ordinary old men, somewhat like this 64 year old.

I can't tell you where shells were in the shooters room. I haven't been in there. Neither have you. So maybe you ought just to pull in your horns a bit and look for viable theories, rather than non viable theories. And not sling mud among those who are most probable to agree with you on viable theories.
dc

[JK4Woods]

I suggest everyone who doesn't know what they are talking about from extensive personal experience to refrain from positing rumor, conjecture, and outright speculation.

The original OP is so far off base, and many of the subsequent comments way out in left field.

Bump stocks are easy to control. .223 rounds are very soft on the shoulder.
Even non-Rambo types could handle rapid fire.
The shell casing are ejected in a forward and to the right manner. Many exited thru the window and fell to the roof below.

I have two work associates who were there. One is a gun guy. He caught on pretty fast. One shooter from up high. He recognized the echos from surrounding features.

For all of you who think there should have been flashes seen, you wouldn't have seen any if the barrel wasn't stuck way out of the window. Two steps back and the muzzle flash is easily overcome by the ambient light.

I know Joe Lombardo... He is straight up and the Las Vegas Metro police Department is the finest and most straight forward in the nation.

Just wait for the rest of the facts to come out.... they will over the next couple of days.

Both my co-workers escaped unharmed. A friend of my wife in the next ward over (same stake) lost her sister. She went down and identified her the same night. She leaves behind three kids in high school...

Another lady we know had both of her twin teenaged daughters shot. One in the butt, and the other in the shoulder penetrating her lung. Both of them will be ok.
The victims are real. The shooter is real.

The background will come out...

[AI2.0]

Stephen Craig Paddock used identification belonging to Marilou Danley when checking in to the Las Vegas hotel, even though she had been in the Philippines from 25 September. Paddock wired $100,000 to her account in the Philippines some time in the week before the attack, as confirmed by the Philippines’ National Bureau of Investigation (NBI). The Philippine office of Interpol arranged for her flight to Los Angeles where she was met by Federal agents who led her out through a side exit after going through customs.

Stephen Craig Paddock worked over a 10-year period as a letter carrier for the U.S. Postal Service, an IRS agent and a defense auditor. Paddock’s employment included two years as a mail carrier from 1976 to 1978, followed by a six-year stint with the Internal Revenue Service until 1984. When he then worked as a defence auditor for about 18 months.
The U.S. government should have an extensive file on its former employee, Stephen Paddock, who not only worked directly for the government for nearly a decade but then worked another year-and-a-half for federal weapons contractor Lockheed Martin.
With his institutional knowledge of how the federal bureaucracy works, Paddock was anything but the typical mass shooter. He would have been able to cover his tracks in the planning stages of his attack.

Paddock had set up cameras both inside and outside his hotel room, with at least one placed on a service cart out in the hallway.

Public records appear to show Marilou Danley was married to Geary Danley in 1990 and Jose Bustos in 1996, lived in multiple different addresses in Arkansas, California, Florida and Tennessee, used two Social Security numbers, and had two dates of birth.
Geary Danley, 76, lives in Arkansas, she did not divorce him until 2015. In California, her name is registered as Marilou Natividad-Bustos and her age is listed as 55 - but in Nevada, her name is down as Marilou Lou Danley and her age listed as 62.

That information about the wife is wrong--Newsweek retracted it. They mixed up another woman's information and attributed it to her--Marilou Danley was never married to Jose Bustos, she's only used one social security number and she divorced in 2015 from him, her stepchildren had only good to say about her. She is 62.

This is one problem with a lot of the information shared, a lot of it is incorrect.

[AI2.0]

I suggest everyone who doesn't know what they are talking about from extensive personal experience to refrain from positing rumor, conjecture, and outright speculation.

The original OP is so far off base, and many of the subsequent comments way out in left field.

Bump stocks are easy to control. .223 rounds are very soft on the shoulder.
Even non-Rambo types could handle rapid fire.
The shell casing are ejected in a forward and to the right manner. Many exited thru the window and fell to the roof below.

I have two work associates who were there. One is a gun guy. He caught on pretty fast. One shooter from up high. He recognized the echos from surrounding features.

For all of you who think there should have been flashes seen, you wouldn't have seen any if the barrel wasn't stuck way out of the window. Two steps back and the muzzle flash is easily overcome by the ambient light.

I know Joe Lombardo... He is straight up and the Las Vegas Metro police Department is the finest and most straight forward in the nation.

Just wait for the rest of the facts to come out.... they will over the next couple of days.

Both my co-workers escaped unharmed. A friend of my wife in the next ward over (same stake) lost her sister. She went down and identified her the same night. She leaves behind three kids in high school...

Another lady we know had both of her twin teenaged daughters shot. One in the butt, and the other in the shoulder penetrating her lung. Both of them will be ok.
The victims are real. The shooter is real.

The background will come out...

Thanks for sharing what you know, not that it will do much good, some people just seem to WANT to believe in these outrageous conspiracy theories and for some reason, they want to absolve the killer of his handiwork.

I'm sure the staff at the many hospitals where the 500 wounded and dead, were taken can attest that these are real victims. There were 22,000 at the concert, in an enclosed area--it was like shooting fish in a barrel. He wouldn't even have to be a good shot to create this mayhem.

The police are keeping the evidence close for now, I'm sure more will come out.

[AI2.0]

Tom Heneghan says: "Paddock became the patsy for the shooting. This shooting was a blood sacrifice done by a very skilled team of killers. It was a warning to Trump from the Bush Clinton deep state that we can do this anytime we want so back off locking us up! It was also a grab for the guns as they always do.

Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Paddock was working as an FBI informant for years according to Heneghan’s sources! She was sponsored to get into the country by a CIA agent! I have that proof of this below that came from 4chan researchers.

Tom says British G4S is very capable of putting together a murder squad to do this shooting.

Stephen Paddock and his girlfriend Marylou Danley were bag man and bag woman for FBI Division #5 and casinos involved in money laundering, narcotics trafficking and foreign currency manipulation."

Who is Tom Heneghan and why is he pushing these ridiculous conspiracy theories? And why the push to try to implicate the girlfriend with so little evidence?

If this idiot knows so much, how come he didn't do anything to stop it????? It sounds more like the plot of a made for TV movie.

[Rensai]

Much of the OP seems wrong, but still, there definitely are some oddities. For one thing, multiple videos appear to show the shooting coming from the 4th floor, not the 32nd.

[Alaris]

There are a lot of things about this shooting that don't past the smell test.

A 64 year old mass shooter. That sentence already is odd and doesn't fit any profile.

A drunk

Someone who sues a hotel for tripping turned mass murderer? If that's a motive its a poor one.

His girlfriend is out of country and flies back into town days later?

23 firearms smells like an agenda not mass shooting efficiency. Drum magazines are legal and it's about as fast to change a drum than to toss rifles and pick up more in 64 year old skin who lugs up 23 rifles!

These guns just happen to be the guns Hillary Clinton thinks are scary. Id much rather be shot at by these at that range than a semi auto sniper round by someone who knows how to aim.

Hillary makes a comment about silencers right after the shooting. Ok that may just be more evidence of how dumb this woman is. If you are going to attack guns at least learn enough about them so you don't sound like an idiot. Better that people think you are an idiot than to tweet and remove all doubt.

ISIS claims responsibility with a name

This 64 year old drunk poker player becomes a gun savant AND a tech who can set up multiple camera angles? I'm sorry earlier posters, but regardless as to whether he could physically pull this off alone this list starts to add up.

Then there's the video of fourth floor shooting, and the pic of six broken windows. The windows might be able to be explained by stray bullets while shooting with a bump stock. I shoot my AK 47 sometimes for fun and let the recoil fire the next shots from my hip. It could certainly become unruly. However it seems there would be tons of pics and questions about the multiple broken windows.

The mass media seems to pick narratives early on and stick to them in these situations before all the facts come in. That's the fishiest part of all this. With so many rational questions out there that cast tons of reasonable doubt on the narrative, you'd think people would be respected for wanting to know what actually happened rather than shamed into accepting this official account that's full of holes.

Don't get me started on 9/11.

[Elizabeth]

https://constitution.com/vegas-shooter- ... velations/

"Now, to add fuel to the fire, InfoWars is releasing a supposed room service bill, attributed to Paddock, that shows that he was ordering for two in the days leading up to his massacre.

“An image posted on Facebook by a man who claims he served Stephen Paddock room service shows that the gunman was with a guest during his time at the Mandalay Bay hotel four days before the massacre took place.

“The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an ‘IRD_MB,’ which means ‘In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.’

“The table number is ‘32135’ – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

“Paddock ordered a burger, a bagel with cream cheese, a potato soup, one bottle of water and two Pepsis, suggesting that there was another person eating with him in the room. The receipt shows the number ‘2’ next to the word ‘Guests’.”
Furthermore, the receipt’s date, along with eyewitness testimony of this particular insider, indicates that Paddock had been a guest at the hotel for at least three days before authorities are claiming that he checked in."

[markharr]

New information released in tonight's press conference. He was a gun guy and had in fact been acquiring guns for decades.

Sheriff Lombardo: Investigators have spent the last 72 hours combing through the life of 64 year-old Stephen Paddock. To produce a profile of someone I would call disturbed and dangerous. Stephen Paddock was a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life much of which will never be fully understood. He meticulously planned on the worst domestic attack in United States history.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10 ... ife-video/

[Elizabeth]

"After carrying out a search warrant on a second vehicle belonging to Paddock at the Mandalay Bay, police said they found a further 1,600 rounds of ammunition and 22kg of the explosive Tannerite."

[Army Of Truth]

Anyone with ears to hear can hear MULTIPLE guns shooting!

[Alaris]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-0 ... ant-talk-a

Many of the same questions I posed are in the article linked above with some additional good questions.

[Ezra]

Anyone with ears to hear can hear MULTIPLE guns shooting!

Sounds like echos to me. The shot count is the same so unless the 2 shooters were really good at copying the other.

I live in a canyon and when you shot it does the same thing.

I imagine the sound is bouncing off one of those large and spacious building in vegas

[David13]

Anyone with ears to hear can hear MULTIPLE guns shooting!

Sounds like echos to me. The shot count is the same so unless the 2 shooters were really good at copying the other.

I live in a canyon and when you shot it does the same thing.

I imagine the sound is bouncing off one of those large and spacious building in vegas

Exactly what I heard. Echo which matches the shot pattern of the first sound.

Now, that doesn't mean what the government says is true. Nor that there was only one shooter. It only means this video and audio doesn't prove or even show two shooters.

One of the problems in an environment like that is, it's difficult to tell where the shots are coming from. People with no experience with gun fire particularly will think they come from where they don't come from, especially with the echo. Which you are going to have with cement streets and walks and glass faced buildings.

So that wasn't conclusive on anything.
dc


Also, where is gate 7? Is it in line with the broken windows, from the listeners point?

[kittycat51]

There was a female caller into the Michael Savage show yesterday that was present at the concert, where she was forced to hide while others were gunned down all around her. According to this caller, a second gunman firing a distinctive “low-sounding” gun was walking through the crowd, spraying gunfire in every direction while approaching her concealed position. In her own words:

There was somebody walking in the crowd, spraying their guns back and forth and shooting people, and he was getting closer. The shots would stop, the officer got up and walked out, and I heard his radio because I was right there, and we heard, “We have active shooters,” and then my officer who was protecting me said, “Where is he? Where is he? Do you see him? Is he behind us? Do you have a visual?

It sounded like somebody was actually walking from the crowd, from west to east, through the crowd and shooting, because everybody was going one direction, because there was no way out. Then they would stop, and there would be higher pitches, and then no sound, and then the sound would start again, and they were on top of each other… they sounded at the same time, and the one that was lower kept getting closer sounding to us… I’m thinking, Oh my God, it sounds like there’s somebody on the ground that is shooting… Mandalay Bay was on our right, and the girl that was standing right beside me got shot straight in her stomach, and how did this bullet come straight down and make a left turn and hit her in the stomach?

Even Sheriff Lombardo is now saying Paddock did not act alone.

[AI2.0]

So much misinformation and speculation on this thread. I suppose it is just a symptom of our world today (and LDSFF posters are certainly affected by this) that no one seems to wait for accurate information and instead race ahead with all kinds of baseless claims and theories.

[David13]

The video where the girl says there was a couple warning people, you will all be killed. That may have been the case, but why has there been no corroboration from anyone that that occurred? If it's true, then other people would have the verification of it, or would have seen and heard it also.
Where are they?
dc