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MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: Official story of Las Vegas shooting unravels; physical impossibility of lone gunman senior citizen makes narrative ludicrous
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It’s all hogwash. The “official” narrative of how things went down in the Las Vegas massacre is so full of holes that it begs the question of just how deep the truth about this attack really goes.

What we know for sure is that, yes, 59 people were killed (so far) and hundreds were wounded. This wasn’t a “hoax” shooting — people actually were shot, wounded and killed (and our prayers go out to all their families for this horrific tragedy). Yet the official narrative that claims Stephen Paddock — a retired, 64-year-old accountant with absolutely no firearms training, no gun experience and no physical stamina — was somehow able to expertly wield a highly complex (and physically demanding) weapon system for 10 sustained minutes is total nonsense.

Even highly trained Navy Seals would have a difficult time running a full auto weapon for 10 minutes straight. Such weapon systems are brutal on the operator. They require tremendous strength, stamina and expert troubleshooting to keep running. Full-auto weapons overheat and jam. They demand incredible strength to keep aimed on target. They require expert reloading and weapons clearing in the case of jams, and the hotel room would have been so full of smoke and powder residue that it would be almost impossible to keep breathing from that enclosed space.

Far from what the firearms-illiterate media claims, these are not systems that any Joe off the street can just pick up and use to effortlessly mow down 500 people. Running these systems requires extensive training, experience and stamina. It is physically impossible for a guy like Stephen Paddock to operate such a system in the sustained, effective manner that we witnessed, especially when shooting from an elevated position which throws off all the ranging of the weapon system.

Far from being a Navy Seal, Stephen Paddock is a retired accountant senior citizen with a gambling problem and a flabby physique. The only way he could have carried out this shooting is if he were transformed into a human superweapon through a magic wand. I’m calling this “Mission IMPOSSIBLE” because of the physical impossibility of a retired, untrained senior citizen pulling this off.

Here are 10+ reasons why the official narrative is complete B.S.

#1: As many as 10 rifles were found in his hotel room… but only one shooter?

The NY Daily News is now reporting that Stephen Paddock “brought at least 10 weapons into a Las Vegas hotel room.”

Why would a single shooter need 10 rifles? Managing just one full auto weapon system is so difficult that it’s probably beyond the physical capabilities of a 64-year-old retired accountant, which is what Paddock was.

The fact that 10 rifles were found in his hotel room says three very important things:

The rifles were staged for more than one shooter.
The operation was extremely well funded.
The attack took a tremendous amount of time to set up, because you don’t just walk 10 rifles up to your hotel room in a single trip.

#2: As with many orchestrated shootings, the scapegoat was murdered before he could talk

According to numerous media reports, Paddock was found dead in his hotel room, shot to death. The official narrative claims that he shot himself before the police breached the room, but that is an assumption, not an established fact. There is no evidence whatsoever that Paddock shot himself. It is simply assumed that he did so. I would ask to see the ballistics evidence of the shot that killed him.

Isn’t it all convenient? There’s no one left to question, and they don’t even have to drug the guy into oblivion like they did the Aurora, Colorado shooter named James Holmes. Eliminating the scapegoat is the oldest trick in the book, as we were all reminded with the shooting of JFK.

#3: Why are there no muzzle flashes visible from the 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay windows in any of the videos that captured the shooting?

If you look at the shooting videos that have been posted online, none of them show any muzzle flashes from the room on the 32nd floor that we’ve been told is the source of the shooting. How can that be? The following video captures the sound of the automatic weapons fire — and even appears to capture at least TWO weapons firing simultaneously — yet shows no muzzle flashes from the 32nd floor windows of the Mandalay Bay hotel.
In fact, the video below shows what might be muzzle flashes from a completely different location closer to the 4th floor.
#4 Why does the gunfire in multiple online videos clearly sound like automatic weapons fire from MULTIPLE weapons?

I challenge anyone to listen to the gunfire in these online videos and conclude it’s only from a single weapon. The very idea is totally absurd. You can clearly hear at least two automatic weapons systems firing over each other.

Listen to the automatic weapons fire at about the 2:00 mark in the video below. It’s clearly coming from multiple weapons:
#5: ISIS has openly claimed responsibility for the attack, stating that Paddock “converted to Islam” months earlier

As reported on Shootings.news, ISIS has already claimed responsibility for the Las Vegas shooting:

Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed at least 50 people and wounded over 400 in Las Vegas early on Monday, and said the attacker had converted to Islam a few months ago.

ISIS has a long track record of only claiming responsibility for events they inspired or planned. It would not be in the interests of ISIS to falsely claim credit for an attack they did not help carry out, as that would discredit their own supporters and funding sources.

#6: Stephen Paddock had no familiarity with automatic weapons and no military training; was not a “gun guy”

From Yahoo News:

Saying his family was in shock, Paddock’s brother told US media he could not understand what motivated his elder brother.

“Where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background or anything like that,” Eric Paddock told CBS News.

“He’s a guy who lived in a house in Mesquite, drove down and gambled in Las Vegas. He did stuff. Eat burritos.”

And from NY Daily News:

Eric said his brother was typically no fan of such weaponry. “Not an avid gun guy at all,” Eric Paddock told CBS News outside his home in Waterford Lakes, Fla.

#7: How does a 64-year-old accountant with no military training possess the strength and stamina to fire a fully automatic weapon for nearly 10 minutes?

People who aren’t familiar with firearms have no idea how difficult it is to conduct sustained fire with an automatic weapon. It requires tremendous strength, endurance and training — something that Stephen Paddock had none of. Military special forces operatives train for years to be able to manage such weapons and handle all the problems they pose (barrel overheating, ammo jams, double feeds, recoil management, etc.). The idea that some senior citizen accountant can just pick up a machine gun and lay down thousands of rounds of effective fire in a sustained, 10-minute assault even though he had no experience with such weapons is completely ludicrous.

It actually looks like someone else staged all the guns in the room, perhaps with Paddock’s willingness, then shot and killed Paddock to make him the scapegoat.

Numerous media reports confirm that Paddock had no familiarity with guns and certainly didn’t have any experience with automatic weapons. Via the UK Daily Mail:

Despite being found amid an arsenal of weapons, Eric said that his brother had never been ‘an avid gun guy at all’, adding that he was at a loss as to where Stephen got his arsenal of automatic weapons from.

#8: Stephen Paddock was gambling away huge amounts of cash… where did he get all that money?

According to NBC News, Paddock was engaged in high-stakes gambling to the tune of as much as $30,000 per day:

On several occasions, Stephen Paddock gambled more than $10,000 per day — and in some cases more than than $20,000 and $30,000 a day — at Las Vegas casinos, according to an NBC News source who read the suspect’s Multiple Currency Transaction Reports (CTR) and a casino gaming executive.

Was he paid to be part of an operation that would then be blamed on him by making him the scapegoat? Some media reports state that Paddock was a wealthy real estate investor. If that’s true, why would he blow all that wealth on gambling?

#9: Stephen Paddock has no criminal history, no record and no apparent beef with anybody

Further supporting the notion that Stephen Paddock was a scapegoat for all this,

Via NY Daily News:

…Paddock had no federal, state or local history with law enforcement before his Sunday night rampage that left 58 dead and more than 500 injured. “We had no knowledge of this individual,” said Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo. “We checked all the databases…”

From the UK Daily Mail, we learn that Paddock had no affiliation with any particular activist group, political group or religious group as far as anyone knows:

“…He added that his brother had ‘no political affiliation, no religious affiliation, as far as we know.”

#10: The attack required meticulous planning, funding and training… it wasn’t some lone senior citizen who just “snapped”

What’s clear from this attack is that it was planned, funded and coordinated. This was not some spontaneous “lone wolf” scenario; it involved multiple weapons being fired simultaneously, long-term planning, staging and financial logistics.

The official narrative that claims this retired accountant just “snapped” and somehow picked up an automatic rifle and expertly laid down highly effective fields of automatic weapons fire for 10 minutes without pause is so insanely stupid as to be laughable.

Only a highly-trained weapons expert with tremendous physical strength, stamina and training could have pulled this off. And that’s clearly not Stephen Paddock.

#11: How was the FBI able to almost immediately declare Paddock had no ties to ISIS — barely 12 hours after the shooting — when the same agency has spent over a year investigating President Trump with zero evidence linking him to Russia, all while refusing to declare Trump has no ties to Russia?

Finally, don’t you find it amazing how the FBI was able to clear any ISIS connection in less than 12 hours after the shooting? This is the same FBI, remember, that has spent over a year desperately trying to find a Russia conspiracy link to President Trump, yet has been unable to do with any legitimate evidence whatsoever. Yet more than year into their investigation, they refuse to clear President Trump of Russia collusion.

Isn’t that interesting? Somehow, the FBI is so amazingly effective and efficient that they can conclude a massive investigation of Stephen Paddock in a mere 12 hours, yet they never quite seem to complete their investigation of President Trump.

Keep asking questions, everyone. And stay informed on all this at Shootings.news.

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Well, if you think he couldn't fire a full auto for 10 minutes go over to Las Vegas Gun Range on Blue Diamond road. You can shoot full auto there, for a price. And you can see if it can be done.
I have stood there and watched tourist after tourist shoot full auto. Little Japanese, small Brits, and tourists from all over the world. I think 10 minutes should cost you about $1,000, but then you will know if it can be done or not.
I can tell you it can.
Now, that does not mean that this was the shooter (Paddock). Nor does it mean that there was only one shooter.
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Ah, I read the OP and thought how lame it was then I realized I forgot to wear my tinfoil hat. K, got it now. Hey, any mention of those UFO's that were flying overhead??

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shadow wrote: October 3rd, 2017, 9:29 pm Ah, I read the OP and thought how lame it was then I realized I forgot to wear my tinfoil hat. K, got it now. Hey, any mention of those UFO's that were flying overhead??
Why are you afraid of people thinking outside the box?


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Elizabeth wrote: October 4th, 2017, 5:36 am Stephen Craig Paddock used identification belonging to Marilou Danley when checking in to the Las Vegas hotel, even though she had been in the Philippines from 25 September. Paddock wired $100,000 to her account in the Philippines some time in the week before the attack, as confirmed by the Philippines’ National Bureau of Investigation (NBI). The Philippine office of Interpol arranged for her flight to Los Angeles where she was met by Federal agents who led her out through a side exit after going through customs.

Stephen Craig Paddock worked over a 10-year period as a letter carrier for the U.S. Postal Service, an IRS agent and a defense auditor. Paddock’s employment included two years as a mail carrier from 1976 to 1978, followed by a six-year stint with the Internal Revenue Service until 1984. When he then worked as a defence auditor for about 18 months.
The U.S. government should have an extensive file on its former employee, Stephen Paddock, who not only worked directly for the government for nearly a decade but then worked another year-and-a-half for federal weapons contractor Lockheed Martin.
With his institutional knowledge of how the federal bureaucracy works, Paddock was anything but the typical mass shooter. He would have been able to cover his tracks in the planning stages of his attack.

Paddock had set up cameras both inside and outside his hotel room, with at least one placed on a service cart out in the hallway.

Public records appear to show Marilou Danley was married to Geary Danley in 1990 and Jose Bustos in 1996, lived in multiple different addresses in Arkansas, California, Florida and Tennessee, used two Social Security numbers, and had two dates of birth.
Geary Danley, 76, lives in Arkansas, she did not divorce him until 2015. In California, her name is registered as Marilou Natividad-Bustos and her age is listed as 55 - but in Nevada, her name is down as Marilou Lou Danley and her age listed as 62.

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It isn't physically impossible for a 64 year old man to maintain sustained fire for 10 minutes. I served in the military, it was only the army reserve but I did complete basic training and fired m-16s all the time. They are nowhere near as complex and difficult to shoot as that article states and it wasn't sustained fire if you listen to the video. They are actually designed to be simple and easy to shoot, and the recoil spring in the stock means very little recoil. Why would the US military give the enemy a tactical advsntage by hsving the complex difficult to shoot weapon that that article describes? He also had tripods, and the entire event from first 911 call to the police bursting the door down took 72 min. He had multiple guns so if one jammed he simply picked up another.

Whether true or not, the official story is entirely plausible.

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I forgot to address the muzzle flash and overlapping gunfire.

Having watched Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone movies in high school, I was shocked the first time I fired an m-16 at basic training because I was expecting three feet of fire to come out of the end of the barrel like you see in those movies. Reality was laughable in comparison. There is barely any flash at all and that is intentional. Because it would easily give away your position especially at night. That is why that thing at the end of the barrel is called a flash suppressor.

As for the overlapping gunfire, I think you are merely hearing the echo from previous shots bouncing back over the top of new shots. Almost all Las Vegas hotels built since the late 80s including Mandalay Bay have that triangle design. The angled design of the hotel would ensure an echo, and the way that buildings on the Las Vegas strip are layed out in general would ensure some interesting acoustics.

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The other reason to use 10 guns is so you don't have to reload. Simply drop or lay one gun down and pick up another. All very simple explanations. Nothing in the op to suggest any flaw in the official explanation.
I'm not saying the official explanation is true. Merely that this criticism of it is not at all valid.
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David13 wrote: October 4th, 2017, 8:48 am The other reason to use 10 guns is so you don't have to reload. Simply drop or lay one gun down and pick up another. All very simple explanations. Nothing in the op to suggest any flaw in the official explanation.
I'm not saying the official explanation is true. Merely that this criticism of it is not at all valid.
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Great point! I also forgot to mention that when these weapons jam it is not like the movies where they toss it aside because it's now useless. You can clear a jam relatively quickly with these guns. Simply tap the forward assist with your palm or if it's a really bad jam, pull the charging handle back and release it again and then tap the forward assist if needed. You would probably only discard it if it was jamming frequently.

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The Philippines is a hot bed for radical Islamist activity. I will bet you that with the wife there is a connection here. Run em over with trucks and shoot em from high rises. I'm surprised more of this isn't happening with all the millions of Islamic extremists around the world. They are in an all out Jihad. We just don't take that serious enough.

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The only thing that doesn't add up is that his family is saying the alleged shooter was not a gun person. How does a non gun enthusiast get automatic weapons? How did he become familiar with the weapons and when and where did he learn to shoot?

It seems fishy.

This sounds a lot like the movie plot for the movie "Collateral". Tom Cruise plays a hit man who forces a cab driver to take him around to all his targets then plans to frame the cab driver for the murders and a make it appear the cab driver killed himself. The cops tie these murders to a previous set of killings where a cab driver appeared to just "snap", kill a bunch a people, then kill himself.

A non gun possessing accountant packs up a bunch of weapons including automatic weapons, "snaps", kills a bunch of people, then appears to have killed himself. hmmm...

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harakim wrote: October 4th, 2017, 2:27 am
shadow wrote: October 3rd, 2017, 9:29 pm Ah, I read the OP and thought how lame it was then I realized I forgot to wear my tinfoil hat. K, got it now. Hey, any mention of those UFO's that were flying overhead??
Why are you afraid of people thinking outside the box?

This is a pattern with some people, they live detached from reality. Giving them an excuse by saying they are thinking outside of the box is not helpful.


There's nothing wrong with looking carefully at things, but there's a limit and that means it needs to fit and it needs to follow logical reasoning. And there is something wrong with people (and we have several on this forum) who are always looking to excuse and deflect responsibility for the evil choices of individuals, by trying to blame it on some nameless, faceless conspiracy. That's what's wrong.

And they are clearly being manipulated by those who want to blame the wrong people. Why? That's the REAL conspiracy which ought to be exposed. When you answer that, then all the pieces come into place.

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Now I'm not saying I believe one way or another. There are so many that talk about "false flag" events and that NOBODY was ever killed, but things were staged. THAT IS CRAZY. However, I do believe a lot that the "official" explanations are not the full truth, and we are being played as citizens. I believe there is more to this story than we are being led to believe.

Let's add 5 more to the 10....

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-03- ... brass.html

Five MORE things that don’t add up about the Las Vegas massacre… Where is all the expended brass?
Tuesday, October 03, 2017 by: Mike Adams

(Natural News) Um, excuse me for a moment here, but I have a really stupid question. I know you told me there’s no such thing as a stupid question, but this one seems really stupid anyway.

The media has released photos of guns and ammo magazines laying around on the floor of the supposed “sniper’s nest” hotel room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas, but there’s something totally wrong with these pictures:

#1) Where is all the expended brass?

Now, maybe I’m just a moron who thinks automatic rifles discharge expended brass or something, because the last time I shot my rifle — which was yesterday — hot brass kept blasting out the right side port with every round. Very annoying. I wish I knew how to turn that off.

So, given that Stephen Paddock was firing full-auto rifles in a sustained 10-minute assault, at roughly the rate of six rounds per second, we should probably see massive piles of expended brass all over the place.

Let’s see: 6 rounds per second, times 60 seconds in a minute, times 10 minutes of sustained fire… that comes to 3600 rounds of ammunition. If you figure there were pauses in the automatic fire, you could discount that to maybe 3000 rounds actually fired.

Again, maybe I’m just stupid or something, but if Paddock fired 3000 rounds, there should be 3000 brass casings all over the floor of the hotel suite. (I know, I’m invoking logic and reason, both of which are banned in modern society and the mainstream media, but bear with me for a moment for the sake of appeasing a really stupid person…)

But what we see in the photos released by the media show only a tiny smattering of brass casings, almost as if they were thrown around to complete the staging of the scene:

Thank goodness the UK Daily Mail cleared all this up by stating there were, “Dozens of spent shells litter the floor… and a hammer.” Yep, DOZENS. In a mass shooting that supposedly involved the firing of thousands of rounds from this very location, the media proudly reports there are “dozens” of pieces of brass on the carpet.

Did the FBI sweep up all the brass before they took these photos? Maybe they needed the brass for their own reloads so they can stage the next shooting…

I also wonder why the media isn’t calling for a nationwide ban on hammers, since they can clearly be used in mass shootings. #BanHammers

And ban hotels, too, since they provide elevated platforms for mass shooters. That’s right, ban all hammers, but especially full-auto hammers, as they can smash hotel windows at an astonishing rate.

#2) Where are all the carpet burns from hot brass and hot gun barrels?

I must be really stupid, because the other day when I was training with my AR-15, I was doing an exercise called “keyhole shooting” which requires you to shoot at targets through nine different holes cut into a large piece of plywood that’s positioned vertically in front of you. Some of these holes are cut near the bottom of the plywood, meaning you have to lay down on the ground to shoot through those holes. Silly me, I forgot to wear a long sleeve shirt, and when I laid down on the ground to shoot from the bottom holes, I found my arms laying across hot brass that was expended from my earlier shots through higher holes.

Not surprisingly, I received serious burns on my skin for the simple reason that — DUH! — expended brass is really, really hot.

And I don’t know if you knew this or not, but the hotter your rifle gets, the hotter your expended brass gets, too. It’s apparently due to physics or some such thing. If you’re firing a full-auto rifle, some internal parts can reach temperatures of 400 C, which is hot enough to either cook a frozen burrito or set Maxine Waters’ hair on fire at the merest touch.

Now, at 400 C, most of your rifle grease smokes off, making it hard to breathe. After just a few hundred rounds, the air in that hotel room would have been unbearably polluted. It might have even caused global warming, which is exactly why we have to ban automatic weapons (plus full-auto hammers, see above).

Given that Stephen Paddock was smoking through thousands of rounds of ammunition, he was generating not only very hot rifles but also extremely hot brass that would have left burn marks in any synthetic carpet.

Where are all the burn marks in the carpet?

Wouldn’t you know it, but the carpet in this room just happened to look like a pattern of burn marks, thereby obscuring the absence of additional burn marks from brass or rifle barrels:

(Bet you didn’t even notice the carpet pattern until I pointed this out, right? You were looking at the guns and the dead body, because that’s what the media told you to look at.)

#3) When seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away… but why?

I’m not trying to diss the cops here. As you know, I’m an advocate of honest, local police, and it’s clear that the beat cops did a fantastic job helping people seek cover on the ground below. But I do have an issue with the 72-minute response time during a full-auto machine gun spree in a city where there are dozens of cops within a one-mile radius.

Seventy-two minutes? Really? Was there a committee involved somehow? Why is it that the FBI’s former traitor-in-chief James Comey can decide in an instant that Hillary Clinton is innocent of everything, but all the cops in Las Vegas can’t breach a simple hotel door in anything less than 72 minutes?

No, wait. It must be Stephen Paddock’s white privilege. When you’re white, you get an extra 70 minutes to carry out mass shootings. But if you’re black, the cops shoot you in the first two minutes, you see. At least that’s what we’re told by the lunatic, deranged left-wing media which has declared war on cops (and war on the truth, come to think of it).

Just remember all this when you’re out in public next time: Even in a city that’s full of well-meaning cops who are doing their jobs, when seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away due to the bureaucracy that runs everything. You might want to carry your own semi-auto pistol. And if you can find out where Stephen Paddock got his magical guns, you might even be able to find a pistol that doesn’t eject brass. (They’re also called “revolvers,” just sayin’…)

#4) Um, excuse me but I have another really stupid question…

So you know that rifle with the bipod they found innocently standing in front of the mini-bar? Yeah, I’m talking about this one, labeled #19:

Is it just me, or does this look exactly the same as the rifle shown in the photo with the dead guy, above? Same flared mag well, same bump fire stock, same bipod and even the same optics, it seems. If only we could see the serial numbers, we might know for sure, but of course they never release photos with that degree of resolution.

Can’t have the public looking too closely, you see, or we might keep asking really stupid questions like, “Hey, why were there originally just 10 guns reported, and now there are 27 guns being reported, but it really just looks like the same 10 guns re-staged and re-photographed to look like 27 guns?”

I mean, heck, why not make it 99 guns at this point? Clearly whoever set all this up really, really wanted to make sure we didn’t miss the guns. “Make it 10 guns! … No, wait. Hold on. Make it 20 guns! … Oh wait, why stop now? Let’s make it 27 guns! And then call for gun control!” Honestly, it seems the only person around here who lacks gun control is the police photographer.

#5) I swear this is my last really stupid question, but please…

This whole scene is being called a “sniper’s nest” by the entire fake news media, but I’ve looked and looked and I still don’t see a sniper rifle anywhere. What I see are a bunch of AR-15s that fire .223 rounds (or 5.56 mm for you metric heads). Sniper rifles are bolt-action rifles, not auto-loading semi-auto rifles.

Now, I’ve only fired about 100,000 of these rounds myself, so I’m still a newbie, but the last time I checked, these rounds are usually about 55 grains in mass, and they lose about 75% of their kinetic energy by the time they reach a 400-yard target (the distance from the Mandalay Bay hotel to the concert lot is about 400 yards). You can see the dope yourself at Gundata.org.

On top of that, the bullet drop is 32 inches, which is of course almost three feet of bullet drop. Now, given the elevated angle of the shooter, that bullet drop wouldn’t be quite as dramatic, as the coefficient of a 20 degree declination angle is, of course, 0.94. But the energy of this round at 400 yards makes it only marginally effective. It’s just at the outside boundary of the effective range of a .223 cartridge, as any good Marine will tell you.

Conclusion? All these casualties couldn’t possibly be caused by .223 rounds. Most likely, they were actually heavier rounds fired from something like a belt-fed AK system (7.62 x 39mm rounds), or perhaps even a belt-fed .308 automatic weapon. So where is all the brass, anyway? Did Stephen Paddock possess magical brass that can disappear after being fired?

I find it curious that ballistics details of the bullets that hit the pavement have not been released. All the evidence we need is all over the concert lot, yet the public will never be given access to details about that evidence. They also destroyed all the evidence immediately after 9/11, by the way. They called it “cleanup and salvage.” Really, it was a rapid evidence destruction exercise.

In summary, “mission impossible” could have only been carried out by a miracle Leprechaun who eats brass and makes bullets more effective than the laws of physics allow

In summary of all this, we’re told that a flabby 64-year-old senior citizen accountant with a gambling problem managed to expertly lay down highly effective fields of fire, killing 58 and wounding 500+ people by firing off thousands of .223 rounds well outside their effective range, all while producing merely dozens of pieces of expended brass that were magically cooled before they hit the carpet of his hotel room.

This was accomplished, we’re told, by one man firing 10 rifles… wait, no, 27 rifles all by himself, without any military training whatsoever. This same man set up a James Bond spy camera in the hotel hallway to monitor police in an attempt to defend himself against the inevitable police assault, then he just changed his mind and shot himself the moment the cops showed up… all for no apparent reason.

Oh, and one more thing: This same guy who meticulously planned the hotel room, the rifles hidden in the luggage, the huge collection of 100-round magazines, the window hammer smashing routine, the concert calendar dates, the monotonous lugging of ammunition to his room and even the guarding of the mini-bar when another assault rifle just happened to mindlessly leave a bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his car even though it has no practical use in this scenario unless you’re growing Azaleas. (Yes, fertilizer can actually be used as fertilizer. It’s not all for making bombs as the media stupidly claims.)

So wait, millionaire gambling man who has no military training, no familiarity with automatic weapons, no James Bond super spy training, no political affiliations and nothing in the world to complain about just got tired of living in a $400,000 home, banging Vegas hookers and flying around his private Cessna? Instead of that rather well-off life, he wants to run a suicide mission, set up spy cameras in the hallway, shoot a bunch of innocent people he’s never met and then shoot himself in the head while going down in history as a flaming piece of s##t who will burn in Hell forever? Oh yeah, and before he does all that, he wires $100,000 to his girlfriend in the Philippines?

Call me stupid, but something doesn’t add up here. I don’t know if it’s the missing brass, the missing carpet burns, the wildly fluctuating rifle count, the staged police photos, the B.S. suicide story, the totally laughable ballistics miracles of .223 rounds or the magically disappearing evidence of all the rifle rounds that hit pavement but then seemed to be whisked away by law enforcement. But something smells fishy about all this.

Or maybe I’m just so stupid that I can’t quite understand CNN. Yeah, that must be it.

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Army Of Truth wrote: October 3rd, 2017, 8:14 pm #1: As many as 10 rifles were found in his hotel room… but only one shooter?
I've gone shooting many times with 15-20 guns in my car, between me and one of my friends.
The operation was extremely well funded.
We know the guy was a millionaire. Hell, I've never been considered rich in this country and I've had more than 10 guns at once.
#3: Why are there no muzzle flashes visible from the 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay windows in any of the videos that captured the shooting?
If these were military-style rifles they likely had flash suppressors.
#5: ISIS has openly claimed responsibility for the attack, stating that Paddock “converted to Islam” months earlier
I wouldn't be surprised if he was a new Muslim, this definitely has some hallmarks of it.
#6: Stephen Paddock had no familiarity with automatic weapons and no military training; was not a “gun guy”
They're guns, not particle accelerators. I taught jr. high kids in Alaska how to strip, clean, reassemble, and fire my guns. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.
#7: How does a 64-year-old accountant with no military training possess the strength and stamina to fire a fully automatic weapon for nearly 10 minutes?
This is why people laugh about the media these days: THEY'RE IDIOTS. From what I've seen, it was RAPID fire, not FULL AUTO. Granted, to panty-waists in the media, if it goes "BOOM!" it's either a machine gun or a bomb. Sustained rapid fire is a little more strenuous than flipping through channels on a TV remote, but not all that much more difficult.
#8: Stephen Paddock was gambling away huge amounts of cash… where did he get all that money?
Again, he was a millionaire according to his brother.
#9: Stephen Paddock has no criminal history, no record and no apparent beef with anybody
If he was a new convert to Islam, he might.
#10: The attack required meticulous planning, funding and training… it wasn’t some lone senior citizen who just “snapped”
Think about this: How difficult is it to plan and carry out a terrorist attack in a free society? How difficult would it be if you took a little time to think it through, especially if you were receiving help from people who had experience with this? When you look at how divided our society is become, how much hate is festering in this country, it's frankly shocking it hasn't happened more.
...and somehow picked up an automatic rifle and expertly laid down highly effective fields of automatic weapons fire for 10 minutes without pause is so insanely stupid as to be laughable.
You pick up a piece of machinery. You try to line up point A and B with point C. It happens all over this country at country fairs and amusement parks every day so people can try to win a stuffed bear. Again - Not rocket science.
Only a highly-trained weapons expert with tremendous physical strength, stamina and training could have pulled this off.
Or someone with a shooting rest. Or someone with a table and a pillow. Or someone with a chair back and a blanket. Or someone with a hotel computer desk and a Yellow Pages. Or... or... or...
#11: How was the FBI able to almost immediately declare Paddock had no ties to ISIS — barely 12 hours after the shooting...
I hadn't heard they did that. If they did, I would hope someone got their butt chewed out when they got back to HQ. Making a statement like that so quickly would be asinine.

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Stourme wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:21 am The only thing that doesn't add up is that his family is saying the alleged shooter was not a gun person.
That they were aware of.
Stourme wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:21 amHow does a non gun enthusiast get automatic weapons?
File the appropriate paperwork with the FBI, undergo the background check and purchase a tax stamp, or use a bump stock, or purchase it illegally on the black market, or have your ISIS handlers meet up with you and provide it for you.
Stourme wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:21 amHow did he become familiar with the weapons and when and where did he learn to shoot?
An any one of the many ranges in the area many with instructors, or by watching youtube or other tutorials online, or by simply going to the range and practicing. Or have your ISIS handlers provide basic training. You don't have to be Sergeant York to hit people in a large crowd with a rapid firing weapon.

I still have yet to see anything that isn't plausible.

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He didn't have to be standing at the edge of the window with his barrel pointing out the window and likely wasn't. Standing at the edge would make him easier to locate and easier to hit with police sniper fire. He was probably several feet back from the edge which explains both the expended brass and no muzzle flash.

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IF this was a false flag orchestrated by a conspiracy you can be certain of one thing:
Counter-intelligence will be rampant.
That's why it's important not to glom onto every theory or bit of information coming out.
Oh and if Alex Jones says it then the opposite is true... :roll:

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SmallFarm wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:51 am IF this was a false flag orchestrated by a conspiracy you can be certain of one thing:
Counter-intelligence will be rampant.
That's why it's important not to glom onto every theory or bit of information coming out.
Oh and if Alex Jones says it then the opposite is true... :roll:
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These false flag theories seem to be made up by people who got all of their information on guns from hollywood.

I think this clip alone accounts for most of what their information comes from and there are at least a dozen things wrong with this clip.

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markharr wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:39 am File the appropriate paperwork with the FBI, undergo the background check and purchase a tax stamp, or use a bump stock, or purchase it illegally on the black market, or have your ISIS handlers meet up with you and provide it for you.
Or get the plans online how to do it. This is, admittedly, more difficult than just simple firing and maintenance, but I learned how to make a Marlin Model 60 fire full auto from a kid in High School machine shop. I was in Auto Mech, and since I was helping him put a new exhaust on his Monza, he showed me around the machine shop. By the way, instructions online take about 15 minutes to find and download.

No, I won't share where.

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skmo wrote: October 4th, 2017, 10:20 am
markharr wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:39 am File the appropriate paperwork with the FBI, undergo the background check and purchase a tax stamp, or use a bump stock, or purchase it illegally on the black market, or have your ISIS handlers meet up with you and provide it for you.
Or get the plans online how to do it. This is, admittedly, more difficult than just simple firing and maintenance, but I learned how to make a Marlin Model 60 fire full auto from a kid in High School machine shop. I was in Auto Mech, and since I was helping him put a new exhaust on his Monza, he showed me around the machine shop. By the way, instructions online take about 15 minutes to find and download.

No, I won't share where.
He used Bump-fire stocks, not actual full auto. That's even harder to imagine using on a bipod or back of a chair. The whole platform is unstable by nature.

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iWriteStuff wrote: October 4th, 2017, 10:21 am
skmo wrote: October 4th, 2017, 10:20 am
markharr wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:39 am File the appropriate paperwork with the FBI, undergo the background check and purchase a tax stamp, or use a bump stock, or purchase it illegally on the black market, or have your ISIS handlers meet up with you and provide it for you.
Or get the plans online how to do it. This is, admittedly, more difficult than just simple firing and maintenance, but I learned how to make a Marlin Model 60 fire full auto from a kid in High School machine shop. I was in Auto Mech, and since I was helping him put a new exhaust on his Monza, he showed me around the machine shop. By the way, instructions online take about 15 minutes to find and download.

No, I won't share where.
He used Bump-fire stocks, not actual full auto. That's even harder to imagine using on a bipod or back of a chair. The whole platform is unstable by nature.

See gun on bottom left of picture.bump fire.jpg
But once again. You don't have to be Annie Oakley to kill people in a large crowd with a rapid fire weapon.

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Although the news reporting on this shooting is still in its early stages, there are five strange things that just don’t add up about this massacre (so far). (My source for this is slightly edited for brevity from www.worldaffairsbrief.com)

#1) Dozens of concert-goers reported the presence of multiple shooters
Although law enforcement says there was only one shooter, multiple witnesses are openly reporting the presence of multiple shooters. This could reasonably be the result of confusion and chaos, but it’s also highly suspicious that the shooter had “full auto” weapon which is usually limited to law enforcement or military personnel.

This question about multiple shooters was also raised after the Aurora, Colorado “Batman movie theater” shooting, in which numerous witnesses reported the presence of multiple shooters.

If this shooting was carried out by multiple shooters, it would obviously indicate planning and coordination among a group of people who sought to carry out the shooting for a political purpose of some kind.

#2) Who warned concert-goers they were “all going to die” a full 45 minutes before the shooting started?
Via the UK Express: One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were “all going to die” after pushing her way to the front of the venue.

The witness, 21, told local news: “She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die.

“They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious.”

She described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man.

The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like “everyday people”.

It’s clear that neither of these two people were the shooter, as the shooter is a much taller Caucasian man. Thus, this is not a “lone gunman” massacre. There was coordination. At least three people were aware this shooting was about to take place.

#3) The weapon you hear on videos was FULL AUTO, which is almost impossible to acquire through legal means
The multitude of videos that captured the event clearly indicate that at least one shooter was running a full auto weapons system. Such weapons are almost impossible for “civilians” to acquire. Although some pre-1986 full auto weapons are available for sale, they require extensive ATF documentation, background checks and extremely long wait periods approaching one year. Plus, they tend to cost $25,000 or more, and they’re extremely rare.

Full auto weapons, however, are widely owned by police officers, federal officials and military organizations. It will be very interesting to find out where this weapon came from and how it was acquired.

#4) Why were the exits blocked, trapping victims like rats in a maze?
Numerous reports from witnesses who were on the scene reveal that nearly all the exits were blocked. One witness described the situation as “being caught like a rat in a maze” with numerous “dead ends.”

Why were nearly all the exits blocked? In essence, the concert created a kill zone that amplified the casualties. So far, according to the Clark County Sheriff in Vegas, 515 people have been injured and 59 people have so far died. These are unthinkable numbers, approaching war-time casualty counts. It’s clear from the coverage that this shockingly high body count would not have been possible if people had been free to flee the concert venue.

In essence, the concert trapped the people, preventing them from escaping, and denying them the ability to seek cover. From there, sustained, full-auto gunfire is almost impossible to survive.

From Fox News, a caller named Russell Bleck, who survived the shooting, said live on air, “There were ten-foot walls blocking us in. We couldn’t escape. It was just a massacre. We had nowhere to go.”

In addition, once the shooting started, the stage lights were turned to the crowd, lighting up the crowd and making them an easier target for the shooter(s). Was this deliberate?

#5) Why did the shooter have as many as 10 firearms in his room?
According to news reports, the shooter — identified as Stephen Paddock — had as many as 10 firearms in his room, including several rifles. If he was the only shooter, what’s the point of having so many rifles? One man can obviously only shoot one rifle, and since he had a full auto rifle, he could obviously achieve his evil aims by focusing on his one rifle. There was no need for him to have multiple rifles.

So were the other rifles brought to the room to “stage” the crime scene with an abundance of guns? Why would one elderly man bother to carry 8 – 10 weapons to a hotel room in the first place? That’s a lot of work. Rifles aren’t lightweight devices.

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markharr wrote: October 4th, 2017, 10:29 am
iWriteStuff wrote: October 4th, 2017, 10:21 am
skmo wrote: October 4th, 2017, 10:20 am
markharr wrote: October 4th, 2017, 9:39 am File the appropriate paperwork with the FBI, undergo the background check and purchase a tax stamp, or use a bump stock, or purchase it illegally on the black market, or have your ISIS handlers meet up with you and provide it for you.
Or get the plans online how to do it. This is, admittedly, more difficult than just simple firing and maintenance, but I learned how to make a Marlin Model 60 fire full auto from a kid in High School machine shop. I was in Auto Mech, and since I was helping him put a new exhaust on his Monza, he showed me around the machine shop. By the way, instructions online take about 15 minutes to find and download.

No, I won't share where.
He used Bump-fire stocks, not actual full auto. That's even harder to imagine using on a bipod or back of a chair. The whole platform is unstable by nature.

See gun on bottom left of picture.bump fire.jpg
But once again. You don't have to be Annie Oakley to kill people in a large crowd with a rapid fire weapon.
Have you ever shot one? Better yet, shot one from long distances? It is incredibly hard to keep it on target on full auto and nigh unto impossible to do that with a bump fire stock. To the degree that the whole gun is jumping in your hands (for a strong person), even having a scope becomes totally worthless. It's just in the way and doing you no good. Not to mention bump fire stocks are very physically demanding. This guy was no athlete.

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