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This is the place to post the newest revelation from conference in case some of us missed it or to discuss it.

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So i have to admit that I didn't listen the whole time. But I did hear one talk fully at the end.


Well...this was a question that I had. Last Speaker, Elder Nelson I believe....Said something that caused me to have thoughts pop in to my mind. He said death was necessary.....Is death necessary?
He said as a Medical doctor, that when someone would pass, the family would be taken to a special room with padded walls, and sometimes they would bang their head against the wall in anguish. He said he wished they understood that death is a necessary part of life...and that death is necessary and is just a passage into another world, and that he wished people could understand that?


So...i don't know what my question is, but these are the thoughts that made me ponder.

I know Jesus, when his friend passed, went out on a boat by himself in anguish(can't remember the exact passages...maybe someone can post)...he mourned when those he loved died...Mourn with those that morn thought. He also mourned because the people around him did not understand when Lazarus died that Lazarus was not dead, just" sleeping". We also understand that Christ overcame death through the resurrection....and we also know that John the believed was translated in section 7 of D&C, and then I think the apostle Paul teaches something like this in 1 Corinthians 13. And the city of Enoch was taken up to heaven. And Zion has translated being (I don't have scripture off the top of my head, maybe someone can post a reference).....So the question is maybe ....Is death really necessary? Is it a generational thing??? If the scriptures teach of eternal life...what does that look like? Joseph Smith taught about different types of beings that walked the earth.....when does this get revealed? Do we need to repent of Death? Satan in the temple ceremony said, "we would not surely die, but separation from God caused death"

So, I don't want to adopt an incorrect belief here, but I also don't want to hold out hope that I will never die and be majorly depressed when that time comes. I just want some sound understanding without dismissing all the stuff that popped in my head. I just want to clarify for my own conscience....Based on scripture...is death necessary? In what instances is it not? Also, what do we know about Elijah? Was Elijah translated?

Go...give me your thoughts. Im interested.

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Ezra wrote: September 30th, 2017, 7:13 pm This is the place to post the newest revelation from conference in case some of us missed it or to discuss it.

Listen to Elder Uchtdorfs Priesthood talk. What you are asking is akin to spiritual socialism. Light and truth comes to those who pay a price to receive that which comes from God thru his Holy Spirit. Why should anyone who has not paid such a price expect to be spoon fed revelation from those who have paid said price? The necessary tools have been given to any man or women to receive additional spiritual light and truth. It is up to us as individuals to utilize those tools through effort and dedication on our part in order to gain further light and knowledge. That is how the Lord intended. With more revelation comes more responsibility. It is an individual process. That is merciful on the Lords part.

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Being translated is still a death of sorts. It's a change in form. From near death/dieing and then returning experiences that people have shared with me that happened to them personally even when we die consciousness continues uninterrupted. From this world to the next and back.

Death is scary only in terms of the unknown. But with a belief and testimony of the gospel i don't see the fear of it. It's just part of the journey and process of becoming like our Heavenly Father.

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Mark wrote: September 30th, 2017, 8:08 pm
Ezra wrote: September 30th, 2017, 7:13 pm This is the place to post the newest revelation from conference in case some of us missed it or to discuss it.

Listen to Elder Uchtdorfs Priesthood talk. What you are asking is akin to spiritual socialism. Light and truth comes to those who pay a price to receive that which comes from God thru his Holy Spirit. Why should anyone who has not paid such a price expect to be spoon fed revelation from those who have paid said price? The necessary tools have been given to any man or women to receive additional spiritual light and truth. It is up to us as individuals to utilize those tools through effort and dedication on our part in order to gain further light and knowledge. That is how the Lord intended. With more revelation comes more responsibility. It is an individual process. That is merciful on the Lords part.
What's wrong with having a list to ponder and pray on? To discuss? Personal revelation is personal revelation. Revelations for the church are not some secret. It's given to the world. Discussing it is how we learn and lift each other up. It's a commandment d&c 88 76-82

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Elder Oak's message was fantastic.

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TrueIntent wrote: September 30th, 2017, 7:39 pm So i have to admit that I didn't listen the whole time. But I did hear one talk fully at the end.


Well...this was a question that I had. Last Speaker, Elder Nelson I believe....Said something that caused me to have thoughts pop in to my mind. He said death was necessary.....Is death necessary?
He said as a Medical doctor, that when someone would pass, the family would be taken to a special room with padded walls, and sometimes they would bang their head against the wall in anguish. He said he wished they understood that death is a necessary part of life...and that death is necessary and is just a passage into another world, and that he wished people could understand that?


So...i don't know what my question is, but these are the thoughts that made me ponder.

I know Jesus, when his friend passed, went out on a boat by himself in anguish(can't remember the exact passages...maybe someone can post)...he mourned when those he loved died...Mourn with those that morn thought. He also mourned because the people around him did not understand when Lazarus died that Lazarus was not dead, just" sleeping". We also understand that Christ overcame death through the resurrection....and we also know that John the believed was translated in section 7 of D&C, and then I think the apostle Paul teaches something like this in 1 Corinthians 13. And the city of Enoch was taken up to heaven. And Zion has translated being (I don't have scripture off the top of my head, maybe someone can post a reference).....So the question is maybe ....Is death really necessary? Is it a generational thing??? If the scriptures teach of eternal life...what does that look like? Joseph Smith taught about different types of beings that walked the earth.....when does this get revealed? Do we need to repent of Death? Satan in the temple ceremony said, "we would not surely die, but separation from God caused death"

So, I don't want to adopt an incorrect belief here, but I also don't want to hold out hope that I will never die and be majorly depressed when that time comes. I just want some sound understanding without dismissing all the stuff that popped in my head. I just want to clarify for my own conscience....Based on scripture...is death necessary? In what instances is it not? Also, what do we know about Elijah? Was Elijah translated?

Go...give me your thoughts. Im interested.


When he said that, it struck a cord with me.
Throughout my life, starting when I was quite young (18 or 20 or so) whenever anyone would talk about fearing death, I always said death was nothing to fear, as It is a necessary part of life. If we do not die, did we ever live? Because we live, we must also die. I guess it's biblical, to everything there is a season, a thing must have a beginning, a middle and an end.
So I sure agree with that and did like to hear it.

It has been my experience that LDS do not seem to be real "mourners" with regard to a death. They seem to take it in stride better than other types, perhaps with the understanding that the spirit will live again, that there is life after death.

That screaming and howling that some middle easterners seem to do I think is show, or just an inability to accept a death. But there is no choice on it.
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Mark wrote: September 30th, 2017, 8:08 pm
Ezra wrote: September 30th, 2017, 7:13 pm This is the place to post the newest revelation from conference in case some of us missed it or to discuss it.

Listen to Elder Uchtdorfs Priesthood talk. What you are asking is akin to spiritual socialism. Light and truth comes to those who pay a price to receive that which comes from God thru his Holy Spirit. Why should anyone who has not paid such a price expect to be spoon fed revelation from those who have paid said price? The necessary tools have been given to any man or women to receive additional spiritual light and truth. It is up to us as individuals to utilize those tools through effort and dedication on our part in order to gain further light and knowledge. That is how the Lord intended. With more revelation comes more responsibility. It is an individual process. That is merciful on the Lords part.
True, but I think Ezra just wanted to talk about the talks. Nothing wrong with that. That's our agenda for senior/single/empty nest Family Home Evening tomorrow night, which I look forward to.

Like the song said, "havin' it and sharin' it ain't quite the same".

And I think Ezra has, like the rest of us, paid the price, one way or another.
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Ezra wrote: September 30th, 2017, 8:18 pm Being translated is still a death of sorts. It's a change in form. From near death/dieing and then returning experiences that people have shared with me that happened to them personally even when we die consciousness continues uninterrupted. From this world to the next and back.

Death is scary only in terms of the unknown. But with a belief and testimony of the gospel i don't see the fear of it. It's just part of the journey and process of becoming like our Heavenly Father.
Interesting take on viewing translation as taking on another form....When you study elijah...he leaves a double portion of his spirit on Elisha....What does that mean? Does that have to do with translation? Then elisha has the ability to perform amazing miracles greater....it seems this occurred with the Savior and his apostles....Is this what "occurs" during this change..do you know if this is unrelated? these are just thoughts that came to me with your comment.

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David13 wrote: September 30th, 2017, 8:38 pm
TrueIntent wrote: September 30th, 2017, 7:39 pm So i have to admit that I didn't listen the whole time. But I did hear one talk fully at the end.


Well...this was a question that I had. Last Speaker, Elder Nelson I believe....Said something that caused me to have thoughts pop in to my mind. He said death was necessary.....Is death necessary?
He said as a Medical doctor, that when someone would pass, the family would be taken to a special room with padded walls, and sometimes they would bang their head against the wall in anguish. He said he wished they understood that death is a necessary part of life...and that death is necessary and is just a passage into another world, and that he wished people could understand that?


So...i don't know what my question is, but these are the thoughts that made me ponder.

I know Jesus, when his friend passed, went out on a boat by himself in anguish(can't remember the exact passages...maybe someone can post)...he mourned when those he loved died...Mourn with those that morn thought. He also mourned because the people around him did not understand when Lazarus died that Lazarus was not dead, just" sleeping". We also understand that Christ overcame death through the resurrection....and we also know that John the believed was translated in section 7 of D&C, and then I think the apostle Paul teaches something like this in 1 Corinthians 13. And the city of Enoch was taken up to heaven. And Zion has translated being (I don't have scripture off the top of my head, maybe someone can post a reference).....So the question is maybe ....Is death really necessary? Is it a generational thing??? If the scriptures teach of eternal life...what does that look like? Joseph Smith taught about different types of beings that walked the earth.....when does this get revealed? Do we need to repent of Death? Satan in the temple ceremony said, "we would not surely die, but separation from God caused death"

So, I don't want to adopt an incorrect belief here, but I also don't want to hold out hope that I will never die and be majorly depressed when that time comes. I just want some sound understanding without dismissing all the stuff that popped in my head. I just want to clarify for my own conscience....Based on scripture...is death necessary? In what instances is it not? Also, what do we know about Elijah? Was Elijah translated?

Go...give me your thoughts. Im interested.


When he said that, it struck a cord with me.
Throughout my life, starting when I was quite young (18 or 20 or so) whenever anyone would talk about fearing death, I always said death was nothing to fear, as It is a necessary part of life. If we do not die, did we ever live? Because we live, we must also die. I guess it's biblical, to everything there is a season, a thing must have a beginning, a middle and an end.
So I sure agree with that and did like to hear it.

It has been my experience that LDS do not seem to be real "mourners" with regard to a death. They seem to take it in stride better than other types, perhaps with the understanding that the spirit will live again, that there is life after death.

That screaming and howling that some middle easterners seem to do I think is show, or just an inability to accept a death. But there is no choice on it.
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Thats interesting. as i get older, I don't fear death per say...i fear separation from the ones I have bonded with here, knowing that they won't be together for even a temporary time would feel painful...Even though we can feel or even have spiritual manifestations of losses loved ones...There is still a separation that exists. I have fear based in that...or maybe not even fear...just great pain at the thought that I at some point we go through that.

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President Eyring was spot on in Priesthood and nailed it. One of the most important of the day for those struggling with the church and leaders.

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In the Saturday morning session, Elder John C. Pingree, Jr. spoke of a man, Girish Gamerey (sp?) of Nepal, who joined the Church, attended BYU and years later was instrumental in providing help to over 1500 Nepali refugees who settled in the Salt Lake Valley. He eventually became the Branch President of the Nepali Branch that was formed in Utah. Elder Pingree asks: "Can you see how Heavenly Father prepared and is using Girish?"

The Book of Mormon says that nobody comes to the land of Zion except those the Lord brings. Here we have a general authority confirming that remains true in our time.

When I heard Elder Pingree speak I once again received the confirmation that there is no room for racism or bigotry in the Church of Jesus Christ. Isn't it wonderful that our Heavenly Father loves all his children? We would do well to remember that He is not Northern European or Anglo or Caucasian.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... 1?lang=eng

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drtanner wrote: September 30th, 2017, 9:27 pm President Eyring was spot on in Priesthood and nailed it. One of the most important of the day for those struggling with the church and leaders.
Loved this quote from Pres. Eyring tonight:
There is a thread that binds us to the Lord in our service. It runs from wherever we are called to serve in the kingdom, up through those called to preside over us in the priesthood, and to the prophet, who is bound to the Lord. It takes faith and humility to serve in the place to which we are called, to trust that the Lord called us and those who preside over us, and to sustain them with full faith.

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TrueIntent wrote: September 30th, 2017, 7:39 pm Well...this was a question that I had. Last Speaker, Elder Nelson I believe....Said something that caused me to have thoughts pop in to my mind. He said death was necessary.....Is death necessary?
I think mortality is necessary. Without being mortal, it would be hard to appreciate immortality. And one cannot be mortal without the real possibility of death. Even though translated beings don't experience death in a similar way than others, they have experienced mortality.

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When Satan goes to bed at night, he checks under his bed for Elder Holland.

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Mark wrote: September 30th, 2017, 8:08 pm
Ezra wrote: September 30th, 2017, 7:13 pm This is the place to post the newest revelation from conference in case some of us missed it or to discuss it.
Listen to Elder Uchtdorfs Priesthood talk. What you are asking is akin to spiritual socialism. Light and truth comes to those who pay a price to receive that which comes from God thru his Holy Spirit. Why should anyone who has not paid such a price expect to be spoon fed revelation from those who have paid said price? The necessary tools have been given to any man or women to receive additional spiritual light and truth. It is up to us as individuals to utilize those tools through effort and dedication on our part in order to gain further light and knowledge. That is how the Lord intended. With more revelation comes more responsibility. It is an individual process. That is merciful on the Lords part.
Yet we gather weekly to discuss doctrine and teach other the doctrines of the kingdom.
Yet we gather to hear prophets and other leaders give revelation to us. :roll:

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Ezra wrote: September 30th, 2017, 8:18 pm Being translated is still a death of sorts. It's a change in form. From near death/dieing and then returning experiences that people have shared with me that happened to them personally even when we die consciousness continues uninterrupted. From this world to the next and back.

Death is scary only in terms of the unknown. But with a belief and testimony of the gospel i don't see the fear of it. It's just part of the journey and process of becoming like our Heavenly Father.
Why fear death? Because you're not prepared. I think that's the biggest thing for members, at least.
That could be spiritual, material, emotional, etc.
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I don't consider this new revelation, but I appreciated Elder Ballard's directness when addressing these points (list from talks summaries, lds.org)

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders. Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. …
Do not listen to those who have not been ordained or set apart to their Church calling and are acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.
Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.
Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. …
In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge in expensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support. …

One would hope this would stem the tide of false doctrine and speculation that sometimes pervades discussions on this board, we can hope at least.

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Michelle wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:22 pm I don't consider this new revelation, but I appreciated Elder Ballard's directness when addressing these points (list from talks summaries, lds.org)

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders. Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. …
Do not listen to those who have not been ordained or set apart to their Church calling and are acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.
Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.
Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. …
In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge in expensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support. …

One would hope this would stem the tide of false doctrine and speculation that sometimes pervades discussions on this board, we can hope at least.
I love the irony of Elder Hales dying three or so hours before, in a hospital with doctors and nurses and Western medicine, and I hope President Monson, having received his Western medicine "care," makes it through the night. That would be waaaay too coincidental if he were to die today, too.

But don't worry, with the Western white leaders in charge, your paradigm is safe.

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JohnnyL wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:51 pm I love the irony of Elder Hales dying three or so hours before, in a hospital with doctors and nurses and Western medicine, and I hope President Monson, having received his Western medicine "care," makes it through the night. That would be waaaay too coincidental if he were to die today, too.

But don't worry, with the Western white leaders in charge, your paradigm is safe.
What in the world does this mean.

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JohnnyL wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:51 pm
Michelle wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:22 pm I don't consider this new revelation, but I appreciated Elder Ballard's directness when addressing these points (list from talks summaries, lds.org)

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders. Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. …
Do not listen to those who have not been ordained or set apart to their Church calling and are acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.
Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.
Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. …
In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge in expensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support. …

One would hope this would stem the tide of false doctrine and speculation that sometimes pervades discussions on this board, we can hope at least.
I love the irony of Elder Hales dying three or so hours before, in a hospital with doctors and nurses and Western medicine, and I hope President Monson, having received his Western medicine "care," makes it through the night. That would be waaaay too coincidental if he were to die today, too.

But don't worry, with the Western white leaders in charge, your paradigm is safe.
The true irony is that you failed to mention the fact that never in the recorded history of the earth has any energy healers, essential oils, Eastern medicine, etc., etc., ever been able to keep a person from dying. Only the Priesthood of God has power over death. And yet you and others keep trying to defend and turn others towards certain 'alternative' healing practices which are clearly not of God, as per a Prophet of God.

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JohnnyL wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:51 pm
Michelle wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:22 pm I don't consider this new revelation, but I appreciated Elder Ballard's directness when addressing these points (list from talks summaries, lds.org)

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders. Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. …
Do not listen to those who have not been ordained or set apart to their Church calling and are acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.
Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.
Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. …
In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge in expensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support. …

One would hope this would stem the tide of false doctrine and speculation that sometimes pervades discussions on this board, we can hope at least.
I love the irony of Elder Hales dying three or so hours before, in a hospital with doctors and nurses and Western medicine, and I hope President Monson, having received his Western medicine "care," makes it through the night. That would be waaaay too coincidental if he were to die today, too.

But don't worry, with the Western white leaders in charge, your paradigm is safe.
I urge you to give up energy healing. Please just give it up for a while and see if there is not a change in your life. I have no power over you so you can go back to it later if you want to. Just a few months. Please.

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It's not necessarily a new one as of this weekend, but it was confirmed and reinforced this weekend. When the leaders speak at conference they use first person experiences with doctrine to teach us. Elder Zwick's experience with the illiterate elder was the best of conference weekend. He taught the principle of seeking to understand before seeking to be understood. He taught that mormon platitudes are not always the answer when we don't understand the problem. I love that story and the teachings it represents.

I think it is a powerful way to teach principles. If we are to learn from their example then we need to teach with first person examples from our own life's experiences instead of filling a talk or lesson with a bunch of prophetic quotes about the topic at hand. Getting closer to the audience at hand is way better.

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Silver wrote: October 1st, 2017, 5:23 pm
JohnnyL wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:51 pm
Michelle wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:22 pm I don't consider this new revelation, but I appreciated Elder Ballard's directness when addressing these points (list from talks summaries, lds.org)

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders. Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. …
Do not listen to those who have not been ordained or set apart to their Church calling and are acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.
Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.
Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. …
In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge in expensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support. …

One would hope this would stem the tide of false doctrine and speculation that sometimes pervades discussions on this board, we can hope at least.
I love the irony of Elder Hales dying three or so hours before, in a hospital with doctors and nurses and Western medicine, and I hope President Monson, having received his Western medicine "care," makes it through the night. That would be waaaay too coincidental if he were to die today, too.

But don't worry, with the Western white leaders in charge, your paradigm is safe.
I urge you to give up energy healing. Please just give it up for a while and see if there is not a change in your life. I have no power over you so you can go back to it later if you want to. Just a few months. Please.
Lol, how about giving up promoting/ trading/ collecting silver, or manna, for at least a few months and see?

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JohnnyL wrote: October 1st, 2017, 8:38 pm
Silver wrote: October 1st, 2017, 5:23 pm
JohnnyL wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:51 pm
Michelle wrote: October 1st, 2017, 4:22 pm I don't consider this new revelation, but I appreciated Elder Ballard's directness when addressing these points (list from talks summaries, lds.org)

Today I repeat earlier counsel from Church leaders. Brothers and sisters, keep the doctrine of Christ pure and never be deceived by those who tamper with the doctrine. …
Do not listen to those who have not been ordained or set apart to their Church calling and are acknowledged by common consent of the members of the Church.
Be aware of organizations, groups, or individuals claiming secret answers to doctrinal questions that they say today’s apostles and prophets do not have or understand.
Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. …
In some places, too many of our people are looking beyond the mark and seeking secret knowledge in expensive and questionable practices to provide healing and support. …

One would hope this would stem the tide of false doctrine and speculation that sometimes pervades discussions on this board, we can hope at least.
I love the irony of Elder Hales dying three or so hours before, in a hospital with doctors and nurses and Western medicine, and I hope President Monson, having received his Western medicine "care," makes it through the night. That would be waaaay too coincidental if he were to die today, too.

But don't worry, with the Western white leaders in charge, your paradigm is safe.
I urge you to give up energy healing. Please just give it up for a while and see if there is not a change in your life. I have no power over you so you can go back to it later if you want to. Just a few months. Please.
Lol, how about giving up promoting/ trading/ collecting silver, or manna, for at least a few months and see?
You understand how collecting precious metals isn't even remotely similar to aligning chakras, channeling spirits, or getting paid to be a spiritual healer, right? When there's a talk in GC about the evils of collecting coins, you feel free to remind us.

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