The keys of of the church is your strawman.LDS Anarchist wrote: ↑October 1st, 2017, 12:24 pmDenver's priesthood is useless without the keys of the church. It is the keys of the church that authorize the keys of the priesthood. Once the church has been established and organized (which has already happened), your priesthood and keys are subject to the keys of the church. Remove yourself from the church, and then try to use your priesthood, and instead of blessings you'll get curses, instead of the Holy Ghost, you'll have demons come and set up shop and start giving you tons of false revelations. You'll say, "Oh, look at all the revelations I'm receiving now! I never had so many revelations as I have now that I've departed from the church!" And that might be true that you never had so many. But all the revelations will be false. So what good are they? None of that is salvific. Plus, the priesthood you use without church authorization cannot write your name on the Book of Life. (Per D&C 128.) Either you do not understand what the keys are for, or you don't care. You are too drunk on all the false manifestations.underdog wrote: ↑September 30th, 2017, 6:31 pm You said:
What about apostasy? DC 121 declares you lose priesthood once you abuse it. Denver's whole point is leaders have lost their priesthood due to abuse. You all completely ignore this truth. The principle is immutable.As all these revelations are true, everyone can expect these two priesthoods, and their keys, to remain in this church until the restoration of all things.
Joseph's revelations above are still intact because Denver received his patriarchal and even Aaronic Priesthood while a member.
Now, who am I to speak, right? If your experience in the church has been one of drought, of putting up a glass to your lips and getting nothing, no spiritual manifestations, no gifts, nothing, and now you've departed and are getting lots (but all false), it's very much like spiritual masturbation. Nothing comes of it. Sure, it's sensory, but it's fruitless. In the church you were spiritually celibate, devoid of spiritual manifestations, but your name got written in the heavens, in the heavenly Book of Life. But that's not good enough for you, so you depart.
This is the same tactic used by the devils for devil-worshipping. All the occult practices apply the same principle: sell your soul to the devil and reap the "rewards" now. In the after life you will lose all, but at least now you get to enjoy some power or sex or manifestations or whatever it is you are seeking to enjoy. But your afterlife is screwed. All the people who sell their souls do so with the understanding that it's all for this life alone, the next life is one of misery and captivity. And so they seek to live as long as possible.
The same devilish principle applies to people believing in Christ who follow false spirits and false teachers. These people want everything NOW. Give me Zion NOW. Let's establish Zion NOW. Let's get more scripture NOW. Let's continue the restoration NOW. So, the timetable of things is taken out of the Lord's hands and placed into the hands of the apostates. They will forcefully make all the scriptures come to pass and be fulfilled, except for the scripture they don't like or agree with. That scripture will get tossed into the trash. And how will they perform this great miracle? By resorting to demonic spirits. The demons are ready and willing to provide as much guidance and priesthood and scripture as one wants.
The demons will speak about the keys of the priesthood, but they won't address the keys of the church. They won't because they can't. There is nothing they can say about the keys of the church. The keys of the church undoes the devil doctrines. It destroys these crafts. Have I not written extensively about the keys of the church? Who else has written about such things? Has Denver? No. He doesn't have a clue about these things because if he even attempts to address them, his whole narrative unravels. All apostates avoid the topic of the keys of the church like the plague.
That's what I'm saying to you. Your definition of "church" is another strawman.
You spend great time convincing yourself of YOUR definitions and then shoot down other arguments that don't conform to YOUR definitions.
Your ideas are about YOU and what YOU think.
I think it's better to let the Scriptures govern instead of setting yourself up as the source of definitions. You cite your revelations as source material and yet do not even declare to be sent.