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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:08 am

Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?

Trump supporters have no integrity.

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Trump Threatens Withdrawal Of NBC Broadcast License After "Fake" Tenfold-Nuke Story

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Oct 11, 2017 9:58 AM

Update (1:25 pm ET): FCC Chairman Pai has yet to respond to Markey's letter urging him to resist any attempt by Trump to revoke NBC's license, but one of his fellow commissioners has, clarifying that the FCC doesn't have the power to revoke the license from an entire network - only its affiliate networks around the country.

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Update (12:30 pm ET): Even though Trump has a widely acknowledged habit of not following through with threats issued on twitter, at least one Democratic politician apparently felt compelled to chime in. Democratic Sen. Edward Markey is calling on FCC Chairman Ajit Pai to resist any attempt by President Trump or his administration to pull the licenses of NBC or any broadcaster over coverage.

In his letter to Pai, he said the comment was "inappropriate."
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:55 pm

War. That's the way Gadiantons force a false patriotism on the American Sheeple. Their narcissistic puppet, Trump, has made enough remarks about North Korea and Iran to eliminate any doubt about what he wants to do with the military. More precious blood spilt for the Luciferians.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-1 ... ump-part-2

Empire-Destroying Wars Are Coming To America Under Trump - Part 2

Oct 11, 2017 8:20 PM

Authored by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

– Major General Smedley Butler, War is a Racket (1935)
Yesterday’s post, Empire Destroying Wars Are Coming to America Under Trump – Part 1, outlined my view that President Donald Trump, despite campaign slogans to focus on “America First,” is likely to entangle the nation in major new wars which will precipitate a chaotic and dangerous collapse of U.S. empire.

I base this view on his actions since coming into office, as well as the bloodthirsty war hawks he’s increasingly turning to for advice, with Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton being the most concerning of all.

Today’s post will dig into how Trump will attempt to sell his wars, and will also address the role corporate media is likely to play in the legitimization of any future destructive conflagration.



To understand how Trump will attempt to rally his base to support another idiotic overseas conflict, all we have to do is look at his recent obsession with promoting fake patriotism via the NFL national anthem controversy. As I noted in the recent post, Thoughts on Trump, Fake Patriotism and ‘Taking a Knee’:

When I look at Trump’s commentary and tweets in aggregate one thing becomes crystal clear. Trump is trying to redefine America and what it means to be a patriot in superficial and jingoistic terms. He’s essentially grooming his supporters into thinking that worshipping a piece of fabric is what separates those who love this country from those who hate it and want to destroy it. By making this about a symbol as opposed to the ideas that this symbol represents, he allows his supporters to feel they are a part of “taking America back” while not even remotely comprehending what the country is actually all about. It’s like losing weight while eating whatever you want, all you have to do is vomit afterwards. Trump is essentially conditioning his supporters to follow him as he regurgitates all over the Constitution, because as long as they stay true to a piece of fabric or song, they honor the country. Patriotism made easy.

Which is why what Trump did here is the most dangerous thing he’s done since becoming President. He’s using an issue that existed and was already divisive as a way to redefine what patriotism means in America. It’s no longer about free speech, the right to privacy and the rest of it, but rather patriotism now revolves around a song and a flag. A societal embrace of this sort of fake patriotism is how horrible things happen, and I hope most Trump voters are wise enough to see this.
In case you haven’t noticed, Trump isn’t dropping the NFL thing, which makes me even more convinced I’m on to something. If he can convince his diehard supporters and other segments of the U.S. population that patriotism is as simple as flag worship versus adherence to our founding principles, he can surely convince them to support anther stupid war because it’d be unpatriotic not to.

This is precisely why I focused on the NFL issue a couple of weeks ago. I don’t think it’s a distraction at all, rather, I think it’s part of a much larger campaign to get his supporters to accept President Trump as the arbiter of what’s considered patriotic and what isn’t. Today it’s standing for the national anthem, tomorrow it’ll be whether or not you support a new crazy military adventure. He’s preemptively conditioning his groupies to follow him into cataclysm and cheer their own destruction along the way. Mike Pence was a willing participant in this manufacturing of fake patriotism over the weekend via his cheap stunt at the Colts game.

This will be Trump’s play. Given his clownish and undeniable betrayal when it comes to economic populism, he will increasingly focus on the culture war, and then ultimately, real war.

In order to successfully sell war, Trump will probably need one other thing in addition to a passive, slobbering base of fake patriots. He’ll also need the corporate media.

I know, I know, the media hates Trump, right? There’s no way they’ll support a major war launched by Trump you say. On this, I unfortunately will have to disagree.

On the question of war, the corporate media has proven itself to be craven bloodthirsty sycophants to the foreign policy establishment irrespective of who resides in the Oval Office. I suspect the same will be true when it comes to Trump, especially if Iran becomes the key target of mindless imperial aggression.

In order to understand how shamelessly and dishonestly the corporate media gets behind war based on total fabrications, let’s take a look at some comments from Chris Hedges in a recent must read interview.

I was on the investigative team at the New York Times during the lead-up to the Iraq War. I was based in Paris and covered Al Qaeda in Europe and the Middle East. Lewis Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle and maybe somebody in an intelligence agency, would confirm whatever story the administration was attempting to pitch. Journalistic rules at the Times say you can’t go with a one-source story. But if you have three or four supposedly independent sources confirming the same narrative, then you can go with it, which is how they did it. The paper did not break any rules taught at Columbia journalism school, but everything they wrote was a lie.

The whole exercise was farcical. The White House would leak some bogus story to Judy Miller or Michael Gordon, and then go on the talk shows to say, ‘as the Times reported….’ It gave these lies the veneer of independence and reputable journalism. This was a massive institutional failing, and one the paper has never faced.
Have we seen any evidence that The New York Times or Washington Post have changed their ways? I say no, and I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see them ultimately war-monger behind Trump on Iran. At the end of the day, they don’t dislike Trump’s policies so much as they dislike his personal style and demeanor. They prefer a slick marketer for the status quo like Barack Obama in the White House — a charismatic executioner, a man who calls Wall Street executives fat cats one day, then endorses trillions in no strings attached bailouts the next. The foreign policy establishment has been salivating about taking out Iran for decades, and if Trump goes there, I suspect corporate media will enthusiastically cheerlead him into battle.

Today’s post discussed how I think Trump will sell his wars, and explored the possibility that corporate media ultimately will get behind them. Tomorrow’s post will dig into why I think any major new wars under Trump will lead to an acceleration in U.S. imperial collapse. A decline we need to accept as both highly probable and dangerous, but also one that could provide once in a generation opportunities for meaningful positive change.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:32 am

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-1 ... -predators

Power Corrupts: A Culture Of Compliance Breeds Despots And Predators

Oct 11, 2017 11:20 PM
Authored by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,

Power corrupts.

Worse, as 19th-century historian Lord Acton concluded, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re talking about a politician, an entertainment mogul, a corporate CEO or a police officer: give any one person (or government agency) too much power and allow him or her or it to believe that they are entitled, untouchable and will not be held accountable for their actions, and those powers will eventually be abused.

We’re seeing this dynamic play out every day in communities across America.

A cop shoots an unarmed citizen for no credible reason and gets away with it. A president employs executive orders to sidestep the Constitution and gets away with it. A government agency spies on its citizens’ communications and gets away with it. An entertainment mogul sexually harasses aspiring actresses and gets away with it.

Abuse of power - and the ambition-fueled hypocrisy and deliberate disregard for misconduct that make those abuses possible - works the same whether you’re talking about sexual harassment, government corruption, or the rule of law.

For instance, 20 years ago, I took up a sexual harassment lawsuit on behalf of a young woman - a state employee - who claimed that her boss, a politically powerful man, had arranged for her to meet him in a hotel room, where he then allegedly dropped his pants, propositioned her and invited her to perform oral sex on him.

Despite the fact that this man had a well-known reputation for womanizing and this woman was merely one in a long line of women who had accused the man of groping, propositioning, and pressuring them for sexual favors in the workplace, she was denounced as white trash and subjected to a massive smear campaign by the man’s wife, friends and colleagues (including the leading women’s rights organizations of the day), while he was given lucrative book deals and paid lavish sums for speaking engagements.

William Jefferson Clinton eventually agreed to settle the case and pay Paula Jones $850,000.


Here we are 20 years later and not much has changed.

We’re still shocked by sexual harassment in the workplace, the victims of these sexual predators are still being harassed and smeared, and those who stand to gain the most by overlooking wrongdoing (all across the political spectrum) are still turning a blind eye to misconduct when it’s politically expedient to do so.

This time, it’s Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein - longtime Clinton associate and a powerhouse when it comes to raising money for Democrats - who is being accused of decades of sexual assaults, aggressively sexual overtures and harassment.

I won’t go into the nauseating details here. You can read them for yourself at the New York Times and the New Yorker.

Suffice it to say that it’s the same old story all over again: man rises to power, man abuses power abominably, man intimidates and threatens anyone who challenges him with retaliation or worse, and man gets away with it because of a culture of compliance in which no one speaks up because they don’t want to lose their job or their money or their place among the elite.

This isn’t just happening in Hollywood, however.

And it’s not just sexual predators that we have to worry about.

For every high-profile power broker who eventually gets called out for his sexual misbehavior, there are hundreds - thousands - of others in the American police state who are getting away with murder - in many cases, literally - simply because they can.

The cop who shoots the unarmed citizen first and asks questions later might get put on paid leave for a while or take a job with another police department, but that’s just a slap on the wrist. The shootings and SWAT team raids and excessive use of force will continue, because the police unions and the politicians and the courts won’t do a thing to stop it. Case in point: The Justice Department will no longer attempt to police the police when it comes to official misconduct. Instead, it plans to give police agencies more money and authority to “fight” crime.

The war hawks who are making a profit by waging endless wars abroad, killing innocent civilians in hospitals and schools, and turning the American homeland into a domestic battlefield will continue to do so because neither the president nor the politicians will dare to challenge the military industrial complex. Case in point: Rather than scaling back on America’s endless wars, President Trump—like his predecessors—has continued to expand America’s military empire and its attempts to police the globe.

The National Security Agency that carries out warrantless surveillance on Americans’ internet and phone communications will continue to do so, because the government doesn’t want to relinquish any of its ill-gotten powers. Case in point: The USA Liberty Act, proposed as a way to “fix” all that’s wrong with domestic surveillance, will instead legitimize the government’s snooping powers.

Unless something changes in the way we deal with these ongoing, egregious abuses of power, the predators of the police state will continue to wreak havoc on our freedoms, our communities, and our lives.

For starters, let’s recommit to abiding by the rule of law.

Here’s what the rule of law means in a nutshell: it means that everyone is treated the same under the law, everyone is held equally accountable to abiding by the law, and no one is given a free pass based on their politics, their connections, their wealth, their status or any other bright line test used to confer special treatment on the elite.

We need to stop being victimized by these predators.

As I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, I’m not just talking about the political predators in office, but the ones who are running the show behind the scenes—the shadow government—comprised of unelected government bureaucrats whose powers are unaffected by elections, unaltered by populist movements, and beyond the reach of the law.

There is no way to erase the scars left by the government’s greed for money and power, its disregard for human life, its corruption and graft, its pollution of the environment, its reliance on excessive force in order to ensure compliance, its covert activities, its illegal surveillance, and its blatant disdain for the rule of law.

“We the people” - men and women alike - have been victims of the police state for so long that not many Americans even remember what it is to be truly free anymore. Worse, few want to shoulder the responsibility that goes along with maintaining freedom.

Still, we must try.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:54 am

Proud. So proud.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-1 ... mple-chart

Trump's Afghanistan War Policy (In 1 Simple Chart)

by Tyler Durden
Oct 12, 2017 2:26 PM

President Trump’s coalition airpower in Afghanistan continued its annihilation of ‘extremist groups’. Latest figures from Air Force Central Command’s ‘Airpower Summary’ for September showed a 7-year high in airstrikes.

According to the report,

“September marked a record high month for weapons employed in Afghanistan since 2012, with 751 munitions being delivered against Taliban and ISIS –Khorasan targets; a 50 percent jump from August”.
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The more active air-war reflects the President’s strategy to target extremist groups that threaten the security of Afghanistan.

Defense One adds, U.S. leaders say there’s more to come. Gen. John Nicholson, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, promised “a tidal wave of air power is on the horizon.”

We suspect, President Trump, Warmonger-in-Chief, has just reignited a trend that the military industrial complex is very satisfied about.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby iWriteStuff » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:05 pm

Silver wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:54 am
Proud. So proud.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:03 am

Less than a month now from the first anniversary of a dark day in American history, and isn't it funny, in a nauseating way of course, how all the Trump supporters here still refuse to address the depths of the betrayal that The Marmalade has committed on his voters by having the NWO war criminal Henry Kissinger in the White House again?

Trump supporters are happy to attack me for copy/pasting articles that make them uncomfortable, but they refuse to acknowledge that their "Liddle" Tangerine is no better than Hillary or Obama. Those three are all pawns of the secret combinations. Full stop. What, did you think the Luciferians would just give up and walk away because Bubba and Bubbette 'Murica voted for a lame slogan like MAGA? What sort of fantasy castle in the clouds have you built?

Attacking Silver is easy. Trump supporters admitting their own costly mistake is hard. Reality is hard, like maff.

One more time, y'all, what do warmongers do? They monger war. Is that what you voted for?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-frie ... rm/233137/

Henry Kissinger, seemingly returned from oblivion, has been in the ear of “old friend” Trump since mid-primary season, just after Trump declared himself open to negotiation with North Korea. Since that moment, Trump’s stance and rhetoric have veered inexorably toward war.
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by Whitney Webb
October 12th, 2017

President Donald Trump met with top defense officials Tuesday morning — including Secretary of Defense James Mattis and the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair General Joseph Dunford — in the White House Situation Room, to discuss potential options for responding to any North Korean “aggression” as well as how to prevent North Korea from threatening the United States with nuclear weapons.

The meeting, which was later confirmed by the State Department and a White House press release, came a day after Mattis instructed the U.S. Army to stand ready if North Korea diplomacy fails, and less than a week after Trump’s cryptic “calm before the storm” comments about a previous meeting with top military commanders. Some have noted that the decision to have the meeting in the Situation Room, sometimes called the War Room, was significant, as it is often used to hold secure meetings regarding disasters, military conflicts, and other major crises both domestic and global.

While most reporting gave some context to Trump’s most recent meeting with top defense officials on tensions with Pyongyang, hardly any mentioned that the meeting had been immediately preceded by another. This meeting, also on the topic of North Korea, was held between the president and former Secretary of State and unindicted war criminal Henry Kissinger.

In his post-meeting remarks, Trump praised Kissinger’s ‘immense talent.’ “Henry Kissinger has been a friend of mine,” he added. “I’ve liked him. I’ve respected him. But we’ve been friends for a long time, long before my emergence into the world of politics, which has not been too long.” Kissinger is also a long-time advisor and confidante of Trump’s former rival for the presidency, Hillary Clinton.
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Henry Kissinger and Nancy Kissinger, Donald Trump and wife Ivana Trump backstage at a Liza Minelli show in New York, June 11, 1987. (AP/Ron Frehm)
Henry Kissinger and Nancy Kissinger, Donald Trump and wife Ivana Trump backstage at a Liza Minelli show in New York, June 11, 1987. (AP/Ron Frehm)

Tuesday’s meeting was not the first occasion Trump has met with Kissinger since becoming a fixture in American politics. The pair’s first meeting after Trump’s rise to political prominence took place in May of 2016. That meeting occurred a day after then-candidate Trump said he would open dialogue with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un if elected President. Since that initial meeting, Kissinger and Trump met last November and have already met twice this year.

After their November meeting, Kissinger remarked that Trump would likely not be keeping all his campaign promises, as he was undergoing “the transition from being a campaigner to being a national strategist.” This apparently included his promise of opening dialogue with North Korea.

While often characterized by the mainstream press as a leading “statesman” and “diplomat,” Kissinger’s record shows he is anything but. While serving as Richard Nixon’s Secretary of State, Kissinger oversaw a bloody coup in Chile, an illegal bombing campaign in Cambodia, and millions dead in Vietnam.

Related | Henry Kissinger: Destroying ISIS Could Create ‘Radical Iranian Empire’

Despite overseeing such actions, Kissinger ended up being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, in the same year as the Chilean coup, for his role in bringing “peace” to Vietnam and ending the Vietnam war, though he had actually worked to extend it. The choice of Kissinger was so outrageous that several members of the Nobel committee resigned in protest. Kissinger is also credited with transforming U.S. foreign policy into one of perpetual, undeclared war – a policy that continues today and one that Trump has embraced since becoming President.

Given Trump’s bellicose rhetoric and threats towards North Korea – as well as his rejection of diplomacy in resolving the crisis despite both Pyongyang’s and his own State Department’s apparent willingness to attempt it – Kissinger’s timely guidance to the President during “the calm before the storm” should give the American public considerable cause for concern.

Watch | Henry Kissinger on his 2016 meeting with Donald Trump

Top photo | President Donald Trump meets with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office of the White House, Tuesday, Oct. 10, 2017, in Washington. (AP/Evan Vucci)
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:37 am

Can he do it? Can our hero actually reignite a war in Korea before a full year in office? America needs a new slogan. How about: We sure are good at killing poor brown people.©

That's right. I claim the copyright on that one. It's a good one, eh? Thunk it up all by myself. But the sad thing is, it fits the America of the last 65 years.

Well, y'all gather 'round the TEEVEE cause the Marmalade is gonna start the fireworks soon, maybe.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-1 ... nes-aboard

Trump Sends Second Aircraft Carrier To Korean Peninsula With 7,500 Marines Aboard

by Tyler Durden
Oct 13, 2017 7:15 AM

Just one week after uttering his now-infamous "this is the calm before the storm" statement to the press ahead of a dinner with military leaders, we now learn that President Trump has dispatched a second nuclear aircraft carrier, the USS Theodore Roosevelt, filled with 7,500 marines, to the Korean Peninsula. Of course, this comes after rumors swirled earlier this week that North Korea is preparing to fire multiple short-range rockets around the opening of the Chinese Communist Party’s twice-a-decade congress on Oct. 18th.

The USS Theodore Roosevelt, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, is en route to the western Pacific after leaving San Diego port last week.

The Roosevelt will focus on maritime security operations in the Pacific and Middle East, the US military announced.

But the £3.4billion ($4.5billion) warship, known as “the Big Stick”, has been sent to boost US defence on the Korean peninsula, according to South Korean media.

It is expected to arrive in region in the coming weeks amid fears North Korea is about to test another missile or nuclear weapon.
Per the following map from Stratfor, the USS Theodore Roosevelt will join the USS Ronald Reagan which is already operating in the region.

Ship Positions

According to a statement from Admiral Steve Koehler, a strike group commander on the ship, the Roosevelt is carrying some 7,500 sailors and marines that are “ready as a war fighting force”.

“The US Navy carrier strike group is the most versatile, capable force at sea,” he said in a statement before the ship’s launch.

“After nearly a year of training and integration exercises, the entire team is ready as a warfighting force and ready to carry out the nation’s tasking.”
Of course, as we noted above, this buildup of naval forces in the Pacific follows an ominous warning from the President last week that preceded a dinner with military leaders: "You guys know what this represents? Maybe it's the calm before the storm," he said: "It could be the calm... before... the storm."

A reporter quickly asked what the storm might be -"Is it Iran, ISIS, what's the storm?" to which he replied... "...you'll find out."


So what say you? Just more bluster from a headline seeking President and normal-ish naval patrols in the Pacific or have we reached a point of no return in an escalating conflict with a rogue North Korean leader that could turn violent at any moment?
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby eddie » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:01 pm

Silver wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:35 am
Squirm all you want, Trump supporters. I just sit here and smile at how you call me a hater without acknowledging that Trump is murdering innocent people in the Middle East now. Or that Trump has more CFR in his administration that Obama.

So which is worse, me pointing out that Trump is a murderer or Trump actually murdering people? Yep, thought so. But y'all just keep on attacking ol' Silver.
You bring it on yourself, I like Trump even more because of your posts, get a grip..

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:36 pm

Amazing how priesthood holders can see with their own eyes that Trump is receiving advice from Kissinger and still deny the negative implications. When Hillary claimed Henry Kissinger among her friends, the pretend conservatives booed and hissed. When the Marmalade says Kissinger is an old friend, it's totally cool. Hypocrisy on full display.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby harakim » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:08 pm

There is a lot of hate against Trump. I'm not a fan of hate. I am starting to think Trump might be a good guy, but misguided. In any case, I don't expect the situation to improve, but I hope and pray for it.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Tree » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:01 pm

Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:36 pm
Amazing how priesthood holders can see with their own eyes that Trump is receiving advice from Kissinger and still deny the negative implications. When Hillary claimed Henry Kissinger among her friends, the pretend conservatives booed and hissed. When the Marmalade says Kissinger is an old friend, it's totally cool. Hypocrisy on full display.
Kissinger is not giving Trump advice on going to war but to delay war with NK. Globalist are not ready for a full blown nuclear war right now.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:53 pm

Tree wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:01 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:36 pm
Amazing how priesthood holders can see with their own eyes that Trump is receiving advice from Kissinger and still deny the negative implications. When Hillary claimed Henry Kissinger among her friends, the pretend conservatives booed and hissed. When the Marmalade says Kissinger is an old friend, it's totally cool. Hypocrisy on full display.
Kissinger is not giving Trump advice on going to war but to delay war with NK. Globalist are not ready for a full blown nuclear war right now.
You know that how?
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby gardener4life » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:34 pm

Silver wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:53 pm
Tree wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:01 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:36 pm
Amazing how priesthood holders can see with their own eyes that Trump is receiving advice from Kissinger and still deny the negative implications. When Hillary claimed Henry Kissinger among her friends, the pretend conservatives booed and hissed. When the Marmalade says Kissinger is an old friend, it's totally cool. Hypocrisy on full display.
Kissinger is not giving Trump advice on going to war but to delay war with NK. Globalist are not ready for a full blown nuclear war right now.
You know that how?
Since we're such good friends I thought that pasting this here might help you remember it doesn't help anyone to attack their own government.


D&C 134:5 We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion are unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished accordingly; and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same time, however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience.
6 We believe that every man should be honored in his station, rulers and magistrates as such, being placed for the protection of the innocent and the punishment of the guilty; and that to the laws all men owe respect and deference, as without them peace and harmony would be supplanted by anarchy and terror; human laws being instituted for the express purpose of regulating our interests as individuals and nations, between man and man; and divine laws given of heaven, prescribing rules on spiritual concerns, for faith and worship, both to be answered by man to his Maker.
7 We believe that rulers, states, and governments have a right, and are bound to enact laws for the protection of all citizens in the free exercise of their religious belief; but we do not believe that they have a right in justice to deprive citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them in their opinions, so long as a regard and reverence are shown to the laws and such religious opinions do not justify sedition nor conspiracy.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:28 am

gardener4life wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:34 pm
Silver wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:53 pm
Tree wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:01 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:36 pm
Amazing how priesthood holders can see with their own eyes that Trump is receiving advice from Kissinger and still deny the negative implications. When Hillary claimed Henry Kissinger among her friends, the pretend conservatives booed and hissed. When the Marmalade says Kissinger is an old friend, it's totally cool. Hypocrisy on full display.
Kissinger is not giving Trump advice on going to war but to delay war with NK. Globalist are not ready for a full blown nuclear war right now.
You know that how?
Since we're such good friends I thought that pasting this here might help you remember it doesn't help anyone to attack their own government.


D&C 134:5 We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion are unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished accordingly; and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same time, however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience.
6 We believe that every man should be honored in his station, rulers and magistrates as such, being placed for the protection of the innocent and the punishment of the guilty; and that to the laws all men owe respect and deference, as without them peace and harmony would be supplanted by anarchy and terror; human laws being instituted for the express purpose of regulating our interests as individuals and nations, between man and man; and divine laws given of heaven, prescribing rules on spiritual concerns, for faith and worship, both to be answered by man to his Maker.
7 We believe that rulers, states, and governments have a right, and are bound to enact laws for the protection of all citizens in the free exercise of their religious belief; but we do not believe that they have a right in justice to deprive citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them in their opinions, so long as a regard and reverence are shown to the laws and such religious opinions do not justify sedition nor conspiracy.
Sorry, I hadn't recognized any sort of friendship between thee and me. I am open, however, to the possibility.

Let me fix your quote for you:
D&C 134:5 We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion are unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished accordingly; and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same time, however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience.
6 We believe that every man should be honored in his station, rulers and magistrates as such, being placed for the protection of the innocent and the punishment of the guilty; and that to the laws all men owe respect and deference, as without them peace and harmony would be supplanted by anarchy and terror; human laws being instituted for the express purpose of regulating our interests as individuals and nations, between man and man; and divine laws given of heaven, prescribing rules on spiritual concerns, for faith and worship, both to be answered by man to his Maker.
7 We believe that rulers, states, and governments have a right, and are bound to enact laws for the protection of all citizens in the free exercise of their religious belief; but we do not believe that they have a right in justice to deprive citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them in their opinions, so long as a regard and reverence are shown to the laws and such religious opinions do not justify sedition nor conspiracy.

As our inalienable rights are being willfully diminished, so is any requirement to remain loyal to the government.

Do you vote for Democratic candidates? If so, there's not much to discuss between us.
Do you vote for Republican candidates? If so, why, when they have proven themselves so undeserving of our trust and respect? Or do you believe it is OK to vote for the lesser of two evils? (Ether's Avenue is a great thread for everyone who tries to justify their vote for evil.)

I think a book as fresh as today's headlines makes my choice clear. See the Book of Mormon and Captain Moroni's Title of Liberty.
As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. (T)he worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Ezra Taft Benson

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:36 am

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-1 ... om-failing

This Is How Tyranny Rises And Freedom Falls: The Experiment In Freedom Is Failing

Oct 17, 2017 10:05 PM

Authored by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,

It is easy to be distracted right now by the circus politics that have dominated the news headlines for the past year, but don’t be distracted.

Don’t be fooled, not even a little.

We’re being subjected to the oldest con game in the books, the magician’s sleight of hand that keeps you focused on the shell game in front of you while your wallet is being picked clean by ruffians in your midst.

This is how tyranny rises and freedom falls.

What characterizes American government today is not so much dysfunctional politics as it is ruthlessly contrived governance carried out behind the entertaining, distracting and disingenuous curtain of political theater. And what political theater it is, diabolically Shakespearean at times, full of sound and fury, yet in the end, signifying nothing.

We are being ruled by a government of scoundrels, spies, thugs, thieves, gangsters, ruffians, rapists, extortionists, bounty hunters, battle-ready warriors and cold-blooded killers who communicate using a language of force and oppression.

The U.S. government now poses the greatest threat to our freedoms.

More than terrorism, more than domestic extremism, more than gun violence and organized crime, even more than the perceived threat posed by any single politician, the U.S. government remains a greater menace to the life, liberty and property of its citizens than any of the so-called dangers from which the government claims to protect us.

This has been true of virtually every occupant of the White House in recent years.

Unfortunately, nothing has changed for the better since Donald Trump ascended to the Oval Office.

Indeed, Trump may be the smartest move yet by the powers-that-be to keep the citizenry divided and at each other’s throats, because as long as we’re busy fighting each other, we’ll never manage to present a unified front against tyranny in any form.


The facts speak for themselves.

We’re being robbed blind by a government of thieves. Americans no longer have any real protection against government agents empowered to seize private property at will. For instance, police agencies under the guise of asset forfeiture laws are taking Americans’ personal property based on little more than a suspicion of criminal activity and keeping it for their own profit and gain.

We’re being taken advantage of by a government of scoundrels, idiots and cowards. When you’ve got government representatives who spend a large chunk of their work hours fundraising, being feted by lobbyists, shuffling through a lucrative revolving door between public service and lobbying, and making themselves available to anyone with enough money to secure access to a congressional office, you’re in the clutches of a corrupt oligarchy.

We’re being locked up by a government of greedy jailers. We have become a carceral state, spending three times more on our prisons than on our schools and imprisoning close to a quarter of the world’s prisoners, despite the fact that crime is at an all-time low and the U.S. makes up only 5% of the world’s population. The rise of overcriminalization and profit-driven private prisons provides even greater incentives for locking up American citizens for such non-violent “crimes” as having an overgrown lawn.

We’re being spied on by a government of Peeping Toms. The government is watching everything you do, reading everything you write, listening to everything you say, and monitoring everything you spend. Omnipresent surveillance is paving the way for government programs that profile citizens, document their behavior and attempt to predict what they might do in the future, whether it’s what they might buy, what politician they might support, or what kinds of crimes they might commit.

We’re being ravaged by a government of ruffians, rapists and killers. It’s not just the police shootings of unarmed citizens that are worrisome. It’s the SWAT team raids gone wrong—more than 80,000 annually—that are leaving innocent citizens wounded, children terrorized and family pets killed. It’s the roadside strip searches—in some cases, cavity searches of men and women alike carried out in full view of the public—in pursuit of drugs that are never found. It’s the potentially lethal—and unwarranted—use of so-called “nonlethal” weapons such as tasers on children for engaging in little more than childish behavior.

We’re being forced to surrender our freedoms—and those of our children—to a government of extortionists, money launderers and professional pirates. Under the guise of fighting its wars on terror, drugs and now domestic extremism, the government has spent billions in taxpayer dollars on endless wars that have not ended terrorism but merely sown the seeds of blowback, surveillance programs that have caught few terrorists while subjecting all Americans to a surveillance society, and militarized police that have done little to decrease crime while turning communities into warzones.

We’re being held at gunpoint by a government of soldiers: a standing army. As if it weren’t enough that the American military empire stretches around the globe (and continues to leech much-needed resources from the American economy), the U.S. government is creating its own standing army of militarized police and teams of weaponized bureaucrats. These civilian employees are being armed to the hilt with guns, ammunition and military-style equipment; trained in military tactics; and authorized to lock the nation down under martial law.

Whatever else it may be—a danger, a menace, a threat—the U.S. government is certainly no friend to freedom.

As I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, you cannot have a republican form of government - nor a democratic one, for that matter - when the government views itself as superior to the citizenry, when it no longer operates for the benefit of the people, when the people are no longer able to peacefully reform their government, when government officials cease to act like public servants, when elected officials no longer represent the will of the people, when the government routinely violates the rights of the people and perpetrates more violence against the citizenry than the criminal class, when government spending is unaccountable and unaccounted for, when the judiciary act as courts of order rather than justice, and when the government is no longer bound by the laws of the Constitution.

We won’t be able to sustain this fiction much longer.

“Things fall apart,” wrote W.B. Yeats in his dark, forbidding poem “The Second Coming.”

“The centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world… Surely some revelation is at hand.”
Wake up, America, and break free of your chains.

Something wicked this way comes.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:23 pm

Silver wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:07 pm
The list is not complete:
What do we have to show for it?
1. An administration full of NWO/CFR/warmongers/Gadiantons
2. A lifelong Washington insider and CFR member appointed to the Supreme Court
3. A discovery that the Marmalade prefers spastic early morning tweets instead of rational negotiations, such a contrast from the person his ghost writer described in the best-selling The Art of the Deal
4. Reneging on campaign promises like Mexico will pay for the wall and "Lock Her Up"
5. War and threats of war as far as the eye can see
6. Debt ceilings ignored and national debt skyrocketing
7. He's in love DACA Dreamers
8. Obamacare never got repealed
9. Mnuchin, the law-breaking Treasury Secretary, and Trump lied about Trump's tax reform
10. President Jared Kushner is sitting on a couple hundred million dollars from George Soros and the Trump supporters want us to pretend that the Marmalade is a conservative

11. Fight like a high school kid on Twitter. Marmalade is so mature and grown up.
12. Appoint a modern-day Gadianton to head the Federal Reserve. Trump doesn't want to end the Fed and your status as a debt slave.

There...12 things to prove that Trump is no better than Hillary.
I hope your chains don't weigh too much.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-2 ... -fed-picks

"More Of The Same" - Ron Paul Laments Trump's Fed Picks

Oct 23, 2017 9:25 PM

by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,
As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. (T)he worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Ezra Taft Benson

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:14 pm

War criminal. Don't be one. Don't be one like The Marmalade.

http://theantimedia.org/media-pretend-b ... -criminal/

How to Get the Media to Pretend You’re Not a War Criminal
October 24, 2017 at 9:34 am
Written by Darius Shahtahmasebi

(ANTIMEDIA Op-ed) — One won’t find much mention of it in the corporate media, but in 2011 a Malaysian court found George W. Bush and Tony Blair guilty of crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and genocide as a result of their roles in the Iraq war. According to the Telegraph, such a damning verdict meant their names were to be entered into a symbolic “Register of War Criminals.”

Shortly after the Iraq war was launched, then-U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan publicly admitted the invasion was illegal and a complete breach of the U.N. Charter. In the days leading up to the invasion, France, Germany, and Russia made a joint declaration stating they would not allow passage of a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing an invasion of Iraq. In other words, the Iraq war had no legal basis.

There are only two ways a country can launch a war against another. One is in self-defense. The other is with authorization from the U.N. Neither of these requirements were satisfied, and the result of this criminal act should shock us to the core.

At the end of May, the Washington D.C.-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) released a study concluding that the death toll from the American-led “War on Terror” could be as high as two million since the years following the 9/11 attacks — and that over one million of these deaths took place within Iraq. Even if one took into account those killed by enemy forces, PSR found that despite “all the inaccuracies…the answers still allowed for the conclusion that approximately one-third of all victims of violence had been directly killed by the occupation forces.” [emphasis added]

In its totality, the Bush administration did a lot more than simply rain bombs down on an innocent civilian population in contravention of international law. As early as May 2003, the U.S. made the single largest policy blunder of the decade by deciding to completely disband Iraq’s police and military, putting close to 400,000 servicemen out of jobs. As TIME has explained, the effects of this decision alone are still affecting the world to this day:

“It’s a jarring reminder of how a key decision made long ago is complicating U.S. efforts to fight ISIS and restore some semblance of stability to Iraq. Instead of giving Iraq a fresh start with a new army, it helped create a vacuum that ISIS has filled. Anthony Zinni, a retired Marine general and chief of U.S. Central Command from 1997 to 2000, said keeping the Iraqi army intact was always part of U.S. strategy. ‘The plan was that the army would be the foundation of rebuilding the Iraqi military,’ he says. ‘Many of the Sunnis who were chased out ended up on the other side and are probably ISIS fighters and leaders now.’ One expert estimates that more than 25 of ISIS’s top 40 leaders once served in the Iraqi military.”

In summary, the Bush administration invaded a sovereign nation without a legal basis, a decision that killed over one million people (one-third of that total was caused directly by American forces) and helped fuel the rise of ISIS and extremism in general.

It is mind-boggling that George W. Bush has not only been hailed as some sort of anti-Trump warrior recently but that countries who don’t engage in this sort of behavior (think North Korea, Iran, and Syria) are universally branded as unstable risks to global security. It’s as if Bush’s illegal wars are now forgotten about by the media because he has become vocal against Donald Trump.


According to AlterNet, Benjamin Ferencz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg trials who successfully convicted 22 Nazi officers for their role in killing more than one million people once said a “prima facie case can be made that the United States is guilty of the supreme crime against humanity, that being an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.”

Ferencz’s words directly referenced international legal doctrine. Specifically, it was the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg that stated:

“[T]o initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

Donald J. Trump may be one evil, twisted, and dangerous man. But if we want to send a message to him that there are limits to what one president can do, we should surely start with Bush and Obama before him, both of whom were found to have been guilty of some of the worst crimes imaginable.

As the Guardian explained:

“And he [Bush] caused far more harm to the country and planet than Trump has so far, and maybe ever will. It was under Bush that America invaded Iraq, murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians, and destabilized the Middle East so thoroughly that it may take the entire 21st century to recover.

“More than 4,000 American soldiers died. He stocked his cabinet with warmongering neoconservatives far more cunning and apocalyptic in outlook than any of the amateurs who populate Trump’s gang. These were men who dreamed of civilization-annihilating wars and found a president willing to transform their dreams into crackling reality.

“The blood on Bush’s hands will never dry. Under the guise of spreading democracy, his administration brought suffering to the world and strangled civil liberties at home.”
As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. (T)he worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Ezra Taft Benson

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby skmo » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:18 am

Silver wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:23 pm
I voted for Darrell Castle so your comment about women makes no sense, brian...

I win. I always win.
Win? Win what? Your candidate received 0.15% of the vote, which is even less than a third of what that Utah whoever-he-is got, so in terms of viability you didn't win a gold sticky star for your effort. Maybe a silver (fittingly.)

What is it that you won? The right to jump up and down and say "Look at me! I senselessly wasted my vote on someone who had zero point zero zero zero percent chance of winning so I could claim a moral high ground that doesn't actually exist anywhere except in my own devious little twisted mind!"
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Governments don’t live together, people live together. With governments you don’t always get a fair word or a fair fight. Well I’ve come here to give you either one - Or get either one from you.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:35 pm

As long as American troops are in Syria under their current mission then the CIC is a war criminal. It was bad when Obama and Hillary went in. It is bad -- actually worse -- for Trump to leave US soldiers in Syria. Trump, as everyone except for his diehard supporters will remember, campaigned against such imperialistic misadventures. Selective amnesia is such a pitiful disease.

The Marmalade, surrounded as he is by the CFR and mad dog warmongers, is killing innocent brown people in the name of American people. This is a bigger tragedy than the JFK assassination. Jeff Sessions can't arrest Hillary because then he'd have to arrest his own boss, Mr. Tangerine himself.

You will find videos at the link below. The words from the article alone though should be able to convince everyone. Plain and simple truth.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-2 ... syrian-war

In Shocking, Viral Interview, Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War

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Oct 28, 2017 3:23 PM

A television interview of a top Qatari official confessing the truth behind the origins of the war in Syria is going viral across Arabic social media during the same week a leaked top secret NSA document was published which confirms that the armed opposition in Syria was under the direct command of foreign governments from the early years of the conflict.

And according to a well-known Syria analyst and economic adviser with close contacts in the Syrian government, the explosive interview constitutes a high level "public admission to collusion and coordination between four countries to destabilize an independent state, [including] possible support for Nusra/al-Qaeda." Importantly, "this admission will help build case for what Damascus sees as an attack on its security & sovereignty. It will form basis for compensation claims."



A 2013 London press conference: Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr Al Thani with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. A 2014 Hillary Clinton email confirmed Qatar as a state-sponsor of ISIS during that same time period.

As the war in Syria continues slowly winding down, it seems new source material comes out on an almost a weekly basis in the form of testimonials of top officials involved in destabilizing Syria, and even occasional leaked emails and documents which further detail covert regime change operations against the Assad government. Though much of this content serves to confirm what has already long been known by those who have never accepted the simplistic propaganda which has dominated mainstream media, details continue to fall in place, providing future historians with a clearer picture of the true nature of the war.

This process of clarity has been aided - as predicted - by the continued infighting among Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) former allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with each side accusing the other of funding Islamic State and al-Qaeda terrorists (ironically, both true). Increasingly, the world watches as more dirty laundry is aired and the GCC implodes after years of nearly all the gulf monarchies funding jihadist movements in places like Syria, Iraq, and Libya.

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Since 2013 The Intercept (+WaPo?) hid NSA docs showing Saudi ordering 'rebel' attacks on Damascus. Now released. https://theintercept.com/2017/10/24/syr ... nce-assad/
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NSA Document Says Saudi Prince Directly Ordered Coordinated Attack By Syrian Rebels On Damascus
“Light up Damascus," the Saudi prince told Syrian rebels, as they grew increasingly reliant on foreign support.
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The top Qatari official is no less than former Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani, who oversaw Syria operations on behalf of Qatar until 2013 (also as foreign minister), and is seen below with then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in this Jan. 2010 photo (as a reminder, Qatar's 2022 World Cup Committee donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation in 2014).

In an interview with Qatari TV Wednesday, bin Jaber al-Thani revealed that his country, alongside Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States, began shipping weapons to jihadists from the very moment events "first started" (in 2011).

Al-Thani even likened the covert operation to "hunting prey" - the prey being President Assad and his supporters - "prey" which he admits got away (as Assad is still in power; he used a Gulf Arabic dialect word, "al-sayda", which implies hunting animals or prey for sport). Though Thani denied credible allegations of support for ISIS, the former prime minister's words implied direct Gulf and US support for al-Qaeda in Syria (al-Nusra Front) from the earliest years of the war, and even said Qatar has "full documents" and records proving that the war was planned to effect regime change.

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According to Zero Hedge's translation, al-Thani said while acknowledging Gulf nations were arming jihadists in Syria with the approval and support of US and Turkey: "I don't want to go into details but we have full documents about us taking charge [in Syria]." He claimed that both Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah (who reigned until his death in 2015) and the United States placed Qatar in a lead role concerning covert operations to execute the proxy war.

The former prime minister's comments, while very revealing, were intended as a defense and excuse of Qatar's support for terrorism, and as a critique of the US and Saudi Arabia for essentially leaving Qatar "holding the bag" in terms of the war against Assad. Al-Thani explained that Qatar continued its financing of armed insurgents in Syria while other countries eventually wound down large-scale support, which is why he lashed out at the US and the Saudis, who initially "were with us in the same trench."

In a previous US television interview which was vastly underreported, al-Thani told Charlie Rose when asked about allegations of Qatar's support for terrorism that, "in Syria, everybody did mistakes, including your country." And said that when the war began in Syria, "all of use worked through two operation rooms: one in Jordan and one in Turkey."

Below is the key section of Wednesday's interview, translated and subtitled by @Walid970721. Zero Hedge has reviewed and confirmed the translation, however, as the original rush translator has acknowledged, al-Thani doesn't say "lady" but "prey" ["al-sayda"]- as in both Assad and Syrians were being hunted by the outside countries.


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The partial English transcript is as follows:

"When the events first started in Syria I went to Saudi Arabia and met with King Abdullah. I did that on the instructions of his highness the prince, my father. He [Abdullah] said we are behind you. You go ahead with this plan and we will coordinate but you should be in charge. I won’t get into details but we have full documents and anything that was sent [to Syria] would go to Turkey and was in coordination with the US forces and everything was distributed via the Turks and the US forces. And us and everyone else was involved, the military people. There may have been mistakes and support was given to the wrong faction... Maybe there was a relationship with Nusra, its possible but I myself don’t know about this… we were fighting over the prey ["al-sayda"] and now the prey is gone and we are still fighting... and now Bashar is still there. You [US and Saudi Arabia] were with us in the same trench... I have no objection to one changing if he finds that he was wrong, but at least inform your partner… for example leave Bashar [al-Assad] or do this or that, but the situation that has been created now will never allow any progress in the GCC [Gulf Cooperation Council], or any progress on anything if we continue to openly fight."

As is now well-known, the CIA was directly involved in leading regime change efforts in Syria with allied gulf partners, as leaked and declassified US intelligence memos confirm. The US government understood in real time that Gulf and West-supplied advanced weaponry was going to al-Qaeda and ISIS, despite official claims of arming so-called "moderate" rebels. For example, a leaked 2014 intelligence memo sent to Hillary Clinton acknowledged Qatari and Saudi support for ISIS.

The email stated in direct and unambiguous language that:

"the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region."

Furthermore, one day before Prime Minister Thani's interview, The Intercept released a new top-secret NSA document unearthed from leaked intelligence files provided by Edward Snowden which show in stunning clarity that the armed opposition in Syria was under the direct command of foreign governments from the early years of the war which has now claimed half a million lives.

The newly released NSA document confirms that a 2013 insurgent attack with advanced surface-to-surface rockets upon civilian areas of Damascus, including Damascus International Airport, was directly supplied and commanded by Saudi Arabia with full prior awareness of US intelligence. As the former Qatari prime minister now also confirms, both the Saudis and US government staffed "operations rooms" overseeing such heinous attacks during the time period of the 2013 Damascus airport attack.

No doubt there remains a massive trove of damning documentary evidence which will continue to trickle out in the coming months and years. At the very least, the continuing Qatari-Saudi diplomatic war will bear more fruit as each side builds a case against the other with charges of supporting terrorism. And as we can see from this latest Qatari TV interview, the United States itself will not be spared in this new open season of airing dirty laundry as old allies turn on each other.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby simpleton » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:18 am

Here is a timeline that (imo) goes along with all of the above. But in it are a few items of what I think are of great importance that we as "Lds" skip over...

3rd Nephi 16:

And blessed are the Gentiles, (which we love to claim as being us , and it is correct) because of their belief in me, in and of the Holy Ghost, which witnesses unto them of me and of the Father.

7 Behold, because of their ( us gentiles) belief in me, saith the Father, and because of the unbelief of you, ( indians) O house of Israel, in the latter day shall the truth come unto the Gentiles, ( us gentiles) that the fulness of these things shall be made known unto them.( Joseph Smith time)

8 But wo, saith the Father, unto the unbelieving of the Gentiles- ( you could say these "unbelieving" gentiles are the ones that do not accept the truth/ gospel)for notwithstanding they ( gentiles from europe) have come forth upon the face of this land, and have scattered my people ( indians) who are of the house of Israel; and my people ( indians)who are of the house of Israel have been cast out from among them, and have been trodden under feet by them; ( and that most assuredly has happened with the American indians)

9 And because of the mercies of the Father unto the Gentiles, and also the judgments of the Father upon my people who are of the house of Israel, verily, verily, I say unto you, that after all this, and I have caused my people who are of the house of Israel to be smitten, and to be afflicted, and to be slain, and to be cast out from among them, and to become hated by them, and to become a hiss and a byword among them— ( again exactly what has happened to the lamanites/indians)

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel,( ok now here is the tricky part or rather the part that we refuse to think that it is us, as we are so lifted up in pride that we do not think that it is us LDS that Christ is referring to, but nobody else qualifies) and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, ( a perfect description of us as LDS and us as a nation today)and above all the people of the whole earth, (again us) and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; ( again Christ describes us perfectly) and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, ( now how can Christ be referring to "those other "unbelieving" gentiles when you have to have the fulness of the gospel to be able to reject it) behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, ( ahhhhh " repent and return" , to return to something or someplace where you have already been) saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

14 And I will not suffer my people, who are of the house of Israel, to go through among them, and tread them down, saith the Father.

15 But if they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, ( so we as gentiles at one time had that "Savor" but lose it) which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, thus hath the Father commanded me—that I should give unto this people this land for their inheritance.( so this land does not belong to us gentiles only if we become numbered with Isreal or the ones that Christ and/or the Father gives, or rather gave this land to )

17 And then the words of the prophet Isaiah shall be fulfilled, which say:

18 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing, for they shall see eye to eye when the Lord shall bring again Zion.

19 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

20 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm ( "ARM" another reference to this servant that saves Isreal)in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God....

And also should take this into consideration:

"The whole government is gone; it is as weak as water. I heard Joseph Smith say nearly thirty years ago, “They shall have mobbings to their hearts’ content, if they do not redress the wrongs of the Latter-day Saints.” Mobs will not decrease but will increase until the whole government becomes a mob, and eventually it will be State against State, city against city, neighborhood against neighborhood… (Brigham Young, Deseret News, Vol. 9, p. 2, May 1, 1861.

But look to this first:...

17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?....


23 Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.

24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord....

"By their fruits ye shall know them"...

21Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

22Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

23But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.

24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

25Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

26For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

27As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.

28They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

29Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

30A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

31The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?.....

Actually a person could quote scripture all the day long and what good does it do? seemingly nothing, as we mostly think it applies to " them" not us....

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Durzan » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:59 am

Actually we are seeing this in the church now... and it is resulting in an increasing number of people who are leaving the church.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:50 am

The Marmalade doesn't always have to be the one who betrays America. Sometimes the Congress will do that for him.

http://news.antiwar.com/2017/11/01/hous ... -legality/

House Rules Committee Guts Challenge to Yemen War Legality
House Leadership Will Only Accept Non-Binding 'Compromise' Vote
Jason Ditz Posted on November 1, 2017

House Concurrent Resolution 81 is effectively dead, following a surprise bit of sleight of hand by the House Rules Committee. The resolution demanded an end to US involvement in the Saudi invasion of Yemen, on the grounds that such involvement was never authorized under the War Powers Act.

Under the War Powers Act, any Congressman is able to bring such a legal challenge, and is guaranteed a floor vote on the matter. The H.Con.Res. 81 challenge was offered in early October, and delayed until November 2.

November 1 rolled around, however, and House leadership quickly forced through a Rules Committee vote which changed the rules on H.Con.Res. 81, stripping it of its privileged status (which would have guaranteed a floor vote). Though the War Powers Act guarantees such a resolution privilege, the Rules Committee claimed Yemen doesn’t rise to the level of the War Powers Act applying.

One legislative aide was quick to bash the move, saying it was in “defiance of the plain text of the War Powers Resolution,” and warning that it set a “very dangerous precedent” for future challenges to illegal wars.

Instead of H.Con.Res. 81, the House leadership is going to allow an alternative “compromise” resolution on Yemen. This will allow debate on whether America’s involvement in the Yemen War is legal, but the vote will be non-binding.

Amid mounting unauthorized US wars around the world, H.Con.Res. 81 was the biggest attempt to enforce the War Powers Act to limit such conflicts. While the Rules Committee technically only stopped a single challenge this way, and the War Powers Act remains on the books, the success of this sort of chicanery means that the Congressional leadership can do the exact same thing to any future challenges.

A joint statement on the move against H.Con.Res. 81 is available here.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:10 pm

Now the first anniversary of that dark day in America when the Orange Puppet was elected by Americans long asleep at the wheel is almost upon us. What a tragedy it's turned out to be.

Today's update comes from that friendly and inviting country of Saudi Arabia where a massive restructuring of leadership is underway.

Yeah, good ol' Marmalade sells those cutthroats a bunch of expensive weapons and does the sword dance with them. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, pretty little pampered princes are dying.

Zerohedge has the news:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-0 ... -crackdown

A really great comment follows the article. It asks two simple questions. Of course, none of the Trumpsters here have the integrity to answer the questions:

Bes Nov 6, 2017 10:31 AM

now remind me which side of the saudi swamp does Trump hold orbs with?

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another way to put it is which side of wahhabism and sharia is going to Make America Great Again?

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just wondering. ps. don't forget Trump's love affair with Zionism...... : )
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby justkeepswimming » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:42 pm

Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?
Silver wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:08 am
Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby AgaetisTakk » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:10 pm

This didn't age well. Looks like you need to polish up the ole tin hat.
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I am still thinking there is a good chance the economy can collapse in 2 months time.
Then there is:.....Antifa Plans Nationwide Anarchy On November 4th in USA.
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http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go& ... n-nov-4%2F
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:58 pm

justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:42 pm
Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?
Silver wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:08 am
Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?
I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.
As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. (T)he worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Ezra Taft Benson

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby justkeepswimming » Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:56 pm

I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.
Silver wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:58 pm
justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:42 pm
Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?
Silver wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:08 am
Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?
I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:28 pm

justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:56 pm
I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.
Silver wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:58 pm
justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:42 pm
Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?
Silver wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:08 am
Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?
I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.
Another apostate who, having left, can't leave the church alone. Yawn.
As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. (T)he worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Ezra Taft Benson

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby justkeepswimming » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:41 pm

ok, let me start over w/o the comparison to JS. I'm not an apostate but I was curious if you could/would look past the same behavior of someone on 'your side.'

Are you equally critical of all politicians or just the guys on the other side?

What I'm getting is summed up in this article, http://www.dailywire.com/news/22571/wat ... exit-modal

I have a hard time taking someone serious when they talk politics if they only attack the guy on the 'wrong side' but ignore (read condone) the same behavior if done by their guy.


Silver wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:28 pm
justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:56 pm
I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.
Silver wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:58 pm
justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:42 pm
Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?
I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.
Another apostate who, having left, can't leave the church alone. Yawn.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:06 pm

justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:41 pm
ok, let me start over w/o the comparison to JS. I'm not an apostate but I was curious if you could/would look past the same behavior of someone on 'your side.'

Are you equally critical of all politicians or just the guys on the other side?

What I'm getting is summed up in this article, http://www.dailywire.com/news/22571/wat ... exit-modal

I have a hard time taking someone serious when they talk politics if they only attack the guy on the 'wrong side' but ignore (read condone) the same behavior if done by their guy.


Silver wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:28 pm
justkeepswimming wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:56 pm
I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.
Silver wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:58 pm


I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.
Another apostate who, having left, can't leave the church alone. Yawn.
Then perhaps you haven't seen viewtopic.php?f=61&t=44250&p=818818#p818818
Or viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46957&p=818690#p818413
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