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Re: Less than two months...

Postby BeNotDeceived » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:13 am

mirkwood wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:23 am
I spent several weeks in Germany, Italy and Holland this spring. It was interesting how many citizens of those countries brought up Trump and Obama when they found out we were Americans. With one exception they all expressed hatred of Obama and excitement with Trump. They really hated Obama.
Yet Obama worked harder for them than he did for us, but maybe he went to French Polynesia to work on his memoirs and may become one of the first seasteaders, as that's where they're looking to set-up shop. Ironically the only language they recognize is English, at least on their Internet forum.

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Re: Less than two months... US dollar demise

Postby Spaced_Out » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:03 am

Durzan wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:08 am
Spaced_Out wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:49 pm
There are many prophecies out there that the US dollar becomes as week as water, if one considers the debt over $20T or 105% for GDP and a budget deficit of over $400bn .- the interest alone is going to sink the US gov.

Now many countries are ditching the US dollar, if the dollar looses it status as the reserve currency then then all the prophecies get played out in front of our eyes.

Suddenly, "De-Dollarization" Is A Thing
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-1 ... tion-thing
Guess who most of that debt is owed to... US Citizens.
I think US citizens is only a quarter with another quarter owned by US companies the reaming half is foreign governments.

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Re: Less than two months... US dollar demise

Postby Silver » Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:59 am

Spaced_Out wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:03 am
Durzan wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:08 am
Spaced_Out wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:49 pm
There are many prophecies out there that the US dollar becomes as week as water, if one considers the debt over $20T or 105% for GDP and a budget deficit of over $400bn .- the interest alone is going to sink the US gov.

Now many countries are ditching the US dollar, if the dollar looses it status as the reserve currency then then all the prophecies get played out in front of our eyes.

Suddenly, "De-Dollarization" Is A Thing
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-1 ... tion-thing
Guess who most of that debt is owed to... US Citizens.
I think US citizens is only a quarter with another quarter owned by US companies the remaining half is foreign governments.
Durzan, please read the entire article at the link. (I'm sharing just a portion.) It explains why "owing the debt to ourselves" is not really true, nor is it a sound principle.

https://mises.org/library/repudiating-national-debt

"Before the Reagan era, conservatives were clear about how they felt about deficits and the public debt: a balanced budget was good, and deficits and the public debt were bad, piled up by free-spending Keynesians and socialists, who absurdly proclaimed that there was nothing wrong or onerous about the public debt. In the famous words of the left-Keynesian apostle of "functional finance," Professor Abba Lernr, there is nothing wrong with the public debt because "we owe it to ourselves." In those days, at least, conservatives were astute enough to realize that it made an enormous amount of difference whether — slicing through the obfuscatory collective nouns — one is a member of the "we" (the burdened taxpayer) or of the "ourselves" (those living off the proceeds of taxation).

Since Reagan, however, intellectual-political life has gone topsy-turvy. Conservatives and allegedly "free-market" economists have turned handsprings trying to find new reasons why "deficits don't matter," why we should all relax and enjoy the process. Perhaps the most absurd argument of Reaganomists was that we should not worry about growing public debt because it is being matched on the federal balance sheet by an expansion of public "assets." Here was a new twist on free-market macroeconomics: things are going well because the value of government assets is rising! In that case, why not have the government nationalize all assets outright? Reaganomists, indeed, came up with every conceivable argument for the public debt except the phrase of Abba Lerner, and I am convinced that they did not recycle that phrase because it would be difficult to sustain with a straight face at a time when foreign ownership of the national debt is skyrocketing. Even apart from foreign ownership, it is far more difficult to sustain the Lerner thesis than before; in the late 1930s, when Lerner enunciated his thesis, total federal interest payments on the public debt were $1 billion; now they have zoomed to $200 billion, the third-largest item in the federal budget, after the military and Social Security: the "we" are looking ever shabbier compared to the "ourselves."

To think sensibly about the public debt, we first have to go back to first principles and consider debt in general. Put simply, a credit transaction occurs when C, the creditor, transfers a sum of money (say $1,000) to D, the debtor, in exchange for a promise that D will repay C in a year's time the principal plus interest. If the agreed interest rate on the transaction is 10 percent, then the debtor obligates himself to pay in a year's time $1,100 to the creditor. This repayment completes the transaction, which in contrast to a regular sale, takes place over time.

So far, it is clear that there is nothing "wrong" with private debt. As with any private trade or exchange on the market, both parties to the exchange benefit, and no one loses. But suppose that the debtor is foolish, gets himself in over his head, and then finds that he can't repay the sum he had agreed on? This, of course is a risk incurred by debt, and the debtor had better keep his debts down to what he can surely repay. But this is not a problem of debt alone. Any consumer may spend foolishly; a man may blow his entire paycheck on an expensive trinket and then find that he can't feed his family. So consumer foolishness is hardly a problem confined to debt alone. But there is one crucial difference: if a man gets in over his head and he can't pay, the creditor suffers too, because the debtor has failed to return the creditor's property. In a profound sense, the debtor who fails to repay the $1,100 owed to the creditor has stolen property that belongs to the creditor; we have here not simply a civil debt, but a tort, an aggression against another's property." (close quote)
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby skmo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:04 am

mirkwood wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:23 am
I spent several weeks in Germany, Italy and Holland this spring. It was interesting how many citizens of those countries brought up Trump and Obama when they found out we were Americans. With one exception they all expressed hatred of Obama and excitement with Trump. They really hated Obama.
I can believe that. The U.S. Media is always going to show the leftist view of things no matter where they are, but it doesn't surprise me that there are still people around the world who realize we're still, at least to some degree, the USofA. The good still comes with the bad.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby skmo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:15 am

Silver wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:35 pm
For those who want to pretend that Trump is somehow better than Hillary:
I don't pretend it: I proclaim it loudly as an article of faith for me. This will still be prefaced with how poorly I thought of (and still mainly think of) Trump, but waking up finding out the hildabeast lost is still a wildly wonderful feeling.

Waking up Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2016 and turning on my computer was like being in the ebola section of the hospital in Kinshasa and finding out the fever you have is actually food poisoning. You know you're still going to vomit and probably have diarrhea, but you're not going to bleed out of every bodily opening and die a crushing, other-worldly painful death within a week.

This is still worth watching:
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Spaced_Out » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:10 am

skmo wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:15 am
Silver wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:35 pm
For those who want to pretend that Trump is somehow better than Hillary:
I don't pretend it: I proclaim it loudly as an article of faith for me. This will still be prefaced with how poorly I thought of (and still mainly think of) Trump, but waking up finding out the hildabeast lost is still a wildly wonderful feeling.

Waking up Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2016 and turning on my computer was like being in the ebola section of the hospital in Kinshasa and finding out the fever you have is actually food poisoning. You know you're still going to vomit and probably have diarrhea, but you're not going to bleed out of every bodily opening and die a crushing, other-worldly painful death within a week.

This is still worth watching:
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That vid is like people saying nothing is going to happen and then will be eating their words....

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:19 am

Do you Trump supporters remember that auspicious day when you entered the polling booth, pulled the curtain shut behind you and with a prayer in your mind, pushed the button for President Jared Kushner? It was a thrilling day for you, I'm sure, especially knowing how George Soros gave Kushner over $200 million. What reverence, what joy must have filled your heart that day knowing you had gone full Gadianton. (Hint for the rest of you: Never go full Gadianton.)

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:39 am

Because Gadiantons always stick together.

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Tillerson, Mattis, Mnuchin forge 'suicide pact' in the event Trump wants one of them gone: Report
by Melissa Quinn | Oct 4, 2017, 4:34 PM


Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin reportedly have forged a "suicide pact" in which all three members of President Trump's Cabinet would leave if one of them becomes a target of the president.

News of the agreement surfaced amid renewed questions about Tillerson's future in the administration.

The secretary of state has frequently clashed with Trump, and NBC News reported Wednesday that Tillerson threatened to resign in July after the president's controversial speech to the Boy Scouts.

Tillerson, who served as national president of the Boy Scouts from 2010 to 2012, was said to be upset with Trump's speech, which many criticized as too political. After the address, the secretary of state reportedly threatened not to return to Washington from his son's wedding in Texas, but Mattis and then-Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly talked him out of it. Kelly is now White House chief of staff.

A U.S. official told BuzzFeed that Tillerson would likely remain in the administration because of his agreement with Mnuchin and Mattis.

Tillerson sought to quiet any rumors about an impending resignation Wednesday morning, saying he has never considered leaving his post.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:40 am

Because Trump is a master negotiator and knows how to assemble the best team EVAH!!! And he did it bigly.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-0 ... mp-deepens

In summary, the list of senior administration officials that have been shown the door is already disconcertingly long. The list includes:

Tom Price
Sebastian Gorka
Steve Bannon
Anthony Scaramucci
Reince Priebus
Sean Spicer
Michael Dubke
Walter Shaub
James Comey
Michael Flynn
Sally Yates
Preet Bharara
Katie Walsh
Mark Corralo
Michael Short

… Will Tillersons’ be the next name added to this list? Or will this pass, much like the rumors that Trump intended to get rid of Jeff Sessions only to have his mind changed in the last moment? Or will Tillerson invoke the "suicide pact" he reportedly made with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Secretary of Defense James Mattis?
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Re: Less than two months... US dollar demise

Postby skmo » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:42 am

Spaced_Out wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:03 am
I think US citizens is only a quarter with another quarter owned by US companies the reaming half is foreign governments.
Foreign holdings in the US Debt as of 2014 was 34% of the total overall debt.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby skmo » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:54 am

Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:40 am
In summary, the list of senior administration officials that have been shown the door is already disconcertingly long. The list includes:

Tom Price
Sebastian Gorka
Steve Bannon
Anthony Scaramucci
Reince Priebus
Sean Spicer
Michael Dubke
Walter Shaub
James Comey
Michael Flynn
Sally Yates
Preet Bharara
Katie Walsh
Mark Corralo
Michael Short
You insinuate that Trump is every bit as bad as the hildabeast. Answer me this: How many people on that list have been killed in a "robbery" when the robber's didn't actually take anything of value from the victim like happened with Seth Rich? How many committed suicide though none of their families or friends knew they were depressed?
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:17 am

Yeah, what we really need is a spook running the State Department. The mask is off and Trump supporters have no integrity.

As for the quaint little non-conundrum proposed above, the answer is, always, don't vote for the lesser of two evils. Let me see...do I want to follow Nehor or Korihor? Hmmm....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-0 ... tary-state

Will CIA Director Mike Pompeo Replace Rex Tillerson As Secretary Of State?

by Tyler Durden
Oct 6, 2017 9:07 AM

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson rushed to an impromptu meeting at the White House yesterday to discuss "a path forward" with White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and Defense Secretary James Mattis as rumors swirled that President Donald Trump - infuriated by reports that Tillerson called him a "fudging moron" - is weighing whether to fire the former ExxonMobil CEO. And in the latest installation in the ongoing leakfest over Tillerson's purported "disloyalty," Axios is reporting that the White House already has a candidate in mind to replace Tillerson, and surprisingly it's not the "logical" choice of UN Ambassador Nikki Haley.

Trump advisers and allies are floating the idea of replacing Tillerson with CIA Director Mike Pompeo, reasoning that he's already familiar with the situation room, and could feasibly make the switch without much of a disruption.

Axios reports that Trump is comfortable with Pompeo and has sought his advice on topics ranging from immigration to dealing with Congress. Pompeo personally delivers the President's Daily Brief, making him one of the few people Trump spends a great deal of time with on a daily basis. Pompeo is also reportedly one of the few in the administration who knows how to convey tough news to the president, and how to push back without turning off Trump. It's also believed that Pompeo, formerly a Congressman from Kansas, would accept the job. Trump reportedly doesn't see Pompeo as a "showboat", which is Trump-speak for a--hole.

But perhaps most importantly, Axios reports that Pompeo possess a "credibility" that Tillerson lacks. It's widely known by world leaders that Pompeo is a part of the Trump "inner circle". Tillerson, meanwhile, has always been viewed as an outsider in the administration. Sources tell Axios that Trump knows that a reshuffle would bring trigger an avalanche of bad press - something that Kelly is trying hard to avoid. After the rash of high-profile firings this year, Kelly is hoping to put off further dismissals until at least next year.

Axios claims the relationship between Trump and Tillerson is broken beyond repair, due largely to the president's perception that Tillerson didn't try hard enough to blunt "moron-gate" (we guess holding an impromptu press conference specifically to deny the story and praise the president as "smart" just didn't cut it). Regardless of whether Tillerson actually said it, the lackluster response was, in the end, more damning than the alleged act of disloyalty.

Furthermore, Trump reportely seethed with rage after seeing media coverage on Wednesday and Thursday focusing on the Tillerson scandal, overshadowing his own "successful" trip to meet with and console victims of the Las Vegas shooting.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby skmo » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:48 am

Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:17 am
Yeah, what we really need is a spook running the State Department. The mask is off and Trump supporters have no integrity.
Not only is that statement wildly over-simplified, it's just plain arrogant and wrong. People have different ideas they look at, they see things from a vastly different viewpoint depending on their experiences. I was not a Trump supporter clear up until the morning of November 9, 2016, at which time it became my duty to support the democratically elected leader of our government. It doesn't mean I agree with him (I think he's quite foolish) but it does mean that he's due the respect the office gives him. You have to find some strange people who hated Obama more than I did, but while he was the President it was my duty to respect his office of authority.

Brigham Young was a big supporter of slavery and the inferiority of blacks. Does he have no integrity?

I have friends who are big Trump supporters. They may lack my perspective, (as I do theirs) and they may see different issues, but that doesn't mean they have no integrity. You're really being quite insulting to people by being so arrogant.

Your seething hatred of Trump, which I think is, surprisingly, even greater than my hatred of the hildabeast is your business, but if you feel you have to wave it around under people's noses, you're just making yourself look foolish. You provide good examples of things you disagree with him about. That's good.

Then you go off the deep end and slander people who don't hate as strongly a you do. It's a free country. You're allowed to make yourself look as foolish as you want. Do you think you'll convince anyone why your ideas are correct if you call them names if they don't believe the same way you do?
As for the quaint little non-conundrum proposed above, the answer is, always, don't vote for the lesser of two evils. Let me see...do I want to follow Nehor or Korihor? Hmmm....
You realistically only have two choices. You can choose to not vote (voting for Johnson or Castle or McMuffin or Stein is functionally the same as choosing to not vote) but the choice is going to be made with or without you.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:26 am

I just love how tap dancers can tap dance away reality.

It was Trump that nominated a bunch of CFR for his administration, not Obama, not Hillary, and not even me just so I could point out that Trump is surrounded by the CFR. (For the novices in the reading audience, CFR = Gadiantons.)

It is Trump that agreed to sell more weapons to the evil House of Saud, not me, Trump thereby condemning more innocent people to death in Yemen.

It is Trump who is considering which Gadianton to select for the next Federal Reserve head instead of abolishing that evil institution, a la Andrew Jackson, not me.

And so on...

Yet little ol' me is the one who gets attacked. Like I said, no integrity.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby skmo » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:29 am

Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:26 am
For the novices in the reading audience, CFR = Gadiantons.
I am amused how casually members here so blithely assign the title of "Gadianton" to groups they don't like. The CFR may or may not be Gads. The Fed may or may not be filled with Gads. The top leaders in the CIA, FBI, NSA, or BSA might be Gads, I have no idea. The Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission, Skull and Bones, the guy who holds the original KFC recipe, Bohemian Grove, Creators of South Park (although they come from Colorado, I don't believe it about them) Freemasons, Barry Manilow, the whole thing is something we have no real clue about.

Two things about the Gadianton Robbers, first: They're been around for thousands of years, and they were good at keeping secrets before Christ came. They're going to be almost perfect about it now, so there's a reason they're called secret societies. I've little doubt that some of the above groups would have members of a secret society among them, but I don't believe any of them would be an organized society of "Gadianton Robbers" as a whole group, as it would go against the whole 'secret' thing. Second: I'd be willing to bet there are many different groups, loosely allied but not necessarily always working together. Someone as simple as a portfolio manager knows the value and need to diversify, I think the father of lies would instruct his followers in doing that also.
Yet little ol' me is the one who gets attacked. Like I said, no integrity.
When someone tells me I'm acting foolishly, I don't figure it's an attack: I presume (unless they're a known enemy or idiot, I can sincerely say you're neither of those to me, and I would hope you don't consider me an enemy, though you're welcome to think I'm an idiot, I do at times) anyway, I presume they're trying to tell me something they think could be helpful for me to hear. I don't have to agree with them, but at least it gives me an outside perspective about how my actions are being viewed by others. I do value my own opinion more than anyone else's, but that doesn't mean I don't value others at all.

You have some very good, very valid points about Trump. Clearly I don't hate him as much as you do, but I've been one of his most vocal critics on these boards since he announced his (joking, we assumed) candidacy for President. However, your rabid method of attacks isn't going to get anyone to take your views any more seriously. I understand the vitriol you have for him, because I have it for the hildabeast.

However, you've got little case for denigrating others for their beliefs. No integrity? That's a fairly offensive thing to say about people just because they see things differently than you do. It means your opinion is the only one you believe to be valid. Hubris is not an attractive quality in a follower of Christ. Courage and strength in your convictions is fine, but to demean someone else because their opinion differs from yours is asinine. My own father is a very strong supporter of Trump, and if you want to try telling me my father has no integrity, well then you and I will have a serious problem. I think he's wrong, and I attribute it to the dramatically diminishing mental faculties I see him exhibiting (which saddens me greatly) but my father is a man who has healed with his Priesthood, he's commanded elements with his Priesthood in his day. He does not in any way lack for integrity.

I say again - your choice of words makes you look foolish.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Fiannan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:05 am

What Silver said: "Yet little ol' me is the one who gets attacked. Like I said, no integrity."

If he were a public official who liked Trump - what the media would say he said: "Yet little ol' me...no integrity."

I guess what bugs me is I really researched the tactics used by anti-Mormons in their literature years ago when I joined the Church. Now I see the media doing the same with Trump; and some people, even the more "elect," falling for it. Yes, I believe some of the people who attack Trump here in the forums are probably really nice people but for some reason have been convinced they should hate Trump.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Finrock » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:11 pm

skmo wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:29 am
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:26 am
For the novices in the reading audience, CFR = Gadiantons.
I am amused how casually members here so blithely assign the title of "Gadianton" to groups they don't like. The CFR may or may not be Gads. The Fed may or may not be filled with Gads. The top leaders in the CIA, FBI, NSA, or BSA might be Gads, I have no idea. The Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission, Skull and Bones, the guy who holds the original KFC recipe, Bohemian Grove, Creators of South Park (although they come from Colorado, I don't believe it about them) Freemasons, Barry Manilow, the whole thing is something we have no real clue about.

Two things about the Gadianton Robbers, first: They're been around for thousands of years, and they were good at keeping secrets before Christ came. They're going to be almost perfect about it now, so there's a reason they're called secret societies. I've little doubt that some of the above groups would have members of a secret society among them, but I don't believe any of them would be an organized society of "Gadianton Robbers" as a whole group, as it would go against the whole 'secret' thing. Second: I'd be willing to bet there are many different groups, loosely allied but not necessarily always working together. Someone as simple as a portfolio manager knows the value and need to diversify, I think the father of lies would instruct his followers in doing that also.
Yet little ol' me is the one who gets attacked. Like I said, no integrity.
When someone tells me I'm acting foolishly, I don't figure it's an attack: I presume (unless they're a known enemy or idiot, I can sincerely say you're neither of those to me, and I would hope you don't consider me an enemy, though you're welcome to think I'm an idiot, I do at times) anyway, I presume they're trying to tell me something they think could be helpful for me to hear. I don't have to agree with them, but at least it gives me an outside perspective about how my actions are being viewed by others. I do value my own opinion more than anyone else's, but that doesn't mean I don't value others at all.

You have some very good, very valid points about Trump. Clearly I don't hate him as much as you do, but I've been one of his most vocal critics on these boards since he announced his (joking, we assumed) candidacy for President. However, your rabid method of attacks isn't going to get anyone to take your views any more seriously. I understand the vitriol you have for him, because I have it for the hildabeast.

However, you've got little case for denigrating others for their beliefs. No integrity? That's a fairly offensive thing to say about people just because they see things differently than you do. It means your opinion is the only one you believe to be valid. Hubris is not an attractive quality in a follower of Christ. Courage and strength in your convictions is fine, but to demean someone else because their opinion differs from yours is asinine. My own father is a very strong supporter of Trump, and if you want to try telling me my father has no integrity, well then you and I will have a serious problem. I think he's wrong, and I attribute it to the dramatically diminishing mental faculties I see him exhibiting (which saddens me greatly) but my father is a man who has healed with his Priesthood, he's commanded elements with his Priesthood in his day. He does not in any way lack for integrity.

I say again - your choice of words makes you look foolish.
Silver is just trolling. His judgments, accusations, and opinion pieces are meaningless. Classic fallacious reasoning and trolling.

In other words, it means nothing to anyone to have this poster called Silver accuse one of being a murderer, or a Gadianton, or whatever.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 pm

Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:11 pm
Silver is just trolling. His judgments, accusations, and opinion pieces are meaningless. Classic fallacious reasoning and trolling.

In other words, it means nothing to anyone to have this poster called Silver accuse one of being a murderer, or a Gadianton, or whatever.

-Finrock
Et tu, Finrock? Thanks for the powerful counter-trolling laugh.

Except Trump really is surrounded by the CFR. And Trump really is selling weapons to the Saudis. And Trump really is allowing the Federal Reserve to make debt slaves out of us. But other than that I hear he's a great guy, low golf handicap and all that.

My, how the children of the covenant have learned to deny reality.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Finrock » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:47 pm

Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 pm
Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:11 pm
Silver is just trolling. His judgments, accusations, and opinion pieces are meaningless. Classic fallacious reasoning and trolling.

In other words, it means nothing to anyone to have this poster called Silver accuse one of being a murderer, or a Gadianton, or whatever.

-Finrock
Et tu, Finrock? Thanks for the powerful counter-trolling laugh.

Except Trump really is surrounded by the CFR. And Trump really is selling weapons to the Saudis. And Trump really is allowing the Federal Reserve to make debt slaves out of us. But other than that I hear he's a great guy, low golf handicap and all that.

My, how the children of the covenant have learned to deny reality.
It's just funny that people are worried about you calling them Gadiantons, or a murderer. Its so silly that its hard for me to believe that someone would be phased by such words from some dude/gal on the internet. Anyways, just letting people know that because Silver thinks they are a murderer or Gadianton, or whatever, means about zero in real life; its not worth responding to; it is valueless, useless, pointless, absurd, etc.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:12 pm

Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:47 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 pm
Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:11 pm
Silver is just trolling. His judgments, accusations, and opinion pieces are meaningless. Classic fallacious reasoning and trolling.

In other words, it means nothing to anyone to have this poster called Silver accuse one of being a murderer, or a Gadianton, or whatever.

-Finrock
Et tu, Finrock? Thanks for the powerful counter-trolling laugh.

Except Trump really is surrounded by the CFR. And Trump really is selling weapons to the Saudis. And Trump really is allowing the Federal Reserve to make debt slaves out of us. But other than that I hear he's a great guy, low golf handicap and all that.

My, how the children of the covenant have learned to deny reality.
It's just funny that people are worried about you calling them Gadiantons, or a murderer. Its so silly that its hard for me to believe that someone would be phased by such words from some dude/gal on the internet. Anyways, just letting people know that because Silver thinks they are a murderer or Gadianton, or whatever, means about zero in real life; its not worth responding to; it is valueless, useless, pointless, absurd, etc.

-Finrock
Of course, you realize how it makes me smile when you respond as above all the while telling people not to respond. Couldn't follow your own advice? LOL.

I also note that you're good at ignoring the factual charges against Trump. If it makes you feel better, I'll change my accusation against Trump. He's not a Gadianton obviously since he is alive now, but he is a part of the secret combination that Moroni warned us about in Ether.
As a prophet reveals the truth it divides the people. (T)he worldly either want to close the mouth of the prophet, or else act as if the prophet didn’t exist, rather than repent of their sins. Popularity is never a test of truth. Ezra Taft Benson

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Finrock » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:18 pm

Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:12 pm
Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:47 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 pm
Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:11 pm
Silver is just trolling. His judgments, accusations, and opinion pieces are meaningless. Classic fallacious reasoning and trolling.

In other words, it means nothing to anyone to have this poster called Silver accuse one of being a murderer, or a Gadianton, or whatever.

-Finrock
Et tu, Finrock? Thanks for the powerful counter-trolling laugh.

Except Trump really is surrounded by the CFR. And Trump really is selling weapons to the Saudis. And Trump really is allowing the Federal Reserve to make debt slaves out of us. But other than that I hear he's a great guy, low golf handicap and all that.

My, how the children of the covenant have learned to deny reality.
It's just funny that people are worried about you calling them Gadiantons, or a murderer. Its so silly that its hard for me to believe that someone would be phased by such words from some dude/gal on the internet. Anyways, just letting people know that because Silver thinks they are a murderer or Gadianton, or whatever, means about zero in real life; its not worth responding to; it is valueless, useless, pointless, absurd, etc.

-Finrock
Of course, you realize how it makes me smile when you respond as above all the while telling people not to respond. Couldn't follow your own advice? LOL.

I also note that you're good at ignoring the factual charges against Trump. If it makes you feel better, I'll change my accusation against Trump. He's not a Gadianton obviously since he is alive now, but he is a part of the secret combination that Moroni warned us about in Ether.
These posts aren't for you. They are for others. They are for identification and informational of who they are dealing with and speaking to and a reminder that what Silver thinks about them means nothing.

But, I don't really care what you do... :D

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:28 pm

Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:18 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:12 pm
Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:47 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 pm


Et tu, Finrock? Thanks for the powerful counter-trolling laugh.

Except Trump really is surrounded by the CFR. And Trump really is selling weapons to the Saudis. And Trump really is allowing the Federal Reserve to make debt slaves out of us. But other than that I hear he's a great guy, low golf handicap and all that.

My, how the children of the covenant have learned to deny reality.
It's just funny that people are worried about you calling them Gadiantons, or a murderer. Its so silly that its hard for me to believe that someone would be phased by such words from some dude/gal on the internet. Anyways, just letting people know that because Silver thinks they are a murderer or Gadianton, or whatever, means about zero in real life; its not worth responding to; it is valueless, useless, pointless, absurd, etc.

-Finrock
Of course, you realize how it makes me smile when you respond as above all the while telling people not to respond. Couldn't follow your own advice? LOL.

I also note that you're good at ignoring the factual charges against Trump. If it makes you feel better, I'll change my accusation against Trump. He's not a Gadianton obviously since he is alive now, but he is a part of the secret combination that Moroni warned us about in Ether.
These posts aren't for you. They are for others. They are for identification and informational of who they are dealing with and speaking to and a reminder that what Silver thinks about them means nothing.

But, I don't really care what you do... :D

-Finrock
Ha! You responded again. Thanks for being my penpal.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby brianj » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:08 pm

Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 pm
Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:11 pm
Silver is just trolling. His judgments, accusations, and opinion pieces are meaningless. Classic fallacious reasoning and trolling.

In other words, it means nothing to anyone to have this poster called Silver accuse one of being a murderer, or a Gadianton, or whatever.

-Finrock
Et tu, Finrock? Thanks for the powerful counter-trolling laugh.

Except Trump really is surrounded by the CFR. And Trump really is selling weapons to the Saudis. And Trump really is allowing the Federal Reserve to make debt slaves out of us. But other than that I hear he's a great guy, low golf handicap and all that.

My, how the children of the covenant have learned to deny reality.
It's too bad that angel Hillary wasn't elected and you didn't have the chance to let a woman rule over you, as you apparently think you are supposed to do after reading 2 Ne 13:12 and Isaiah 3:12.
And isn't it great that she was protected from punishment for her crimes so she could fight the Gaddiantons? If there's one sure way to identify who isn't a Gaddianton, its seeing who doesn't get held accountable for felonies.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:23 pm

brianj wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:08 pm
Silver wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:35 pm
Finrock wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:11 pm
Silver is just trolling. His judgments, accusations, and opinion pieces are meaningless. Classic fallacious reasoning and trolling.

In other words, it means nothing to anyone to have this poster called Silver accuse one of being a murderer, or a Gadianton, or whatever.

-Finrock
Et tu, Finrock? Thanks for the powerful counter-trolling laugh.

Except Trump really is surrounded by the CFR. And Trump really is selling weapons to the Saudis. And Trump really is allowing the Federal Reserve to make debt slaves out of us. But other than that I hear he's a great guy, low golf handicap and all that.

My, how the children of the covenant have learned to deny reality.
It's too bad that angel Hillary wasn't elected and you didn't have the chance to let a woman rule over you, as you apparently think you are supposed to do after reading 2 Ne 13:12 and Isaiah 3:12.
And isn't it great that she was protected from punishment for her crimes so she could fight the Gaddiantons? If there's one sure way to identify who isn't a Gaddianton, its seeing who doesn't get held accountable for felonies.
You assume too much, brian. I voted for Darrell Castle so your comment about women makes no sense, brian. However, since you brought Hillary and the Gadiantons up, why is it your hero Trump hasn't had her arrested, brian? Would you please, brian, recall vicariously for the whole forum that Trump, the puppet of the same secret combination as Hillary, was happy to let the crowds at his campaign events chant "Lock her up!" However, as soon as the election was over brian, he said: "I don't want to hurt her. They're good people."

Here it is on the TEEVEE program 60 Minutes, from Trump's own mouth, brian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPK7uStv6zA

So there you have it, brian. Trump protecting Hillary, one Gadianton for another, brian. brian, the NSA has every email that Hillary stored on her infamous server. The NSA reports to Trump now, brian. Trump could direct Sessions to have Hillary arrested today if he wanted, brian. Today, brian. Who is protecting who, brian.

Really, brian, you embarrass yourself trying to debate me. Go wipe the egg off your face, brian.

I win. I always win.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby brianj » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:40 pm

I don't think you are winning in this case. Even ardent Clinton supporters know she committed felonies by sending classified information through outside systems and her private email server, but they deny it when confronted. These people, even though they know the truth deep down inside, would accuse Trump of being vindictive and political persecution. Then they would claim that all conservatives are the same.

I believe that Trump did the right thing in not pursuing criminal charges against Hillary. The election is over, he's the president, and he needs to take actions that may not be popular with his staunchest supporters to try and build some unity.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:57 pm

brianj wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:40 pm
I don't think you are winning in this case. Even ardent Clinton supporters know she committed felonies by sending classified information through outside systems and her private email server, but they deny it when confronted. These people, even though they know the truth deep down inside, would accuse Trump of being vindictive and political persecution. Then they would claim that all conservatives are the same.

I believe that Trump did the right thing in not pursuing criminal charges against Hillary. The election is over, he's the president, and he needs to take actions that may not be popular with his staunchest supporters to try and build some unity.
You're basically giving Trump an excuse to not enforce the law. It's hard so lets not do it. Is that your strategy?
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby brianj » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:50 pm

Silver wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:57 pm
brianj wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:40 pm
I don't think you are winning in this case. Even ardent Clinton supporters know she committed felonies by sending classified information through outside systems and her private email server, but they deny it when confronted. These people, even though they know the truth deep down inside, would accuse Trump of being vindictive and political persecution. Then they would claim that all conservatives are the same.

I believe that Trump did the right thing in not pursuing criminal charges against Hillary. The election is over, he's the president, and he needs to take actions that may not be popular with his staunchest supporters to try and build some unity.
You're basically giving Trump an excuse to not enforce the law. It's hard so lets not do it. Is that your strategy?
In essence, yes but no. Yes, in this one extremely limited case national interest is more important than the law. And no, it's not because enforcing the law is hard; it's because efforts to unify the nation are more important.

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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:42 am

Silver wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:07 pm
The list is not complete:
What do we have to show for it?
1. An administration full of NWO/CFR/warmongers/Gadiantons
2. A lifelong Washington insider and CFR member appointed to the Supreme Court
3. A discovery that the Marmalade prefers spastic early morning tweets instead of rational negotiations, such a contrast from the person his ghost writer described in the best-selling The Art of the Deal
4. Reneging on campaign promises like Mexico will pay for the wall and "Lock Her Up"
5. War and threats of war as far as the eye can see
6. Debt ceilings ignored and national debt skyrocketing
7. He's in love DACA Dreamers
8. Obamacare never got repealed
9. Mnuchin, the law-breaking Treasury Secretary, and Trump lied about Trump's tax reform
10. President Jared Kushner is sitting on a couple hundred million dollars from George Soros and the Trump supporters want us to pretend that the Marmalade is a conservative

11. Fight like a high school kid on Twitter. Marmalade is so mature and grown up.
There...11 things to prove that Trump is no better than Hillary. They're all crooked. Sure glad I didn't vote for evil.
I'm sure somehow the usual suspects on LDSFF will make this my fault.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-0 ... stop-cowen

After "Surreal" Feud Between Trump And Corker, "Tax Reform Is Dead. Full Stop": Cowen

by Tyler Durden
Oct 9, 2017 8:39 AM

While Wall Street appears to have ignored the latest political spat within the Republican party over the weekend, in which Donald Trump lashed out at outgoing Senator Bob Corker, while the latter compared the White House to "daycare for adults", and later warned Trump may launch World War III, this particular feud involving the president may last longer than just the usual 24-hour news cycle, and could have dire consequences for the market, which in recent days has repriced a more than 60% probability (according to Goldman) that Trump's tax reform will pass.

Well, according to Cowen analyst Chris Krueger, not so fast.

In a note released this morning, Krueger writes that "tax euphoria may break this week, with the Senate budget back to zero-margin on vote as President Trump, Sen. Bob Corker feud." And without a budget, "tax is dead. Full stop," Krueger writes.

Cowen now sees the margin for passing a budget in the Senate as more challenging than in the House, plus "radically different" documents will have to be merged and passed again.

Passing FY 2018 Senate budget has "some eerie parallels" to health care, as no Democrats will vote for the budget; Sen. Rand Paul is expected to vote no because it doesn’t cut spending fast enough; Sen. John McCain also sounds like a no as it doesn’t repeal sequester, which disproportionately hits the Pentagon.

That means GOP can only afford one more defection, with Corker, a deficit hawk, engaging in "one of the more surreal public correspondence exchanges in recent memory" days after saying Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly help keep U.S. from chaos.

"Either Trump realizes that Corker can sink the remainder of the Trump/GOP legislative effort and is upset by that reality, or he didn’t/doesn’t know and just made it a reality. Either way, we see ZERO upside for the budget process/tax reform in this Twitter tantrum with the policy downside limit-down"

Maybe not: because in the premarket on Monday, bank stocks sensitive to potential tax cuts, are once again rising, suggesting all is well: JPMorgan up 0.3%, BofA +0.3%, Morgan Stanley +0.8%. Or perhaps this is just one more example of a market that is now so bored with incremental news flow which has zero impact on risk assets, that it is simply yet another "shock which no longer shocks." Then again, as so many Wall Street analysts have warned, it is only a matter of time before one shock does finally shock the S&P, unleashing the spire of shocks, built of over years and years of non-resolution, and merely swept away under the rug with trillions in central bank liquidity injections.

Stated simpler, if indeed Trump tax reform is dead - again - a sharp market turnaround may be imminent.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Silver » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:38 am

Warmonger. An appropriate title for the Marmalade In Chief and ZeroHedge has finally applied it to Trump. Truth for the masses.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-0 ... nger-chief

Donald Trump: Warmonger-In-Chief?

Oct 9, 2017 10:15 PM
Authored by Antonius Aquinas via Acting-Man.com,

Cryptic Pronouncements
If a world conflagration, God forbid, should break out during the Trump Administration, its genesis will not be too hard to discover: the thin-skinned, immature, shallow, doofus who currently resides in the Oval Office!

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The commander-in-chief – a potential source of radiation?



This past week, the Donald has continued his bellicose talk with both veiled and explicit threats against purported American adversaries throughout the world. In a cryptic exchange with reporters during a dinner with military leaders, he quipped:

You guys know what this represents? Maybe it’s the calm before the storm. It could be the calm… before… the storm.*
A reporter asked if he meant Iran or Isis which the POTUS responded, “you’ll find out.” Instead of threatening supposed overseas foes with nuclear annihilation, none of whom have taken any concrete military action against the US, why not go after someone who has actually compromised the country’s security, namely Hillary Rodham Clinton!

While some dismissed the comments as typical Trumpian bluster, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders added further ominous overtones when questioned saying they were “extremely serious.” Later in the week, Trump continued to threaten tiny North Korea, this time in not so veiled terms:

“Presidents and their administrations have been talking to North Korea for 25 years, agreements made and massive amounts of money paid hasn’t worked, agreements violated before the ink was dry, making fools of U.S. negotiators. Sorry, but only one thing will work”.**
If war erupts either on the Korean Peninsula or in any other part of the globe that the U.S has wantonly poked its nose into, it can be safely assured that neither Trump nor any of the other “military leaders,” with whom he recently had dinner with will be in the midst of hostilities as the bombs and bullets are being cast about.

No, these laptop bombers will be in safe quarters far away from enemy lines, giving orders, making speeches, and praising the troops, while Congress will be hurriedly passing more “defense” funding legislation further lining the pockets of the military industrial complex.

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Too far removed from the battlefield…



Curtailing the Warmongers
The Warmonger-in-Chief, who has repeatedly bragged about America’s military prowess, had a chance to become a part of the organization he constantly gushes over during his youth at the time of the Vietnam War. Yet, he escaped military service, due to the machinations of his father, because of a mysterious foot/toe malady.

All those who avoided being conscripted into America’s disastrous imperial exercise in Southeast Asia during those years, whether it was from phony medical conditions, escaping to Canada or beyond, or going to jail, they did so for justifiable reasons.

The war was immoral, since Vietnam had taken no hostile action against the US and what made it worse, the government drafted thousands of America’s youth to fight it. It is reprehensible that those who got out of military service then are now at the forefront in advocating mass murder (war).

One resolution that would certainly curtail warmongering in the future would be that any legislator, president, cabinet officer, or ambassador who promotes military intervention abroad should be required to directly participate in field operations. This would quickly put the brakes on threatening talk from the likes of Trump and his crazed UN Ambassador, Nikki Haley.

A country’s leadership personally conducting military operations has a long tradition in Western history. During the era of the crusades, princes and kings led their retinues and forces into battle risking their own life and limb – such as the great Norman prince, Bohemond, whose courage, tenacity, and military acumen won the day for Christian forces at the battle of Antioch.



From left to right: Bohemond I of Antioch, Bohemond’s troops scaling the ramparts of Antioch in AD 1098, Bohemond’s mausoleum in Canosa di Puglia. Bohemond was the son of Rober Guiscard, the count of Apulia and Calabria. His real name was Mark Guiscard. He was a nicknamed Bohemond after a legendary giant – the name was given to him because he was an unusually tall and strong man, dwarfing those around him. Even for a crusader, Bohemond’s life was unusually colorful. [PT]



This venerable ideal can still be seen in Russia when recently one of its generals and two colonels lost their lives in the Syrian quagmire.*** When was the last time a US general has perished in active combat?

It is apparent that the current POTUS does not understand the catastrophic consequences of what his threats, if carried out, would lead to – death to millions, unimaginable destruction, and the end of civilization.



A brief history of US-North Korean relations in the 2000ds



Maybe, had he actually suffered through the horrors of combat or had been the victim of US aggression as the peoples of North Korea, Vietnam and Iraq have witnessed, he might refrain from such bellicose language.

Hopefully, cooler heads in the Administration will prevail, however, a more peaceful world is unlikely with the likes of Donald J. Trump at the command of the greatest destructive force in human history.

References:

*Tyler Durden, “President Trump Warns Ominously: ‘It’s the Calm Before the Storm.’” Zero Hedge. 6 October 2017.
**Tyler Durden, “Trump Hints at War With North Korea: ‘Sorry, But Only One Thing Will Work.’” Zerohedge, 7 October 2017.
***Alexander, “General Asapov Died Because as a Russian Officer He Led From the Front.” Russia Feed. 30 September 2017.
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Re: Less than two months...

Postby Elizabeth » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:04 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol: . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:
Silver wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:23 pm
I win. I always win.
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